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Old 01-14-2007, 02:29 AM
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These 11 cases ALL showed increased .. iron stores / hyperferritinemia
..
AND .. again .. 'coincidentally' .. hypertransaminasemia WHICH .. again

... coincidentally .. is the ONLY marker which is DIAGNOSTIC of the
**lowering**
of **iron** .. in hepatitis ..

It falls as iron load falls in hepatitis patients treated for iron ..
load.

So the bottom line here is .. 'they' .. say Still's / juvenile
rheumatoid arthritis patients are ..
iron 'deficient' .. when in FACT hypertansaminasemia ..
is THE .. marker which .. DIAGNOSES .. iron **excess** in hepatitis ..
...
Throw in the fact .. Still's patients get .. RELIEF .. by .. using
chloroquine / sulfasalazine / aspirin / tetracycline iron binding
substances .. would give .. quite
a bit of .. **evidence** .. that **iron** is NOT .. 'deficient' .. but
is
ACTIVELY .. **involved** .. IN .. the disease .. COURSE ..


And the FACT one patient DIED .. due TO .. hepatitis MEANS the 'marker'
of Hypertransaminasemia .. {Hypertransaminasemia DIAGNOSTIC of
INCREASED iron in hepatitis] .. gives credence TO .. **excess** as
opposed to .. iron 'deficiency'.


[Adult Still's disease: study of a series of 11 cases]
Ben Taarit C, Turki S, Ben Maïz H
J Mal Vasc. 2002 Feb ; 27(1): 31-5


Adult Still's disease is a systemic disease of unknown etiology. We
report a retrospective study of 11 cases (9 females and 2 males) of
adult Still's disease collected during 25 years. The mean age was 36
years. Fever, arthritis and skin rash was constant. Adenopathies and
splenomegaly were observed in 2 patients. The laboratory findings was
characterized by a constant inflammatory syndrome and leucocytosis.
Hypertransaminasemia and hyperferritinemia were observed respectively
in 7 cases and 3 cases. Corticosteroids were prescribed in all
patients. Methotrexate was administered in 3 patients. Outcome was
favorable in 10 cases, death incurred in one patient, secondary to
acute hepatitis.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

EXPERIMENTAL BIOLOGY UPDATE: Arthritic kids' iron supplements may
hasten joint
deterioration

By Diana Swift


WWASHINGTON, D.C. - The iron supplements that many arthritic children
take to
combat concomitant anemia may be hastening the deterioration of their
joints,
Houston researchers say.


Led by biologist Roman Shypailo of the Children's Nutrition Research
Centre at
Baylor College of Medicine, a Texas team looked at eight children being

treated
for juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. The patients, aged five to 15 years,



received an intravenous radioactive tracer dose of iron (0.03
microsievert).
Iron activity in affected joints was monitored on a
position/energy-sensitive
gamma counter, while a second machine monitored whole-body iron
retention. Iron
deposition was measured two hours post-infusion and again at days
seven, 14, 28
and 56.


Anemic
"We found that iron excessively accumulates in arthritic joints and
probably
contributes to the chronic damage," said Shypailo. "That puts you
between a
rock and a hard place because many of these arthritic kids are anemic
and need
iron supplements, which may worsen the disease."


The study found a high level of agreement between the joint data and
the
whole-body data, with a greater than 90% retention rate of the infused
iron
both in joints and systemically. Furthermore, six of eight patients
showed
increased uptake at the affected joints: 165% over the first 30 days
compared
with initial uptake at two hours.


The next step, he says, is to see if there is excessive deposition of
dietary
iron in arthritic joints.


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beef and chicken muscle increased iron absorption 180%
<<snip>>

Meat Protein Fractions Enhance Nonheme Iron Absorption in Humans.
Hurrell RF, Reddy MB, Juillerat M, Cook JD
J Nutr. 2006 Nov ; 136(11): 2808-2812


