Otp Real problems for people

The people that live up east and around the great lakes have 8 feet of
snow and more on the way. People's houses are going to start caving in.
The power for whole towns and areas could be lost. Enough of this global
warming,,,,, they are having cool temps in Hawaii. Some of the lowest ever
and they do not have any kind of heating systems there other than fire.
IMO, it is more than we can understand. Russia is having the warmest
temps they can remember. I just know that I can pray for the people I know
are in a bad way and I also know that I have to say IF it be thy will Lord.

Harv

"Harvey R. Stone" <hrstone@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:rsGzh.8946$O02.4071@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t...
The people that live up east and around the great lakes have 8 feet of
snow and more on the way. People's houses are going to start caving in.
The power for whole towns and areas could be lost. Enough of this global
warming,,,,, they are having cool temps in Hawaii. Some of the lowest ever
and they do not have any kind of heating systems there other than fire.
IMO, it is more than we can understand. Russia is having the warmest
temps they can remember. I just know that I can pray for the people I know
are in a bad way and I also know that I have to say IF it be thy will Lord.

Harv

((((((harv)))))) yes. it is a very rough winter for lots of folks around
the world. and i think of them and their hardships often. winters like
this is why i believe that linemen are one group of little noticed heros in
our nation. in college, i used to know guys who boomed, as linemen, to
different parts of the country to pay for their college fees. one of the
guys i knew actually died doing this. sure, they get paid overtime, but
they risk a lot working in these kinds of conditions to serve us.

people our age, who've been born and raised around the great lakes, or in
snow country in general, know enough to get the snow shoveled or blown off
their roofs when the snow load is too great. they get the word out. and i
think the media there does, too. when butch was in high school in michigan
and in high school in south lake tahoe, he made far more money shoveling off
roofs than he did at any "regular job" he could get. there are also
businesses and people who are out of work that provide that service for a
fee.

one of the sad facts about hawaii is that double wall construction with
insulation hasn't been used until recently and only in the more expensive
homes, because of the exorbitant costs of imported building materials.
single wall construction offers poor shelter agains the cold.

i watch a documentary on this. i forget the exact date in fairly recent
history that it occurred, but i believe it was at some point in the 1800s.
there was a mini ice age on the east coast that lasted for about 20 years.
starvation was the big issue back then, because of how it affected crop
failure.

actually, we can and do understand the weather, much more than we ever did
because of computer aids, consolidating and collating data and computer
generated models. but we cannot control the weather. it is humbling to
know that.

kate

Harv wrote:

> The people that live up east and around the great lakes have 8 feet of
> snow and more on the way.


Some of the best storm photos and stories are available here.

http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/stor...a-49a90d13fb86


.... The only good snow is Hank Snow.

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:11:22 -0500, d'huit wrote
(in message <xMydnYn6Ftqh01LYnZ2dnUVZ_syunZ2d@comcast.com>):

> people our age, who've been born and raised around the great lakes, or in
> snow country in general, know enough to get the snow shoveled or blown off
> their roofs when the snow load is too great.

The residentofis Oswego County, NY were saying on the news that they know
it's time to rake their roofs when the doors start sticking. That's some
major weight on the roofs! This much snow is not at all uncommon for them,
what is odd is having it all happen in a week! And now you don't have to
shovel roofs - they have snow rakes with extender handles to scrape it off.

They were saying the really hard hit folks are the road crews. Tehy're
working 12-14 hour days trying to keep the roads open, then have to go home
and try to clear their drives. I don't envy them - we've only had one winter
when the snow piled so high we couldn't shovel more up there. It's rough
when there's no where left to shift the snow to. (luckily we now know a
couple of folks with plows who push it all back for us when it gets to be too
much - and we aren't in the real snow belt of Michigan!)

> one of the sad facts about hawaii is that double wall construction with
> insulation hasn't been used until recently and only in the more expensive
> homes, because of the exorbitant costs of imported building materials.
> single wall construction offers poor shelter agains the cold.

it's true here too - the house we're in was built in the 50s. They have
blown some insultaion into the attic and many of the windowss have storm
windows, but its construction rules out adding insulation to the walls. You
can feel the cold coming off the walls - and with only baseboard heat, they
never really warm up. I sooooooo miss forced-air heat, even if it does dry
out the air more.
>
> i watch a documentary on this. i forget the exact date in fairly recent
> history that it occurred, but i believe it was at some point in the 1800s.
> there was a mini ice age on the east coast that lasted for about 20 years.
> starvation was the big issue back then, because of how it affected crop
> failure.
>
> actually, we can and do understand the weather, much more than we ever did
> because of computer aids, consolidating and collating data and computer
> generated models. but we cannot control the weather. it is humbling to
> know that.
>
> kate
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Thanks Chief,,,, I really enjoyed looking at those pictures. Mexico???
That had to be a town in NY or somewhere...

