So-so first visit with p-doc

[Vickie]

I had my first visit with a new p-doc.
He seems okay. I didn't really "click" with him, but I am beginning
to think I have unrealistic expectations with any psychiatrist.

We ended the session deciding to do 3 days of 50mgs (down from 100mgs)
Zoloft and then starting 40mgs Citalopram.

I wanted Escitalopram (Lexapro) but he hedged, saying something about
insurance, patents, blah blah.
I didn't feel comfortable with his answer in denying me it.

So....
Can someone explain, if you have any idea, what he was talking about.

Also, does anyone have experience with Celexa?

Again, I know everyone's system is different, but I am so nervous I
would just like any kind of info on Celexa I can get.

Thanks to those who can respond.

Vickie

[Gigglz]

Hi Vickie,

Psychs are all weird, if you ask me. :-) I've never clicked with one
of 'em!!

Celexa is the sister drug to Lexapro. Lexapro being the 'new and
improved' version...so to speak. Insurance companies often don't
cover Lexapro, because there is no generic version of Lexapro as of
yet. A doctor will have to over-ride the insurance company to get it
covered, and that's more work for them. Gee, as if they don't make
enough money for their time. But when you think about it, WHY are
****ing INSURANCE companies telling the DOCTOR what they can and can't
prescribe for their patients? Another topic for another 24 hour
timeframe!!! I've taken Celexa before, and I'm on Lexapro now. They
tell you that Lexapro has less side effects. I don't know if that's
true or not...because I didn't really have much with either. Just the
annoying initial side effects that go away after a few weeks. I found
them both to be different than Zoloft in a GOOD way, so good for you!

Let me know if I can be of any help.

Hugs,
Gigglz ([email protected])



On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:28:41 -0800 (PST), Vickie
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I had my first visit with a new p-doc.
>He seems okay. I didn't really "click" with him, but I am beginning
>to think I have unrealistic expectations with any psychiatrist.
>
>We ended the session deciding to do 3 days of 50mgs (down from 100mgs)
>Zoloft and then starting 40mgs Citalopram.
>
>I wanted Escitalopram (Lexapro) but he hedged, saying something about
>insurance, patents, blah blah.
>I didn't feel comfortable with his answer in denying me it.
>
>So....
>Can someone explain, if you have any idea, what he was talking about.
>
>Also, does anyone have experience with Celexa?
>
>Again, I know everyone's system is different, but I am so nervous I
>would just like any kind of info on Celexa I can get.
>
>Thanks to those who can respond.
>
>Vickie

[~*LiveLoveLaugh*~]

"Vickie" wrote in message
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I had my first visit with a new p-doc.
He seems okay. I didn't really "click" with him, but I am beginning
to think I have unrealistic expectations with any psychiatrist.

We ended the session deciding to do 3 days of 50mgs (down from 100mgs)
Zoloft and then starting 40mgs Citalopram.

I wanted Escitalopram (Lexapro) but he hedged, saying something about
insurance, patents, blah blah.
I didn't feel comfortable with his answer in denying me it.

So....
Can someone explain, if you have any idea, what he was talking about.

Also, does anyone have experience with Celexa?

Again, I know everyone's system is different, but I am so nervous I
would just like any kind of info on Celexa I can get.

Thanks to those who can respond.

------

Hey Vickie,

I can't give you advice on the meds, but I read what Giggz said and that is
sound advice. As far as not 'clicking' with the new doc, let me tell you
something someone said to me. "If you're going to try something new, give
it at least three times before you decide if you like it". Earlier this
year, I saw a new therapist and it was the same for me. We didn't click.
But I kept on seeing her, and it turned out to be an okay patient/doc
relationship. She wasn't "my type", but she helped me. I am in a new
program to where I have a new therapist, new nurse practitioner and a new
p-doc. So far I've met my therapist and met the new nurse prac. yesterday.
I love him. Very nice guy. But my therapist is YOUNG. Late 20's young.
Today will be my 2nd time seeing her, so I'm not judging anything yet. What
I will say is I lost my Basset Hound last week (had to put him down), and
the therapist was WONDERFUL over the phone. I was afraid she'd make me come
in so we could sort out my feelings and grief, but she let me cancel my
appt. so I could stay home and grieve like I wanted (NEEDED) to do.

So give this one some time. You don't have anything to lose (at this
point), and he may just be someone who can help you.

I wish you well!!


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Laurie
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*~*LiveLoveLaugh*~*

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~Abraham Lincoln


Vickie

[Vickie]

On Nov 9, 5:55*am, Gigglz <nut...@nuthin.com> wrote:
> Hi Vickie,
>
> Psychs are all weird, if you ask me. :-) I've never clicked with one
> of 'em!!

Totally feel the same.
Guess I was just hoping for something better this time.

>
> Celexa is the sister drug to Lexapro. *Lexapro being the 'new and
> improved' version...so to speak. *Insurance companies often don't
> cover Lexapro, because there is no generic version of Lexapro as of
> yet. *A doctor will have to over-ride the insurance company to get it
> covered, and that's more work for them. *Gee, as if they don't make
> enough money for their time. *But when you think about it, WHY are
> ****ing INSURANCE companies telling the DOCTOR what they can and can't
> prescribe for their patients? *Another topic for another 24 hour
> timeframe!!! *I've taken Celexa before, and I'm on Lexapro now. *They
> tell you that Lexapro has less side effects. *I don't know if that's
> true or not...because I didn't really have much with either. *Just the
> annoying initial side effects that go away after a few weeks. *I found
> them both to be different than Zoloft in a GOOD way, so good for you!

Okay. I feel a bit better about the Celexa.
Thanks for that.
But I do find it unfair to deny someone a "new and improved" med. We
are not talking about fabric softeners here. Shouldn't everyone get
the opportunity to get the very best available?
My coverage isn't the top of the line, but it is pretty darn good.
Why not see what I might get?
If it is a major trial and would be a hardship for every refill, then
we can decide to go for the other option.

Needless to say, it was a bit of a turnoff....among some other things
in the session.

But enough of that. It is going to turn out fine. I will stay
positive!

Again, I can't thank you enough for your response, and I *will* let
you know if I need [more] help.