The nature of the enhancing effect of muscle tissue on nonheme iron
absorption in humans is unclear but thought to be related to muscle
proteins. We conducted radioiron absorption studies to compare iron
absorption from proteins isolated from beef and chicken muscle with
that from freeze-dried beef and chicken muscle and from egg albumin.
All meals contained an equivalent amount of protein as part of a
semisynthetic liquid formula. Freeze-dried beef and chicken muscle
increased iron absorption 180% (P < 0.001) and 100% (P < 0.001),
respectively, relative to egg albumin. When added to the meal at an
equivalent protein level (15 g), the isolated beef protein and the
isolated heme-free beef protein with 94 and 98% protein content,
respectively, increased iron absorption to the same extent as the
native beef muscle. Similarly, when added to the meal at an equivalent
protein level (30 g), isolated chicken muscle protein (94% protein)
increased iron absorption similarly to native chicken muscle. Iron
absorption from the meal containing the isolated heme-free chicken
protein, however, was 120% (P < 0.01) greater than from the meal
containing freeze-dried chicken muscle, indicating that a nonprotein
component of muscle tissue with iron-binding potential may have been
removed or concentrated by the protein extraction and separation
procedures. Our results support the hypothesis that the enhancing
effect of muscle tissue on iron absorption is mainly protein related
but indicate that other factors may also play a role.


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Old 01-14-2007, 02:29 AM
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WWhat you have not yet discovered is a fundimental truth in biology.
For all processes that involve changing the presence of a substance,
iron included, is that there is a minimal an optimal and a maximal
response to it. The min to get any result, the opt to get the most
effect and the max beyond which adding more gets no more response and
can be counter effective in the response. We all need min iron for
health, there is an optimal level, and at the max level no health
improvement is found and it begins to become toxic.

All these abstracts you find with compulsive daily use of search enjines
and cherry picking as you go, is those max and beyond toxic levels of
iron in various contexts. They do not represent the majority of people
who do not have toxic levels of iron, meat eaters included.
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Old 01-14-2007, 02:29 AM
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ironjustice@cashette.com wrote:
> These 11 cases ALL showed increased .. iron stores / hyperferritinemia


Ferritin has other functions, of great fuckwitted one

> It falls as iron load falls in hepatitis patients treated for iron ..
> load.


People with haemochromatosis often get liver problems (and heart, and
bone). That's been known for a very long time. If you don't have
maemochromatosis then there's no issue.

> So the bottom line here is .. 'they' .. say Still's / juvenile
> rheumatoid arthritis patients are ..
> iron 'deficient' .. when in FACT hypertansaminasemia ..
> is THE .. marker which .. DIAGNOSES .. iron **excess** in hepatitis ..
> ..


Which is why you're not a doctor: you're too lazy and far far too
moronic to complete any degree, much less a medical degree. You have no
idea what these things mean, it's like trying to speak spanish by
listing foods at a mexican restaurant: you're just babbling out words
incoherently with no understanding of what they mean or their
relationships. You cannot even master punctuation!

> Throw in the fact .. Still's patients get .. RELIEF .. by .. using
> chloroquine / sulfasalazine / aspirin / tetracycline iron binding
> substances .. would give .. quite
> a bit of .. **evidence** .. that **iron** is NOT .. 'deficient' .. but
> is
> ACTIVELY .. **involved** .. IN .. the disease .. COURSE ..


Tom, when there's an inflamatory process blood cells can lyse. This is
what causes the accumulation of iron in a region where an inflamtory
process is. It's an effect, not a cause, you twittering freak. Obviously
your brain was deprived of oxygen too long leaving you depraved.

Why are you still posting here if you still have any iron in your blood?
Why can you never answer this question? Obviously your a 'do as I say,
not as a do' type of hypocrite.

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> http://getbehindjesus.net/


You're pretty sick, Tom. It's okay for you to take your pills now before
you molest any more small to medium sized pets.
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Old 01-14-2007, 02:29 AM
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spodosaurus wrote:

> You're pretty sick, Tom. It's okay for you to take your pills now
> before you molest any more small to medium sized pets.


Oh Hell! Let him try it with an iron-deficient bear up there in
Canada.


.... Tomorrow Tom's gonna see if he can have sex with something.

