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Old 04-01-2007, 11:14 AM
rachel.person@gmail.com
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Default Psoriatic Arthritis anyone?

Hello-
I am new here. I am 25 yrs old and have had PA for two years now. It
is in my neck/spine and its incredibly painful. Does anyone here have
any experience with this? Anyone have good experiences with certain
medications? I am on a bunch now but I am still in a lot of pain.

thanks so much.

-rachel

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Old 04-02-2007, 08:06 PM
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On Mar 31, 8:13 pm, rachel.per...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello-
> I am new here. I am 25 yrs old and have had PA for two years now. It
> is in my neck/spine and its incredibly painful. Does anyone here have
> any experience with this? Anyone have good experiences with certain
> medications? I am on a bunch now but I am still in a lot of pain.
>
> thanks so much.
>
> -rachel


Welcome to our sandbox, Rachel. I am a PA'er, too. I'm 31, and was
diagnosed two years ago. My PA is mostly in my fingers & hands, which
is a bad thing, since I type for a living. I have a little stiffness
in my spine, too, but it isn't nearly as bad as the hands. I was on
MTX (methotrexate, sometimes called Trex-all) for a while, but it
didn't do anything to slow the progression of arthritis (it did
completely clear all my P, though!). Since I am allergic to sulpha
drugs, there really weren't any more cheap medications for my
insurance company to make me try, so I am now taking one of the
biological drugs, Humira. It has worked wonders for me. The
arthritis has stopped progressing, and the use of naproxen helps with
the morning stiffness.

Have you been to a rheumatologist (rheumy), or are you being treated
by your general practitioner or dermatologist. If you haven't been to
the rheumy, you really should get a referral. They know the latest
and greatest courses of treatment available to you.

There are some other PA'ers on this group, and I am sure they will
have other information for you. If you haven't been to the National
Psoriasis Foundation's webpage, you should really go check it out.
They have lots of good information about PA and P, as well as the
medications used to fight it. You can always come here & ask
questions, too.

Good Luck!

Plantmistress

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Old 04-02-2007, 11:06 PM
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On Apr 2, 2:57 pm, "Plantmistress" <plantmistr...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Mar 31, 8:13 pm, rachel.per...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Hello-
> > I am new here. I am 25 yrs old and have had PA for two years now. It
> > is in my neck/spine and its incredibly painful. Does anyone here have
> > any experience with this? Anyone have good experiences with certain
> > medications? I am on a bunch now but I am still in a lot of pain.

>
> > thanks so much.

>
> > -rachel

>
> Welcome to our sandbox, Rachel. I am a PA'er, too. I'm 31, and was
> diagnosed two years ago. My PA is mostly in my fingers & hands, which
> is a bad thing, since I type for a living. I have a little stiffness
> in my spine, too, but it isn't nearly as bad as the hands. I was on
> MTX (methotrexate, sometimes called Trex-all) for a while, but it
> didn't do anything to slow the progression of arthritis (it did
> completely clear all my P, though!). Since I am allergic to sulpha
> drugs, there really weren't any more cheap medications for my
> insurance company to make me try, so I am now taking one of the
> biological drugs, Humira. It has worked wonders for me. The
> arthritis has stopped progressing, and the use of naproxen helps with
> the morning stiffness.
>
> Have you been to a rheumatologist (rheumy), or are you being treated
> by your general practitioner or dermatologist. If you haven't been to
> the rheumy, you really should get a referral. They know the latest
> and greatest courses of treatment available to you.
>
> There are some other PA'ers on this group, and I am sure they will
> have other information for you. If you haven't been to the National
> Psoriasis Foundation's webpage, you should really go check it out.
> They have lots of good information about PA and P, as well as the
> medications used to fight it. You can always come here & ask
> questions, too.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Plantmistress


Hello Plant-
I am seeing a joint disease doctor at the moment. he is not a rheumie
but his specializes in joint pain and disease so I am in the right
place I woke up this morning in so much pain (its raining out) and
my joints are so sore, and typing this hurts. my general problem is in
the spine/neck so the onset of the pain in my hands, feet, hips and
knees is very frustrating. I am on relafen as a NSAID and it works
really well but i find that it is short acting and the pain comes back
quickly. i am also on some narcotics for the pain since it has been
pretty debilitating but find that even if i take a bunch of the
vicodin, my general pain is gone but aching hands and feet still
throb. I would like to get on some medication to stop the progression
like you mentioned but I worry about the side effects of things like
enbrel (and i dont think i could give myself a shot!!!)

