Bloodletting Alone Is Necessary and Sufficient

> Harv, at some point, couldn't you just report him and stop feeding him
> for a while?
>
> I'm pretty sure being ignored would upset him as much if not more than
> all the name calling.
>
> Consider this a request for everyone to put their favorite trolls away for
> a few days and enjoy the weekend.
>
> Jo

I have not responded to him lately but to others that think they can respond
to him like a normal person does and end up being abused with foul language
from a sick mind. I have given them a way to actually do something about
him. I am sorry that it tires you of the battle for minds and with a sick
mind. I will try to make it less in our newsgroup but then you or diane g
or someone else will think they can talk sense with him and end up getting
verbally abused and I get angry again. So it goes.
Harv

Arguing on the Internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. You may
win, but you are still retarded.

Fred.

On Jul 2, 6:14*pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@gawab.com> wrote:
thrombosis <<

"Iron chelators may be effective in preventing vascular damage"

Hemoglobin. 2008;32(1-2):123-34
Can iron chelators influence the progression of atherosclerosis?

Marx JJ, Kartikasari AE, Georgiou NA.

Eijkman Winkler Institute, University Medical Centre Utrecht,
Utrecht,
The Netherlands. m...@planet.nl

Epidemiological studies and experimental data suggest iron
involvement
in atherosclerosis.
The relation between iron and atherosclerosis is complex and remains
contradictory.
In thalassemia patients, non transferrin bound iron (NTBI) and free
hemoglobin (Hb) are present in plasma and may accelerate
atherogenesis, but its progression may be inhibited by iron
chelators.
The mechanism whereby iron may stimulate atherogenesis has been
intensively investigated.
Non transferrin bound iron and sera from subjects with
hemochromatosis
induced endothelial activation with expression of vascular adhesion
molecules and endothelial inflammatory chemokines.
Such events could be inhibited by iron chelators and oxygen radical
scavengers with intracellular activity.
Iron chelators may be effective in preventing vascular damage in
patients with high concentrations of NTBI as found in thalassemia.


Publication Types:
Review


PMID: 18274990 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

--------------------------------------------

http://taxol.com/research/disease_ar...hrombosis.html

Atherosclerosis/Thrombosis

Cardiovascular disease is the leading cause of death in the developed
world and has been for decades.
Nearly 2,500 Americans die of cardiovascular disease each day, an
average of one death every 35 seconds.
Each year, cardiovascular disease claims more lives than the next
leading causes of death combined.
Two major aspects of the disease are atherosclerosis and thrombosis.
Atherosclerosis refers to the progressive thickening and hardening of
the walls of medium-sized and large arteries caused by fat deposits on
their inner lining. Thrombosis is the formation or presence of a blood
clot in a blood vessel.
------------------------------

Flavonoids To Be Medicines For Iron Overload

http://tinyurl.com/6zllfh

Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh


Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk





> On Jul 2, 6:01*pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@gawab.com> wrote:thrombosis<<
>
> Anti-atherosclerotic and anti-diabetic properties of probucol and
> related compounds
> Authors: Tanous, David1; Hime, Neil2; Stocker, Roland3
>
> Source: Redox Report, Volume 13, Number 2, April 2008 , pp. 48-59(12)
>
> Abstract:
>
> Probucol is a diphenolic compound with anti-oxidant and anti-
> inflammatory properties that reduces atherosclerosis and restenosis.
> Unfortunately, adverse effects on blood lipoproteins and cardiac
> electrophysiology have curtailed its use as a drug.
> Compounds related to probucol that have improved efficacy without the
> adverse effects offer promise as novel therapies of cardiovascular
> disease.
> Recent results suggest that these compounds may be used for the
> prevention of type 2 diabetes, a disease that is increasing in
> prevalence and importance world-wide.
> In this review, the molecular mechanisms underlying the beneficial
> activities of probucol and related compounds are described.
> Keywords: PROBUCOL; TYPE 2 DIABETES; ATHEROSCLEROSIS
>
> Document Type: Review article
>
> DOI: 10.1179/135100008X259196
>
> Affiliations: 1: Toronto Congenital Cardiac Centre for Adults,
> Toronto
> General Hospital, University Health Network, Toronto, Canada 2:
> Centre
> for Vascular Research, Bosch Institute and Discipline of Pathology,
> The University of Sydney, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia 3:
> Centre
> for Vascular Research, Bosch Institute and Discipline of Pathology,
> The University of Sydney, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia.
> rstoc...@med.usyd.edu.au
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ynpdhm
>
> "Iron-chelating agents, N-acetyl-L-cysteine (NAC), apocynin,probucol,
> and edaravone, are useful in preventing cardiovascular injury and
> diseases."
>
> Recent Patents on Anti-Infective Drug Discovery, 2006, 1,
> 17-31171574-891X/06 $100.00+.00(c) 2006 Bentham Science Publishers
> Ltd.Recent Progress in Pharmacological Research of Antioxidants
> inPathological Conditions: Cardiovascular Health
> ---------------------------------
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

ah i notice that you have added another slur to your vocabulary tommy

'retard' eh?

now, let us suppose that those individuals were in fact cognitively less
than average...calling them 'retard' is nothing but a form of bigotry on
your part. jeering at what they 'are' from birth.

conversely, let us suppose that they are 'not' cognitively less than
average -

in that case your slur is 'still' evidence of bigotry, in that you find
it acceptable to demean a class of people who are 'born' with a given
condition by 'using' their condition to jeer at another.

you try to use bigotry as a weapon - it only shows you for what you are.

