Plantar Fasciitis!!!

So, I have had plantar fasciitis for more than 6 months now and am sick of it.
I am a very passionate runner and am anxious to get back on my feet again. I
think that I need a cortsone shot but I am going to have to pay for it
forward.
What I want to know is, is it going to be worth it. How much does it usually
cost? Will it cure this horrible disease, or will it more than likley come
back a few months down the road.
I am always in pain. This affects my everyday life, like walking in school,
doing any kind of work, going with friends to the store. Simple things. It
brings me down and I can't stand it anymore!
Someone please help!!!
Thanks
~adam

On Dec 31, 8:40*pm, "Flaminguitar3211" <u40305@uwe> wrote: plantar
fasciitis <<

Stones which they have to remove surgically or you pass them painfully
through your urethra they use
shock wave therapy to break them down so you can pass them without
trouble.
Alleviating the need for surgery.
Now it seems this is also accomplished with phytic acid / phytate ..
found in the brown / chaff of our grains and plants.
So would phytic acid / phytate / bisphosponate BE .. indicated ..
since shock wave therapy is used in plantar .. ?

Imboden I, Waldern NM, Wiestner T, Lischer CJ, Ueltschi G, Weishaupt
MA
Short term analgesic effect of extracorporeal shock wave therapy in
horses with proximal palmar metacarpal/plantar metatarsal pain.
[JOURNAL ARTICLE]
Vet J 2007 Dec 7.

Extracorporeal shock wave therapy (ESWT) is an accepted form of
treatment for chronic cases of proximal suspensory desmitis (PSD).
Subjective evaluation of horses shortly after being treated with ESWT
has led clinicians to comment on an immediate reduction in lameness.
This study aimed to evaluate the analgesic effect of ESWT on 16 horses
with PSD or PSD-like pain in a fore- or hindlimb. To objectively
assess lameness, gait analysis was performed on an instrumented
treadmill before and 6, 24, 48 and 72h after ESWT of the origin of the
suspensory ligament and the results compared to the effects of local
anaesthesia. Stride frequency, stance duration, vertical impulse and
peak vertical force were determined. Thermographic imaging and
evaluation of skin sensitivity of the treated area were carried out
before and after ESWT in the same interval as gait analysis. The
results showed that there were no significant improvements in the
investigated parameters at any time after ESWT; however, in horses
with affected forelimbs the contralateral weightbearing asymmetry
decreased significantly 72h after ESWT. Neither skin sensitivity nor
thermographic imaging revealed changes that could be attributed to
ESWT.



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> So, I have had plantar fasciitis for more than 6 months now and am sick ofit.
> I am a very passionate runner and am anxious to get back on my feet again.I
> think that I need a cortsone shot but I am going to have to pay for it
> forward.
> What I want to know is, is it going to be worth it. How much does it usually
> cost? Will it cure this horrible disease, or will it more than likley come
> back a few months down the road.
> I am always in pain. This affects my everyday life, like walking in school,
> doing any kind of work, going with friends to the store. Simple things. It
> brings me down and I can't stand it anymore!
> Someone please help!!!
> Thanks
> ~adam

ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
>On Dec 31, 8:40 pm, "Flaminguitar3211" <u40305@uwe> wrote: plantar
>fasciitis <<
>
>Stones which they have to remove surgically or you pass them painfully
>through your urethra they use
>shock wave therapy to break them down so you can pass them without
>trouble.
>Alleviating the need for surgery.
>Now it seems this is also accomplished with phytic acid / phytate ..
>found in the brown / chaff of our grains and plants.
>So would phytic acid / phytate / bisphosponate BE .. indicated ..
>since shock wave therapy is used in plantar .. ?
>
>Imboden I, Waldern NM, Wiestner T, Lischer CJ, Ueltschi G, Weishaupt
>MA
>Short term analgesic effect of extracorporeal shock wave therapy in
>horses with proximal palmar metacarpal/plantar metatarsal pain.
>[JOURNAL ARTICLE]
>Vet J 2007 Dec 7.
>
>Extracorporeal shock wave therapy (ESWT) is an accepted form of
>treatment for chronic cases of proximal suspensory desmitis (PSD).
>Subjective evaluation of horses shortly after being treated with ESWT
>has led clinicians to comment on an immediate reduction in lameness.
>This study aimed to evaluate the analgesic effect of ESWT on 16 horses
>with PSD or PSD-like pain in a fore- or hindlimb. To objectively
>assess lameness, gait analysis was performed on an instrumented
>treadmill before and 6, 24, 48 and 72h after ESWT of the origin of the
>suspensory ligament and the results compared to the effects of local
>anaesthesia. Stride frequency, stance duration, vertical impulse and
>peak vertical force were determined. Thermographic imaging and
>evaluation of skin sensitivity of the treated area were carried out
>before and after ESWT in the same interval as gait analysis. The
>results showed that there were no significant improvements in the
>investigated parameters at any time after ESWT; however, in horses
>with affected forelimbs the contralateral weightbearing asymmetry
>decreased significantly 72h after ESWT. Neither skin sensitivity nor
>thermographic imaging revealed changes that could be attributed to
>ESWT.
>
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>
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>Tom
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>
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>http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
>DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
>http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
>> So, I have had plantar fasciitis for more than 6 months now and am sick of it.
>> I am a very passionate runner and am anxious to get back on my feet again. I
>[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> Thanks
>> ~adam

Ok man, this looks like this is not helping me a bit. Why are you talking
about kidney stones? Do you even know what I am talking about?
Plantar Fasciitis is an overuse injury on the bottom of a humans foot. It can
be caused by too much running and jumping over a period of time because your
body isn't used to the sudden change. That is how I got it.
Are you saying maybe that ultrasound therapy would be the best solution for
me?
Please let me know. Thanks
~adam

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On Jan 1, 6:57 pm, "Flaminguitar3211 via MedKB.com" <u40305@uwe>
wrote:Are you saying maybe that ultrasound therapy would be the best
solution for me? <<

I'm saying plantar fasciitis .. according to the .. evidence IE: drugs
and / or treatments used .. point to .. calcification .. the SAME as
with kidney stones .. calcified kidney stones ..