I guess my point here is i am looking for medications that aren't
going to run havoc on my body or immune system that will really do the
trick. i know all of the major medications but hoping people can
provide proper insight into what kind of reactions they had and how
well they worked. i know my doctor has my best interest at heart but i
knew better than to try celebrex which is really bad for the heart. so
going into an appointment i always like to have as much knowledge as
possible.

thanks!
-rachel

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Old 04-03-2007, 08:08 PM
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Hi, Rachel. I am another PA'er, though I have no spinal involvement of the
arthritis. (have muscle probs there, but that's a different story!)

(the car guys would call this next part a dope slap)
You really, really need to be seeing a rheumatologist. PA is not truly a
joint disease, but rather an auto-immune disorder, or an immunological
disease. Treatment of arhtritis, especially auto-immune arthritis is far
more complex than many people realize and you need to see a doctor who
specializes in it. PA is NOT just a joint disease, and it does NOT effect
just the joints. You need a doctor who is fully alert to tendon and muscle
involvement as well as other complications that can develop from the disease
- such as the fibromyalgia I've developed after years of PA. Also, RDs
(rheumatologists) know much more about the fine distinctions between the
flavors of arthritis and the meds that treat them best. This includes
details about which of the new meds seems to work better for PA than for RA,
which additional probs are most likely to happen with each flavor, etc.

I know the side effects of the medications for auto-immune arthritis are
frightening, but the reality is there is no other way to effectively treat
these diseases at the moment. What is happening is that your immune system
for some reason is failing to recognize your healthy joints as healthy,
normal parts of your body and is attacking those joints. The only way
currently to stop or at least slow this process is to dampen down the immune
system. The meds that are available for this now are far more specialized
and with a more specific action than previously. They are also far, far more
effective than the options even 15 years ago. Avail yourself of these meds
and you can prevent further joint damage NOW, so you will suffer less of
permanently damaged joints. As you have spinal involvement for which a
relatively easy joint replacement is not available, you really should work
actively at preventing damage NOW.

The longer you hold off on taking any of the DMARDs (disesase-modifying
anti-rheumatic drugs), the more permanent, unrepairable damage will occur in
your affected joints. In the case of your spine, that also means you'll be
getting a lot of pressure on spinal nerves which will cause all sorts of
havoc throughout your body. Now is the time you have to decide what quality
of life you want in the years and decades to come. I know it's hard to have
to face this so young. My first inklings of PA came in my teen years though
as my dad had RA I expected that to be my flavor of arthritis. It fully
exploded on me at 28 and I've been dealing with this for almost 22 years now.
Believe me, the DMARDs we have now and the current thinking to use them
early is a real blessing. And until they figure out a way to reset our
immune systems, these drugs are our best option.

Meanwhile, keep in mind that the side effects are just possible problems -
you won't necessarily develop those problems! I've been on at least 14
different NSAIDs along the way. I had side effects from a few, but most of
thsoe changes were an attempt to find the most effective med for me. As for
DMARDs, I took plaquenil with no side effects, but it only helped for a few
months. If your psoriasis is moderate to severe, they probably won't even
try you on it as it can cause the skin disease to worsen.

Mtx helped for a while alone. Initially I had some major fatigue from it,
but my body adjusted over time so that was no longer a problem. No other
side effects, until we took me off it last year as part of trying to solve an
ongoing mystery of strange lab results. When mtx alone began failing for me,
we added arava. I actually did well on that combo and even kept my liver in
line with milk thistle and NO alcohol, but it isn't really recommended to
take those 2 together, esp. at the dosages I was on.