Vickie

>
> Let me know if I can be of any help.
>
> Hugs,
> Gigglz (frek...@hotmail.com)
>
> On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:28:41 -0800 (PST), Vickie
>
>
>
> <lilliputianbizz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I had my first visit with a new p-doc.
> >He seems okay. *I didn't really "click" with him, but I am beginning
> >to think I have unrealistic expectations with any psychiatrist.
>
> >We ended the session deciding to do 3 days of 50mgs (down from 100mgs)
> >Zoloft and then starting 40mgs Citalopram.
>
> >I wanted Escitalopram (Lexapro) but he hedged, saying something about
> >insurance, patents, blah blah.
> >I didn't feel comfortable with his answer in denying me it.
>
> >So....
> >Can someone explain, if you have any idea, what he was talking about.
>
> >Also, does anyone have experience with Celexa?
>
> >Again, I know everyone's system is different, but I am so nervous I
> >would just like any kind of info on Celexa I can get.
>
> >Thanks to those who can respond.
>
> >Vickie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Vickie]

On Nov 9, 6:35*am, "~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" <nobodyh...@this.house> wrote:
> "Vickie" *wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]..
>
> I had my first visit with a new p-doc.
> He seems okay. *I didn't really "click" with him, but I am beginning
> to think I have unrealistic expectations with any psychiatrist.
>
> We ended the session deciding to do 3 days of 50mgs (down from 100mgs)
> Zoloft and then starting 40mgs Citalopram.
>
> I wanted Escitalopram (Lexapro) but he hedged, saying something about
> insurance, patents, blah blah.
> I didn't feel comfortable with his answer in denying me it.
>
> So....
> Can someone explain, if you have any idea, what he was talking about.
>
> Also, does anyone have experience with Celexa?
>
> Again, I know everyone's system is different, but I am so nervous I
> would just like any kind of info on Celexa I can get.
>
> Thanks to those who can respond.
>
> ------
>
> Hey Vickie,
>
> I can't give you advice on the meds, but I read what Giggz said and that is
> sound advice. *As far as not 'clicking' with the new doc, let me tell you
> something someone said to me. *"If you're going to try something new, give
> it at least three times before you decide if you like it". *Earlier this
> year, I saw a new therapist and it was the same for me. *We didn't click.
> But I kept on seeing her, and it turned out to be an okay patient/doc
> relationship. *She wasn't "my type", but she helped me. *I am in a new
> program to where I have a new therapist, new nurse practitioner and a new
> p-doc. *So far I've met my therapist and met the new nurse prac. yesterday.
> I love him. *Very nice guy. *But my therapist is YOUNG. *Late 20's young.
> Today will be my 2nd time seeing her, so I'm not judging anything yet. *What
> I will say is I lost my Basset Hound last week (had to put him down), and
> the therapist was WONDERFUL over the phone. *I was afraid she'd make mecome
> in so we could sort out my feelings and grief, but she let me cancel my
> appt. so I could stay home and grieve like I wanted (NEEDED) to do.
>
> So give this one some time. *You don't have anything to lose (at this
> point), and he may just be someone who can help you.
>
> I wish you well!!
>

Thanks Lauri.
You're right. I need to give him more of a chance and I will. Just
that sometimes I will go too long with someone who isn't working for
me and have such a hard time telling them it is *not* working.

In any case, I need to give him a fair shot. It's always awkward the
first time around anyway.
For me, at least.

So sorry to hear about your pup. It sounds like your therapist is
willing to work with your needs, so that is good.

Best for you and the new program. :-)

Vickie

[Gigglz]

On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:43:29 -0800 (PST), Vickie
>On Nov 9, 5:55*am, Gigglz <nut...@nuthin.com> wrote:
>> Hi Vickie,
>>
>> Psychs are all weird, if you ask me. :-) I've never clicked with one
>> of 'em!!
>
>Totally feel the same.
>Guess I was just hoping for something better this time.

well nobody can stop us from "hoping", right? :-)


>> Celexa is the sister drug to Lexapro. *Lexapro being the 'new and
>> improved' version...so to speak. *Insurance companies often don't
>> cover Lexapro, because there is no generic version of Lexapro as of
>> yet. *A doctor will have to over-ride the insurance company to get it
>> covered, and that's more work for them. *Gee, as if they don't make
>> enough money for their time. *But when you think about it, WHY are
>> ****ing INSURANCE companies telling the DOCTOR what they can and can't
>> prescribe for their patients? *Another topic for another 24 hour
>> timeframe!!! *I've taken Celexa before, and I'm on Lexapro now. *They
>> tell you that Lexapro has less side effects. *I don't know if that's
>> true or not...because I didn't really have much with either. *Just the
>> annoying initial side effects that go away after a few weeks. *I found
>> them both to be different than Zoloft in a GOOD way, so good for you!
>
>Okay. I feel a bit better about the Celexa.
>Thanks for that.


i'm glad, sweetie :-) you are very welcome. i have a friend that
thanks god every day that he found celexa!! he said it keeps him
sane. i feel the same way about lexapro!


>But I do find it unfair to deny someone a "new and improved" med. We
>are not talking about fabric softeners here. Shouldn't everyone get
>the opportunity to get the very best available?


absolutely! it sucks. it's typical...insurance companies trying to
run our healthcare programs to save money for THEMSELVES. dirty
bastards!


>My coverage isn't the top of the line, but it is pretty darn good.
>Why not see what I might get?
>If it is a major trial and would be a hardship for every refill, then
>we can decide to go for the other option.


if you are in the States, it's not a big deal. the doctor just has to
override the insurance company. i know, because our doctor just did
it for my husband and he has done it MANY times for me.



>Needless to say, it was a bit of a turnoff....among some other things
>in the session.


i don't blame you one bit for being turned off. that jerk! :-(

>
>But enough of that. It is going to turn out fine. I will stay
>positive!


i'm sure it will be fine, but i know how you feel. staying positive
is the best thing that anyone can do for themself. i'm proud of you
:-)



>Again, I can't thank you enough for your response, and I *will* let
>you know if I need [more] help.
>
>Vickie


happy to help you, vickie. it's never a problem. take care. i hope
you are feeling back to yourself again soon!

hugs,
gigglz

[Philip Peters]

Op 9-11-2010 19:43, Vickie schreef:

> Okay. I feel a bit better about the Celexa.
> Thanks for that.
> But I do find it unfair to deny someone a "new and improved" med. We
> are not talking about fabric softeners here. Shouldn't everyone get
> the opportunity to get the very best available?


