Why Anxiety???

I am seeing and receiving much treatment for the side effects of this condition.
Now I believe it is time to find the cause. I have been told that anxiety/
panic attacks are a result of the brain not producing enough of some chemical.
Next question is why does this happen?

Is it a genetic pre-disposition?

Or is it an environment problem?

My thinking is that it may well be a combination as a result of my childhood.
The shrink keeps talking about 'being in touch with my inner child' as a way to
overcome the panic/ anxiety. My 'inner child' and I have always gotten along
pretty well. It is the rest of the world that makes little sense. LOL

The rest of the world makes little sense due to viewpoint. As an over
sheltered, abused child, my world viewpoint is not quite in synchronization with
'reality'. I thought everyone had a father that liked to frighten them on a
constant basis.

A father that found it hilarious to send a two year old into a dark room for
some trifle after telling that child horror tales, then closes the door to make
the room black. If the child turns back on this task, she is beaten for not
performing the task. Each time the door starts to swing shut, she hesitates and
is threatened with punishment. When she finally reaches the trifle, the door
swings shut leaving her terrified in total dark to the sound of the father
laughing heartily. The mother does nothing to stop the abuse. The younger
sibling watches and learns it is okay to mistreat her.

Any surprise the little girl had panic/ anxiety problems by age four?

Pull back the layers of memory. When did it start for you? Relive the moments
and face them. Let those moments no longer control you. Yow, I know. Easier
said than done. But it is a beginning.

On Jan 30, 4:16�pm, Vandy Terre <v...@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote:
> I am seeing and receiving much treatment for the side effects of this condition.

now THAT, folks... ^ up there, is what's what. "side effects" of this
condition. (i'm stealin' that.) the condition is just that... a
condition, much like high blood pressure. ya treat the "side
effects."

THAT WAS GOOD ! (ok, i'm in love agin.)

> Now I believe it is time to find the cause.

(Oprah caused it. Dr. Phil added fuel to tha fire.)

>*I have been told that anxiety/
> panic attacks are a result of the brain not producing enough of some chemical.
> Next question is why does this happen?

the person that figures that out will be giving a Pulitzer Prize
winning speech.

> Is it a genetic pre-disposition?

from what i understand, yes.

> Or is it an environment problem?

nature or nurture?

i'm thinkin' sumbody said it best in another post, and i can't
remember which one. basically, the predisposed condition (nature) is
exasperated (or not) by environment (nurture.)

kinda like if yer predisposed to diabetes. should your environment
dictate a crappy diet, the condition manifests itself. if a healthy
diet is employed, the manifestation may never be an issue.

i make no sense most'ah tha time, keep that in mind.

> My thinking is that it may well be a combination as a result of my childhood.

amen.

> The shrink keeps talking about 'being in touch with my inner child' as a way to
> overcome the panic/ anxiety.

shrinks still say that?

i wonder does he think Werner Earhart (or however ya spell it) still
lives and the EST training is intact.

>*My 'inner child' and I have always gotten along
> pretty well. *It is the rest of the world that makes little sense. LOL

maybe yer inner child doesn't play well with others.

HAHAHAHA !

> The rest of the world makes little sense due to viewpoint. *As an over
> sheltered, abused child, my world viewpoint is not quite in synchronization with
> 'reality'. *I thought everyone had a father that liked to frighten themon a
> constant basis.

SORRRRRRRRY, gurlie, but yer world ain't special. i lived with a fear
so fucking severe that at tha ripe ole age of 49, even in all my
wisdom of how outlandish this particular fear i'm thinking of (there's
many) is, it still is with me and will be til death do us part. it's
more loyal than'ah husband. (well, from what i hear that don't hold
much water butcha know whad'ah mean.)

> A father that found it hilarious to send a two year old into a dark room for
> some trifle after telling that child horror tales, then closes the door to make
> the room black. *If the child turns back on this task, she is beaten for not
> performing the task. *Each time the door starts to swing shut, she hesitates and
> is threatened with punishment. *When she finally reaches the trifle, the door
> swings shut leaving her terrified in total dark to the sound of the father
> laughing heartily. *The mother does nothing to stop the abuse. *The younger
> sibling watches and learns it is okay to mistreat her.