When we got better prescription coverage, we traded arava for enbrel. I have
had no side effects from it other than a bit of stinging or pain during
injection. Giving yourself the shot is actually much easier than you might
imagine. I had long since gotten over my old fear of needles thanks to
allergy skin tests and desensatization shots, but still didn't like the idea
of sticking myself. It turned out the needle goes in very easily. My
brother, a long-standing diabetic, tells me the modern silicone-coated
needles are much easier to use. I am very careful to stop the enbrel for any
infection and for more severe viruses as I've always been prone to developing
infections. Overall, I've done well with it thus far.

One of the even newer meds, humira or orencia - I forget which, appears to be
even more effective for PA that the others.

Oh, and while I'm at it, are you familiar with the National Psoriasis
Foundation? Hopefully you are. They really are a wonderful source for info
about Ps and PA.
--
Nann
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Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare

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Old 04-04-2007, 02:39 AM
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nann-
i have seen a rheumy as well as the join doctor i am working with now.
the diagnosis has been given to me by both. i understand that a rheumy
is the best for this situation but before my skin symptoms started and
i was just in pain, he was the only person who believed me and cared
about what i was going through. he is truly committed to stopping the
arthritis. i have to bring him down my latest xrays, blood work and
mri's before he put me on any DMARDs. i have seen 4 different doctors
to make sure my diagnosis was the right now and i did see two
different rheumy's and one of them told me that i had fibro but to
take some motrin and exercise and i would be fine. i've been dealing
with this pain for two years and i have a lot of knowledge about the
progression of the disease if untreated as well as other conditions
that can come about because of the PA. for example i have myofacial
pain on top of my PA. my doctor is a D.O. and specializes in chronic
pain, arthritis, sports medicine, rehab, and spine pain/injuries.

Yes I know all about the NPF. I look on there all the time for info
about my disease. I was only diagnosed a few months back so I am
trying to go into my appointments with as much information as
possible. I kind of pride myself in being the most well informed
patient the doctor sees that day . I took take milk thistle daily as
well as doing icky liver cleanses from time to time (cranberry juice +
flax seed oil + lemon juice) because of the APAP i am taking a day in
my vicodin. i also take glucosamine chondritin (i think i just
butchered the spelling of that!) which seems to help with my joints.

thanks for the info about the DMARDs. thats what i really need to
research before i go on one. i am a bit worried about how the enbrel
will effect my immune system. a friend is on it and gets sick all the
time because of it. im hoping that won't be the case with me if my
doctor decides to put me on it.

thanks for the advice!

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Old 04-04-2007, 02:11 PM
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:16:37 -0400, Nann Bell wrote
(in message <0001HW.C237DA060070BD8211B004D0@news.east.earthli nk.net>):

> Hi, Rachel. I am another PA'er, though I have no spinal involvement of the
> arthritis. (have muscle probs there, but that's a different story!)
>
> (the car guys would call this next part a dope slap)


hmmmmmmm, I should have put a LOL after that line....... sorry, I didn't
mean to sound rude! The problems with online communications......

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Old 04-04-2007, 02:11 PM
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On Apr 3, 11:30 pm, Nann Bell <hanbellGOGAT...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:16:37 -0400, Nann Bell wrote
> (in message <0001HW.C237DA060070BD8211B00...@news.east.earthli nk.net>):
>
> > Hi, Rachel. I am another PA'er, though I have no spinal involvement of the
> > arthritis. (have muscle probs there, but that's a different story!)

>
> > (the car guys would call this next part a dope slap)

>
> hmmmmmmm, I should have put a LOL after that line....... sorry, I didn't
> mean to sound rude! The problems with online communications......
>
> --
> Nann
> remove the Gator cheer to email me
> Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare


oh nann! its okay i didn't think you were being rude, just
assertive! i have had a lot of problems with finding the right doctor.
many don't care about your QOL (quality of life) and my doctor has a
great bedside manner as well as compassion and is determined to make
sure i am as close to my regular 25 yr old self as possible. i adore
him, so i am a bit defensive about him! haha. i hope i didnt sound
rude myself?!

best
-rachel

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Old 04-05-2007, 01:45 AM
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On Apr 3, 10:41 pm, "harshtruth" <rachel.per...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 11:30 pm, Nann Bell <hanbellGOGAT...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:16:37 -0400, Nann Bell wrote
> > (in message <0001HW.C237DA060070BD8211B00...@news.east.earthli nk.net>):

>
> > > Hi, Rachel. I am another PA'er, though I have no spinal involvement of the
> > > arthritis. (have muscle probs there, but that's a different story!)