ironjustice wrote:
>
> On Jul 4, 7:11 am, "Robert Miles" <robertmi...@bellsouthNOSPAM.net>
> wrote:
> she/he/it posted? <<
>
> Hey Robert ..
>
> You seem to be talking to another one of your .. friends .. on the
> retarded list ..
>
> WH?AT do you .. **expect** ..
>
> One retard talking to another retard .. wonder out loud .. why the
> thread keeps going on ..
>
> ???
>
> Evidence of retardedness ..
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
> http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!
> http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
> http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

hi jo - i 'do' understand your [ and others] issue

'any' reply to tom - pointing out actual science that disagrees with
his theories, or not letting him get a free pass with the bigoted
remarks is,

i have no doubt, both boring and irksome to those not also engaged.

i leave the majority of his posts alone - but some are so far off the
mark that good information goes bad, and/or his bigotry should 'not',
imo, be given a pass.

please know that the primary reason(s) for replies [in my case] is when
i find egregiously wrong correlation's being made that 'could' totally
misinform a newbie - and secondly, replies to his slurs to keep the
record current as to his abuse.

perhaps it's just my own background, but i find it extremely difficult
to sit by when he starts with the slurs - i think that there are a whole
lot of lurkers who blink a lot reading some of that bilge - every once
in while it's important to rise up and say - no - to that sort of thing.

i don't want to upset you, or anyone else - so i'll try to rein it in a
tad...but do know that the bigotry rankles too much to ignore.

be well

paul
Jofirey wrote:
>
> Paul, I don't want to kill file you. But replies like this get to be
> too, too much after a while.
>
> I've got the idiot kill filed. As well as reported.
>
> Please stop feeding him for a while.
>
> Jo
> "Paul T. Holland" <pholland@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
> news:486D5BEB.989590FD@bellatlantic.net...
> > questioning your homophobic slurs is whack? then so be it -
> >
> > do tell us how it 'feels' each time you write a slur tommy -
> >
> > does it excite you to say those things?
> >
> > are you afraid of your own impulses tom?
> >
> > it that why you write bigoted things?
> >
> > have you always been a bigot?
> >
> > ironjustice wrote:
> >>
> >> On Jul 3, 1:10 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
> >> wrote: long winded whack <<
> >>
> >> Who loves ya.
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
> >> http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
> >>
> >> Man Is A Herbivore!
> >> http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
> >>
> >> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
> >> http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

((((((((((((((jo)))))))))))))

Jofirey wrote:
>
> "Harvey R. Stone" <hrstone@swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:%yobk.14494$N87.9589@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> >
> > "Jofirey" <jofirey@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:Ejfbk.13088$uE5.7717@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
> >> Paul, I don't want to kill file you. But replies like this get to
> >> be too, too much after a while.
> >>
> >> I've got the idiot kill filed. As well as reported.
> >>
> >> Please stop feeding him for a while.
> >>
> >> Jo
> >
> > I know how you feel,,, I understand how you fell. I wish you had
> > not replied to Paul and the reasons are the replies you are going to
> > read from rusty.
>
> But that's just it Harv. I'm not. I have him kill filed. And I just
> kill file him again without reading his posts when he morphs.
>
> However, I do value your posts as well as Paul's and a few others that
> see fit to keep answering him.
>
> So that's when I get a face full of venom, not from ironidiot.

On Jul 4, 7:03*am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
thrombosis101 <<

http://www.bioscience.org/1999/v4/e/...m/fulltext.htm

1. ABSTRACT

Free radicals are involved in the formation of both atherosclerosis
and thrombosis. Therefore, considerable interest has recently been
aroused by their role in the development of ischemic cerebral injury.
Experimental observations suggest that antioxidants could reduce
cerebral arterial vasospasm, reduce infarct size and prevent the
development of both atherosclerosis and thrombosis.


Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh


Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk


> On Jul 3, 5:20*pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@cashette.com> wrote:
> thrombosis101 <<
>
> http://siberiantigernaturals.com/omega3.htm
>
> "In nature found in most green leafy vegetables"
>
> Omega-3 Fatty Acids and Health: an Overview
>
> Anti-clotting (thrombolytic) effect: Omega-3s help to avoidthrombosis
> (formation of blood clots) by preventing platelets (thrombocytes) from
> sticking together and forming blood clots. Blood clots, which may
> result in stroke, heart attack, or pulmonary embolism (PE), are the #1
> cause of death in thw Western world, but most of them are preventable
> by including omega-3 fatty acids and other anti-clotting foods and
> supplements into one's diet.
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 3:31*pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@cashette.com> wrote:
> > thrombosis101 <<
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/5jjr3p
>
> > Venous Thromboembolic Disease
>
> > DEFINITION
> > "Blood clot"
> > Deep veinthrombosis(DVT) and pulmonary embolism represent different
> > manifestations of the same clinical entity, which is referred to as
> > venous thromboembolism.
> > "Blood clot"
> > In patients with this condition, venousthrombosisoccurs when red
> > blood cells, fibrin, and to a lesser extent platelets and leukocytes
> > form a mass within an intact cardiovascular system.
> > "Blood clot"
> > A proximal DVT in the leg is one that is located within the popliteal,
> > femoral (including the superficial femoral), or iliac veins.
> > "Blood clot in lung"
> > A pulmonary embolism occurs when a segment of a thrombus within the
> > deep venous system detaches from the vessel, travels to the lungs, and
> > lodges within the pulmonary arteries.
> > "Blood clots in legs go to lungs and kill you"
> > The pelvic and deep veins of the lower extremities are the source of
> > more than 70% of all pulmonary emboli.1
> > "Blood clots in heart"
> > The superior vena cava, upper extremity veins, and right chambers of
> > the heart are less common sources.
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
> > > On Jul 3, 7:46*am, ironjustice <ironjust...@cashette.com> wrote:
> > >thrombosis<<
>
> > > Increased red blood cells causethrombosis.
> > > THAT is **precisely** WHY .. epo .. 'fell from grace'.
> > > Epo builds red blood cells and it causes ..thrombosis.
>
> > > Black Box Warning Ordered for Aranesp, Epogen, and Procrit
> > > By Peggy Peck, Managing Editor, MedPage Today
> > > Published: March 09, 2007
> > > Reviewed by Robert Jasmer, MD; Associate Clinical Professor of
> > > Medicine, University of California, San Francisco *Earn CME/CE credit
> > > for reading medical news
>
> > >http://www.medpagetoday.com/ProductA...ptions/tb/5231
>
> > > ROCKVILLE, Md., March 9 -- The FDA warned today that aggressive use of
> > > erythropoiesis-stimulating agents to raise hemoglobin to a target of
> > > 12 g/dL or higher was associated with "serious and life-threatening
> > > side-effects and/or death."
>
> > > The warning states:
>
> > > Avoid serious cardiovascular and arterial and venous thromboembolic
> > > events by using the lowest dose of Aranesp, Epogen, or Procrit that
> > > will gradually raise the hemoglobin concentration to the lowest level
> > > sufficient to avoid the need for blood transfusion.
>
> > > Who loves ya.
> > > Tom
>
> > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> > > Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
> > > > On Jul 3, 7:28*am, "Robert Miles" <robertmi...@bellsouthNOSPAM.net>
> > > > wrote:[snip] Off topic in alt.support.diabetes too.<<
>
> > > > Meet Robert .. he knows NOTHING about diabetes .. he only .. has
> > > > diabetes.
> > > > Through .. stupidity .. evidentally ..
> > > > --------------------------------
> > > > Diabetes Raises the Risk ofThrombosisin Atheromatous Coronary
> > > > Arteries
>
> > > > A study was undertaken at the Massachusetts General Hospital to
> > > > quantify the lipid composition and macrophage infiltration in
> > > > atheromatous plaques of culprit coronary arteries removed from 47
> > > > patients diagnosed with diabetes who were subjected to atherectomy for
> > > > acute ischemic events. Lesions were also studied from 48 nondiabetic
> > > > patients matched clinically and demographically with the diabetic
> > > > patients.
>
> > > > Four types of tissue in atheromatous plaque were identified by
> > > > staining: tissue with few cells and densely-stained collagen; tissue
> > > > with abundant smooth muscle cells and a loose connective tissue
> > > > matrix; lipid-rich atheroma with acellular debris, cholesterol clefts,
> > > > and no preserved connective tissue matrix; and thrombus.
>
> > > > It was found that lipid-rich atheroma and macrophages occupied larger
> > > > percentages of total area of specimens from diabetic than nondiabetic
> > > > patients. The incidence of thrombus was greater in diabetic than in
> > > > nondiabetic subjects (62% vs 40%, P=0.04). Whether diabetic patients
> > > > had been treated with insulin, a sulfonylurea, or diet had no effect
> > > > on plaque composition, macrophage infiltration, or thrombus presence.
>
> > > > The finding that coronary tissue from patients diagnosed with diabetes
> > > > exhibits a larger content of lipid-rich atheroma, macrophage
> > > > infiltration, and subsequentthrombosisthan tissue from patients
> > > > without diabetes suggests that diabetes increases vulnerability for
> > > > coronarythrombosis.
>
> > > > Moreno PR, Murcia AM, Palacios IF, et al. Coronary composition and
> > > > macrophage infiltration in atherectomy specimens from patients with
> > > > diabetes mellitus. Circulation. 2000;102:2180-2184.
> > > > The above summary is adapted from the cited reference.
>
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------****-----
> > > > * *Additional Information
> > > > * Diabetes Accelerates Smooth Muscle Accumulation in Lesions of
> > > > Atherosclerosis: Lack of Direct Growth-Promoting Effects of High
> > > > Glucose Levels
>
> > > > *Cardiologists Should Become as Familiar With Diabetes as They Are
> > > > With Dyslipidemia and Hypertension
>
> > > > *Coronary Atherosclerosis in Type 2 Diabetes: Angiographic Findings
> > > > and Clinical Outcome
>
> > > > Who loves ya.
> > > > Tom
>
> > > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> > > > Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> > > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
> > > > > "Harvey R. Stone" <hrst...@swbell.net> wrote in messagenewsr3bk..6309$LG4.1736@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc. com...> Reported for being off topic in Alt..support.arthritis,,,, cross posting
> > > > > > after being warned not to do it.
>
> > > > > > Path:
> > > > > > nlpi059.nbdc.sbc.com!nlpi062.nbdc.sbc.com!prodigy. com!nlpi057.nbdc.sbc.com!*****prodigy.net!border1. nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.g o*o*g*l*e*.com!l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
> > > > > > From: ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com>
>
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > > Off topic in alt.support.diabetes too. *Has ignored requests not to
> > > > > post off topic messages there.
>
> > > > > Note that groups-ab...@google.com is slow and not very effective
> > > > > *at responding to reports of spam posted through Google groups,so
> > > > > I would expect them to be unlikely to act on reports of being offtopic.
> > > > > However, it does help to report the same spammers over and over
> > > > > for different messages for at least 6 weeks, so perhaps
> > > > > groups-ab...@google.com just can't keep up with reading all their
> > > > > incoming mail.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On Jul 6, 1:09 pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote: iron
chelation prevents thrombosis <<

"Deferoxamine (DFX) prevented thrombosis"

Free radical attenuation prevents thrombosis and enables photochemical
inhibition of vein graft intimal hyperplasia.
Journal of Vascular Surgery
Giuseppe R Nigri, MD, PhDa, Sylvie Kossodo, PhDa, Peter Waterman, BSa,
Patrick Fungaloi, MDa, Glenn M LaMuraglia, MDa
Volume 39, Issue 4, Pages 843-849 (April 2004)

Received 4 September 2003; accepted 11 November 2003.

