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Old 01-20-2007, 01:11 AM
rfdjr1@optonline.net
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Hi. I have arthritis in my knees and my hands. I'm a 60 year old male. I've
never been to a specialist, but my regular Doctor says there's not much I can
take for it because I'm allergic to aspirin and ibuprofen, so I should just take
Tylenol which doesn't do anything for me. I was looking at some OTC meds which
claim to relubricate joints, but they have a warning that they contain shellfish
ingredients, and yes, I'm allergic to shellfish too. Before I spend money on a
specialist, is there any meds out there that might do me some good? Thanks for
any input.

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Old 01-20-2007, 01:11 AM
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You should first consult with a rheumatologist (?splg). There are too
many forms of arthritis and should be indentified before starting
treatment.

I'm sorry that you had to find your way here. And yes there are lots
of things that you can do!

Take care,

Vickie B.

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Old 01-20-2007, 01:11 AM
shenmei9wise@gmail.com
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Best money you will spend is on a diagnosis. OA which can be the "old
worn out joints" or just getting older joints or too many sports injury
joints will require one path or protocol-inflammatory arthritis has
radically different treatment options. I think none of us will even
ventrue an opinion without you comng with a diagnosis. However, your
doc is wrong is not up to date There are many more options other than
aspirin and ibuprofen. Stick arond and let us know how this
progresses.

Melinda
rfdjr1@optonline.net wrote:
> Hi. I have arthritis in my knees and my hands. I'm a 60 year old male. I've
> never been to a specialist, but my regular Doctor says there's not much I can
> take for it because I'm allergic to aspirin and ibuprofen, so I should just take
> Tylenol which doesn't do anything for me. I was looking at some OTC meds which
> claim to relubricate joints, but they have a warning that they contain shellfish
> ingredients, and yes, I'm allergic to shellfish too. Before I spend money on a
> specialist, is there any meds out there that might do me some good? Thanks for
> any input.


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Old 01-20-2007, 06:35 AM
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rfdjr1@optonline.net wrote:

> Hi. I have arthritis in my knees and my hands.


What species of arthritis, out of the 100+ types?

> I'm a 60 year old male. I've never been to a specialist, but my regular Doctor


Has this doctor received any specialized education/training in
rheumatology?
Board certified by the American College of Rheumatology?



> says there's not much I can take for it because I'm allergic to aspirin
> and ibuprofen, so I should just take Tylenol


A sure cop-out that the doctor doesn't know anything about a disease.
There are dozen meds available without aspirin or ibuprofen. Ask that
doctor what the difference is between NASID and DMARD. See if he
can answer without going to a dictionary and revealing incompentency.


> which doesn't do anything for me.


Except possibly damage the kidneys.


> I was looking at some OTC meds which claim to relubricate joints,
> but they have a warning that they contain shellfish ingredients,
> and yes, I'm allergic to shellfish too. Before I spend money on a
> specialist, is there any meds out there that might do me some good?
> Thanks for any input.


We would be crazy to suggest a treatment without conducting a
total physical exam. It's a federal crime for a doctor to prescribe
meds before preforming an exam.

Why would you have to pay for a specialist? No insurance?

.... No user serviceable parts in this sigline. Do not open!

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Old 01-20-2007, 03:49 PM
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rfdjr1@optonline.net wrote:
> Hi. I have arthritis in my knees and my hands. I'm a 60 year old male. I've
> never been to a specialist, but my regular Doctor says there's not much I can
> take for it because I'm allergic to aspirin and ibuprofen, so I should just take
> Tylenol which doesn't do anything for me. I was looking at some OTC meds which
> claim to relubricate joints, but they have a warning that they contain shellfish
> ingredients, and yes, I'm allergic to shellfish too. Before I spend money on a
> specialist, is there any meds out there that might do me some good? Thanks for
> any input.


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Old 01-20-2007, 03:49 PM
Jeff
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rfdjr1@optonline.net wrote:
> Hi. I have arthritis in my knees and my hands. I'm a 60 year old male. I've
> never been to a specialist, but my regular Doctor says there's not much I can
> take for it because I'm allergic to aspirin and ibuprofen, so I should just take
> Tylenol which doesn't do anything for me. I was looking at some OTC meds which
> claim to relubricate joints, but they have a warning that they contain shellfish
> ingredients, and yes, I'm allergic to shellfish too. Before I spend money on a
> specialist, is there any meds out there that might do me some good? Thanks for
> any input.


Hi rfdjr

I am 50 and had debilitating arthritis in my hands. The condition has
gone away to the point where I only have memories of the problem,
especially when I read about your state.