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Old 01-14-2007, 02:29 AM
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ironjustice@cashette.com wrote:
> These 11 cases ALL showed increased .. iron stores / hyperferritinemia
> .
> AND .. again .. 'coincidentally' .. hypertransaminasemia WHICH .. again
>
> .. coincidentally .. is the ONLY marker which is DIAGNOSTIC of the
> **lowering**
> of **iron** .. in hepatitis ..
>
> It falls as iron load falls in hepatitis patients treated for iron ..
> load.
>
> So the bottom line here is .. 'they' .. say Still's / juvenile
> rheumatoid arthritis patients are ..
> iron 'deficient' .. when in FACT hypertansaminasemia ..
> is THE .. marker which .. DIAGNOSES .. iron **excess** in hepatitis ..
> ..
> Throw in the fact .. Still's patients get .. RELIEF .. by .. using
> chloroquine / sulfasalazine / aspirin / tetracycline iron binding
> substances .. would give .. quite
> a bit of .. **evidence** .. that **iron** is NOT .. 'deficient' .. but
> is
> ACTIVELY .. **involved** .. IN .. the disease .. COURSE ..
>
>
> And the FACT one patient DIED .. due TO .. hepatitis MEANS the 'marker'
> of Hypertransaminasemia .. {Hypertransaminasemia DIAGNOSTIC of
> INCREASED iron in hepatitis] .. gives credence TO .. **excess** as
> opposed to .. iron 'deficiency'.
>
>
> [Adult Still's disease: study of a series of 11 cases]
> Ben Taarit C, Turki S, Ben Maïz H
> J Mal Vasc. 2002 Feb ; 27(1): 31-5
>
>
> Adult Still's disease is a systemic disease of unknown etiology. We
> report a retrospective study of 11 cases (9 females and 2 males) of
> adult Still's disease collected during 25 years. The mean age was 36
> years. Fever, arthritis and skin rash was constant. Adenopathies and
> splenomegaly were observed in 2 patients. The laboratory findings was
> characterized by a constant inflammatory syndrome and leucocytosis.
> Hypertransaminasemia and hyperferritinemia were observed respectively
> in 7 cases and 3 cases. Corticosteroids were prescribed in all
> patients. Methotrexate was administered in 3 patients. Outcome was
> favorable in 10 cases, death incurred in one patient, secondary to
> acute hepatitis.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> EXPERIMENTAL BIOLOGY UPDATE: Arthritic kids' iron supplements may
> hasten joint
> deterioration
>
> By Diana Swift
>
>
> WWASHINGTON, D.C. - The iron supplements that many arthritic children
> take to
> combat concomitant anemia may be hastening the deterioration of their
> joints,
> Houston researchers say.
>
>
> Led by biologist Roman Shypailo of the Children's Nutrition Research
> Centre at
> Baylor College of Medicine, a Texas team looked at eight children being
>
> treated
> for juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. The patients, aged five to 15 years,
>
>
>
> received an intravenous radioactive tracer dose of iron (0.03
> microsievert).
> Iron activity in affected joints was monitored on a
> position/energy-sensitive
> gamma counter, while a second machine monitored whole-body iron
> retention. Iron
> deposition was measured two hours post-infusion and again at days
> seven, 14, 28
> and 56.
>
>
> Anemic
> "We found that iron excessively accumulates in arthritic joints and
> probably
> contributes to the chronic damage," said Shypailo. "That puts you
> between a
> rock and a hard place because many of these arthritic kids are anemic
> and need
> iron supplements, which may worsen the disease."
>
>
> The study found a high level of agreement between the joint data and
> the
> whole-body data, with a greater than 90% retention rate of the infused
> iron
> both in joints and systemically. Furthermore, six of eight patients
> showed
> increased uptake at the affected joints: 165% over the first 30 days
> compared
> with initial uptake at two hours.
>
>
> The next step, he says, is to see if there is excessive deposition of
> dietary
> iron in arthritic joints.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> <<snip>>
> beef and chicken muscle increased iron absorption 180%
> <<snip>>
>
> Meat Protein Fractions Enhance Nonheme Iron Absorption in Humans.
> Hurrell RF, Reddy MB, Juillerat M, Cook JD
> J Nutr. 2006 Nov ; 136(11): 2808-2812
>
>
> The nature of the enhancing effect of muscle tissue on nonheme iron
> absorption in humans is unclear but thought to be related to muscle
> proteins. We conducted radioiron absorption studies to compare iron
> absorption from proteins isolated from beef and chicken muscle with
> that from freeze-dried beef and chicken muscle and from egg albumin.
> All meals contained an equivalent amount of protein as part of a
> semisynthetic liquid formula. Freeze-dried beef and chicken muscle
> increased iron absorption 180% (P < 0.001) and 100% (P < 0.001),
> respectively, relative to egg albumin. When added to the meal at an
> equivalent protein level (15 g), the isolated beef protein and the
> isolated heme-free beef protein with 94 and 98% protein content,
> respectively, increased iron absorption to the same extent as the
> native beef muscle. Similarly, when added to the meal at an equivalent
> protein level (30 g), isolated chicken muscle protein (94% protein)
> increased iron absorption similarly to native chicken muscle. Iron
> absorption from the meal containing the isolated heme-free chicken
> protein, however, was 120% (P < 0.01) greater than from the meal
> containing freeze-dried chicken muscle, indicating that a nonprotein
> component of muscle tissue with iron-binding potential may have been
> removed or concentrated by the protein extraction and separation
> procedures. Our results support the hypothesis that the enhancing
> effect of muscle tissue on iron absorption is mainly protein related
> but indicate that other factors may also play a role.
>
>
> Abstract · PubMed FullText · SFX · GS Clip Export InterDB ·
> Terms Related · Graph Cites · Tag
>
>
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
> http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
>
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!
> http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/p...cle/000450.htm