Abstract
Objective
Photodynamic therapy (PDT) inhibits post-interventional stenosis in
balloon-injured arteries, but causes thrombosis when applied to vein
grafts. This may result from added free radicals produced during the
hypoxia-reperfusion injury of vein graft implantation. The purposes of
this study were to determine whether a free radical scavenger could
inhibit vein graft thrombosis, enabling PDT to inhibit intimal
hyperplasia; and to investigate the role of neutrophils, also a source
of radicals, in this setting.

Methods
Jugular vein bypass grafts of the common carotid artery were performed
in rats. PDT was administered in situ to the vein graft and artery in
the presence or absence of deferoxamine (DFX), an OH- scavenger.

Results
PDT alone induced thrombosis in all untreated vein grafts. DFX
administration or inhibition of neutrophil adhesion to the graft
prevented PDT-induced vein graft thrombosis. Moreover, DFX given
together with PDT significantly decreased vein graft intimal
hyperplasia (0.010 mm2 ± 0.005 mm2; P < .002) as compared with DFX
alone (0.113 mm2 ± 0.009 mm2) or untreated control animals (0.112 ±
0.007 mm2).

Conclusions
OH- radicals and neutrophils both have key roles in PDT-induced vein
graft thrombosis. By inhibiting free radical production or neutrophil
adhesion to the graft, adequate PDT can be administered for successful
inhibition of vein graft intimal hyperplasia.

Available online Feb 6, 2004.

a Division of Vascular Surgery of General Surgical Services,
Massachusetts General Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Mass,
USA

Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh


Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk





> On Jul 4, 7:03 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> thrombosis101 <<
>
> http://www.bioscience.org/1999/v4/e/...m/fulltext.htm
>
> 1. ABSTRACT
>
> Free radicals are involved in the formation of both atherosclerosis
> and thrombosis. Therefore, considerable interest has recently been
> aroused by their role in the development of ischemic cerebral injury.
> Experimental observations suggest that antioxidants could reduce
> cerebral arterial vasospasm, reduce infarct size and prevent the
> development of both atherosclerosis and thrombosis.
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 5:20 pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@cashette.com> wrote:
> > thrombosis101 <<
>
> >http://siberiantigernaturals.com/omega3.htm
>
> > "In nature found in most green leafy vegetables"
>
> > Omega-3 Fatty Acids and Health: an Overview
>
> > Anti-clotting (thrombolytic) effect: Omega-3s help to avoidthrombosis
> > (formation of blood clots) by preventing platelets (thrombocytes) from
> > sticking together and forming blood clots. Blood clots, which may
> > result in stroke, heart attack, or pulmonary embolism (PE), are the #1
> > cause of death in thw Western world, but most of them are preventable
> > by including omega-3 fatty acids and other anti-clotting foods and
> > supplements into one's diet.
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
> > > On Jul 3, 3:31 pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@cashette.com> wrote:
> > > thrombosis101 <<
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/5jjr3p
>
> > > Venous Thromboembolic Disease
>
> > > DEFINITION
> > > "Blood clot"
> > > Deep veinthrombosis(DVT) and pulmonary embolism represent different
> > > manifestations of the same clinical entity, which is referred to as
> > > venous thromboembolism.
> > > "Blood clot"
> > > In patients with this condition, venousthrombosisoccurs when red
> > > blood cells, fibrin, and to a lesser extent platelets and leukocytes
> > > form a mass within an intact cardiovascular system.
> > > "Blood clot"
> > > A proximal DVT in the leg is one that is located within the popliteal,
> > > femoral (including the superficial femoral), or iliac veins.
> > > "Blood clot in lung"
> > > A pulmonary embolism occurs when a segment of a thrombus within the
> > > deep venous system detaches from the vessel, travels to the lungs, and
> > > lodges within the pulmonary arteries.
> > > "Blood clots in legs go to lungs and kill you"
> > > The pelvic and deep veins of the lower extremities are the source of
> > > more than 70% of all pulmonary emboli.1
> > > "Blood clots in heart"
> > > The superior vena cava, upper extremity veins, and right chambers of
> > > the heart are less common sources.
>
> > > Who loves ya.
> > > Tom
>
> > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> > > Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
> > > > On Jul 3, 7:46 am, ironjustice <ironjust...@cashette.com> wrote:
> > > >thrombosis<<
>
> > > > Increased red blood cells causethrombosis.
> > > > THAT is **precisely** WHY .. epo .. 'fell from grace'.
> > > > Epo builds red blood cells and it causes ..thrombosis.
>
> > > > Black Box Warning Ordered for Aranesp, Epogen, and Procrit
> > > > By Peggy Peck, Managing Editor, MedPage Today
> > > > Published: March 09, 2007
> > > > Reviewed by Robert Jasmer, MD; Associate Clinical Professor of
> > > > Medicine, University of California, San Francisco Earn CME/CE credit
> > > > for reading medical news
>
> > > >http://www.medpagetoday.com/ProductA...ptions/tb/5231
>
> > > > ROCKVILLE, Md., March 9 -- The FDA warned today that aggressive useof
> > > > erythropoiesis-stimulating agents to raise hemoglobin to a target of
> > > > 12 g/dL or higher was associated with "serious and life-threatening
> > > > side-effects and/or death."
>
> > > > The warning states:
>
> > > > Avoid serious cardiovascular and arterial and venous thromboembolic
> > > > events by using the lowest dose of Aranesp, Epogen, or Procrit that
> > > > will gradually raise the hemoglobin concentration to the lowest level
> > > > sufficient to avoid the need for blood transfusion.
>
> > > > Who loves ya.
> > > > Tom
>
> > > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> > > > Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> > > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
> > > > > On Jul 3, 7:28 am, "Robert Miles" <robertmi...@bellsouthNOSPAM.net>
> > > > > wrote:[snip] Off topic in alt.support.diabetes too.<<
>
> > > > > Meet Robert .. he knows NOTHING about diabetes .. he only .. has
> > > > > diabetes.
> > > > > Through .. stupidity .. evidentally ..
> > > > > --------------------------------
> > > > > Diabetes Raises the Risk ofThrombosisin Atheromatous Coronary
> > > > > Arteries
>
> > > > > A study was undertaken at the Massachusetts General Hospital to
> > > > > quantify the lipid composition and macrophage infiltration in
> > > > > atheromatous plaques of culprit coronary arteries removed from 47
> > > > > patients diagnosed with diabetes who were subjected to atherectomy for
> > > > > acute ischemic events. Lesions were also studied from 48 nondiabetic
> > > > > patients matched clinically and demographically with the diabetic
> > > > > patients.
>
> > > > > Four types of tissue in atheromatous plaque were identified by
> > > > > staining: tissue with few cells and densely-stained collagen; tissue
> > > > > with abundant smooth muscle cells and a loose connective tissue
> > > > > matrix; lipid-rich atheroma with acellular debris, cholesterol clefts,
> > > > > and no preserved connective tissue matrix; and thrombus.
>
> > > > > It was found that lipid-rich atheroma and macrophages occupied larger
> > > > > percentages of total area of specimens from diabetic than nondiabetic
> > > > > patients. The incidence of thrombus was greater in diabetic than in
> > > > > nondiabetic subjects (62% vs 40%, P=0.04). Whether diabetic patients
> > > > > had been treated with insulin, a sulfonylurea, or diet had no effect
> > > > > on plaque composition, macrophage infiltration, or thrombus presence.
>
> > > > > The finding that coronary tissue from patients diagnosed with diabetes
> > > > > exhibits a larger content of lipid-rich atheroma, macrophage
> > > > > infiltration, and subsequentthrombosisthan tissue from patients
> > > > > without diabetes suggests that diabetes increases vulnerability for
> > > > > coronarythrombosis.
>
> > > > > Moreno PR, Murcia AM, Palacios IF, et al. Coronary composition and
> > > > > macrophage infiltration in atherectomy specimens from patients with
> > > > > diabetes mellitus. Circulation. 2000;102:2180-2184.
> > > > > The above summary is adapted from the cited reference.
>
> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Additional Information
> > > > > Diabetes Accelerates Smooth Muscle Accumulation in Lesions of
> > > > > Atherosclerosis: Lack of Direct Growth-Promoting Effects of High
> > > > > Glucose Levels
>
> > > > > Cardiologists Should Become as Familiar With Diabetes as They Are
> > > > > With Dyslipidemia and Hypertension
>
> > > > > Coronary Atherosclerosis in Type 2 Diabetes: Angiographic Findings
> > > > > and Clinical Outcome
>
> > > > > Who loves ya.
> > > > > Tom
>
> > > > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> > > > > Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> > > > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
> > > > > > "Harvey R. Stone" <hrst...@swbell.net> wrote in messagenewsr3bk.6309$LG4.1736@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.c om...> Reported for being off topic in Alt.support.arthritis,,,, cross posting
> > > > > > > after being warned not to do it.
>
> > > > > > > Path:
> > > > > > > nlpi059.nbdc.sbc.com!nlpi062.nbdc.sbc.com!prodigy. com!nlpi057..nbdc.sbc.com!------prodigy.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.gig anews..com!postnews.g-o-o-g-l-e-.com!l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
> > > > > > > From: ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com>
>
> > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > Off topic in alt.support.diabetes too. Has ignored requests not to
> > > > > > post off topic messages there.
>
> > > > > > Note that groups-ab...@google.com is slow and not very effective
> > > > > > at responding to reports of spam posted through Google groups,so
> > > > > > I would expect them to be unlikely to act on reports of being off topic.
> > > > > > However, it does help to report the same spammers over and over
> > > > > > for different messages for at least 6 weeks, so perhaps
> > > > > > groups-ab...@google.com just can't keep up with reading all their
> > > > > > incoming mail.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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"Paul T. Holland" <pholland@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:4871221F.B9318A79@bellatlantic.net...
> ((((((((((((((jo)))))))))))))
>
Yes,,,, You can not do battle with trolls without getting a little dirty.
I am willing to take all that on myself and get beat up by my own people to
do what needs to be done in rustys case. I can not make you and people
like you and Paul stop feeding this troll....... I guess you have noticed
that he has not come back for a few days but still Paul responds to some
dig from the past by rusy....???????????? on and on it goes...... I can
only say that I love all of you. I can only say that I get just a little
too into the battle which effects things I say in other posts. I can only
say that I am sorry and I am sorry. So it goes.\
Harv

Keep on reporting Chief,,,,, We can only do what we can do.
Harv

"ironjustice" <ironjustice@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ae91c550-dc31-4ffb-8d18-ce433175af52@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 4, 7:03 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
thrombosis101 <<

http://www.bioscience.org/1999/v4/e/...m/fulltext.htm

1. ABSTRACT

Free radicals are involved in the formation of both atherosclerosis
and thrombosis. Therefore, considerable interest has recently been
aroused by their role in the development of ischemic cerebral injury.
Experimental observations suggest that antioxidants could reduce
cerebral arterial vasospasm, reduce infarct size and prevent the
development of both atherosclerosis and thrombosis.


Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh


Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk


> On Jul 3, 5:20 pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@cashette.com> wrote:
> thrombosis101 <<
>
> http://siberiantigernaturals.com/omega3.htm
>
> "In nature found in most green leafy vegetables"
>
> Omega-3 Fatty Acids and Health: an Overview
>
> Anti-clotting (thrombolytic) effect: Omega-3s help to avoidthrombosis
> (formation of blood clots) by preventing platelets (thrombocytes) from
> sticking together and forming blood clots. Blood clots, which may
> result in stroke, heart attack, or pulmonary embolism (PE), are the #1
> cause of death in thw Western world, but most of them are preventable
> by including omega-3 fatty acids and other anti-clotting foods and
> supplements into one's diet.
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 3:31 pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@cashette.com> wrote:
> > thrombosis101 <<
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/5jjr3p
>
> > Venous Thromboembolic Disease
>
> > DEFINITION
> > "Blood clot"
> > Deep veinthrombosis(DVT) and pulmonary embolism represent different
> > manifestations of the same clinical entity, which is referred to as
> > venous thromboembolism.
> > "Blood clot"
> > In patients with this condition, venousthrombosisoccurs when red
> > blood cells, fibrin, and to a lesser extent platelets and leukocytes
> > form a mass within an intact cardiovascular system.
> > "Blood clot"
> > A proximal DVT in the leg is one that is located within the popliteal,
> > femoral (including the superficial femoral), or iliac veins.
> > "Blood clot in lung"
> > A pulmonary embolism occurs when a segment of a thrombus within the
> > deep venous system detaches from the vessel, travels to the lungs, and
> > lodges within the pulmonary arteries.
> > "Blood clots in legs go to lungs and kill you"
> > The pelvic and deep veins of the lower extremities are the source of
> > more than 70% of all pulmonary emboli.1
> > "Blood clots in heart"
> > The superior vena cava, upper extremity veins, and right chambers of
> > the heart are less common sources.
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
> > > On Jul 3, 7:46 am, ironjustice <ironjust...@cashette.com> wrote:
> > >thrombosis<<
>
> > > Increased red blood cells causethrombosis.
> > > THAT is **precisely** WHY .. epo .. 'fell from grace'.
> > > Epo builds red blood cells and it causes ..thrombosis.
>
> > > Black Box Warning Ordered for Aranesp, Epogen, and Procrit
> > > By Peggy Peck, Managing Editor, MedPage Today
> > > Published: March 09, 2007
> > > Reviewed by Robert Jasmer, MD; Associate Clinical Professor of
> > > Medicine, University of California, San Francisco Earn CME/CE credit
> > > for reading medical news
>
> > >http://www.medpagetoday.com/ProductA...ptions/tb/5231
>
> > > ROCKVILLE, Md., March 9 -- The FDA warned today that aggressive use of
> > > erythropoiesis-stimulating agents to raise hemoglobin to a target of
> > > 12 g/dL or higher was associated with "serious and life-threatening
> > > side-effects and/or death."
>
> > > The warning states:
>
> > > Avoid serious cardiovascular and arterial and venous thromboembolic
> > > events by using the lowest dose of Aranesp, Epogen, or Procrit that
> > > will gradually raise the hemoglobin concentration to the lowest level
> > > sufficient to avoid the need for blood transfusion.
>
> > > Who loves ya.
> > > Tom
>
> > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> > > Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
> > > > On Jul 3, 7:28 am, "Robert Miles" <robertmi...@bellsouthNOSPAM.net>
> > > > wrote:[snip] Off topic in alt.support.diabetes too.<<
>
> > > > Meet Robert .. he knows NOTHING about diabetes .. he only .. has
> > > > diabetes.
> > > > Through .. stupidity .. evidentally ..
> > > > --------------------------------
> > > > Diabetes Raises the Risk ofThrombosisin Atheromatous Coronary
> > > > Arteries
>
> > > > A study was undertaken at the Massachusetts General Hospital to
> > > > quantify the lipid composition and macrophage infiltration in
> > > > atheromatous plaques of culprit coronary arteries removed from 47
> > > > patients diagnosed with diabetes who were subjected to atherectomy
> > > > for
> > > > acute ischemic events. Lesions were also studied from 48 nondiabetic
> > > > patients matched clinically and demographically with the diabetic
> > > > patients.
>
> > > > Four types of tissue in atheromatous plaque were identified by
> > > > staining: tissue with few cells and densely-stained collagen; tissue
> > > > with abundant smooth muscle cells and a loose connective tissue
> > > > matrix; lipid-rich atheroma with acellular debris, cholesterol
> > > > clefts,
> > > > and no preserved connective tissue matrix; and thrombus.
>
> > > > It was found that lipid-rich atheroma and macrophages occupied
> > > > larger
> > > > percentages of total area of specimens from diabetic than
> > > > nondiabetic
> > > > patients. The incidence of thrombus was greater in diabetic than in
> > > > nondiabetic subjects (62% vs 40%, P=0.04). Whether diabetic patients
> > > > had been treated with insulin, a sulfonylurea, or diet had no effect
> > > > on plaque composition, macrophage infiltration, or thrombus
> > > > presence.
>
> > > > The finding that coronary tissue from patients diagnosed with
> > > > diabetes
> > > > exhibits a larger content of lipid-rich atheroma, macrophage
> > > > infiltration, and subsequentthrombosisthan tissue from patients
> > > > without diabetes suggests that diabetes increases vulnerability for
> > > > coronarythrombosis.
>
> > > > Moreno PR, Murcia AM, Palacios IF, et al. Coronary composition and
> > > > macrophage infiltration in atherectomy specimens from patients with
> > > > diabetes mellitus. Circulation. 2000;102:2180-2184.
> > > > The above summary is adapted from the cited reference.
>
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------****-----
> > > > Additional Information
> > > > Diabetes Accelerates Smooth Muscle Accumulation in Lesions of
> > > > Atherosclerosis: Lack of Direct Growth-Promoting Effects of High
> > > > Glucose Levels
>
> > > > Cardiologists Should Become as Familiar With Diabetes as They Are
> > > > With Dyslipidemia and Hypertension
>
> > > > Coronary Atherosclerosis in Type 2 Diabetes: Angiographic Findings
> > > > and Clinical Outcome
>
> > > > Who loves ya.
> > > > Tom
>
> > > > Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> > > > Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> > > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
> > > > > "Harvey R. Stone" <hrst...@swbell.net> wrote in
> > > > > messagenewsr3bk.6309$LG4.1736@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.c om...> Reported
> > > > > for being off topic in Alt.support.arthritis,,,, cross posting
> > > > > > after being warned not to do it.
>
> > > > > > Path:
> > > > > > nlpi059.nbdc.sbc.com!nlpi062.nbdc.sbc.com!prodigy. com!nlpi057.nbdc.sbc.com!*****prodigy.net!border1. nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.g o*o*g*l*e*.com!l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
> > > > > > From: ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com>
>
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > > Off topic in alt.support.diabetes too. Has ignored requests not to
> > > > > post off topic messages there.
>
> > > > > Note that groups-ab...@google.com is slow and not very effective
> > > > > at responding to reports of spam posted through Google groups, so
> > > > > I would expect them to be unlikely to act on reports of being off
> > > > > topic.
> > > > > However, it does help to report the same spammers over and over
> > > > > for different messages for at least 6 weeks, so perhaps
> > > > > groups-ab...@google.com just can't keep up with reading all their
> > > > > incoming mail.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On Jul 7, 9:58*am, "Harvey R. Stone" <hrst...@swbell.net>
wrote:thrombosis101 <<