1. I don't trust doctors. They will do whatever they can to keep you
mystified and comming back for more treatment.

2. I have had experience with this newsgroup and it seems to be totally
occupied by victims of arthritis and have no concept of a cure. They
are convinced that it is a condition that will never go away. This is a
group of people that only want to discuss problems and not cures.

3. The only reason I am contacting you is because Google has just sent
me an update to this newsgroup. I am saddened to see the same twisted
individuals discussing the same helpless scenarios as they were 6
months ago and will be in 6 months time. They obviously want their
problem to continue so they can feel connected to a group of inflicted
individuals. They don't want to get well because that will mean they
will lose their sense of importance.

4. If you REALLY want to overcome your arthritis for good feel free to
contact me any time.

Jeff Watkinson
jeff@god.net.au

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Old 01-20-2007, 10:13 PM
Joan Carter
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On 20 Jan 2007 05:01:08 -0800, "Jeff" <jeff@god.net.au> wrote in
alt.support.arthritis:

>I am 50 and had debilitating arthritis in my hands. The condition has
>gone away to the point where I only have memories of the problem,
>especially when I read about your state.


I think I smell another spammer. Mercy, where *do* they come from?
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Old 01-20-2007, 10:13 PM
Fire Chief
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> "Jeff" <jeff@god.net.au> wrote:

>> I am 50 and had debilitating arthritis in my hands. The condition has
>> gone away to the point where I only have memories of the problem,
>> especially when I read about your state.



And Joan Carter addressed it with::


> I think I smell another spammer. Mercy, where *do* they come from?



I think thye were hatched with that avian bird flu already affecting
them.


.... At an airport, could George Washington just flash a quarter for ID?

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Old 01-21-2007, 01:52 AM
Rosemarie Shiver
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I think this one needs to pluck off. <frown>

Hugs from Rosie

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"Fire Chief" <CALIFORNIA_CHIEF@PEOPLEPC.COM> wrote in message
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> > "Jeff" <jeff@god.net.au> wrote:

>
> >> I am 50 and had debilitating arthritis in my hands. The condition has
> >> gone away to the point where I only have memories of the problem,
> >> especially when I read about your state.

>
>
> And Joan Carter addressed it with::
>
>
> > I think I smell another spammer. Mercy, where *do* they come from?

>
>
> I think thye were hatched with that avian bird flu already affecting
> them.
>
>
> ... At an airport, could George Washington just flash a quarter for ID?
>



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Old 01-21-2007, 01:52 AM
shenmei9wise@gmail.com
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Baby/bathwater time, guys. No reason at all that I can see to think
our oroginal poster is anything other than legit. Let's make sure he
feels welcome. Jeff is certainly difficult but he doesn't get to
hijack this thread.

m
rfdjr1@optonline.net wrote:
> Hi. I have arthritis in my knees and my hands. I'm a 60 year old male. I've
> never been to a specialist, but my regular Doctor says there's not much I can
> take for it because I'm allergic to aspirin and ibuprofen, so I should just take
> Tylenol which doesn't do anything for me. I was looking at some OTC meds which
> claim to relubricate joints, but they have a warning that they contain shellfish
> ingredients, and yes, I'm allergic to shellfish too. Before I spend money on a
> specialist, is there any meds out there that might do me some good? Thanks for
> any input.


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Old 01-21-2007, 07:08 AM
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Yes, I am legit and not a spammer. And the pain in my knees and hands is real. I
have a doctors appoinment Monday and I am going to ask for a referral to a
specialist. The thing that is bothering me most is tha I play the guitar and
banjo and can hardly do anything with either one now and I'd love to get back
into it just for my own enjoyment.

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:36:57 -0500, rfdjr1@optonline.net wrote:

>Hi. I have arthritis in my knees and my hands. I'm a 60 year old male. I've
>never been to a specialist, but my regular Doctor says there's not much I can
>take for it because I'm allergic to aspirin and ibuprofen, so I should just take
>Tylenol which doesn't do anything for me. I was looking at some OTC meds which
>claim to relubricate joints, but they have a warning that they contain shellfish
>ingredients, and yes, I'm allergic to shellfish too. Before I spend money on a
>specialist, is there any meds out there that might do me some good? Thanks for
>any input.



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Old 01-21-2007, 07:08 AM
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Please see a specialist. It could actually be an inflammatory arthritis -
even some osteo is inflammatory in nature and damage can be arrested with
dmards. My husband's aunt was on mtx but they started it way too late which
was such a pity. She did incredible small wood carvings but her hands were
so bad. At 60 life is not over.

