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OCD and sleep anxiety
  1. #1
    George Prager Guest

    Default OCD and sleep anxiety

    I suffer from a fairly stubborn case of OCD (no compulsions, obsessive
    thinking only) The other night, I woke up to go to the bathroom, then
    back to bed (3am), pleasantly sleepy and ready to continue my peaceful
    slumber. As I was drifting off, suddenly the thought came to me: "you
    won't be able to fall asleep" - this kind of thought comes as a flash
    and jolts you awake. No amount of tossing and turning helped. Every
    time I'd start drifitng off, the inner censor woke me up. I got up,
    spent some time on the computer, then finally popped a Xanax at 6am and
    managed another hour and a half. The situation pretty much repeated
    itself last night and now I'm stuck in the middle of an OCD/anxiety
    pattern: I think about not being able to sleep all day and, of course,
    at night it's just an immediate self-fullfilling profecy. The thing is
    that I *am* sleepy and tired but the moment I start dozing off, the OCD
    gremlin rears his ugly head ("Thou shall not sleep") and any sleepy
    feeling is gone.

    This is nothing new to my life but I haven't had any sleep problems in
    a couple of decades and not sure how to break this cycle or how to deal
    with it. I do have a Xanax prescritption and have been taking it for
    general anxiety with some success but I do not want to up my dose if at
    all possible.

    Finally, I am male, 53 years old and in good health generally - not
    overweight, non-smoker, healthy eater and get enough exercise (walk the
    dog at least two hours daily)

    Your input into this crazy situation is appreciated. Especially eager
    to hear from someone who battles similar self-defeating OCD problems as
    related to sleep

    Thanks
    George


  2. #2
    Andy Guest

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    Hey George

    The ABCD CBT model might help you. It works like this. A is the Activating
    thought, B is the Belief, C is the Consequence, D is Disputing the faulty
    belief with things you know. This model can be used for any faulty thinking.

    so...

    A, The Activating thought is thinking about sleep.
    B, The Belief is I won't be able to sleep.
    C, The Consequence is you cant sleep.
    D, Disputing the belief... Think to yourself all the positives like... "you
    have had no problems in sleeping in the past, so YOU WILL be able to sleep
    now".

    If you are interested in more CBT check out http://moodgym.anu.edu.au/

    While on the topic of sleep.. I quit drinking and cigarettes about 3 months
    ago.. I used to sleep 10 hours a night. Now I only get 5-6 hours sleep at
    the most. Also most ppl say that as they get older they need less sleep. You
    might be reaching a point in your life when you need less sleep.

    Also I always keep Valerian, and sleeping tables by my bed for the nights I
    cant sleep. The Valerian is a little help at a 2000mg does. Restavit you can
    buy over the counter, 2 of them usually work ok. And for the nights the
    other staff have failed I have some prescription Stilnox, 1 or 2 of them
    work very well.

    Hope this info helps.

    --
    Regards.

    Andy.

    Its All About The Blood, The Sweat, The Tears,
    A Tribute To The Strength Built Through The Years.
    - Machine Head.







    "George Prager" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] ups.com...
    >I suffer from a fairly stubborn case of OCD (no compulsions, obsessive
    > thinking only) The other night, I woke up to go to the bathroom, then
    > back to bed (3am), pleasantly sleepy and ready to continue my peaceful
    > slumber. As I was drifting off, suddenly the thought came to me: "you
    > won't be able to fall asleep" - this kind of thought comes as a flash
    > and jolts you awake. No amount of tossing and turning helped. Every
    > time I'd start drifitng off, the inner censor woke me up. I got up,
    > spent some time on the computer, then finally popped a Xanax at 6am and
    > managed another hour and a half. The situation pretty much repeated
    > itself last night and now I'm stuck in the middle of an OCD/anxiety
    > pattern: I think about not being able to sleep all day and, of course,
    > at night it's just an immediate self-fullfilling profecy. The thing is
    > that I *am* sleepy and tired but the moment I start dozing off, the OCD
    > gremlin rears his ugly head ("Thou shall not sleep") and any sleepy
    > feeling is gone.
    >
    > This is nothing new to my life but I haven't had any sleep problems in
    > a couple of decades and not sure how to break this cycle or how to deal
    > with it. I do have a Xanax prescritption and have been taking it for
    > general anxiety with some success but I do not want to up my dose if at
    > all possible.
    >
    > Finally, I am male, 53 years old and in good health generally - not
    > overweight, non-smoker, healthy eater and get enough exercise (walk the
    > dog at least two hours daily)
    >
    > Your input into this crazy situation is appreciated. Especially eager
    > to hear from someone who battles similar self-defeating OCD problems as
    > related to sleep
    >
    > Thanks
    > George
    >




  3. #3
    AlleyCat Guest

    Default Re: OCD and sleep anxiety

    In article <cVy_g.50881$[email protected]>, "Andy"
    <andy@"ask_me_nice_and_ill_tell_you".net.au> says...
    > The Valerian is a little help at a 2000mg does.
    >


    Do you mean 200mg.? My tablets are 100mg. each and the dosage is 2
    tablets. Thanks.