Yes, Vickie, of course.
But Lexapro can't be classified as an *improved version* of Celexa.
The manufacturer did introduce it as such but - Big Pharma is your best
friend ;-) - not because it was but because the patent on citalopram
(Celexa) had expired and a new expensive med would mean more $$$.
On the other hand there were some indicators that Lexapro *might* be the
improved version of Celexa because it's really the same formula but
where Celexa consisted of two *isomers* one of which didn't "do"
anything Lexparo lacked this isomer and the idea was that removing the
inactive isomer would make for fewer side effects and a more intensive
positive effect. In itself that was not an unreasonable thought.
But reality doesn't always behave according to theory and in clinical
practice it turned out that some people who d9d wel on Celexa didn't do
better on Lexapro (and vice versa!) so what they really had done was
manufacture another *me too med*, just another SSRI. But they
conveniently forgot to mention this...
SSRI's are no panacea, that much is now clear to everyone, doctors and
patients alike. But people that don't react well to one SSRI may respond
better to another one - the proof is in the pudding - so having one more
to choose from is in itself not a bad thing.
Try Celexa (*start low, go slow* is the golden rule) and it may well
work for you as it did for many others.

Philip



>
>>
>> Let me know if I can be of any help.
>>
>> Hugs,
>> Gigglz (frek...@hotmail.com)
>>
>> On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:28:41 -0800 (PST), Vickie
>>
>>
>>
>> <lilliputianbizz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I had my first visit with a new p-doc.
>>> He seems okay. I didn't really "click" with him, but I am beginning
>>> to think I have unrealistic expectations with any psychiatrist.
>>
>>> We ended the session deciding to do 3 days of 50mgs (down from 100mgs)
>>> Zoloft and then starting 40mgs Citalopram.
>>
>>> I wanted Escitalopram (Lexapro) but he hedged, saying something about
>>> insurance, patents, blah blah.
>>> I didn't feel comfortable with his answer in denying me it.
>>
>>> So....
>>> Can someone explain, if you have any idea, what he was talking about.
>>
>>> Also, does anyone have experience with Celexa?
>>
>>> Again, I know everyone's system is different, but I am so nervous I
>>> would just like any kind of info on Celexa I can get.
>>
>>> Thanks to those who can respond.
>>
>>> Vickie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>

[High Miles]

On 11/8/2010 9:28 PM, Vickie wrote:
> I had my first visit with a new p-doc.
> He seems okay. I didn't really "click" with him, but I am beginning
> to think I have unrealistic expectations with any psychiatrist.
>
> We ended the session deciding to do 3 days of 50mgs (down from 100mgs)
> Zoloft and then starting 40mgs Citalopram.
>
> I wanted Escitalopram (Lexapro) but he hedged, saying something about
> insurance, patents, blah blah.
> I didn't feel comfortable with his answer in denying me it.
>
> So....
> Can someone explain, if you have any idea, what he was talking about.
>
> Also, does anyone have experience with Celexa?
>
> Again, I know everyone's system is different, but I am so nervous I
> would just like any kind of info on Celexa I can get.
>
> Thanks to those who can respond.
>
> Vickie
http://www.drugs.com/celexa.html

Has the psychiatrist spent enough time listening to you, so that he
understands
why you feel so nervous ?

If you're presently obsessing about getting a drug that will give you
relief,
you may not be able to accurately judge your response / results.

Good luck in your quest.

Dorothy

[~*LiveLoveLaugh*~]

"High Miles" wrote in message
news:4cde1aed$0$14654$[email protected]..

On 11/8/2010 9:28 PM, Vickie wrote:
> I had my first visit with a new p-doc.
> He seems okay. I didn't really "click" with him, but I am beginning
> to think I have unrealistic expectations with any psychiatrist.
>
> We ended the session deciding to do 3 days of 50mgs (down from 100mgs)
> Zoloft and then starting 40mgs Citalopram.
>
> I wanted Escitalopram (Lexapro) but he hedged, saying something about
> insurance, patents, blah blah.
> I didn't feel comfortable with his answer in denying me it.
>
> So....
> Can someone explain, if you have any idea, what he was talking about.
>
> Also, does anyone have experience with Celexa?
>
> Again, I know everyone's system is different, but I am so nervous I
> would just like any kind of info on Celexa I can get.
>
> Thanks to those who can respond.
>
> Vickie
http://www.drugs.com/celexa.html

-----
Has the psychiatrist spent enough time listening to you, so that he
understands
why you feel so nervous ?

If you're presently obsessing about getting a drug that will give you
relief,
you may not be able to accurately judge your response / results.

Good luck in your quest.

Dorothy

----

Ummm... Vickie plainly stated that this was her FIRST visit with the new
p-doc. So I feel comfortable in saying that no, she has not spent enough
time with this new doc, but from what she has said, he's putting her on what
he thinks will help. And where do you get it that she is "presently
obsessing" about anything?? Number one, she's got a NEW psychiatrist.
Number two, she wanted feedback about her visit and the med he prescribed.
I see/hear no obsessions here at all.


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~Abraham Lincoln

[High Miles]

On 11/13/2010 6:26 AM, ~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ wrote:
> "High Miles" wrote in message
> news:4cde1aed$0$14654$[email protected]..
>
> On 11/8/2010 9:28 PM, Vickie wrote:
>> I had my first visit with a new p-doc.
>> He seems okay. I didn't really "click" with him, but I am beginning
>> to think I have unrealistic expectations with any psychiatrist.
>>
>> We ended the session deciding to do 3 days of 50mgs (down from 100mgs)
>> Zoloft and then starting 40mgs Citalopram.
>>
>> I wanted Escitalopram (Lexapro) but he hedged, saying something about
>> insurance, patents, blah blah.
>> I didn't feel comfortable with his answer in denying me it.
>>
>> So....
>> Can someone explain, if you have any idea, what he was talking about.
>>
>> Also, does anyone have experience with Celexa?
>>
>> Again, I know everyone's system is different, but I am so nervous I
>> would just like any kind of info on Celexa I can get.
>>
>> Thanks to those who can respond.
>>
>> Vickie
> http://www.drugs.com/celexa.html
>
> -----
> Has the psychiatrist spent enough time listening to you, so that he
> understands
> why you feel so nervous ?
>
> If you're presently obsessing about getting a drug that will give you
> relief,
> you may not be able to accurately judge your response / results.
>
> Good luck in your quest.
>
> Dorothy
>
> ----
>
> Ummm... Vickie plainly stated that this was her FIRST visit with the
> new p-doc. So I feel comfortable in saying that no, she has not spent
> enough time with this new doc, but from what she has said, he's
> putting her on what he thinks will help. And where do you get it that
> she is "presently obsessing" about anything?? Number one, she's got a
> NEW psychiatrist. Number two, she wanted feedback about her visit and
> the med he prescribed. I see/hear no obsessions here at all.
>
Wow
Didn't expect such a defensive response from other than the OP.
My comments were based upon reading more than one post on the subject.
Sometimes people become fearful that no drug will help as much as the
one they've been taking.
Others fear that no drug will be able to help them indefinitely.
When those thoughts populate one's thinking - it quickly becomes
obsessive.
Notice - I said IF you're presently obsessing - not because you are.