If nothing else can be done as far as traditional medication because of
allergies (and no not all arthritis meds are aspirin and ibuprofen) there
are things you can do. Use ice, heat, set a timer for a very short period
and try your guitar after icing your hands. If you can be pain free after
that short a time you can set the timer longer the next day. Sometimes I
can do things for 2 short periods a day instead of 1 longer period. Icing,
parafin wax treatments - experiment as to which is longer.

In the meantime also protect and preserve your joints. You might try using
large grip tools, splints for your wrists if that is a problem, investigate
whether ring splints will help your fingers with an occupational therapist
after you find out which kind of arthritis from the rheumatologist. Despite
what someone tried to tell the group very few rheumatologists really want to
see you in pain and really if they had a better solution to stop joint
damage rather than meds they would use it. The idea is to stop joint
damage - many have tried all kinds of natural things without meds and joint
protection and have had joint damage. Hand damage is hard to reverse easily
if at all.

The principles of joint protection are grip, leverage, larger muscle groups.
there are more I know but I am tired. Use rubber to make grip easier - on
steering wheels, rubber grips to open jars, (jar openers are even easier),
rubber large grips on tools, cutlery, and knives (oxo tools are great - good
grips they are known as), leverage ie: levered door knobs and handles, and
use larger muscle groups ie: use palms to open things rather than fingers,
carry bags if you have to using arms instead of fingers and wrists ie:
paper bags not plastic - better yet a bag boy and at home a wheeled cart to
carry things from one room to the other. When getting up from a chair use
larger cushions under you - higher chair and don't use your hands to push
yourself up - instead move to the front of the chair and lever yourself up
using your forearms (a physio will teach this) Strengthen your quads -
those will help - exercise believe it or not works wonders - my 86 year old
father in law has learnt this lesson well. He now attends fitness class
twice a week and lifts weights etc so he can stay in his home. 4 weeks away
from classes and he is weaker than a kitten and his knees hurt. He admitted
today that I was right (and he is english and stubborn so that admission
hurt big time).

When getting out of a car, don't put your leg down and then turn your body.
Turn your whole body and then put down both legs at the same time (will save
your back too)

Hope these things will help things a bit. It is work - I won't kid you but
they are things that will help to get the things you want back. I have
experience with this. Couldn't do without my meds but these things are the
little things that have helped me to continue quilting even through the past
year and a half when everything has gone wrong and I can barely walk or
type. Don't forget that timer - it is important!

Keep your head up and a sense of humour too. That will get you through.
Glad to see you hear - hope I didn't sound preachy but sounded helpful. I
taught these things through the arthritis self management program - another
invaluable program done through the arthritis foundation. If you can find
this in your community it is an incredible program and no you won't be the
youngest in your group - I was 37 when I got this disease.

kelly

<rfdjr1@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:n8t5r25frgcipff9g6gqs71aaaep0dpsnf@4ax.com...
> Yes, I am legit and not a spammer. And the pain in my knees and hands is
> real. I
> have a doctors appoinment Monday and I am going to ask for a referral to a
> specialist. The thing that is bothering me most is tha I play the guitar
> and
> banjo and can hardly do anything with either one now and I'd love to get
> back
> into it just for my own enjoyment.
>
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:36:57 -0500, rfdjr1@optonline.net wrote:
>
>>Hi. I have arthritis in my knees and my hands. I'm a 60 year old male.
>>I've
>>never been to a specialist, but my regular Doctor says there's not much I
>>can
>>take for it because I'm allergic to aspirin and ibuprofen, so I should
>>just take
>>Tylenol which doesn't do anything for me. I was looking at some OTC meds
>>which
>>claim to relubricate joints, but they have a warning that they contain
>>shellfish
>>ingredients, and yes, I'm allergic to shellfish too. Before I spend money
>>on a
>>specialist, is there any meds out there that might do me some good? Thanks
>>for
>>any input.

>
>



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Old 01-21-2007, 07:08 AM
Nanny
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Hey, we have another banjo player over on alt.med.fibromyalgia, LorieB.
Maybe you can learn how she copes over on that newsgroup. Nanny
<rfdjr1@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> Yes, I am legit and not a spammer. And the pain in my knees and hands is
> real. I
> have a doctors appoinment Monday and I am going to ask for a referral to a
> specialist. The thing that is bothering me most is tha I play the guitar
> and
> banjo and can hardly do anything with either one now and I'd love to get
> back
> into it just for my own enjoyment.
>
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:36:57 -0500, rfdjr1@optonline.net wrote:
>
>>Hi. I have arthritis in my knees and my hands. I'm a 60 year old male.
>>I've
>>never been to a specialist, but my regular Doctor says there's not much I
>>can
>>take for it because I'm allergic to aspirin and ibuprofen, so I should
>>just take
>>Tylenol which doesn't do anything for me. I was looking at some OTC meds
>>which
>>claim to relubricate joints, but they have a warning that they contain
>>shellfish
>>ingredients, and yes, I'm allergic to shellfish too. Before I spend money
>>on a
>>specialist, is there any meds out there that might do me some good? Thanks
>>for
>>any input.