Therefore since both treatments seem to work .. then is calcification
the problem in plantar fasciitis ?

Treatments seems to point to it .. and therefore ARE bisphosphonates
used to treat plantar fasciitis .. ? .. and IF they ARE then one might
think of using food .. IE: phytate based food / phytic acid /
bisphosphonate / crystallization inhibitors .. ON .. plantar
fasciitis ..

THAT is what I said ..

So the doctor may say take bisphosphonate .. but using science as
evidence .. SINCE they ARE **comparing** the two .. bisphoshonate and
phytate AGAINST each other in open trial .. then one MUST dedeuce the
other is the same as the one.

If you see what I mean ..

Sooo .. ARE they using bisphosphonates in in plantar fasciitis .. ?

Research Article
Alendronate prevents bone loss and improves tendon-to-bone repair
strength in a canine model
Stavros Thomopoulos *, Hironori Matsuzaki, Melissa Zaegel, Richard H.
Gelberman, Matthew J. Silva
Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, Washington University, 1 Barnes-
Jewish Hospital Plaza, Suite 11300, Campus Box 8233, St. Louis,
Missouri 63110

email: Stavros Thomopoulos (ThomopoulosS@wudosis.wustl.edu)

*Correspondence to Stavros Thomopoulos, Department of Orthopaedic
Surgery, Washington University, 1 Barnes-Jewish Hospital Plaza, Suite
11300, Campus Box 8233, St. Louis, Missouri 63110. Telephone:
314-362-8605; Fax: 314-362-0334.

Keywords
flexor tendon * tendon-to-bone healing * insertion site * enthesis *
bisphosphonates


Abstract
Previously we showed a loss of bone and a concomitant decrease in
mechanical properties in the first 21 days after flexor tendon
insertion site injury and repair in a canine model. The goal of this
short-term study was to suppress bone loss after insertion site repair
using alendronate in an attempt to prevent the reduction in
biomechanical properties. Flexor tendons of the second and fifth
digits of the right forelimbs of canines were injured and repaired.
Dogs received a daily oral dose of alendronate (2 mg/kg). One digit in
each dog also received a local dose of alendronate in the bone tunnel
at the time of surgery. The repair was evaluated for bone mineral
density (BMD) and biomechanical properties and compared to data from a
previous study in which no alendronate was used. Alendronate was
effective in protecting the distal phalanx from resorption during
tendon-to-bone healing (BMD was 94 and 104% of control for systemic
alendronate and for systemic plus local alendronate, respectively).
Alendronate treatment prevented much of the decrease in ultimate load
that occurs in the first 21 days. Without treatment, ultimate load was
42% of control. With systemic alendronate treatment and systemic plus
local alendronate treatment, ultimate load was 78 and 69% of control,
respectively. Failure mode was significantly different when comparing
alendronate treatment to repair alone. A lower incidence of suture
pull through was found in alendronate treated dogs, suggesting less
tendon degeneration. Ultimate load can be improved in association with
preventing the bone loss that normally occurs during the early period
following tendon-to-bone repair. These initial short-term data
demonstrate the potential for a clinical treatment that could enhance
tendon-to-bone healing. (c) 2007 Orthopaedic Research Society. Published
by Wiley Periodicals, Inc. J Orthop Res 25:473-479, 2007



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Received: 13 January 2006; Accepted: 10 July 2006
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ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
>On Jan 1, 6:57 pm, "Flaminguitar3211 via MedKB.com" <u40305@uwe>
>wrote:Are you saying maybe that ultrasound therapy would be the best
>solution for me? <<
>
>I'm saying plantar fasciitis .. according to the .. evidence IE: drugs
>and / or treatments used .. point to .. calcification .. the SAME as
>with kidney stones .. calcified kidney stones ..
>
>Therefore since both treatments seem to work .. then is calcification
>the problem in plantar fasciitis ?
>
>Treatments seems to point to it .. and therefore ARE bisphosphonates
>used to treat plantar fasciitis .. ? .. and IF they ARE then one might
>think of using food .. IE: phytate based food / phytic acid /
>bisphosphonate / crystallization inhibitors .. ON .. plantar
>fasciitis ..
>
>THAT is what I said ..
>
>So the doctor may say take bisphosphonate .. but using science as
>evidence .. SINCE they ARE **comparing** the two .. bisphoshonate and
>phytate AGAINST each other in open trial .. then one MUST dedeuce the
>other is the same as the one.
>
>If you see what I mean ..
>
>Sooo .. ARE they using bisphosphonates in in plantar fasciitis .. ?
>
>Research Article
>Alendronate prevents bone loss and improves tendon-to-bone repair
>strength in a canine model
>Stavros Thomopoulos *, Hironori Matsuzaki, Melissa Zaegel, Richard H.
>Gelberman, Matthew J. Silva
>Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, Washington University, 1 Barnes-
>Jewish Hospital Plaza, Suite 11300, Campus Box 8233, St. Louis,
>Missouri 63110
>
>email: Stavros Thomopoulos (ThomopoulosS@wudosis.wustl.edu)
>
>*Correspondence to Stavros Thomopoulos, Department of Orthopaedic
>Surgery, Washington University, 1 Barnes-Jewish Hospital Plaza, Suite
>11300, Campus Box 8233, St. Louis, Missouri 63110. Telephone:
>314-362-8605; Fax: 314-362-0334.
>
>Keywords
>flexor tendon * tendon-to-bone healing * insertion site * enthesis *
>bisphosphonates
>
>Abstract
>Previously we showed a loss of bone and a concomitant decrease in
>mechanical properties in the first 21 days after flexor tendon
>insertion site injury and repair in a canine model. The goal of this
>short-term study was to suppress bone loss after insertion site repair
>using alendronate in an attempt to prevent the reduction in
>biomechanical properties. Flexor tendons of the second and fifth
>digits of the right forelimbs of canines were injured and repaired.
>Dogs received a daily oral dose of alendronate (2 mg/kg). One digit in
>each dog also received a local dose of alendronate in the bone tunnel
>at the time of surgery. The repair was evaluated for bone mineral
>density (BMD) and biomechanical properties and compared to data from a
>previous study in which no alendronate was used. Alendronate was
>effective in protecting the distal phalanx from resorption during
>tendon-to-bone healing (BMD was 94 and 104% of control for systemic
>alendronate and for systemic plus local alendronate, respectively).
>Alendronate treatment prevented much of the decrease in ultimate load
>that occurs in the first 21 days. Without treatment, ultimate load was
>42% of control. With systemic alendronate treatment and systemic plus
>local alendronate treatment, ultimate load was 78 and 69% of control,
>respectively. Failure mode was significantly different when comparing
>alendronate treatment to repair alone. A lower incidence of suture
>pull through was found in alendronate treated dogs, suggesting less
>tendon degeneration. Ultimate load can be improved in association with
>preventing the bone loss that normally occurs during the early period
>following tendon-to-bone repair. These initial short-term data
>demonstrate the potential for a clinical treatment that could enhance
>tendon-to-bone healing. (c) 2007 Orthopaedic Research Society. Published
>by Wiley Periodicals, Inc. J Orthop Res 25:473-479, 2007
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Received: 13 January 2006; Accepted: 10 July 2006
>Digital Object Identifier (DOI)
>
>10.1002/jor.20293 About DOI
>
>Who loves ya.
>Tom
>
>Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
>http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
>
>Man Is A Herbivore!
>http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
>DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
>http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