Stay OFF my threads.

http://www.bioscience.org/1999/v4/e/...m/fulltext.htm


1. ABSTRACT


Free radicals are involved in the formation of both atherosclerosis
and thrombosis. Therefore, considerable interest has recently been
aroused by their role in the development of ischemic cerebral injury.
Experimental observations suggest that antioxidants could reduce
cerebral arterial vasospasm, reduce infarct size and prevent the
development of both atherosclerosis and thrombosis.


Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh


Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

On Jul 7, 11:13*am, ironjustice <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
wrote: thrombosis101 <<

"Up to one third of the population have some degree of thrombophelia"

Deep Vein Thrombosis in Air Travellers
by Maurice McKeown, BDS, PhD

The problem of deep vein thrombosis (DVT) after airline travel rises
to public consciousness from time to time as the popular press report
stories about healthy young travellers succumbing to the condition, or
provide details of high profile cases going to court.

What is deep vein thrombosis?

In deep vein thrombosis a blood clot forms in one of the veins deep
inside the leg. It can occur at any age but is much more common in
older people. It can be caused by a wide variety of factors other than
air travel. The clot may break away from its position and travel
through the heart to the lung where it may cause severe symptoms which
can result in death.


Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh


Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk





>
> Stay OFF my threads.
>
> http://www.bioscience.org/1999/v4/e/...m/fulltext.htm
>
> 1. ABSTRACT
>
> Free radicals are involved in the formation of both atherosclerosis
> and thrombosis. Therefore, considerable interest has recently been
> aroused by their role in the development of ischemic cerebral injury.
> Experimental observations suggest that antioxidants could reduce
> cerebral arterial vasospasm, reduce infarct size and prevent the
> development of both atherosclerosis and thrombosis.
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

On Jul 7, 11:23*am, ironjustice <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
thrombosis101 <<

"The venesection group resulted in much better recovery"

Zhonghua Shen Jing Jing Shen Ke Za Zhi. 1990 Apr;23(2):84-6, 126.Links
[Hemodilution in the treatment of acute cerebral thrombosis][Article
in Chinese]

Luo H.
P.L.A 202th Hospital, ShenYang.

11 cases of acute cerebral thrombosis were treated with a combination
of venesection (400-800 ml of blood being let out at a time) and
administration of an equal volume of low-molecular weight dextran
solution
Thereafter 500 ml of the dextran solution was given to each patient
every day for 15 days.
A comparison was made between this group and another group of patients
who received just dextran.
In the venesection group the mean value of hemoglobin was reduced from
15 g% to 13 g%, that of hematocrit from 44.6% to 40%, and that of the
whole blood viscosity from 5.15 to 4.40.
The neurological scores showed marked changes after three days of
venesection. On the 21st day the scores in the venesection group
increased by 31.6% (20.1 points) and that in the control group
increased by 12.6% (7.7 points). Evidently the venesection group
resulted in much better recovery (P less than 0.001).

PMID: 1697233


Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh


Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

> On Jul 7, 11:13*am, ironjustice <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> *wrote: thrombosis101 <<
>
> "Up to one third of the population have some degree of thrombophelia"
>
> Deep Vein Thrombosis in Air Travellers
> by Maurice McKeown, BDS, PhD
>
> The problem of deep vein thrombosis (DVT) after airline travel rises
> to public consciousness from time to time as the popular press report
> stories about healthy young travellers succumbing to the condition, or
> provide details of high profile cases going to court.
>
> What is deep vein thrombosis?
>
> In deep vein thrombosis a blood clot forms in one of the veins deep
> inside the leg. It can occur at any age but is much more common in
> older people. It can be caused by a wide variety of factors other than
> air travel. The clot may break away from its position and travel
> through the heart to the lung where it may cause severe symptoms which
> can result in death.
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
>
>
>
>
> > Stay OFF my threads.
>
> >http://www.bioscience.org/1999/v4/e/...m/fulltext.htm
>
> > 1. ABSTRACT
>
> > Free radicals are involved in the formation of both atherosclerosis
> > and thrombosis. Therefore, considerable interest has recently been
> > aroused by their role in the development of ischemic cerebral injury.
> > Experimental observations suggest that antioxidants could reduce
> > cerebral arterial vasospasm, reduce infarct size and prevent the
> > development of both atherosclerosis and thrombosis.
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

ironjustice wrote:
>
> On Jul 7, 9:58 am, "Harvey R. Stone" <hrst...@swbell.net>
> wrote:thrombosis101 <<
>
> Stay OFF my threads.

he's not on your clothing tommy, though it is clear that you 'feel' that
your feet are getting stepped upon -

you don't have any 'right' to deny another the opportunity to respond in
an open forum

as suggested before, you are always entitled to start your own moderated
group and thus control anyone posting in a manner that you object to.
you can set one or more up on google, yahoo, and a myriad of other
forums of your choice.

that said - as long as you post in 'these' groups - others may, and
will, respond to your postings.