    Al

  4. #4
    Andy Guest

    Default Re: OCD and sleep anxiety

    Nup. definitely 2000mg or 2grams. That's 2 of the extra strong 1000mg
    tablets. When I stoped drinking and smoking I went through a few weeks that
    nothing would put me to sleep, not even when I took 2 valerian, 2 x
    Restavit, and 2 x Stilnox. I'd be awake till 4:30am, and up at 8am

    --
    Regards.

    Andy.

    "AlleyCat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > In article <cVy_g.50881$[email protected]>, "Andy"
    > <andy@"ask_me_nice_and_ill_tell_you".net.au> says...
    >> The Valerian is a little help at a 2000mg does.
    >>

    >
    > Do you mean 200mg.? My tablets are 100mg. each and the dosage is 2
    > tablets. Thanks.
    >
    > Al




  5. #5
    ~tanya Guest

    Default Re: OCD and sleep anxiety


    Andy wrote:
    > Hey George
    >
    > The ABCD CBT model might help you. It works like this. A is the Activating
    > thought, B is the Belief, C is the Consequence, D is Disputing the faulty
    > belief with things you know. This model can be used for any faulty thinking.
    >
    > so...
    >
    > A, The Activating thought is thinking about sleep.
    > B, The Belief is I won't be able to sleep.
    > C, The Consequence is you cant sleep.
    > D, Disputing the belief... Think to yourself all the positives like... "you
    > have had no problems in sleeping in the past, so YOU WILL be able to sleep
    > now".


    oh brother. are you'ah motivational speaker or sumthin? how bout sum
    REALITY based solution suggestions????

    .... like getta cute chick ta rub yer back and ::gulp:: .... now THAT
    kinda **** WORKS !

    KISS

    Keep
    It
    Simple
    Stupid

    ::shakin' head::

    > You
    > might be reaching a point in your life when you need less sleep.


    oh great. now George'll NEVER be able ta sleep cuz he's gonna worry
    about droppin' over dead from old age.

    >I always keep Valerian, and sleeping tables by my bed for the nights I
    > cant sleep. The Valerian is a little help at a 2000mg does. Restavit you can
    > buy over the counter, 2 of them usually work ok. And for the nights the
    > other staff have failed I have some prescription Stilnox, 1 or 2 of them
    > work very well.


    or try'ah couplah cocktails or 9.

    ~t


  6. #6
    ~tanya Guest

    Default Re: OCD and sleep anxiety


    Andy wrote:
    > Nup. definitely 2000mg or 2grams. That's 2 of the extra strong 1000mg
    > tablets. When I stoped drinking and smoking I went through a few weeks that
    > nothing would put me to sleep, not even when I took 2 valerian, 2 x
    > Restavit, and 2 x Stilnox. I'd be awake till 4:30am, and up at 8am


    translation: booze and cigarettes is gateway drugs for OTC med abuse.

    HOOOO hahhhhhh.

    ~t


  7. #7
    Sleepless Guest

    Default Re: OCD and sleep anxiety


    "George Prager" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] ups.com...
    >I suffer from a fairly stubborn case of OCD (no compulsions, obsessive
    > thinking only) The other night, I woke up to go to the bathroom, then
    > back to bed (3am), pleasantly sleepy and ready to continue my peaceful
    > slumber. As I was drifting off, suddenly the thought came to me: "you
    > won't be able to fall asleep" - this kind of thought comes as a flash
    > and jolts you awake. No amount of tossing and turning helped. Every
    > time I'd start drifitng off, the inner censor woke me up. I got up,
    > spent some time on the computer, then finally popped a Xanax at 6am and
    > managed another hour and a half. The situation pretty much repeated
    > itself last night and now I'm stuck in the middle of an OCD/anxiety
    > pattern: I think about not being able to sleep all day and, of course,
    > at night it's just an immediate self-fullfilling profecy. The thing is
    > that I *am* sleepy and tired but the moment I start dozing off, the OCD
    > gremlin rears his ugly head ("Thou shall not sleep") and any sleepy
    > feeling is gone.
    >
    > This is nothing new to my life but I haven't had any sleep problems in
    > a couple of decades and not sure how to break this cycle or how to deal
    > with it. I do have a Xanax prescritption and have been taking it for
    > general anxiety with some success but I do not want to up my dose if at
    > all possible.
    >
    > Finally, I am male, 53 years old and in good health generally - not
    > overweight, non-smoker, healthy eater and get enough exercise (walk the
    > dog at least two hours daily)
    >
    > Your input into this crazy situation is appreciated. Especially eager
    > to hear from someone who battles similar self-defeating OCD problems as
    > related to sleep
    >
    > Thanks
    > George