OK, thanks!
So, can you get this alendronate at a super market or do you have to get it
from a docter?
Another thing I wanted to know was, do all cases of planter fasciitis that
persist for more than 6 months come from a heel spur? And one other thing...
the longer this injury lingers around, does it take longer to heal?
Thanks again!
~adam

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Califchief wrote:
>pussy tommy wrote:
>
> > Therefore since both treatments seem to work .. then
> > is calcification the problem in plantar fasciitis ?
>
> fasciitis: Inflammation of any fascia.
>
> No, IDIOT/PUSSY/NUMBNUTZ, it is NOT calcification.
>
>... If stupidity was painful, numbnutz Tommy would get help.
>___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
>
>___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

HA!
What is this???
This really doesn't answer my questions... and are calling me stupid?
ummmmm...
~adam

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Califchief wrote:
>pussy tommy wrote:
>
> > Stupidity isn't what this guy .. needs.
>
> Then why are you posting in this newsgroup?
>
>... If you don't like my opinion of you - improve yourself!
>___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

Ummmmm, I'm confused.
I never said i didn't like your "opinion" about me.
You're not even the same guy I've been talking to.
~adam

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"Flaminguitar3211 via MedKB.com" <u40305@uwe> wrote in message
news:7da2c0ff371f1@uwe...
Califchief wrote:
>pussy tommy wrote:
>
> > Stupidity isn't what this guy .. needs.
>
> Then why are you posting in this newsgroup?
>
>... If you don't like my opinion of you - improve yourself!
>___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

Ummmmm, I'm confused.
I never said i didn't like your "opinion" about me.
You're not even the same guy I've been talking to.
~adam


hi adam,

you're new to asa, it appears. i'm afraid you got snared by our resident
troll, rusty rump (aka: tom, ironjustice) and ensnared in the combat between
a legitimate member and rusty rump. chief was addressing tom/ironjustice.
please disregard any responses your posts might generate from
tom/ironjustice. he's got mental health issues and is in denial about them.
chief/ firechief and several other of our group's members try to keep rusty
rump from imparting medical treatments, diagnoses, generally incorrect and
sometimes dangerous medical advice to newbies, which sometimes results in a
flamewar. you became confused by the flamewar. just a heads-up, guy.

kate

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What Kate said, Adam. Welcome aboard and hope you get some
answers, (not Tommy's type).

Joan

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:42:43 -0800, "d'huit"
<threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote:

>hi adam,
>
>you're new to asa, it appears. i'm afraid you got snared by our resident
>troll, rusty rump (aka: tom, ironjustice) and ensnared in the combat between
>a legitimate member and rusty rump. chief was addressing tom/ironjustice.
>please disregard any responses your posts might generate from
>tom/ironjustice. he's got mental health issues and is in denial about them.
>chief/ firechief and several other of our group's members try to keep rusty
>rump from imparting medical treatments, diagnoses, generally incorrect and
>sometimes dangerous medical advice to newbies, which sometimes results in a
>flamewar. you became confused by the flamewar. just a heads-up, guy.
>
>kate

Ironman is rather dangerous here. Please ignore his email - that is who
califchief is replying to.

You do not need and it would not help a bisphosphonate such as fosomax
unless you have osteopenia or osteoporosis which is NOT plantar fascia.
That is the inflammation of the fascia. Talk to a doctor. If they give a
cortisone shot (if you have tried rest, ice etc) they will usually give it
in the arch area of the foot. I have had several and they really are barely
painful and the pain doesn't last as long as the plantar fascitis.

Kelly

"Flaminguitar3211 via MedKB.com" <u40305@uwe> wrote in message
news:7da2c0ff371f1@uwe...
> Califchief wrote:
>>pussy tommy wrote:
>>
>> > Stupidity isn't what this guy .. needs.
>>
>> Then why are you posting in this newsgroup?
>>
>>... If you don't like my opinion of you - improve yourself!
>>___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
>
> Ummmmm, I'm confused.
> I never said i didn't like your "opinion" about me.
> You're not even the same guy I've been talking to.
> ~adam
>
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>

"Flaminguitar3211 via MedKB.com" <u40305@uwe> wrote in message
news:7da2bc0a11325@uwe...
> Califchief wrote:
>>pussy tommy wrote:
>>
>> > Therefore since both treatments seem to work .. then
>> > is calcification the problem in plantar fasciitis ?
>>
>> fasciitis: Inflammation of any fascia.
>>
>> No, IDIOT/PUSSY/NUMBNUTZ, it is NOT calcification.
>>
>>... If stupidity was painful, numbnutz Tommy would get help.
>>___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
>>
>>___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
>
> HA!
> What is this???
> This really doesn't answer my questions... and are calling me stupid?
> ummmmm...
> ~adam
>

Hi Adam,,,, Welcome to ASA..... No, he is responding to someone other than
you. Every so often you will see a warning to new people about Tom or
rustybutt or whatever about some of his posts are dangerous. I think you
have html turned on and none of us use that in the newsgroup because it
causes problems for some peoples method of posting in this newsgroup.
Please continue to post and ask questions. We really try to help each other
with what we have lived with and what worked best for us.