....and then there's my story, just as ridiculous as yours is to you
now, and just as adequate today as it was yesterday. "reasoning"
doesn't deplete the fear, it merely gives room to deal with "cause,"
which in no way diminishes the "effect."�

> Any surprise the little girl had panic/ anxiety problems by age four?

NO ! YOU WERE FOUR THEN. YOU'RE GROWN NOW ! SO WHY DONCHA JUST GET
OVER IT? WHY LET IT CONTROL YOU? YOU ALLOW IT ! IF YOU KNOW IT
MAKES NO SENSE, THEN STOP LETTING IT RULE YOU ! YOU ARE IN CONTROL,
CONTROL YOUR PANIC, YOU EMBICILE ! STOP BLAMING OTHERS FOR YOUR STUPID
PROBLEMS ! STOP MAKING EXCUSES !

sound familiar?

good... i'm glad we got that outta tha way.

> Pull back the layers of memory. *When did it start for you? *Relive the moments
> and face them.

i really should read ahead but i don't.

maybe whoever said that should'ah had both arms chopped off in'ah wood-
chipper. maybe reliving the memory'll make them arms grow back.

maybe victims of racist violence should just relive those memories and
face them and sing "KUM BAH YAH" and have NO reaction to a noose
danglin' from their ceiling over their bed as decor. yeah. that
works !

>*Let those moments no longer control you.

amen. and tell the guy with no arms it was just'ah moment, and then
give him'ah "big hug."

(impossible for him ta return that hug?)

HEY ! IT WAS JUST'AH MOMENT, DUDE !

>*Yow, I know. *Easier
> said than done.

no shit, right?

i think yer shrink needs ta get in touch with Big Bubba. i hear tell
ole Bub's real good at touchin' that inner stuff. (his inner chile
might get'n tha way, but hey... that's just MOTIVATION for our
Bubba.)

tell yer shrink just ta "face it"... (and i mean tha soap he was
forced ta drop) and GET PAST IT.

>*But it is a beginning.

YOU AIN'T KIDDIN' IT IS !!!!

i personally think these shrinks need ta walk'ah mile in our shoes and
if they still don't "get it"... at least they'll be'ah mile away.

figurin' out "why" ain't always tha solution.

"why" did the World Trade Center event happen? ok, let's pretend we
know WHY...

.... AND??????

(oh yeah... face it and just faggetaboutit...i fergot)

people are just no damn good.

~tanya <---- no damn good, as well...so there ya have it.

your suppose to learn to love and accept yourself in a way your parents
should have. A great concept , the problem is the rest of the world will
often walk over you. The advantage goes to the people who don't feel what is
going on around them as much as some others. When I grew up I had great
visions of what America was suppose to be about. Now to me its saner to be
anxious or depressed although not preferred. I never was good about blocking
out half the life. I wrote about why the world is so messed up: religion,
control and unrational behavior.
"Vandy Terre" <vandy@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote in message
newsrnur250ouuda0rs91maobnagp5tgf567u@4ax.com...
>I am seeing and receiving much treatment for the side effects of this
>condition.
> Now I believe it is time to find the cause. I have been told that
> anxiety/
> panic attacks are a result of the brain not producing enough of some
> chemical.
> Next question is why does this happen?
>
> Is it a genetic pre-disposition?
>
> Or is it an environment problem?
>
> My thinking is that it may well be a combination as a result of my
> childhood.
> The shrink keeps talking about 'being in touch with my inner child' as a
> way to
> overcome the panic/ anxiety. My 'inner child' and I have always gotten
> along
> pretty well. It is the rest of the world that makes little sense. LOL
>
> The rest of the world makes little sense due to viewpoint. As an over
> sheltered, abused child, my world viewpoint is not quite in
> synchronization with
> 'reality'. I thought everyone had a father that liked to frighten them on
> a
> constant basis.
>
> A father that found it hilarious to send a two year old into a dark room
> for
> some trifle after telling that child horror tales, then closes the door to
> make
> the room black. If the child turns back on this task, she is beaten for
> not
> performing the task. Each time the door starts to swing shut, she
> hesitates and
> is threatened with punishment. When she finally reaches the trifle, the
> door
> swings shut leaving her terrified in total dark to the sound of the father
> laughing heartily. The mother does nothing to stop the abuse. The
> younger
> sibling watches and learns it is okay to mistreat her.
>
> Any surprise the little girl had panic/ anxiety problems by age four?
>
> Pull back the layers of memory. When did it start for you? Relive the
> moments
> and face them. Let those moments no longer control you. Yow, I know.
> Easier
> said than done. But it is a beginning.