D

[~*LiveLoveLaugh*~]

"High Miles" wrote in message
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On 11/13/2010 6:26 AM, ~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ wrote:
> "High Miles" wrote in message
> news:4cde1aed$0$14654$[email protected]..
>
> On 11/8/2010 9:28 PM, Vickie wrote:
>> I had my first visit with a new p-doc.
>> He seems okay. I didn't really "click" with him, but I am beginning
>> to think I have unrealistic expectations with any psychiatrist.
>>
>> We ended the session deciding to do 3 days of 50mgs (down from 100mgs)
>> Zoloft and then starting 40mgs Citalopram.
>>
>> I wanted Escitalopram (Lexapro) but he hedged, saying something about
>> insurance, patents, blah blah.
>> I didn't feel comfortable with his answer in denying me it.
>>
>> So....
>> Can someone explain, if you have any idea, what he was talking about.
>>
>> Also, does anyone have experience with Celexa?
>>
>> Again, I know everyone's system is different, but I am so nervous I
>> would just like any kind of info on Celexa I can get.
>>
>> Thanks to those who can respond.
>>
>> Vickie
> http://www.drugs.com/celexa.html
>
> -----
> Has the psychiatrist spent enough time listening to you, so that he
> understands
> why you feel so nervous ?
>
> If you're presently obsessing about getting a drug that will give you
> relief,
> you may not be able to accurately judge your response / results.
>
> Good luck in your quest.
>
> Dorothy
>
> ----
>
> Ummm... Vickie plainly stated that this was her FIRST visit with the new
> p-doc. So I feel comfortable in saying that no, she has not spent enough
> time with this new doc, but from what she has said, he's putting her on
> what he thinks will help. And where do you get it that she is "presently
> obsessing" about anything?? Number one, she's got a NEW psychiatrist.
> Number two, she wanted feedback about her visit and the med he prescribed.
> I see/hear no obsessions here at all.
>
----
Wow
Didn't expect such a defensive response from other than the OP.
My comments were based upon reading more than one post on the subject.
Sometimes people become fearful that no drug will help as much as the
one they've been taking.
Others fear that no drug will be able to help them indefinitely.
When those thoughts populate one's thinking - it quickly becomes
obsessive.
Notice - I said IF you're presently obsessing - not because you are.

----

Not so much as defensive. More like looking out for someone I have seen
post in here for a while. You, on the other hand, I have not seen... or I
don't remember. This could be the case since I have had a very sad RL
experience and I'm quick to jump the gun or shield the bullets for my
friends. (RL experience was putting my beloved dog down. I can only hope
you NEVER have to go through this).

I do think you were a bit rough sounding, but that's just good ole me and my
..02 cents worth. It can be taken or not... no biggie. I don't really care.
I was just looking out for Vickie.


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Laurie
((¸¸.·´ ..·´
-:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.·

*~*LiveLoveLaugh*~*

All that I am or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother.
~Abraham Lincoln

D

[High Miles]

On 11/13/2010 2:33 PM, ~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ wrote:
> "High Miles" wrote in message
> news:4cdebb0b$0$10214$[email protected]..
>
> On 11/13/2010 6:26 AM, ~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ wrote:
>> "High Miles" wrote in message
>> news:4cde1aed$0$14654$[email protected]..
>>
>> On 11/8/2010 9:28 PM, Vickie wrote:
>>> I had my first visit with a new p-doc.
>>> He seems okay. I didn't really "click" with him, but I am beginning
>>> to think I have unrealistic expectations with any psychiatrist.
>>>
>>> We ended the session deciding to do 3 days of 50mgs (down from 100mgs)
>>> Zoloft and then starting 40mgs Citalopram.
>>>
>>> I wanted Escitalopram (Lexapro) but he hedged, saying something about
>>> insurance, patents, blah blah.
>>> I didn't feel comfortable with his answer in denying me it.
>>>
>>> So....
>>> Can someone explain, if you have any idea, what he was talking about.
>>>
>>> Also, does anyone have experience with Celexa?
>>>
>>> Again, I know everyone's system is different, but I am so nervous I
>>> would just like any kind of info on Celexa I can get.
>>>
>>> Thanks to those who can respond.
>>>
>>> Vickie
>> http://www.drugs.com/celexa.html
>>
>> -----
>> Has the psychiatrist spent enough time listening to you, so that he
>> understands
>> why you feel so nervous ?
>>
>> If you're presently obsessing about getting a drug that will give you
>> relief,
>> you may not be able to accurately judge your response / results.
>>
>> Good luck in your quest.
>>
>> Dorothy
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Ummm... Vickie plainly stated that this was her FIRST visit with the
>> new p-doc. So I feel comfortable in saying that no, she has not
>> spent enough time with this new doc, but from what she has said, he's
>> putting her on what he thinks will help. And where do you get it
>> that she is "presently obsessing" about anything?? Number one, she's
>> got a NEW psychiatrist. Number two, she wanted feedback about her
>> visit and the med he prescribed. I see/hear no obsessions here at all.
>>
> ----
> Wow
> Didn't expect such a defensive response from other than the OP.
> My comments were based upon reading more than one post on the subject.
> Sometimes people become fearful that no drug will help as much as the
> one they've been taking.
> Others fear that no drug will be able to help them indefinitely.
> When those thoughts populate one's thinking - it quickly becomes
> obsessive.
> Notice - I said IF you're presently obsessing - not because you are.
>
> ----
>
> Not so much as defensive. More like looking out for someone I have
> seen post in here for a while. You, on the other hand, I have not
> seen... or I don't remember. This could be the case since I have had
> a very sad RL experience and I'm quick to jump the gun or shield the
> bullets for my friends. (RL experience was putting my beloved dog
> down. I can only hope you NEVER have to go through this).
>
> I do think you were a bit rough sounding, but that's just good ole me
> and my .02 cents worth. It can be taken or not... no biggie. I don't
> really care. I was just looking out for Vickie.
>
>
> ·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:-
> ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))
> Laurie
> ((¸¸.·´ ..·´
> -:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.·
>
> *~*LiveLoveLaugh*~*
>
>
Are you the gal who used to work at Home Depot ?