Harv

On Jan 2, 12:43*pm, "Flaminguitar3211 via MedKB.com" <u40305@uwe>
wrote:OK, thanks!
So, can you get this alendronate at a super market or do you have to
get it
from a docter?
Another thing I wanted to know was, do all cases of planter fasciitis
that
persist for more than 6 months come from a heel spur? And one other
thing...
the longer this injury lingers around, does it take longer to heal?
Thanks again! <<

You've determined a .. bisphosphonate is .. indicated .. ?

You've done at least a wee bit of research .. ?

You will notice **everyone** who has posted to this thread has
attacked .. **me** .. ?

You notice .. ?

Aspirin .. an iron binding drug. Indocin - Nobel prize winning drug ..
binds iron. Bisphosphonates the leading edge in arthritis treatment ..
an iron binding drug.

Those are just a few.

All of the people attacking me are presently using or have used all
the drugs mentioned above.

All those drugs were found to be iron binders LONG after I began
telling everyone to watch the iron.

Sooo .. they can SAY .. "he's wrong don't listen to him" .. but they
STILL seem to relish shooting themselves UP .. with .. those very iron
binding .. drugs ..

Don't they ..

Not even .. one .. has refused to DO those drugs ..

Sooo .. they talk the big walk .. but don't walk .. the big ..
talk ..

They have a word for those .. types.


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> ironjust...@aol.com wrote:
> >On Jan 1, 6:57 pm, "Flaminguitar3211 via MedKB.com" <u40305@uwe>
> >wrote:Are you saying maybe that ultrasound therapy would be the best
> >solution for me? <<
>
> >I'm saying plantar fasciitis .. according to the .. evidence IE: drugs
> >and / or treatments used .. point to .. calcification .. the SAME as
> >with kidney stones .. calcified kidney stones ..
>
> >Therefore since both treatments seem to work .. then is calcification
> >the problem in plantar fasciitis ?
>
> >Treatments seems to point to it .. and therefore ARE bisphosphonates
> >used to treat plantar fasciitis .. ? .. and IF they ARE then one might
> >think of using food .. IE: phytate based food / phytic acid /
> >bisphosphonate / crystallization inhibitors .. ON .. plantar
> >fasciitis ..
>
> >THAT is what I said ..
>
> >So the doctor may say take bisphosphonate .. but using science as
> >evidence .. SINCE they ARE **comparing** the two .. bisphoshonate and
> >phytate AGAINST each other in open trial *.. then one MUST dedeuce the
> >other *is the same as the one.
>
> >If you see what I mean ..
>
> >Sooo .. ARE they using bisphosphonates in in plantar fasciitis .. ?
>
> >Research Article
> >Alendronate prevents bone loss and improves tendon-to-bone repair
> >strength in a canine model
> >Stavros Thomopoulos *, Hironori Matsuzaki, Melissa Zaegel, Richard H.
> >Gelberman, Matthew J. Silva
> >Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, Washington University, 1 Barnes-
> >Jewish Hospital Plaza, Suite 11300, Campus Box 8233, St. Louis,
> >Missouri 63110
>
> >email: Stavros Thomopoulos (Thomopoul...@wudosis.wustl.edu)
>
> >*Correspondence to Stavros Thomopoulos, Department of Orthopaedic
> >Surgery, Washington University, 1 Barnes-Jewish Hospital Plaza, Suite
> >11300, Campus Box 8233, St. Louis, Missouri 63110. Telephone:
> >314-362-8605; Fax: 314-362-0334.
>
> >Keywords
> >flexor tendon * tendon-to-bone healing * insertion site * enthesis *
> >bisphosphonates
>
> >Abstract
> >Previously we showed a loss of bone and a concomitant decrease in
> >mechanical properties in the first 21 days after flexor tendon
> >insertion site injury and repair in a canine model. The goal of this
> >short-term study was to suppress bone loss after insertion site repair
> >using alendronate in an attempt to prevent the reduction in
> >biomechanical properties. Flexor tendons of the second and fifth
> >digits of the right forelimbs of canines were injured and repaired.
> >Dogs received a daily oral dose of alendronate (2 mg/kg). One digit in
> >each dog also received a local dose of alendronate in the bone tunnel
> >at the time of surgery. The repair was evaluated for bone mineral
> >density (BMD) and biomechanical properties and compared to data from a
> >previous study in which no alendronate was used. Alendronate was
> >effective in protecting the distal phalanx from resorption during
> >tendon-to-bone healing (BMD was 94 and 104% of control for systemic
> >alendronate and for systemic plus local alendronate, respectively).
> >Alendronate treatment prevented much of the decrease in ultimate load
> >that occurs in the first 21 days. Without treatment, ultimate load was
> >42% of control. With systemic alendronate treatment and systemic plus
> >local alendronate treatment, ultimate load was 78 and 69% of control,
> >respectively. Failure mode was significantly different when comparing
> >alendronate treatment to repair alone. A lower incidence of suture
> >pull through was found in alendronate treated dogs, suggesting less
> >tendon degeneration. Ultimate load can be improved in association with
> >preventing the bone loss that normally occurs during the early period
> >following tendon-to-bone repair. These initial short-term data
> >demonstrate the potential for a clinical treatment that could enhance
> >tendon-to-bone healing. (c) 2007 Orthopaedic Research Society. Published
> >by Wiley Periodicals, Inc. J Orthop Res 25:473-479, 2007
>
> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------*------
> >Received: 13 January 2006; Accepted: 10 July 2006
> >Digital Object Identifier (DOI)
>
> >10.1002/jor.20293 *About DOI
>
> >Who loves ya.
> >Tom
>
> >Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
> >http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
>
> >Man Is A Herbivore!
> >http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
> >DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
> >http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
> OK, thanks!
> So, can you get this alendronate at a super market or do you have to get it
> from a docter?
> Another thing I wanted to know was, do all cases of planter fasciitis that
> persist for more than 6 months come from a heel spur? And one other thing....
> the longer this injury lingers around, does it take longer to heal?
> Thanks again!
> ~adam
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On Jan 2, 10:42*pm, "Kelly" <kelly...@shaw.ca> wrote:Ironman is rather
dangerous here.
You do not need and it would not help a bisphosphonate such as fosomax
unless you have osteopenia or osteoporosis which is NOT plantar
fascia.
That is the inflammation of the fascia. *<<

The fascia is a ligament .. and it attaches to the bone .. and since
fascia is associated with bone deformity WHERE the ligament MEETS ..
the .. **bone** .. and since BISPHOSPHONATE is USED ..
**specifically** .. BONE .. **pain** .. AND bone .. **deformity** /
"remodeling" / spurs .. I assume you base your .. medical advice ..
ON .. what .. ?