>
>



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Old 01-21-2007, 07:08 AM
Nanny
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I agree with you. He sure didn't sound like he's selling anything, by his
first post. Nanny
<shenmei9wise@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Baby/bathwater time, guys. No reason at all that I can see to think
> our oroginal poster is anything other than legit. Let's make sure he
> feels welcome. Jeff is certainly difficult but he doesn't get to
> hijack this thread.
>
> m
> rfdjr1@optonline.net wrote:
>> Hi. I have arthritis in my knees and my hands. I'm a 60 year old male.
>> I've
>> never been to a specialist, but my regular Doctor says there's not much I
>> can
>> take for it because I'm allergic to aspirin and ibuprofen, so I should
>> just take
>> Tylenol which doesn't do anything for me. I was looking at some OTC meds
>> which
>> claim to relubricate joints, but they have a warning that they contain
>> shellfish
>> ingredients, and yes, I'm allergic to shellfish too. Before I spend money
>> on a
>> specialist, is there any meds out there that might do me some good?
>> Thanks for
>> any input.

>



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Old 01-21-2007, 09:32 AM
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Jeff wrote:
<crap snipped>

Great, another Australian con-man giving our great nation a bad
reputation. "Jeff", please go fuck yourself, and you can keep the
details of the encounter to yourself.

Ari
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Old 01-21-2007, 08:31 PM
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rfdjr1@optonline.net wrote:

> Yes, I am legit and not a spammer. And the pain in my knees and hands is real.


I believe the criticism was aimed at another poster following you, but
it was confusing.

Good for you in seeing the doctor. Hope you can get back to playing
the instruments.


.... I'm an accomplished musician. I play the radio, records, tapes,
CD's.

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Old 01-22-2007, 05:51 PM
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I am glad you asked to see a specialist...and another thing to keep in
mind...all doctors are not created equal..LOL I know from experience...I
fired my first Rhuemy...so don't be easily dismissed by an uncaring
one...Just BE AWARE...If you feel you are being dismissed...find another
one..
Hand pain...I didn't know that OA could make your hands hurts so darn
bad...Yikes...this winter has been hard on my hands...
Hope you get some help soon...
Welcome to our group...I hope that you realize we were talking about the
$^$^%$% Troller and not you...
If you use OE you can killfile him...I usually do that instead of responding
to the idiots...
Cindy

<rfdjr1@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> Hi. I have arthritis in my knees and my hands. I'm a 60 year old male.

I've
> never been to a specialist, but my regular Doctor says there's not much I

can
> take for it because I'm allergic to aspirin and ibuprofen, so I should

just take
> Tylenol which doesn't do anything for me. I was looking at some OTC meds

which
> claim to relubricate joints, but they have a warning that they contain

shellfish
> ingredients, and yes, I'm allergic to shellfish too. Before I spend money

on a
> specialist, is there any meds out there that might do me some good? Thanks

for
> any input.
>



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Old 01-24-2007, 12:28 AM
Paul T. Holland
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jeff, jeff, jeff - you really are a slow learner aren't you spammer?

rule number one: spammers lie

remember how you got spanked here and over in the other froup? so now
you're a year older - but just as dumb...

well - guess we just have to let folks here know, once again, who you
are -

a commercial scamming, take their money, spammer/sockpuppet using/ lying
troll who got laughed at because he is a proven liar, and and now a
fool:

abuse@iinet.net.au
spam@uce.gov
groups-abuse@google.com

spammer jeff watkinson has on several occasions over the months posted
commercial product spam in violation of the usenet charter for:

misc.health.arthritis, alt.support.arthritis, and also posted similar
spams in
other newsgroups. and then wants to argue about whether it's spam.

for a listing of his earlier usenet spam posts see:

http://tinyurl.com/equru

he tried to 'scam' his way and lied:

"I logged on to www.itcanthurt.com and ordered their product called o2b
Gel."