    I could have written this because I go through the same thing. As soon as I
    start to fall asleep that inner voice yells "Wake up!". It doesn't happen
    every night but it does happen more often than not. Unfortunately the only
    thing that helps me is Xanax taken at bedtime. I know it's not supposed to
    be used for that though and I even short myself the needed X during the day
    so I'll have enough during the month to take at bedtime instead. It's the
    only thing that quiets my mind and shuts off that voice.



    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


  8. #8
    George Prager Guest

    Default Re: OCD and sleep anxiety

    thanks for all the replies. I think there is too much "should" and
    "shouldn't" when it comes to Xanax and other benzos. I'd rather take it
    and get some peace and sleep than walk through my days like a zombie
    but proud about not taking meds. I believe in taking whatever helps -
    short of abusing it. In other words, if you find yourself increasing
    the dosage - that's a red flag. But if you take a pill occasionally, or
    even frequently, so be it!

    I slept quite a bit better last night. Now that another evening is upon
    us, anxiety is beginning to creep up on me but I'll be fine.

    Thanks again for your input (now I have to start working on that lithe
    chick giving me a backrub - without my wife noticing :-)

    George


  9. #9
    ~tanya Guest

    Default Re: OCD and sleep anxiety


    George Prager wrote:
    > I think there is too much "should" and
    > "shouldn't" when it comes to Xanax and other benzos. I'd rather take it
    > and get some peace and sleep than walk through my days like a zombie
    > but proud about not taking meds. I believe in taking whatever helps -
    > short of abusing it. In other words, if you find yourself increasing
    > the dosage - that's a red flag. But if you take a pill occasionally, or
    > even frequently, so be it!


    HOLY COW TURDS, I COULDN'T'AH SAID IT BETTAH MUHSELF !

    :oppinahcouplahblueznproud::

    >
    > I slept quite a bit better last night. Now that another evening is upon
    > us, anxiety is beginning to creep up on me but I'll be fine.
    >
    > Thanks again for your input (now I have to start working on that lithe
    > chick giving me a backrub - without my wife noticing :-)


    ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

    if i wuz only lithes.... i betcha i could sneak in without yer wife
    noticin'...

    (i am real quiet'n demure'n stuff)

    AND DANGED SENSUAL, i might add, YA HEAH ???!!!!???

    repeat after me:

    I LOVE ANXIETY AND I SWEAR AFORE GOD I'LL NEVER SLEEP AGIN !!!

    (agin)

    (agin)

    (agin)

    yer gettin' sweeeeeeeeeepy.....

    per klunk.

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

    ~t


  10. #10
    Andy Guest

    Default Re: OCD and sleep anxiety

    SHUT THE **** UP.. IM SICK OF YOUR ****.


    "~tanya" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] oups.com...
    >
    > Andy wrote:
    >> Hey George
    >>
    >> The ABCD CBT model might help you. It works like this. A is the
    >> Activating
    >> thought, B is the Belief, C is the Consequence, D is Disputing the faulty
    >> belief with things you know. This model can be used for any faulty
    >> thinking.
    >>
    >> so...
    >>
    >> A, The Activating thought is thinking about sleep.
    >> B, The Belief is I won't be able to sleep.
    >> C, The Consequence is you cant sleep.
    >> D, Disputing the belief... Think to yourself all the positives like...
    >> "you
    >> have had no problems in sleeping in the past, so YOU WILL be able to
    >> sleep
    >> now".

    >
    > oh brother. are you'ah motivational speaker or sumthin? how bout sum
    > REALITY based solution suggestions????
    >
    > ... like getta cute chick ta rub yer back and ::gulp:: .... now THAT
    > kinda **** WORKS !
    >
    > KISS
    >
    > Keep
    > It
    > Simple
    > Stupid
    >
    > ::shakin' head::
    >
    >> You
    >> might be reaching a point in your life when you need less sleep.

    >
    > oh great. now George'll NEVER be able ta sleep cuz he's gonna worry
    > about droppin' over dead from old age.
    >
    >>I always keep Valerian, and sleeping tables by my bed for the nights I
    >> cant sleep. The Valerian is a little help at a 2000mg does. Restavit you
    >> can
    >> buy over the counter, 2 of them usually work ok. And for the nights the
    >> other staff have failed I have some prescription Stilnox, 1 or 2 of them
    >> work very well.