[~*LiveLoveLaugh*~]

"High Miles" wrote in message
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On 11/13/2010 2:33 PM, ~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ wrote:
> "High Miles" wrote in message
> news:4cdebb0b$0$10214$[email protected]..
>
> On 11/13/2010 6:26 AM, ~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ wrote:
>> "High Miles" wrote in message
>> news:4cde1aed$0$14654$[email protected]..
>>
>> On 11/8/2010 9:28 PM, Vickie wrote:
>>> I had my first visit with a new p-doc.
>>> He seems okay. I didn't really "click" with him, but I am beginning
>>> to think I have unrealistic expectations with any psychiatrist.
>>>
>>> We ended the session deciding to do 3 days of 50mgs (down from 100mgs)
>>> Zoloft and then starting 40mgs Citalopram.
>>>
>>> I wanted Escitalopram (Lexapro) but he hedged, saying something about
>>> insurance, patents, blah blah.
>>> I didn't feel comfortable with his answer in denying me it.
>>>
>>> So....
>>> Can someone explain, if you have any idea, what he was talking about.
>>>
>>> Also, does anyone have experience with Celexa?
>>>
>>> Again, I know everyone's system is different, but I am so nervous I
>>> would just like any kind of info on Celexa I can get.
>>>
>>> Thanks to those who can respond.
>>>
>>> Vickie
>> http://www.drugs.com/celexa.html
>>
>> -----
>> Has the psychiatrist spent enough time listening to you, so that he
>> understands
>> why you feel so nervous ?
>>
>> If you're presently obsessing about getting a drug that will give you
>> relief,
>> you may not be able to accurately judge your response / results.
>>
>> Good luck in your quest.
>>
>> Dorothy
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Ummm... Vickie plainly stated that this was her FIRST visit with the new
>> p-doc. So I feel comfortable in saying that no, she has not spent enough
>> time with this new doc, but from what she has said, he's putting her on
>> what he thinks will help. And where do you get it that she is "presently
>> obsessing" about anything?? Number one, she's got a NEW psychiatrist.
>> Number two, she wanted feedback about her visit and the med he
>> prescribed. I see/hear no obsessions here at all.
>>
> ----
> Wow
> Didn't expect such a defensive response from other than the OP.
> My comments were based upon reading more than one post on the subject.
> Sometimes people become fearful that no drug will help as much as the
> one they've been taking.
> Others fear that no drug will be able to help them indefinitely.
> When those thoughts populate one's thinking - it quickly becomes
> obsessive.
> Notice - I said IF you're presently obsessing - not because you are.
>
> ----
>
> Not so much as defensive. More like looking out for someone I have seen
> post in here for a while. You, on the other hand, I have not seen... or
> I don't remember. This could be the case since I have had a very sad RL
> experience and I'm quick to jump the gun or shield the bullets for my
> friends. (RL experience was putting my beloved dog down. I can only hope
> you NEVER have to go through this).
>
> I do think you were a bit rough sounding, but that's just good ole me and
> my .02 cents worth. It can be taken or not... no biggie. I don't really
> care. I was just looking out for Vickie.
>
>
> ·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:-
> ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))
> Laurie
> ((¸¸.·´ ..·´
> -:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.·
>
> *~*LiveLoveLaugh*~*
>
>
Are you the gal who used to work at Home Depot ?

---

Yep! That's me!!


·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:-
¸.·´ .·´¨¨))
Laurie
((¸¸.·´ ..·´
-:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.·

*~*LiveLoveLaugh*~*

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~Abraham Lincoln

[High Miles]

On 11/14/2010 5:59 AM, ~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ wrote:
> "High Miles" wrote in message
> news:4cdf183a$0$17252$[email protected]..
>
> On 11/13/2010 2:33 PM, ~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ wrote:
>> "High Miles" wrote in message
>> news:4cdebb0b$0$10214$[email protected]..
>>
>> On 11/13/2010 6:26 AM, ~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ wrote:
>>> "High Miles" wrote in message
>>> news:4cde1aed$0$14654$[email protected]..
>>>
>>> On 11/8/2010 9:28 PM, Vickie wrote:
>>>> I had my first visit with a new p-doc.
>>>> He seems okay. I didn't really "click" with him, but I am beginning
>>>> to think I have unrealistic expectations with any psychiatrist.
>>>>
>>>> We ended the session deciding to do 3 days of 50mgs (down from 100mgs)
>>>> Zoloft and then starting 40mgs Citalopram.
>>>>
>>>> I wanted Escitalopram (Lexapro) but he hedged, saying something about
>>>> insurance, patents, blah blah.
>>>> I didn't feel comfortable with his answer in denying me it.
>>>>
>>>> So....
>>>> Can someone explain, if you have any idea, what he was talking about.
>>>>
>>>> Also, does anyone have experience with Celexa?
>>>>
>>>> Again, I know everyone's system is different, but I am so nervous I
>>>> would just like any kind of info on Celexa I can get.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to those who can respond.
>>>>
>>>> Vickie
>>> http://www.drugs.com/celexa.html
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Has the psychiatrist spent enough time listening to you, so that he
>>> understands
>>> why you feel so nervous ?
>>>
>>> If you're presently obsessing about getting a drug that will give you
>>> relief,
>>> you may not be able to accurately judge your response / results.
>>>
>>> Good luck in your quest.
>>>
>>> Dorothy
>>>
>>> ----
>>>
>>> Ummm... Vickie plainly stated that this was her FIRST visit with
>>> the new p-doc. So I feel comfortable in saying that no, she has not
>>> spent enough time with this new doc, but from what she has said,
>>> he's putting her on what he thinks will help. And where do you get
>>> it that she is "presently obsessing" about anything?? Number one,
>>> she's got a NEW psychiatrist. Number two, she wanted feedback about
>>> her visit and the med he prescribed. I see/hear no obsessions here
>>> at all.
>>>
>> ----
>> Wow
>> Didn't expect such a defensive response from other than the OP.
>> My comments were based upon reading more than one post on the subject.
>> Sometimes people become fearful that no drug will help as much as the
>> one they've been taking.
>> Others fear that no drug will be able to help them indefinitely.
>> When those thoughts populate one's thinking - it quickly becomes
>> obsessive.
>> Notice - I said IF you're presently obsessing - not because you are.
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Not so much as defensive. More like looking out for someone I have
>> seen post in here for a while. You, on the other hand, I have not
>> seen... or I don't remember. This could be the case since I have
>> had a very sad RL experience and I'm quick to jump the gun or shield
>> the bullets for my friends. (RL experience was putting my beloved
>> dog down. I can only hope you NEVER have to go through this).
>>
>> I do think you were a bit rough sounding, but that's just good ole me
>> and my .02 cents worth. It can be taken or not... no biggie. I
>> don't really care. I was just looking out for Vickie.
>>
>>
>> ·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:-
>> ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))
>> Laurie
>> ((¸¸.·´ ..·´
>> -:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.·
>>
>> *~*LiveLoveLaugh*~*
>>
>>
> Are you the gal who used to work at Home Depot ?
>
> ---
>
> Yep! That's me!!
>
Boy howdy - I remember exchanging comments with you, because my
son bled orange and loved his job there.
That was a long time ago.
Glad to see you're still fighting the good fight - and supporting others.