>
> http://www.bioscience.org/1999/v4/e/...m/fulltext.htm
>
> 1. ABSTRACT
>
> Free radicals are involved in the formation of both atherosclerosis
> and thrombosis. Therefore, considerable interest has recently been
> aroused by their role in the development of ischemic cerebral injury.
> Experimental observations suggest that antioxidants could reduce
> cerebral arterial vasospasm, reduce infarct size and prevent the
> development of both atherosclerosis and thrombosis.
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
> http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!
> http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
> http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

On Jul 7, 11:23 am, ironjustice <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
thrombosis101 <<

"Evidently the venesection group resulted in much better recovery"

[Hemodilution in the treatment of acute cerebral thrombosis]
Zhonghua Shen Jing Jing Shen Ke Za Zhi.
1990 Apr;23(2):84-6, 126.Links

Luo H.
P.L.A 202th Hospital, ShenYang.

11 cases of acute cerebral thrombosis were treated with a combination
of venesection (400-800 ml of blood being let out at a time) and
administration of an equal volume of low-molecular weight dextran
solution
Thereafter 500 ml of the dextran solution was given to each patient
every day for 15 days.
A comparison was made between this group and another group of patients
who received just dextran.
In the venesection group the mean value of hemoglobin was reduced from
15 g% to 13 g%, that of hematocrit from 44.6% to 40%, and that of the
whole blood viscosity from 5.15 to 4.40.
The neurological scores showed marked changes after three days of
venesection. On the 21st day the scores in the venesection group
increased by 31.6% (20.1 points) and that in the control group
increased by 12.6% (7.7 points).
Evidently the venesection group resulted in much better recovery (P
less than 0.001).

PMID: 1697233


Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh


Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk



> On Jul 7, 11:13 am, ironjustice <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> wrote: thrombosis101 <<
>
> "Up to one third of the population have some degree of thrombophelia"
>
> Deep Vein Thrombosis in Air Travellers
> by Maurice McKeown, BDS, PhD
>
> The problem of deep vein thrombosis (DVT) after airline travel rises
> to public consciousness from time to time as the popular press report
> stories about healthy young travellers succumbing to the condition, or
> provide details of high profile cases going to court.
>
> What is deep vein thrombosis?
>
> In deep vein thrombosis a blood clot forms in one of the veins deep
> inside the leg. It can occur at any age but is much more common in
> older people. It can be caused by a wide variety of factors other than
> air travel. The clot may break away from its position and travel
> through the heart to the lung where it may cause severe symptoms which
> can result in death.
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
>
>
>
>
> > Stay OFF my threads.
>
> >http://www.bioscience.org/1999/v4/e/...m/fulltext.htm
>
> > 1. ABSTRACT
>
> > Free radicals are involved in the formation of both atherosclerosis
> > and thrombosis. Therefore, considerable interest has recently been
> > aroused by their role in the development of ischemic cerebral injury.
> > Experimental observations suggest that antioxidants could reduce
> > cerebral arterial vasospasm, reduce infarct size and prevent the
> > development of both atherosclerosis and thrombosis.
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

ironjustice wrote:
> On Jul 7, 11:23 am, ironjustice <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
> thrombosis101 <<
>
>> What is deep vein thrombosis?
>>
>> In deep vein thrombosis a blood clot forms in one of the veins deep
>> inside the leg. It can occur at any age but is much more common in
>> older people. It can be caused by a wide variety of factors other than
>> air travel. The clot may break away from its position and travel
>> through the heart to the lung where it may cause severe symptoms which
>> can result in death.
>>

Speaking as someone who has experienced both DVT and pulmonary embolism
resulting there from I would like to point out that if somebody came to
me in the ER proposing that blood letting was the cure for what ailed me
I would get out of there quite quickly and find a way to get to a real
doctor.

It is entirely reasonable that if you bleed someone enough the DVT will
trouble them no longer, but the same could be said of taking large
quantities of barbiturates and it would probably be more pleasant, take
enough and the DVT will no longer be a problem.

Bur, please, feel free to rave on about this nonsense. Could be someone
will read it. Now, if you will excuse me I have a new mailer,
thunderbired, and haven't quite figured out where the bozo file is.
Bye......

harvey - just continue to be 'you' - that's pretty durned good in my
book

"Harvey R. Stone" wrote:
>
> "Paul T. Holland" <pholland@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
> news:4871221F.B9318A79@bellatlantic.net...
> > ((((((((((((((jo)))))))))))))
> >
> Yes,,,, You can not do battle with trolls without getting a little dirty.
> I am willing to take all that on myself and get beat up by my own people to
> do what needs to be done in rustys case. I can not make you and people
> like you and Paul stop feeding this troll....... I guess you have noticed
> that he has not come back for a few days but still Paul responds to some
> dig from the past by rusy....???????????? on and on it goes...... I can
> only say that I love all of you. I can only say that I get just a little
> too into the battle which effects things I say in other posts. I can only
> say that I am sorry and I am sorry. So it goes.\
> Harv