The cause of adult Still's disease is unknown. No risk factors for the
disease have been identified.

Still's disease that occurs in children is called systemic juvenile
idiopathic arthritis.

The following blood tests can be helpful in diagnosing adult Still's
Disease.

Liver function tests will show high levels of high AST /ALT

Ferritin (protein that stores iron) level will be very high

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http://www.pediatriconcall.com/forpa..._juvenile..htm

Iron supplements: Children with arthritis often have concomitant iron
deficiency and anemia. Iron supplements on routine basis take care of
this deficiency.

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At what .. point / marker .. do 'they decide' .. TO .. use .. either
the ferritin OR .. the aminotransferases /ALT .. or 'both' .. ?.. as ..
THE .. marker to decide whether iron injury is occuring .. ?

They GIVE iron to those people on a ROUTINE basis because .. "they are
anemic" .. and they 'disregard' .. the marker of hyperferritin ..
because .. ? .. "it is an inflammatory marker" .. and then later ON ..
the coexisting .. coincidentally .. marker to diagnose iron overload
is NOW used to diagnose the .. liver injury .. with GREAT success.

So REASON .. states .. CONTRARY . to SIMPLY **disregarding** the iron
overload .. marker / hyperferritin .. "due to inflammatory response" ..
it MUST be used .. ALONG WITH .. the .. coexisting .. marker of IRON
INDUCED liver damage .. aminotransferases /ALT .

Because .. ?

Evidenced based use of drugs which bind iron.

They did the studies .. they sell you the drugs.

If iron injury is ocuring .. then .. iron EXISTS .. and iron deficiency
... is DEFINITELY .. ruled OUT.

BUT .. 'they' GIVE iron supplements to children with arthritis on a ..
routine basis .. "because they are anemic .. " ..

But NOT .. iron .. deficient .. iron .. OVERLOADED .. as evidenced by
EXTENSIVE use of iron binding drugs and high incidence of liver /
hepatitis .. damage.

So contrary to GIVING iron to children with arthritis .. they .. should
be removing .. it .. NOT .. targeting it .. with their .. drugs.

Again .. because .. ?

They are HURTING KIDS with their routine supplementation of iron.

Evidence based.

[Acute hepatitis in a patient with adult onset Still disease]
Gallo M, Calvanese A, Oscuro F, Gallo A, Caso P, Annibale E, Farinato N
Clin Ter. 1997 Apr ; 148(4): 183-7

Liver abnormalities in the course of Adult Onset Still's Disease
(AOSD), both in form of hepatomegaly and elevation of hepatic enzymes,
have been reported in up to three-quarts of the affected patients.
These abnormalities may reflect disease activity or may be induced by
drugs. Only in a few of this patients a liver biopsy was performed.
However liver histology has shown, generally, non specific
abnormalities or even normal pictures. We have recently observed a
47-year-old woman with a febrile illness started five months before,
who after pertinent investigation was diagnosed as AOSD (according to
criteria of Yamaguchi et al.). Apart from laboratory findings
characteristic of an inflammatory disease, in absence of drug therapies
the biochemical data showed raised levels of aspartate
aminotransferase, alanine aminotransferase, alkaline phosphatase and
aminoglutamil transferase. Serological tests for either viral hepatitis
viruses (HAV, HBV, HCV) or other viruses were negative.
Ultrasonographic examination of gallbladder and bile ducts did not find
gallstones or other abnormalities. A liver biopsy was performed, which
histopathologic examination showed moderate fatty methamorphosis with
focal areas of hepatocellular swelling with minimal necrosis, mild
Kuppfer cell hyperplasia, portal and sinusoidal infiltrates of
mononuclear cells. This picture consisted with the diagnosis of an
acute unspecific reactive hepatitis.


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