'logged on'??? in fact he 'is' the website being spammed:
http://www.itcanthurt.com/

Domain name: itcanthurt.com
Administrative Contact:
Graphics On Demand mcmak2@gmail.com
Hostmaster, Hostmaster
5 Royal Parade
Caulfield South, NA 3162
AU
+6195281940 Fax:
----------------------------------------
Cab_Savvy <jeff@god.net.au>

Domain Name: god.net.au
Last Modified: 11-Aug-2006 12:02:41 UTC
Registrar ID: R00015-AR
Registrar Name: NetRegistry
Status: OK
Registrant: Jeff Watkinson
Registrant ID: ABN 33271452514

"Jeff Watkinson @ Graphics On Demand"

'god.net.au' aka 'graphics on demand' aka 'itcanthurt.com' aka jeff
watkinson

he is also "Aloe"

http://tinyurl.com/outa2
or:

http://groups.google.com.au/group/al...3a69c466e82b3e

he has tried to scam using sockpuppets, in more than one newsgroup, to
write to
himself as both 'aloe' and 'vera' with the addy of
<naturally4good.com>

http://tinyurl.com/el7ps

Domain name: naturally4good.com
Administrative Contact:
Graphics On Demand mcmak2@gmail.com
Hostmaster, Hostmaster
5 Royal Parade
South Caulfield, NA 3162
AU
61395281940 Fax


scamming...sock puppets...spamming...troll...all around typical putz.

but do have a nice day

paul

Jeff wrote:
>
> rfdjr1@optonline.net wrote:
> > Hi. I have arthritis in my knees and my hands. I'm a 60 year old male. I've
> > never been to a specialist, but my regular Doctor says there's not much I can
> > take for it because I'm allergic to aspirin and ibuprofen, so I should just take
> > Tylenol which doesn't do anything for me. I was looking at some OTC meds which
> > claim to relubricate joints, but they have a warning that they contain shellfish
> > ingredients, and yes, I'm allergic to shellfish too. Before I spend money on a
> > specialist, is there any meds out there that might do me some good? Thanks for
> > any input.

>
> Hi rfdjr
>
> I am 50 and had debilitating arthritis in my hands. The condition has
> gone away to the point where I only have memories of the problem,
> especially when I read about your state.
>
> 1. I don't trust doctors. They will do whatever they can to keep you
> mystified and comming back for more treatment.
>
> 2. I have had experience with this newsgroup and it seems to be totally
> occupied by victims of arthritis and have no concept of a cure. They
> are convinced that it is a condition that will never go away. This is a
> group of people that only want to discuss problems and not cures.
>
> 3. The only reason I am contacting you is because Google has just sent
> me an update to this newsgroup. I am saddened to see the same twisted
> individuals discussing the same helpless scenarios as they were 6
> months ago and will be in 6 months time. They obviously want their
> problem to continue so they can feel connected to a group of inflicted
> individuals. They don't want to get well because that will mean they
> will lose their sense of importance.
>
> 4. If you REALLY want to overcome your arthritis for good feel free to
> contact me any time.
>
> Jeff Watkinson
> jeff@god.net.au

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Old 01-28-2007, 10:12 PM
Paul T. Holland
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gosh jeff - so you are not a spammer?


rfdjr1@optonline.net wrote:
>
> Yes, I am legit and not a spammer.


let's review just one of your statements:

"I logged on to www.itcanthurt.com and ordered their product called o2b
Gel."

it's 'your' website - that makes you both a spammer, 'and' the lie
makes you a scammer...


how do you reconcile this denial with the clear record of commercial
posts, use of sockpuppets, and lying about your website that you have
employed over the past year?

now, let me also post here in the 'group your email to me, with a few
comments form me to go along with:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Subject: Accusations of spamming
>Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:02:45 +1100
>From: "Jeff Watkinson" <jeff@god.net.au>
>To: "Paul T. Holland" <pholland@bellatlantic.net>



>Hi Paul,


>What happens after you have read this email is entirely up to you.



>I logged into a newsgroup with the intention of helping people with a common problem



>- Arthritis. Yes to >do that people would have to>pay a small charge for an undoubtedly effective product.



>Then along comes Paul T. Holland who took great >delight in keeping
>everyone in the newsgroup in the dark



>while making me look like a spammer and violating your 'charter'.



>Well, Paul in response to your last post I intend to post the following information about you.


[he then goes on to re-post/list the 'oh so oft' posted personal
information that 'someone' continues to email to spammers/scammers]

email continues:

>You probably don't care and I certainly don't, except I think it is fair if you are telling everyone >about me I do the same to you.



>I don't know what your affliction is, if any, and quite frankly couldn't care


>less except to say that the only reason I am sending you this courtesy email



>is because you have turned a molehill into a mountain for the sake of your own apparent credibility.



>All the best, I hope you get better soon.




>Jeff



there it is - one more spammer venting their spleen and trying to lie
their way out of it

gosh but it is so predictable....
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