Research .. ?

A gut .. feeling .. ?

What .. ?

Dislike for the poster .. ?

The guy has bone .. pain .. bisphosphonates are RECOMMENDED ..
for .. ? .. bone pain .. plantar fasciitis is inflammation of ligament
AND bone .. IE: heel spurs .. you disagree .. ? ..

Who cares ..

You simply DON'T .. speak ABOUT .. **me** .. dig .. ?

Because YOU have no solid evidence bisphosphonate will not work ..
WHEN all evidence point to the FACT .. they will .. bisphosphonates
will work therefore .. buckwheat porridge .. will work.

Bisphosphonates reduce bone mineral loss at ligament entheses after
joint injury.
Osteoarthritis and Cartilage, Volume 13, Issue 9, Pages 790-797
M. Doschak, J. LaMothe, D. Cooper, B. Hallgrimsson, D. Hanley, R.
Bray, R. Zernicke

http://www.thefinalsprint.com/tag/stress-fracture/


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"ironjustice" <teamtanner@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 2, 10:42 pm, "Kelly" <kelly...@shaw.ca> wrote:Ironman is rather
dangerous here.
You do not need and it would not help a bisphosphonate such as fosomax
unless you have osteopenia or osteoporosis which is NOT plantar
fascia.
That is the inflammation of the fascia. <<

The fascia is a ligament .. and it attaches to the bone .. and since
fascia is associated with bone deformity WHERE the ligament MEETS ..
the .. **bone** .. and since BISPHOSPHONATE is USED ..
**specifically** .. BONE .. **pain** .. AND bone .. **deformity** /
"remodeling" / spurs .. I assume you base your .. medical advice ..
ON .. what .. ?

Research .. ?

A gut .. feeling .. ?

What .. ?

Dislike for the poster .. ?

The guy has bone .. pain .. bisphosphonates are RECOMMENDED ..
for .. ? .. bone pain .. plantar fasciitis is inflammation of ligament
AND bone .. IE: heel spurs .. you disagree .. ? ..

Who cares ..

You simply DON'T .. speak ABOUT .. **me** .. dig .. ?

Because YOU have no solid evidence bisphosphonate will not work ..
WHEN all evidence point to the FACT .. they will .. bisphosphonates
will work therefore .. buckwheat porridge .. will work.

Bisphosphonates reduce bone mineral loss at ligament entheses after
joint injury.
Osteoarthritis and Cartilage, Volume 13, Issue 9, Pages 790-797
M. Doschak, J. LaMothe, D. Cooper, B. Hallgrimsson, D. Hanley, R.
Bray, R. Zernicke

http://www.thefinalsprint.com/tag/stress-fracture/


Who loves ya.
Tom

good grief, rusty rump! there you go again! from your url above:

"Plantar fasciitis is an inflammation of the band of tissue, the plantar
fascia, that connects the heel bone (calcaneus) to the forefoot, supporting
your arch. When this area is strained through overuse or weaknesses, it
causes irritation and inflammation, often causing pain in the heel first
thing in the morning and .after long periods of sitting (see WebMD for more
info on causes and symptoms). The bad news is that your foot simply needs
rest. Helpful treatment includes icing the area (try ice massage), rolling
the arch of your foot over a hard ball or frozen water bottle, and
self-massage, as well as preventive strengthening exercises. . . ."


tell us, please, where in that url article's definition above does it say
that plantar faciitis is bone mineral loss? or causes bone mineral loss? or
is caused by bone mineral loss? all it says is that it is an inflammation
of the ligament that is connected to bone, "strained through overuse or
weaknesses" that causes inflammation. (you don't bother reading what you
post, do you?)

therefore, why would any sane person treat soft tissue inflammation as if it
were hard bone mineral loss? and according to the study title you cited,
"Bisphosphonates reduce bone mineral loss . . ." and it does not say,
reduces plantar faciitis inflammation.

now, go to your article-topic's associated web link:
http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/p...topic-overview

READ! and STOP practicing medicine without a license! and STOP confusing
people with real illnesses and real injuries with your NONSENSE!.

kate

> therefore, why would any sane person treat soft tissue inflammation as if
> it
> were hard bone mineral loss? and according to the study title you cited,
> "Bisphosphonates reduce bone mineral loss . . ." and it does not say,
> reduces plantar faciitis inflammation.
>
> now, go to your article-topic's associated web link:
> http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/p...topic-overview
>
> READ! and STOP practicing medicine without a license! and STOP confusing
> people with real illnesses and real injuries with your NONSENSE!.
>
> kate

Oh my well said and understood. I just can not force myself to dig into
what he says deep enough. I wonder if he does this on purpose. He gets
some kind of bang out of all this crap.
Harv

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:30:46 -0800, "d'huit"
<threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote:

>The fascia is a ligament .. and it attaches to the bone .. and since
>fascia is associated with bone deformity WHERE the ligament MEETS ..
>the .. **bone** .. and since BISPHOSPHONATE is USED ..
>**specifically** .. BONE .. **pain** .. AND bone .. **deformity** /
>"remodeling" / spurs .. I assume you base your .. medical advice ..
>ON .. what .. ?

Wrong again, Tommy, fascia is not ligaments.

Joan

Wow he is really stretching his medical knowledge this time - bone pain,
bone deformity, remodeling spurs..... plantar fascia?? Hello!

