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Old 12-22-2006, 05:12 PM
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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Frank wrote:
> There has been an apostasy
> from the truth of the gospel
> just as the Scriptures foretold
> would occur just before
> the return of Jesus Christ.
> Much of what is presented
> as the gospel today
> is not the Scriptural salvation
> as made clear by
> the Protestant Reformers.
> We are saved by TRUSTING
> in ONLY JESUS CHRIST
> for our salvation.
>
> --
> http://roines.home.mindspring.com


For evidence of this, simply witness the behavior of those who have
been convicted by the Holy Spirit:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear brother
Frank whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

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Old 12-22-2006, 05:13 PM
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <snip chung dung>

We often here these xian phoneys expounding about religion and America.

Here's an insight into how the founders looked at things:

George Washington asked in a March 24, 1784, letter to his aide Tench
Tilghman that some craftsmen be hired for him: "If they are good workmen,
they may be of Assia, [sic] Africa, or Europe. They may be Mahometans,
[Muslims] Jews, or Christian of any Sect - or they may be Atheists ..."


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Old 12-22-2006, 05:13 PM
Kurt Gavin
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love11<snip chung dung>

Ben Franklin, the founding father of many important institutions in
Philadelphia, a key diplomat and a framer of the US Constitution, wrote in
his Autobiography concerning a non-denominational place of public preaching
he helped found "so that even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to send a
missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at his
service." Here is the whole quote:


'And it being found inconvenient to assemble in the open air, subject to
its inclemencies, the building of a house to meet in was no sooner propos'd,
and persons appointed to receive contributions, but sufficient sums were
soon receiv'd to procure the ground and erect the building, which was one
hundred feet long and seventy broad, about the size of Westminster Hall; and
the work was carried on with such spirit as to be finished in a much shorter
time than could have been expected. Both house and ground were vested in
trustees, expressly for the use of any preacher of any religious persuasion
who might desire to say something to the people at Philadelphia; the design
in building not being to accommodate any particular sect, but the
inhabitants in general; so that even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to
send a missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at
his service. '


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Old 12-22-2006, 05:13 PM
Kurt Gavin
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Default Thomas Jefferson on religious opinions

Thomas Jefferson wrote in his 1777 Draft of a
Bill for Religious Freedom:

' that our civil rights have no dependance on our religious opinions, any
more than our opinions in physics or geometry; that therefore the
proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him
an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he
profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him
injuriously of those privileges and advantages to which, in common with his
fellow citizens, he has a natural right . . . '



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Old 12-22-2006, 05:13 PM
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Default USA is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion

The US Senate, full of founding fathers, and the Adams government, approved
the Treaty with Libya of 1797, which included this language:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense
founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of
enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the
said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any
Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from
religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony
existing between the two countries."


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Old 12-22-2006, 05:13 PM
Kurt Gavin
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Default Xmas is mish-mash of pagan traditions

http://www.geocities.com/sisteroffortune/Saturnalia.htm

Its seems that no one really ever gives a thought to the idea of the date
December twenty-fifth as the day of Christmas. If you look at our evidence
as to Christ's birth you will read from the bible, " And there where in the
same country shepherds abiding in a field, keeping watch over their flock by
night," In the dead of winter seems most unlikely.

That the date actually goes back to Rome with a festival called Saturnalia.
It was a time of revelry, celebration, eating and drinking. It was at once a
solstice observance and a harvest festival. On the Julian calendar it was
proclaimed in 46 c.e., that the Saturnalia would fall on December twenty-
fifth.

The early Christians found a birthday celebration of a religious figure
strange or blasphemous. The only people who celebrated birthdays were the
pagans in Rome. Holidays where declared for the birthday of Ceasars and for
the gods. Gift giving at a birthday is a wholly pagan concept and the early
church banned it. Slowly the idea of giving alms to the poor and to the
church for Christ birth is mentioned in the tenth century. By the eleventh
century, families privately gave a token to their servants and expected
nothing from them

We know that as Rome became a Christian empire, it sent that religion to the
corners of its holdings. Throughout the Middle Ages, there was an adaptation
of pagan festivals into the Christian calendar. The pagan people have always
celebrated Solstice in late December as a renewal of kingship, vegetation,
the year and the world. Many of those cultures contain a story of the god
waxing and waning. The newly christianized Pagans' adaptation of this
holiday was a short leap to the celebration of the birth of Christ who rose
from the dead.

Now let's look at that word Yule. The Scandinavian word Yule (Danish Jul)
long ago came to mean Christmas. It is argued that it may have come from the
Anglo-Saxon word hweol, or "wheel", referring perhaps to the solstices. The
early Germanic people called their chief deity Yolnir. In time he lent his
name to their New Year's festival. In Old Norse tradition it was called Jol;
as in old English Geol and the name is familiar to us as Yule a twelve-night
festival. This event had begun, as a new year's festival and only later
became associated with the solstice. Over the centuries, Yolnir was renamed
Woden and later Odin. The old Germanic people viewed him as the "all
father", as one of the creators of the world.


As for the Yule log, it is an ancient custom. The Germanic peoples marked
their seasonal festivals with fires, dancing, and sacrifices. The fires of
the winter Solstice were thought to promote the return of the sun, to burn
away the accumulated misdeeds of the communities, and to ward off evil
sprits. The tradition of burning a special log (the Yule log) on Christmas
Eve was practiced throughout Europe, from Scandinavia to Italy. In parts of
Germany it was custom to place a large block of wood on the fire and to take
it out before it was consumed and preserving it until the next year. The
Yule log burning, its pagan connotations lost an 11th century Knight Sir
Belvedere is recorded as saying, with his cup raised in King Stevens's court
"This Yule log burns. It destroys all old hatreds and misunderstandings."