D

[~*LiveLoveLaugh*~]

"High Miles" wrote in message
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On 11/14/2010 5:59 AM, ~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ wrote:
> "High Miles" wrote in message
> news:4cdf183a$0$17252$[email protected]..
>
> On 11/13/2010 2:33 PM, ~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ wrote:
>> "High Miles" wrote in message
>> news:4cdebb0b$0$10214$[email protected]..
>>
>> On 11/13/2010 6:26 AM, ~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ wrote:
>>> "High Miles" wrote in message
>>> news:4cde1aed$0$14654$[email protected]..
>>>
>>> On 11/8/2010 9:28 PM, Vickie wrote:
>>>> I had my first visit with a new p-doc.
>>>> He seems okay. I didn't really "click" with him, but I am beginning
>>>> to think I have unrealistic expectations with any psychiatrist.
>>>>
>>>> We ended the session deciding to do 3 days of 50mgs (down from 100mgs)
>>>> Zoloft and then starting 40mgs Citalopram.
>>>>
>>>> I wanted Escitalopram (Lexapro) but he hedged, saying something about
>>>> insurance, patents, blah blah.
>>>> I didn't feel comfortable with his answer in denying me it.
>>>>
>>>> So....
>>>> Can someone explain, if you have any idea, what he was talking about.
>>>>
>>>> Also, does anyone have experience with Celexa?
>>>>
>>>> Again, I know everyone's system is different, but I am so nervous I
>>>> would just like any kind of info on Celexa I can get.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to those who can respond.
>>>>
>>>> Vickie
>>> http://www.drugs.com/celexa.html
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Has the psychiatrist spent enough time listening to you, so that he
>>> understands
>>> why you feel so nervous ?
>>>
>>> If you're presently obsessing about getting a drug that will give you
>>> relief,
>>> you may not be able to accurately judge your response / results.
>>>
>>> Good luck in your quest.
>>>
>>> Dorothy
>>>
>>> ----
>>>
>>> Ummm... Vickie plainly stated that this was her FIRST visit with the
>>> new p-doc. So I feel comfortable in saying that no, she has not spent
>>> enough time with this new doc, but from what she has said, he's putting
>>> her on what he thinks will help. And where do you get it that she is
>>> "presently obsessing" about anything?? Number one, she's got a NEW
>>> psychiatrist. Number two, she wanted feedback about her visit and the
>>> med he prescribed. I see/hear no obsessions here at all.
>>>
>> ----
>> Wow
>> Didn't expect such a defensive response from other than the OP.
>> My comments were based upon reading more than one post on the subject.
>> Sometimes people become fearful that no drug will help as much as the
>> one they've been taking.
>> Others fear that no drug will be able to help them indefinitely.
>> When those thoughts populate one's thinking - it quickly becomes
>> obsessive.
>> Notice - I said IF you're presently obsessing - not because you are.
>>
>> ----
>>
>> Not so much as defensive. More like looking out for someone I have seen
>> post in here for a while. You, on the other hand, I have not seen... or
>> I don't remember. This could be the case since I have had a very sad RL
>> experience and I'm quick to jump the gun or shield the bullets for my
>> friends. (RL experience was putting my beloved dog down. I can only
>> hope you NEVER have to go through this).
>>
>> I do think you were a bit rough sounding, but that's just good ole me and
>> my .02 cents worth. It can be taken or not... no biggie. I don't really
>> care. I was just looking out for Vickie.
>>
>>
>> ·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:-
>> ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))
>> Laurie
>> ((¸¸.·´ ..·´
>> -:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.·
>>
>> *~*LiveLoveLaugh*~*
>>
>>
> Are you the gal who used to work at Home Depot ?
>
> ---
>
> Yep! That's me!!
>
Boy howdy - I remember exchanging comments with you, because my
son bled orange and loved his job there.
That was a long time ago.
Glad to see you're still fighting the good fight - and supporting others.

----

I am so sorry I don't remember you, Dorothy. Must've been a loooong time
ago. Lots has happened to me in about the last 5 years (death/divorce). I
think I have a selective memory at this point to protect myself!!

Anywho, 'am glad you popped back in here. Stick around!!



·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:-
¸.·´ .·´¨¨))
Laurie
((¸¸.·´ ..·´
-:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.·

*~*LiveLoveLaugh*~*

All that I am or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother.
~Abraham Lincoln


D

[Vickie]