>
> > > (the car guys would call this next part a dope slap)

>
> > hmmmmmmm, I should have put a LOL after that line....... sorry, I didn't
> > mean to sound rude! The problems with online communications......

>
> > --
> > Nann
> > remove the Gator cheer to email me
> > Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare

>
> oh nann! its okay i didn't think you were being rude, just
> assertive! i have had a lot of problems with finding the right doctor.
> many don't care about your QOL (quality of life) and my doctor has a
> great bedside manner as well as compassion and is determined to make
> sure i am as close to my regular 25 yr old self as possible. i adore
> him, so i am a bit defensive about him! haha. i hope i didnt sound
> rude myself?!
>
> best
> -rachel


Rachel,

I love my RD, too. I think at my ripe old age of 31, that I might be
a smidge older than he is. He does truly seem to care about my
quality of life - he even joined me in a rant about the insurance
company when they wouldn't approve my Humira at first. Have you had
the interesting experience of sitting in the RD's office with all
these older people looking at you - can't you just feel the wondering
looks & know they are thinking "where's her old person?" or "when I
was her age, aches & pains were something you didn't complain about!"
They almost look disapproving sometimes - especially when/if you get
called back to see the Dr. before them.

Anyway, it is good that you are doing research on all your options &
alternatives. It sounds like your Dr. is a good one, so hang on to
him.

Plantmistress (Shannon)

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Old 04-06-2007, 04:12 AM
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 23:41:57 -0400, harshtruth wrote
(in message <1175658116.952229.94230@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups. com>):

> oh nann! its okay i didn't think you were being rude, just
> assertive! i have had a lot of problems with finding the right doctor.
> many don't care about your QOL (quality of life) and my doctor has a
> great bedside manner as well as compassion and is determined to make
> sure i am as close to my regular 25 yr old self as possible. i adore
> him, so i am a bit defensive about him! haha. i hope i didnt sound
> rude myself?!
>
> best
> -rachel
>


nope. I just got off on the dope slap line from chatting with my DH while
typing! I'm being quiet for a couple of days now (hopefully no longer)
because winter has returned to northern MI with a vengence and my body thinks
it's been hit by an 18 wheeler that's lost its brakes on a steep downgrade.
(actually today is a bit better than yesterday, but I have stuff that wants
attention.)

It's good that you have found a doctor who will listen to you and you are
right - not all RDs are good. I've known a couple of bozos. I'm fortunate
to have also known many good ones and tend to forget others haven't been as
lucky with RDs as I have been.

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Old 04-06-2007, 04:12 AM
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On Apr 5, 9:59 am, Nann Bell <hanbellGOGAT...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 23:41:57 -0400, harshtruth wrote
> (in message <1175658116.952229.94...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups. com>):
>
> > oh nann! its okay i didn't think you were being rude, just
> > assertive! i have had a lot of problems with finding the right doctor.
> > many don't care about your QOL (quality of life) and my doctor has a
> > great bedside manner as well as compassion and is determined to make
> > sure i am as close to my regular 25 yr old self as possible. i adore
> > him, so i am a bit defensive about him! haha. i hope i didnt sound
> > rude myself?!

>
> > best
> > -rachel

>
> nope. I just got off on the dope slap line from chatting with my DH while
> typing! I'm being quiet for a couple of days now (hopefully no longer)
> because winter has returned to northern MI with a vengence and my body thinks
> it's been hit by an 18 wheeler that's lost its brakes on a steep downgrade.
> (actually today is a bit better than yesterday, but I have stuff that wants
> attention.)
>
> It's good that you have found a doctor who will listen to you and you are
> right - not all RDs are good. I've known a couple of bozos. I'm fortunate
> to have also known many good ones and tend to forget others haven't been as
> lucky with RDs as I have been.
>
> --
> Nann
> remove the Gator cheer to email me
> Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare


nann-
it snowed all night over here too in northern Massachusetts. I feel
the exact same way. Typing is difficult so this had to be short. I
feel so old and I'm only 25
spring please come back!!

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