Despite Christianity's adaptation and absorption of the feasts, symbols, and
customs of the pagan past, the evergreens were still perceived as taboo for
the early church elders. In 575 AD, church laws forbade the custom of
garlanding houses with the laurel greenery. Records from the 15th century
writers in Italy and Germany note the use of hanging flowers, branches, and
garlands of fir. The eight-century English missionary St. Boniface, also
known as Wynfrith of Crediton, took the gospel to these Germanic druids. His
tale is that one Christmas Eve he cut down the people's sacrificial oak. In
its place a young fir tree instantly sprang up. By this miracle the pagans
were converted.

The boar's head was more symbolic than a feast dish. Presented on a board by
two men and a page holding the bloody sword that killed it, it was said
Satan ran amuck as a wild boar and the head on a platter symbolized Christ's
supremacy. In actuality, it's a Norse custom of killing a boar in the dead
of winter and presenting it to Freya, the head sent to her with an apple to
insure fertility.

A tenth century Viking legend references the custom of celebrating mother's
night when the earth mother made visitations to her people. Descriptions of
her vary as her arriving as a hag requesting shelter and when invited in
turning into the beautiful Frea in jewels and furs bringing a feast. It is
said you could identify her by her jeweled stick with holly ivy and
mistletoe, two symbols now closely associated with Christmas.

A strange correlation to all of this is in the Norse religion. Oden was the
oldest and wisest of the gods. He had a long white beard and on one night,
the twenty first of December or solstice, he would lead a hunt from his
white horse to seek out evil doers. The howling wind was said to be the
shriek of bad children he took! People would leave out grain for his horse
and food for the spirits. Santa could be a Viking god in disguise? Don't
tell your Christian friends.



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Old 12-22-2006, 10:12 PM
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Kurt Gavin wrote:
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love11<snip chung dung>
>
> Ben Franklin, the founding father of many important institutions in
> Philadelphia, a key diplomat and a framer of the US Constitution, wrote in
> his Autobiography concerning a non-denominational place of public preaching
> he helped found "so that even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to send a
> missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at his
> service." Here is the whole quote:
>
>
> 'And it being found inconvenient to assemble in the open air, subject to
> its inclemencies, the building of a house to meet in was no sooner propos'd,
> and persons appointed to receive contributions, but sufficient sums were
> soon receiv'd to procure the ground and erect the building, which was one
> hundred feet long and seventy broad, about the size of Westminster Hall; and
> the work was carried on with such spirit as to be finished in a much shorter
> time than could have been expected. Both house and ground were vested in
> trustees, expressly for the use of any preacher of any religious persuasion
> who might desire to say something to the people at Philadelphia; the design
> in building not being to accommodate any particular sect, but the
> inhabitants in general; so that even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to
> send a missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at
> his service. '
>
>


Meltdown????

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Old 12-23-2006, 05:23 AM
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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Default Proof of GOD: The behavior of demons here on usenet.

Juan Valdez wrote:
> unnamed demon wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:


http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...9f72abe5705dc?

> > Ben Franklin, the founding father of many important institutions in
> > Philadelphia, a key diplomat and a framer of the US Constitution, wrote in
> > his Autobiography concerning a non-denominational place of public preaching
> > he helped found "so that even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to send a
> > missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at his
> > service." Here is the whole quote:
> >
> > 'And it being found inconvenient to assemble in the open air, subject to
> > its inclemencies, the building of a house to meet in was no sooner propos'd,
> > and persons appointed to receive contributions, but sufficient sums were
> > soon receiv'd to procure the ground and erect the building, which was one
> > hundred feet long and seventy broad, about the size of Westminster Hall; and
> > the work was carried on with such spirit as to be finished in a much shorter
> > time than could have been expected. Both house and ground were vested in
> > trustees, expressly for the use of any preacher of any religious persuasion
> > who might desire to say something to the people at Philadelphia; the design
> > in building not being to accommodate any particular sect, but the
> > inhabitants in general; so that even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to
> > send a missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at
> > his service. '

>
> Meltdown????


Yes.

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear Juan
whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

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Old 12-23-2006, 05:23 AM
Kurt Gavin
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Default Re: Proof of GOD: The behavior of demons here on usenet.


"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love3@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1166833949.122022.99540@i12g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Juan Valdez wrote:
>> unnamed demon wrote:
>> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...9f72abe5705dc?
>
>> > Ben Franklin, the founding father of many important institutions in
>> > Philadelphia, a key diplomat and a framer of the US Constitution, wrote
>> > in
>> > his Autobiography concerning a non-denominational place of public
>> > preaching
>> > he helped found "so that even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to
>> > send a
>> > missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at his
>> > service." Here is the whole quote:
>> >
>> > 'And it being found inconvenient to assemble in the open air, subject
>> > to
>> > its inclemencies, the building of a house to meet in was no sooner
>> > propos'd,
>> > and persons appointed to receive contributions, but sufficient sums
>> > were
>> > soon receiv'd to procure the ground and erect the building, which was
>> > one
>> > hundred feet long and seventy broad, about the size of Westminster
>> > Hall; and
>> > the work was carried on with such spirit as to be finished in a much
>> > shorter
>> > time than could have been expected. Both house and ground were vested
>> > in
>> > trustees, expressly for the use of any preacher of any religious
>> > persuasion
>> > who might desire to say something to the people at Philadelphia; the
>> > design
>> > in building not being to accommodate any particular sect, but the
>> > inhabitants in general; so that even if the Mufti of Constantinople
>> > were to
>> > send a missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit
>> > at
>> > his service. '

>>
>> Meltdown????

>
> Yes.


No, moron, the opinion of a founding father and a great man.

You're going to get wrecked with this idiotic diet plan guarantee.

S N I P chung dung


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