On Nov 9, 3:03*pm, Gigglz <nut...@nuthin.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:43:29 -0800 (PST), Vickie
>
> >On Nov 9, 5:55*am, Gigglz <nut...@nuthin.com> wrote:
> >> Hi Vickie,
>
> >> Psychs are all weird, if you ask me. :-) I've never clicked with one
> >> of 'em!!
>
> >Totally feel the same.
> >Guess I was just hoping for something better this time.
>
> well nobody can stop us from "hoping", right? *:-)
>
>
>
>
>
> >> Celexa is the sister drug to Lexapro. *Lexapro being the 'new and
> >> improved' version...so to speak. *Insurance companies often don't
> >> cover Lexapro, because there is no generic version of Lexapro as of
> >> yet. *A doctor will have to over-ride the insurance company to get it
> >> covered, and that's more work for them. *Gee, as if they don't make
> >> enough money for their time. *But when you think about it, WHY are
> >> ****ing INSURANCE companies telling the DOCTOR what they can and can't
> >> prescribe for their patients? *Another topic for another 24 hour
> >> timeframe!!! *I've taken Celexa before, and I'm on Lexapro now. *They
> >> tell you that Lexapro has less side effects. *I don't know if that's
> >> true or not...because I didn't really have much with either. *Just the
> >> annoying initial side effects that go away after a few weeks. *I found
> >> them both to be different than Zoloft in a GOOD way, so good for you!
>
> >Okay. *I feel a bit better about the Celexa.
> >Thanks for that.
>
> i'm glad, sweetie :-) * you are very welcome. *i have a friend that
> thanks god every day that he found celexa!! * he said it keeps him
> sane. *i feel the same way about lexapro!
>
> >But I do find it unfair to deny someone a "new and improved" med. *We
> >are not talking about fabric softeners here. *Shouldn't everyone get
> >the opportunity to get the very best available?
>
> absolutely! * it sucks. *it's typical...insurance companies trying to
> run our healthcare programs to save money for THEMSELVES. *dirty
> bastards!
>
> >My coverage isn't the top of the line, but it is pretty darn good.
> >Why not see what I might get?
> >If it is a major trial and would be a hardship for every refill, then
> >we can decide to go for the other option.
>
> if you are in the States, it's not a big deal. *the doctor just has to
> override the insurance company. *i know, because our doctor just did
> it for my husband and he has done it MANY times for me.
>
> >Needless to say, it was a bit of a turnoff....among some other things
> >in the session.
>
> i don't blame you one bit for being turned off. * that jerk! *:-(
>
>
>
> >But enough of that. *It is going to turn out fine. *I will stay
> >positive!
>
> i'm sure it will be fine, but i know how you feel. *staying positive
> is the best thing that anyone can do for themself. *i'm proud of you
> :-)
>
> >Again, I can't thank you enough for your response, and I *will* let
> >you know if I need [more] help.
>
>
> happy to help you, vickie. * it's never a problem. *take care. *i hope
> you are feeling back to yourself again soon!
>

Back to myself....I am not even sure I know who that is anymore!
It's strange how you compensate so much when dealing with panic.
I'm feeling a bit lost right now. Trusting that something will
actually work for me is difficult.
But so far, with the withdrawl and 3 days of celexa, I think I am
doing okay.
I kind of feel groggy. I don't know if that will taper off or become
a permanent side-effect.
Headaches are painful, but I'm not sure if that is due to the med
change or something else.

The thought of going to a movie or out to dinner is still not sitting
well. But I'm okay doing most normal activities around the house, so
that's a positive thing.

Just struggling along right now and happy I have good moments.
Why is it so hard to take care of myself?!

Thanks for listening.

Vickie

[Vickie]

On Nov 12, 3:36*pm, Philip Peters <phi...@p-peters.demon.nl> wrote:
> Op 9-11-2010 19:43, Vickie schreef:
>
> > Okay. *I feel a bit better about the Celexa.
> > Thanks for that.
> > But I do find it unfair to deny someone a "new and improved" med. *We
> > are not talking about fabric softeners here. *Shouldn't everyone get
> > the opportunity to get the very best available?
>
> Yes, Vickie, of course.
> But Lexapro can't be classified as an *improved version* of Celexa.
> The manufacturer did introduce it as such but - Big Pharma is your best
> friend ;-) - not because it was but because the patent on citalopram
> (Celexa) had expired and a new expensive med would mean more $$$.
> On the other hand there were some indicators that Lexapro *might* be the
> improved version of Celexa because it's really the same formula but
> where Celexa consisted of two *isomers* one of which didn't "do"
> anything Lexparo lacked this isomer and the idea was that removing the
> inactive isomer would make for fewer side effects and a more intensive
> positive effect. In itself that was not an unreasonable thought.
> But reality doesn't always behave according to theory and in clinical
> practice it turned out that some people who d9d wel on Celexa didn't do
> better on Lexapro (and vice versa!) so what they really had done was
> manufacture another *me too med*, just another SSRI. But they
> conveniently forgot to mention this...
> SSRI's are no panacea, that much is now clear to everyone, doctors and
> patients alike. But people that don't react well to one SSRI may respond
> better to another one - the proof is in the pudding - so having one more
> to choose from is in itself not a bad thing.
> Try Celexa (*start low, go slow* is the golden rule) and it may well
> work for you as it did for many others.
>
> Philip

Thanks for the info.
I really hope it helps.
It's depressing to think that my life will always be so limited, like
it is now.

Vickie


(snip)

[Vickie]

On Nov 12, 8:57*pm, High Miles <2blues1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 11/8/2010 9:28 PM, Vickie wrote:
>
>
>
> > I had my first visit with a new p-doc.
> > He seems okay. *I didn't really "click" with him, but I am beginning
> > to think I have unrealistic expectations with any psychiatrist.
>
> > We ended the session deciding to do 3 days of 50mgs (down from 100mgs)
> > Zoloft and then starting 40mgs Citalopram.
>
> > I wanted Escitalopram (Lexapro) but he hedged, saying something about
> > insurance, patents, blah blah.
> > I didn't feel comfortable with his answer in denying me it.
>
> > So....
> > Can someone explain, if you have any idea, what he was talking about.
>
> > Also, does anyone have experience with Celexa?
>
> > Again, I know everyone's system is different, but I am so nervous I
> > would just like any kind of info on Celexa I can get.
>
> > Thanks to those who can respond.
>
> > Vickie
>
> http://www.drugs.com/celexa.html
>
> Has the psychiatrist spent enough time listening to you, so that he
> understands
> why you feel so nervous ?

How much time are they supposed to listen in a session?
This was my first visit so it was a lot of meds, symptoms, history.

>
> If you're presently obsessing about getting a drug that will give you
> relief,
> you may not be able to accurately judge your response / results.

I don't think I am obsessing. I just looked up the names of other
AD's and tried to figure out which I thought might work well with my
disease. I know everyone is different, but I still find it
informative to see what some other people think most highly of.

After spending most of the first session talking about my history, and
then an uncomfortable few minutes talking about self-esteem issues,
the subject of new meds was brought up, in which I said I was
interested in Lexapro. He stumbled and stammered about the patent
thing and then I agreed to Celexa.