Harv

"Fire Chief" <CALIFORNIA_CHIEF@PEOPLEPC.COM> wrote in message
news:1171253819.766296.71090@s48g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
> Harv wrote:
>
>> The people that live up east and around the great lakes have 8 feet
>> of
>> snow and more on the way.
>
>
> Some of the best storm photos and stories are available here.
>
> http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/stor...a-49a90d13fb86
>
>
> ... The only good snow is Hank Snow.
>

Harv, I couldn't agree more...
With this extreme weather that we are having...Kind of reminds you of the
Movie ..."Day After Tomorrow"
Of course...It isn't happening overnight like in the movie, but
slowly...But...it is I believe...starting to speed up.
And we will see more and more of it and it will be closer together...
The movie/documentary that Al Gore did..."An Inconvenient Truth" is very
informative...It is not just another "Alarmist" Shouting out the end of the
world...But it shows concrete facts...and the facts are...WE NEED TO DO
SOMETHING NOW....Our heads have been in the sand too long...
Didn't mean to get on my soap box here, and I try never to discuss
politics...I am not good at debating..and I respect other's beliefs...
In God, Country and Way of life...But this is one cause that we need to
stand up for...

And speaking of the movie...The Day After Tomorrow...
Where they show most of the Northern Hemisphere being frozen...They don't
show what happens...The day after the day after tomorrow...What happens to
the world as far as how this world would survive such a catastrophe...

IN the mean time...Sending prayers for all those covered in Snow...And those
that are having this extreme weather.
I hadn't heard about Hawaii...I suppose when I win the Lottery...I will have
to change where I am going to escape this extra cold winter we are having.
Cindy

"Harvey R. Stone" <hrstone@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:rsGzh.8946$O02.4071@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t...
> The people that live up east and around the great lakes have 8 feet of
> snow and more on the way. People's houses are going to start caving in.
> The power for whole towns and areas could be lost. Enough of this global
> warming,,,,, they are having cool temps in Hawaii. Some of the lowest
ever
> and they do not have any kind of heating systems there other than fire.
> IMO, it is more than we can understand. Russia is having the warmest
> temps they can remember. I just know that I can pray for the people I
know
> are in a bad way and I also know that I have to say IF it be thy will
Lord.
>
> Harv
>
>

"Cindy" <cindyl57slammingspam@cox.net> wrote in message
news:wt0Ah.8182$KW3.5513@newsfe17.phx...
> Harv, I couldn't agree more...
> With this extreme weather that we are having...Kind of reminds you of the
> Movie ..."Day After Tomorrow"
> Of course...It isn't happening overnight like in the movie, but
> slowly...But...it is I believe...starting to speed up.
> And we will see more and more of it and it will be closer together...
> The movie/documentary that Al Gore did..."An Inconvenient Truth" is very
> informative...It is not just another "Alarmist" Shouting out the end of
> the
> world...But it shows concrete facts...and the facts are...WE NEED TO DO
> SOMETHING NOW....Our heads have been in the sand too long...
> Didn't mean to get on my soap box here, and I try never to discuss
> politics...I am not good at debating..and I respect other's beliefs...
> In God, Country and Way of life...But this is one cause that we need to
> stand up for...

No, no, it is a waste of time to debate when this is being pounded into your
receptive brain. What you could be afraid of is that our sun is in a very
active time period. We have absolutly no control of what takes place. To
think that man has any effect on all this gives man way far too much
importance in what is taking place.
Harv

> And speaking of the movie...The Day After Tomorrow...
> Where they show most of the Northern Hemisphere being frozen...They don't
> show what happens...The day after the day after tomorrow...What happens to
> the world as far as how this world would survive such a catastrophe...
>
> IN the mean time...Sending prayers for all those covered in Snow...And
> those
> that are having this extreme weather.
> I hadn't heard about Hawaii...I suppose when I win the Lottery...I will
> have
> to change where I am going to escape this extra cold winter we are having.
> Cindy
>
> "Harvey R. Stone" <hrstone@swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:rsGzh.8946$O02.4071@newssvr11.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> The people that live up east and around the great lakes have 8 feet
>> of
>> snow and more on the way. People's houses are going to start caving in.
>> The power for whole towns and areas could be lost. Enough of this
>> global
>> warming,,,,, they are having cool temps in Hawaii. Some of the lowest
> ever
>> and they do not have any kind of heating systems there other than fire.
>> IMO, it is more than we can understand. Russia is having the
>> warmest
>> temps they can remember. I just know that I can pray for the people I
> know
>> are in a bad way and I also know that I have to say IF it be thy will
> Lord.
>>
>> Harv
>>
>>
>
>

It's the town of Mexico, NY :-))