Kelly

"Joan Carter" <spamfree@sentex.ca> wrote in message
news:1h5rn3l6hr6sjma0ftfqa33ntg893g9640@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:30:46 -0800, "d'huit"
> <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote:
>
>>The fascia is a ligament .. and it attaches to the bone .. and since
>>fascia is associated with bone deformity WHERE the ligament MEETS ..
>>the .. **bone** .. and since BISPHOSPHONATE is USED ..
>>**specifically** .. BONE .. **pain** .. AND bone .. **deformity** /
>>"remodeling" / spurs .. I assume you base your .. medical advice ..
>>ON .. what .. ?
>
> Wrong again, Tommy, fascia is not ligaments.
>
> Joan

"Joan Carter" <spamfree@sentex.ca> wrote in message
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:30:46 -0800, "d'huit"
<threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote:

>The fascia is a ligament .. and it attaches to the bone .. and since
>fascia is associated with bone deformity WHERE the ligament MEETS ..
>the .. **bone** .. and since BISPHOSPHONATE is USED ..
>**specifically** .. BONE .. **pain** .. AND bone .. **deformity** /
>"remodeling" / spurs .. I assume you base your .. medical advice ..
>ON .. what .. ?

Wrong again, Tommy, fascia is not ligaments.

Joan

thanks for correcting that, joan. i fell into that flaw in his reasoning
language usage.

kate

On Jan 3, 2:30*pm, "d'huit" <threeceda...@comcast2.net> wrote:good
grief, rusty rump! there you go again! from your url above: <<

The guy has bone .. pain .. bisphosphonates are RECOMMENDED ..
for .. ? .. bone pain .. plantar fasciitis is inflammation of
ligament
AND bone .. IE: heel spurs .. you disagree .. ? ..

Who cares ..

>> On Jan 3, 2:30 pm, "d'huit" <threeceda...@comcast2.net> wrote:
READ! and STOP practicing medicine without a license! <<

Eat your .. porridge .. ?

Hit the road .. you stupid cow ..

>> On Jan 3, 2:30 pm, "d'huit" <threeceda...@comcast2.net> wrote:tell us, please, where in that url article's definition above does it say that plantar faciitis is bone mineral loss? <<

Enthesis .. ever hear the word .. ? http://www.answers.com/topic/enthesis?cat=health
Trauma causes bone loss where fasciitis meets the .. bone.

>> On Jan 3, 2:30 pm, "d'huit" <threeceda...@comcast2.net> wrote:and STOP confusing
people with real illnesses and real injuries with your NONSENSE <<

Did I confuse the nurse .. is one bisphosphonate .. different from
another bisphosphonate ..

And by the way .. crippled nurse .. how come YOU or any OF ..
anyone .. LIKE .. you .. weren't following the developement of these
bisphosphonates .. these very EXPENSIVE bisphosphonates and .. ask ..
OUT LOUD .. "is phytate a bisphosphonate" .. ?

How come you didn't ask that question .. ?

How come I asked it for over four years now .. and finally it has been
shown .. to BE .. a bisphosphonate .. ?

IF .. you .. OR .. anyone LIKE you .. is .. "so fkg good" .. like
you .. say.

Eh ..

Merit ..

Which .. it seems .. you have very .. little .. if .. any .. ?

Maybe you should show some .. merit ..

Or .. st.. fk .. u ..


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> "ironjustice" <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b8efec4c-fed5-49f5-bc4f-462ddff69fab@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 2, 10:42 pm, "Kelly" <kelly...@shaw.ca> wrote:Ironman is rather
> dangerous here.
> You do not need and it would not help a bisphosphonate such as fosomax
> unless you have osteopenia or osteoporosis which is NOT plantar
> fascia.
> That is the inflammation of the fascia. <<
>
> The fascia is a ligament .. and it attaches to the bone .. and since
> fascia is associated with bone deformity WHERE the ligament MEETS ..
> the .. **bone** .. and since BISPHOSPHONATE is USED ..
> **specifically** .. BONE .. **pain** .. AND bone .. **deformity** /
> "remodeling" / spurs .. I assume you base your .. medical advice ..
> ON .. what .. ?
>
> Research .. ?
>
> A gut .. feeling .. ?
>
> What .. ?
>
> Dislike for the poster .. ?
>
> The guy has bone .. pain .. bisphosphonates are RECOMMENDED ..
> for .. ? .. bone pain .. plantar fasciitis is inflammation of ligament
> AND bone .. IE: heel spurs .. you disagree .. ? ..
>
> Who cares ..
>
> You simply DON'T .. speak ABOUT .. **me** .. dig .. ?
>
> Because YOU have no solid evidence bisphosphonate will not work ..
> WHEN all evidence point to the FACT .. they will .. bisphosphonates
> will work therefore .. buckwheat porridge .. will work.
>
> Bisphosphonates reduce bone mineral loss at ligament entheses after
> joint injury.
> Osteoarthritis and Cartilage, Volume 13, Issue 9, Pages 790-797
> M. Doschak, J. LaMothe, D. Cooper, B. Hallgrimsson, D. Hanley, R.
> Bray, R. Zernicke
>
> http://www.thefinalsprint.com/tag/stress-fracture/
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> good grief, rusty rump! *there you go again! *from your url above:
>
> "Plantar fasciitis is an inflammation of the band of tissue, the plantar
> fascia, that connects the heel bone (calcaneus) to the forefoot, supporting
> your arch. When this area is strained through overuse or weaknesses, it
> causes irritation and inflammation, often causing pain in the heel first
> thing in the morning and .after long periods of sitting (see WebMD for more
> info on causes and symptoms). The bad news is that your foot simply needs
> rest. Helpful treatment includes icing the area (try ice massage), rolling
> the arch of your foot over a hard ball or frozen water bottle, and
> self-massage, as well as preventive strengthening exercises. . . ."
>
> tell us, please, where in that url article's definition above does it say
> that plantar faciitis is bone mineral loss? *or causes bone mineral loss? or
> is caused by bone mineral loss? *all it says is that it is an inflammation
> of the ligament that is connected to bone, "strained through overuse or
> weaknesses" that causes inflammation. (you don't bother reading what you
> post, do you?)
>
> therefore, why would any sane person treat soft tissue inflammation as if it
> were hard bone mineral loss? *and according to the study title you cited,
> "Bisphosphonates reduce bone mineral loss . . ." and it does not say,
> reduces plantar faciitis inflammation.
>
> now, go to your article-topic's associated web link:http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/p...topic-overview
>
> READ! *and STOP practicing medicine without a license! *and STOP confusing
> people with real illnesses and real injuries with your NONSENSE!.
>
> kate

On Jan 3, 4:28*pm, "Harvey R. Stone" <hrst...@swbell.net> wrote:Oh my
well said and understood. I just can not force myself to dig into
what he says deep enough. I wonder if he does this on purpose. He
gets
some kind of bang out of all this crap. <<

What .. ? .. explaining sht to ya .. ?