>
> Good luck in your quest.

Thanks. The hardest thing for me will be to try and decide if what I
am taking and the amount I'm taking is the best for me. Or am I
selling myself short.

Vickie

[Gigglz]

On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:37:55 -0800 (PST), Vickie
<[email protected]> wrote:


>I don't think I am obsessing. I just looked up the names of other
>AD's and tried to figure out which I thought might work well with my
>disease. I know everyone is different, but I still find it
>informative to see what some other people think most highly of.

i don't think you are "obsessing", either.


>After spending most of the first session talking about my history, and
>then an uncomfortable few minutes talking about self-esteem issues,
>the subject of new meds was brought up, in which I said I was
>interested in Lexapro. He stumbled and stammered about the patent
>thing and then I agreed to Celexa.

of course he "stumbled" and "stammered". that's what they do. most
of them are book smart, and worldly clueless!


>Thanks. The hardest thing for me will be to try and decide if what I
>am taking and the amount I'm taking is the best for me. Or am I
>selling myself short.
>
>Vickie

and how are you feeling, vickie? if for some reason the celexa
doesn't work for you, that doctor can override it, and get lexapro
paid for. it's easy for them to do. i've had it done many times, and
so has my husband.

sending you good vibes!!

gigglz

[Gigglz]

On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:37:29 -0800 (PST), Vickie
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Thanks for the info.
>I really hope it helps.
>It's depressing to think that my life will always be so limited, like
>it is now.
>
>Vickie

your life won't be "limited", hun. you will find something that
works. if for some reason the celexa doesn't work, there is lexapro.
it's the sister drug and he can get it covered. works great for me!
and there certainly are other medications as well! but i bet the
celexa will work for you. it is SO MUCH better than zoloft! been
there, done that!! :-) but let the doctor do the work, not the
people in here. we can read a lot, but that doesn't mean we have the
actual details and understanding...ya know?

gigglz

[Gigglz]

On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:21:01 -0800 (PST), Vickie
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Nov 9, 3:03*pm, Gigglz <nut...@nuthin.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:43:29 -0800 (PST), Vickie
>>
>> >On Nov 9, 5:55*am, Gigglz <nut...@nuthin.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi Vickie,
>>
>> >> Psychs are all weird, if you ask me. :-) I've never clicked with one
>> >> of 'em!!
>>
>> >Totally feel the same.
>> >Guess I was just hoping for something better this time.
>>
>> well nobody can stop us from "hoping", right? *:-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> Celexa is the sister drug to Lexapro. *Lexapro being the 'new and
>> >> improved' version...so to speak. *Insurance companies often don't
>> >> cover Lexapro, because there is no generic version of Lexapro as of
>> >> yet. *A doctor will have to over-ride the insurance company to get it
>> >> covered, and that's more work for them. *Gee, as if they don't make
>> >> enough money for their time. *But when you think about it, WHY are
>> >> ****ing INSURANCE companies telling the DOCTOR what they can and can't
>> >> prescribe for their patients? *Another topic for another 24 hour
>> >> timeframe!!! *I've taken Celexa before, and I'm on Lexapro now. *They
>> >> tell you that Lexapro has less side effects. *I don't know if that's
>> >> true or not...because I didn't really have much with either. *Just the
>> >> annoying initial side effects that go away after a few weeks. *I found
>> >> them both to be different than Zoloft in a GOOD way, so good for you!
>>
>> >Okay. *I feel a bit better about the Celexa.
>> >Thanks for that.
>>
>> i'm glad, sweetie :-) * you are very welcome. *i have a friend that
>> thanks god every day that he found celexa!! * he said it keeps him
>> sane. *i feel the same way about lexapro!
>>
>> >But I do find it unfair to deny someone a "new and improved" med. *We
>> >are not talking about fabric softeners here. *Shouldn't everyone get
>> >the opportunity to get the very best available?
>>
>> absolutely! * it sucks. *it's typical...insurance companies trying to
>> run our healthcare programs to save money for THEMSELVES. *dirty
>> bastards!
>>
>> >My coverage isn't the top of the line, but it is pretty darn good.
>> >Why not see what I might get?
>> >If it is a major trial and would be a hardship for every refill, then
>> >we can decide to go for the other option.
>>
>> if you are in the States, it's not a big deal. *the doctor just has to
>> override the insurance company. *i know, because our doctor just did
>> it for my husband and he has done it MANY times for me.
>>
>> >Needless to say, it was a bit of a turnoff....among some other things
>> >in the session.
>>
>> i don't blame you one bit for being turned off. * that jerk! *:-(
>>
>>
>>
>> >But enough of that. *It is going to turn out fine. *I will stay
>> >positive!
>>
>> i'm sure it will be fine, but i know how you feel. *staying positive
>> is the best thing that anyone can do for themself. *i'm proud of you
>> :-)
>>
>> >Again, I can't thank you enough for your response, and I *will* let
>> >you know if I need [more] help.
>>
>>
>> happy to help you, vickie. * it's never a problem. *take care. *i hope
>> you are feeling back to yourself again soon!
>>
>
>Back to myself....I am not even sure I know who that is anymore!
>It's strange how you compensate so much when dealing with panic.
>I'm feeling a bit lost right now. Trusting that something will
>actually work for me is difficult.
>But so far, with the withdrawl and 3 days of celexa, I think I am
>doing okay.
>I kind of feel groggy. I don't know if that will taper off or become
>a permanent side-effect.
>Headaches are painful, but I'm not sure if that is due to the med
>change or something else.
>
>The thought of going to a movie or out to dinner is still not sitting
>well. But I'm okay doing most normal activities around the house, so
>that's a positive thing.
>
>Just struggling along right now and happy I have good moments.
>Why is it so hard to take care of myself?!
>
>Thanks for listening.
>
>Vickie

hi hun,

it's very typical to be frustrated like this.
if after three days you are doing "OK", that is HUGE!!
feeling groggy at first is normal. you have one drug going out, and
another coming in. the headaches are probably because of the
change...but definitely ask the doctor that question. even if he is a
dork, you have to work with him. :-) hehe
just a little at a time, vickie. if you don't feel like going out,
wait until you do. or, maybe just go out for a little walk to get you
outside for a bit. there is no rush.
you're going thru a big change right now, and that is why it is hard.
you WILL feel better though. i'll listen to you, and help you thru
this. drop me a note at [email protected]

i'll be thinking of you, and sending vibes!

hugs,
deb