On Jan 31, 8:33�am, "mcs" <m...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> your suppose to learn to love and accept yourself in a way your parents
> should have.

the issue i have with the above concept, Steve, is acceptance includes
NO judgment call on what "should" be. that negates acceptance
altogether. being a parent ain't rocket science, i presume, it
involves responsibility, inherently, for the child's well-being,
should that be the parent's integrity. there's several ways ta
accomplish a goal, there are no "shoulds." hopefully, the parent's
goal is for their child to become a healthy adult... mentally,
physically, socially, and otherwise. it isn't always the case.

> A great concept , the problem is the rest of the world will
> often walk over you.

a healthy adult OR child, for that matter, can overcome the walking of
the world, as they've, in MY perfect world, been given or in the
process of being given tools to do so. again, that's not always the
case.

one can't change THE world, one can only be give the devices to have
power over THEIR world. again, that's not always the case.

> The advantage goes to the people who don't feel what is
> going on around them as much as some *others.

with the ability instilled to overcome, those people are of no
concern. again, that's not always the outcome.

> When I grew up I had great
> visions of what America was suppose to be about. Now to me its saner to be
> anxious or depressed although not preferred.

judging sane or saner or shoulds can be extremely limiting and
dangerous to one's ego (self)... i have faith in acceptance, always
will. acceptance breeds an "ok, that's the way it is, i might not
like it, but it is what it is" attitude, along with the ability to
have power over one's life.

of course we most likely disagree, Steve. >>>>wink<<<<

< I never was good about blocking
> out half the life. I wrote about why the world is so messed up: religion,
> control and unrational behavior.

again, that's judgment as opposed to acceptance and if that works for
you and fulfills your personal psyche and life? more power.

xoxoxoxxo

still up fer that love-in?

xoxoxoxo

~t

Vandy Terre schreef:
> I am seeing and receiving much treatment for the side effects of this condition.
> Now I believe it is time to find the cause. I have been told that anxiety/
> panic attacks are a result of the brain not producing enough of some chemical.
> Next question is why does this happen?
>
> Is it a genetic pre-disposition?
>
> Or is it an environment problem?


By now there is a consensus about this. PD most often is
biological/genetical but needs environmental triggers to mecome
manifest. So it's both.
>

>

My thinking is that it may well be a combination as a result of my
childhood.
> The shrink keeps talking about 'being in touch with my inner child' as a way to
> overcome the panic/ anxiety. My 'inner child' and I have always gotten along
> pretty well. It is the rest of the world that makes little sense. LOL


LOL. The term *inner child* has been widely popularized in the US, not
last because of the activities of Oprah Winfrey. It is a term from Eric
Berne's Transactonal Analysis which in itself isn't all that bad and
maybe some aspects of it can be used in therapy for anxiety disorders
(as can parts of Gestalt Therapy and ohter schools of thought). Still,
the first choice therapy by a long shot is Cognitive Behavior Therapy
unless you're dagnosed with PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder)
because of your abusive father (ask the pdoc) in which case EMDR maybe
added. This has long been regarded as a bogus therapy because it seems
to be nonsense but I know quite some therapists who use it now in the
treatment of PTSD because in clinical practice it often seems to work.
>



> Pull back the layers of memory.



Only if there is a clear diagnosis of PTSD and even then CBT may be more
helpful than psychodynamic therapy you allude to. CBT is very much a
here-and-now solution-oriented therapy unlike psychodynamic therapy
which focuses on *why*.


When did it start for you? Relive the moments
> and face them. Let those moments no longer control you. Yow, I know. Easier
> said than done. But it is a beginning.


But I wonder of it's the best beginning. I'm not saying it's impossible
that psychodynamic therapy will do something for you but it often takes
a long time and CBT has proven to be more effective in less time.

Check it out:
www.cognitivetherapy.com
http://panicdisorder.about.com/cs/therapycbt/

Philip