Nope .. don't get .. tired .. a .. bit .. there .. Harv ..

Need to know something .. ? .. ask ..

If you don't know what it is all about .. yet .. by .. now .. eh ..
Harv ..

Vegetarian .. diet and .. and .. iron reduction therapy .. 8ppm
iron .

Pretty easy ..

Isn't .. it ..

Phytate .. found in your plants .. IS a bisphosphonate WHICH .. go for
VERY big .. bucks ..

You disagree .. ?

THAT alone is something for that guy with no .. shoes .. to ..
know ..

Don't ya .. think so .. Harv .. ?

Comeon .. you ain't a fireman ..

You can say it ... for that little guy .. without that .. plan ..

Say it ..

"Bisphosphonates .. for .. FREE .. FREEEEEE .. FREEEEEEE .. "

You'deman .


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> Harv

> > therefore, why would any sane person treat soft tissue inflammation as if
> > it
> > were hard bone mineral loss? *and according to the study title you cited,
> > "Bisphosphonates reduce bone mineral loss . . ." and it does not say,
> > reduces plantar faciitis inflammation.
>
> > now, go to your article-topic's associated web link:
> >http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/p...topic-overview
>
> > READ! *and STOP practicing medicine without a license! *and STOP confusing
> > people with real illnesses and real injuries with your NONSENSE!.
>
> > kate
>
> Oh my well said and understood. * I just can not force myself to dig into
> what he says deep enough. * I wonder if he does this on purpose. *He gets
> some kind of bang out of all this crap.
> Harv

On Jan 3, 9:24*pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com>
wrote:Enthesis .. ever hear the word .. ?http://www.answers.com/topic/
enthesis?cat=health
Trauma causes bone loss where fasciitis meets the .. bone. <<

"Increased uptake, reactive remodeling, pain"

Bisphosphonates recommended for all of the above.

http://tinyurl.com/34lt5v

"The calcaneal insertion of the plantar fascia (enthesis) is the most
unyielding portion and may show increased uptake (bone scintigraphy)
indicative of a focal osseous stress reaction.22 If fascial elasticity
is altered, thereby affecting plantar biomechanics, the stresses
absorbed by the calcaneus with heel strike also may be affected.This
may cause microtrabecular strain culminating in reactive remodeling
and concomitant inflammatory (pain) responses. "


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Hi Adam,

I cannot address 'all' the causes or cures for plantar fasciitis. I can
only relate my experience with it.

I had a bout of p-f about seven years ago. I saw a podiatrist and was
given a 'steroidal cocktail' shot in the side of the heel. The shot
itself hurt like hell for a brief period (10-15 minutes) and the p-f
pain was gone within half a day. I took some Aleve in the interim and
never had a repeat.

Of course, my situation may have been very different from yours. Sorry,
I don't remember the costs involved, but it was just the one visit.

Hope you're back on your feet soon. :-)

Cheers Lee O.

P.S. Don't even bother to read Tommys dangerous drivel. And be assured
that the negative responses you saw were directed at him and not
yourself. L

"ironjustice" <teamtanner@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 3, 2:30 pm, "d'huit" <threeceda...@comcast2.net> wrote:good
grief, rusty rump! there you go again! from your url above: <<

The guy has bone .. pain .. bisphosphonates are RECOMMENDED ..
for .. ? .. bone pain .. plantar fasciitis is inflammation of
ligament
AND bone .. IE: heel spurs .. you disagree .. ? ..

Who cares ..

>> On Jan 3, 2:30 pm, "d'huit" <threeceda...@comcast2.net> wrote:
READ! and STOP practicing medicine without a license! <<

Eat your .. porridge .. ?

Hit the road .. you stupid cow ..

>> On Jan 3, 2:30 pm, "d'huit" <threeceda...@comcast2.net> wrote:tell us,
>> please, where in that url article's definition above does it say that
>> plantar faciitis is bone mineral loss? <<

Enthesis .. ever hear the word .. ?
http://www.answers.com/topic/enthesis?cat=health
Trauma causes bone loss where fasciitis meets the .. bone.

***that's NOT what the url you just provided said nor did the other url!
again, you are making assumptions and drawing erroneous, inapt and inane
conclusions/correlations where no conclusions/correlations exist! this url
merely said exactly what i thought enthesis meant, a connection to, junction
of, tissue to bone. there is also NOTHING mentioned about bone/heel spurs
nor mineral loss in either url you provided.

just because soft tissue or facia is inflammed, or even injured, does NOT
necessarily mean that connected bone is automatically going to be
deformed/or begin deforming, produce excessive calcification nor begin
demineralization. that's your imagination frenetically overworking itself!
trauma does NOT "always" cause bone loss where fascia meets the bone. (nor
do even injured joints "always" produce arthritic conditions, in the long
term either.)

annnnnd, our original poster wrote NOTHING, not one word, about experiencing
"bone pain". (i've had plantar fasciitis, many years ago and recently; and
i've had bone pain, on more occassions than i care to mention. if anybody
does, i certainly know the difference between bone pain and soft tissue
pain. and i have NO heel spurs.) that, too, is your imagination working on
overdrive. he certainly didn't tell you that he had "bone pain". you
either ASSumed, or simply wanted to believe he was experiencing "bone pain",
because that would allow you to make it (force it to) fit into what you
mistakenly believe is a valid paradigm that you've created with your
obsession. (i'll bet you use a paring knife on the pieces, while working a
jigsaw puzzle, too!)

kate
(mooooooooooo . . .)