    >
    > or try'ah couplah cocktails or 9.
    >
    > ~t
    >




  11. #11
    ~tanya Guest

    Default Re: OCD and sleep anxiety


    Andy wrote:
    > SHUT THE **** UP.. IM SICK OF YOUR ****.


    i couldn't have said it more effectively muhself.

    LESSEEEEEEEE how well it works for ya... wanna?

    yer makin' me HOT HOT HOT !!!!!!!!!!

    spank me, DADDY ! i've been'ah BAD GURL !

    ::shivers, puddles'n quakes::

    odg
    odg
    odggggggg

    it's TRUE what they say !!!!!!!!!!

    CLEAN UP ON FORUM AISLE 3 !!!!!!!!!!

    INDUSTRIAL MOP, BOYS !!!!!!!!

    LAWD have mercy....

    ..
    ..
    ..
    ..... was't good fer you, DADDY?

    wowie zowie........

    ::slurp::

    <sweet, shy, demure, ::evil:: grin>

    (workin' quite well, doncha think?) ::skippin' away with'ah whimsical
    twinkle in muh teary brown eyes:

    ~tanya (yer one'n only)


  12. #12
    Marie Guest

    Default Re: OCD and sleep anxiety

    George Prager wrote:

    > I suffer from a fairly stubborn case of OCD (no compulsions, obsessive
    > thinking only) The other night, I woke up to go to the bathroom, then
    > back to bed (3am), pleasantly sleepy and ready to continue my peaceful
    > slumber. As I was drifting off, suddenly the thought came to me: "you
    > won't be able to fall asleep" - this kind of thought comes as a flash
    > and jolts you awake.


    I have this too, George. I have OCD/Depression with lots of compulsions
    too. My sleep obsession started since last Septemebr. I had it during
    my college years too.

    >No amount of tossing and turning helped. Every
    > time I'd start drifitng off, the inner censor woke me up.


    I was doing this when I had my first bout of depression started last
    Sepetember...at the time once I drifted I was so excited that I would
    jolt myself awake. The insomnia started with the depression, then I
    became phobic about not sleeping.

    However, you may or may not have this one too: At nights, as I drift,
    sometimes my mind races so much that images flash through my mind. A
    few nights ago an image of a mere sofa pillow jolted me awake. All the
    other images didn't do that.

    >I got up,
    > spent some time on the computer, then finally popped a Xanax at 6am and
    > managed another hour and a half. The situation pretty much repeated
    > itself last night and now I'm stuck in the middle of an OCD/anxiety
    > pattern: I think about not being able to sleep all day and, of course,
    > at night it's just an immediate self-fullfilling profecy. The thing is
    > that I *am* sleepy and tired but the moment I start dozing off, the OCD
    > gremlin rears his ugly head ("Thou shall not sleep") and any sleepy
    > feeling is gone.


    I have gone through that, even with sleep meds. I still have that
    obsession. My sister gets it too, but she doesn't have OCD. Not
    everyone with an insomnia phobia has OCD.

    > This is nothing new to my life but I haven't had any sleep problems in
    > a couple of decades and not sure how to break this cycle or how to deal
    > with it. I do have a Xanax prescritption and have been taking it for
    > general anxiety with some success but I do not want to up my dose if at
    > all possible.


    I took Klonopin for the insomnia phobia and the sedating effects for
    after a week or so.
    Like you, I was keeping myself awake.

    > Your input into this crazy situation is appreciated. Especially eager
    > to hear from someone who battles similar self-defeating OCD problems as
    > related to sleep


    Well, we both have the same thing. I take Seroquel at night, a horse
    tranquilizer used as an adjunct to an antidepressant for folks woth
    severe OCD. Seroquel supposedly has a low dependency profile, unlike
    the benzos. Seroquel by itself aggarvated my depression, but with an
    SSRI for OCD/Depression (Zoloft in this case), I now sleep 7-8 hours
    since last February.

    My sleep phobia is still in my mind every night, believe it or not. The
    Seroquel eventually makes my mind stop ruminating and I no longer wake
    up in the middle of the night.
    BTW, after college I had the thought every night, but without the
    anxiety, for about eight years or so. It left because I became
    anxiety-free through natural means at that time.
    I let the thought drift, but I was not hyperaroused physically, so the
    connection between sleep and fear eventually left.

    I wouldn't say you have OCD per se, but only a doctor can say. You
    sound like you have a situational phobia IMO..


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