Harvey R. Stone wrote:
> Thanks Chief,,,, I really enjoyed looking at those pictures. Mexico???
> That had to be a town in NY or somewhere...
>
> Harv
>
> "Fire Chief" <CALIFORNIA_CHIEF@PEOPLEPC.COM> wrote in message
> news:1171253819.766296.71090@s48g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>Harv wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The people that live up east and around the great lakes have 8 feet
>>>of
>>>snow and more on the way.
>>
>>
>>Some of the best storm photos and stories are available here.
>>
>>http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/stor...a-49a90d13fb86
>>
>>
>>... The only good snow is Hank Snow.
>>
>
>
>

LOLOL thanks,,,, I just have no idea what it is like to live out of a
pantry for a couple of weeks or to drive a car with chains on the wheels and
it is going to stay that way. Cold and me do not do well. All the
insulation and double windows works just as well for cold as for hot. All
that snow on my roof would cave my house right in. They have to build for
that.............. I do feel better about all the people that are under
this. I also realize the homeless people have left the area a long time
ago. They do move south and that is OK. They could not be any worse than
those that came from the big easy after the hurricane. So it goes.
Harv

"Carole" <SeattleCarole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:53bo0lF1s0fjkU1@mid.individual.net...
> It's the town of Mexico, NY :-))
>
>
>
> Harvey R. Stone wrote:
>> Thanks Chief,,,, I really enjoyed looking at those pictures. Mexico???
>> That had to be a town in NY or somewhere...
>>
>> Harv

I'm glad I'm out of NY, believe me! I heard on the news today that NY
was expecting more snow, and while listening to the news I was enjoying
my coffee on my balcony watching the ducks

Carole



Harvey R. Stone wrote:
> LOLOL thanks,,,, I just have no idea what it is like to live out of a
> pantry for a couple of weeks or to drive a car with chains on the wheels and
> it is going to stay that way. Cold and me do not do well. All the
> insulation and double windows works just as well for cold as for hot. All
> that snow on my roof would cave my house right in. They have to build for
> that.............. I do feel better about all the people that are under
> this. I also realize the homeless people have left the area a long time
> ago. They do move south and that is OK. They could not be any worse than
> those that came from the big easy after the hurricane. So it goes.
> Harv
>
> "Carole" <SeattleCarole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:53bo0lF1s0fjkU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>>It's the town of Mexico, NY :-))
>>
>>
>>
>>Harvey R. Stone wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks Chief,,,, I really enjoyed looking at those pictures. Mexico???
>>>That had to be a town in NY or somewhere...
>>>
>>>Harv
>
>
>

> LOLOL thanks,,,, I just have no idea what it is like to live out of a
> pantry for a couple of weeks or to drive a car with chains on the wheels
> and it is going to stay that way. Cold and me do not do well. All the
> insulation and double windows works just as well for cold as for hot.
> All that snow on my roof would cave my house right in. They have to
> build for that.............. I do feel better about all the people that
> are under this. I also realize the homeless people have left the area a
> long time ago. They do move south and that is OK. They could not be any
> worse than those that came from the big easy after the hurricane. So it
> goes.
> Harv
>
Having been raised on the western shores of Lake Michigan we had many
occurrences of "lake effect" snows.
Living on the eastern side of a major body of water is just asking for
trouble when the storms blow over.
GaryZ

Here in Ohio we're getting our first winter blast! We already have about 8
inches of snow, with winds causing much drifting. We also have a blizzard
forecast for tonight. Guess I'll hibernate for a few days. Nanny
"Carole" <SeattleCarole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:53d8hfF1qdpb9U1@mid.individual.net...
> I'm glad I'm out of NY, believe me! I heard on the news today that NY was
> expecting more snow, and while listening to the news I was enjoying my
> coffee on my balcony watching the ducks
>
> Carole
>
>
>
> Harvey R. Stone wrote:
>> LOLOL thanks,,,, I just have no idea what it is like to live out of a
>> pantry for a couple of weeks or to drive a car with chains on the wheels
>> and it is going to stay that way. Cold and me do not do well. All the
>> insulation and double windows works just as well for cold as for hot.
>> All that snow on my roof would cave my house right in. They have to
>> build for that.............. I do feel better about all the people that
>> are under this. I also realize the homeless people have left the area a
>> long time ago. They do move south and that is OK. They could not be
>> any worse than those that came from the big easy after the hurricane.
>> So it goes.
>> Harv
>>
>> "Carole" <SeattleCarole@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:53bo0lF1s0fjkU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>>It's the town of Mexico, NY :-))
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Harvey R. Stone wrote:
>>>
>>>>Thanks Chief,,,, I really enjoyed looking at those pictures.
>>>>Mexico??? That had to be a town in NY or somewhere...
>>>>
>>>>Harv
>>
>>