On Jan 3, 11:42*pm, "d'huit" <threeceda...@comcast2.net>
wrote:***that's NOT what the url you just provided said nor did the
other url! <<

???

I have to explain sht .. to .. YOU .. as I go along .. ?

Enthesis .. ever hear the word .. ?
http://www.answers.com/topic/enthesis?cat=health
Trauma causes bone loss where fasciitis meets the .. bone.

On Jan 3, 11:42 pm, "d'huit" <threeceda...@comcast2.net> wrote:
again, you are making assumptions and drawing erroneous, inapt and
inane
conclusions/correlations where no conclusions/correlations exist! <<

I supplied TWO medical studies showing clearly .. where rubber meets
the road .. bone resorption / bone thinning takes .. PLACE. You ..
'say' .. "it isn't involved .. not NECESSARILY involved .. !!" IE:
"just because soft tissue or facia is inflammed, or even injured, does
NOT necessarily mean that connected bone is automatically going to be
deformed/or begin deforming, produce excessive calcification nor begin
demineralization. "

Now who really cares whether YOU .. 'agree' .. ?

The question IS .. can it BE .. ?

I supplied two articles saying bone disappearance DOES happen .. and
YOU 'say' .. not necessarily.

Well all I've ever heard in these groups is .. supportive or .. non-
supportive .. are VERY different .. matters ..

Being supportive is .. PRIMARY .. or so I've been told ..

YOUR .. foad .. attitude .. ON .. a thread in which studies WERE / are
provided .. is non-supportive ..

Just because YOU cannot understand / "confuse" .. something .. doesn't
mean ... others .. cannot.

In fact by what I've seen of you .. you rank pretty much in the lower
tenth of the .. class .. IN .. both meanings OF the word.

Who loves ya.
Tom


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> "ironjustice" <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f77803fa-9baf-41ae-a229-e7dc3243ce49@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 3, 2:30 pm, "d'huit" <threeceda...@comcast2.net> wrote:good
> grief, rusty rump! *there you go again! *from your url above: <<
>
> The guy has bone .. pain .. bisphosphonates are RECOMMENDED ..
> for .. ? .. bone pain .. plantar fasciitis is inflammation of
> ligament
> AND bone .. IE: heel spurs .. you disagree .. ? ..
>
> Who cares ..
>
> >> On Jan 3, 2:30 pm, "d'huit" <threeceda...@comcast2.net> wrote:
>
> READ! *and STOP practicing medicine without a license! *<<
>
> Eat your .. porridge .. ?
>
> Hit the road .. you stupid cow ..
>
> >> On Jan 3, 2:30 pm, "d'huit" <threeceda...@comcast2.net> wrote:tell us,
> >> please, where in that url article's definition above does it say that
> >> plantar faciitis is bone mineral loss? <<
>
> Enthesis .. ever hear the word .. ?http://www.answers.com/topic/enthesis?cat=health
> Trauma causes bone loss where fasciitis meets the .. bone.
>
> ***that's NOT what the url you just provided said nor did the other url!
> again, you are making assumptions and drawing erroneous, inapt and inane
> conclusions/correlations where no conclusions/correlations exist! *this url
> merely said exactly what i thought enthesis meant, a connection to, junction
> of, tissue to bone. *there is also NOTHING mentioned about bone/heel spurs
> nor mineral loss in either url you provided.
>
> just because soft tissue or facia is inflammed, or even injured, does NOT
> necessarily mean that connected bone is automatically going to be
> deformed/or begin deforming, produce excessive calcification nor begin
> demineralization. *that's your imagination frenetically overworking itself!
> trauma does NOT "always" cause bone loss where fascia meets the bone. (nor
> do even injured joints "always" produce arthritic conditions, in the long
> term either.)
>
> annnnnd, our original poster wrote NOTHING, not one word, about experiencing
> "bone pain". *(i've had plantar fasciitis, many years ago and recently; and
> i've had bone pain, on more occassions than i care to mention. *if anybody
> does, i certainly know the difference between bone pain and soft tissue
> pain. *and i have NO heel spurs.) *that, too, is your imagination working on
> overdrive. *he certainly didn't tell you that he had "bone pain". *you
> either ASSumed, or simply wanted to believe he was experiencing "bone pain",
> because that would allow you to make it (force it to) fit into what you
> mistakenly believe is a valid paradigm that you've created with your
> obsession. *(i'll bet you use a paring knife on the pieces, while working a
> jigsaw puzzle, too!)
>
> * kate
> (mooooooooooo . . .)

Actually Tom, I rarely have pain in my heel where a heel spur would exist. I
have pain in the mornings, which is very severe, and it is located just
behind the fifth metatarsal and comes all of the way up to my forefoot. It's
all beneath my foot though, right where the fascia is. I don't have any "bone
pain", it's all where that fascia is.
Actually, I looked at my MRI the other day, and it showed that I have no
calcification anywhere on my foot, which is a relief.
Look people, I am just a very passionate runner, biker, and swimmer. I wanted
to do the San Fransisco marathon, but I couldn't because this happened. I
wanted to do the iron man in Hawaii, but I couldn't because of this. I am in
pain every day of my life and the doctors, my parents, and now my friends say
that they can do no more for me. It's been a year since I've ran pain free,
or even since I've walked pain free. I just want this to go away. I don't
think I need doctors, or unlicensed health people. I need a miracle.
Yeah
~adam


ironjustice wrote:
>On Jan 3, 11:42 pm, "d'huit" <threeceda...@comcast2.net>
>wrote:***that's NOT what the url you just provided said nor did the
>other url! <<
>
>???
>
>I have to explain sht .. to .. YOU .. as I go along .. ?
>
>Enthesis .. ever hear the word .. ?
>http://www.answers.com/topic/enthesis?cat=health
>Trauma causes bone loss where fasciitis meets the .. bone.
>
>again, you are making assumptions and drawing erroneous, inapt and
>inane
>conclusions/correlations where no conclusions/correlations exist! <<