RE: Lurker Steps Out

Hello Java Jean! No, I'm not from Michigan; but I am from your rival state:
Ohio ;-) You should post more; you have a cute sense of humor. Nanny

On 8/19/2008 7:50 AM, goutjazz@swbell.net wrote to All:

-> As a long-time lurker shy about making my presence known (I'm not all
that
-> computer-literate!), I'm finally breaking my silence to make a comment.
And
-> that would be--I'm amazed at the number of posters who are from
Michigan!
-> Nann, and Donna, and Mel--probably more, but I am unable to add them
to the
-> list at the moment (speak up, Michiganders)--and now, ME! Wow. What
is it
-> about the Big Mitten that churns out so many members, here?
->
-> BTW, I think this is in general a terrific group! I have RA, and have
-> learned way more from all of you over the years than I have the doctors I
-> have visited. Example: I was told by one so-called rheumatologist that
-> there is no way I could have RA (never mind I had been diagnosed with RA
by
-> five other rheumatologists prior to my visit with this wonder!) because I
-> didn't have the "swan's hands." Stop and think about that for a
moment. .
-> .. . . . . . . . . . Okay, time's up. That's sorta like saying a tomato
-> plant cannot be a tomato plant unless and until it produces a tomato. But
I
-> digress. And a good thing, too, because I have way more horror stories
than
-> anyone should ever rack up in one lifetime!
->
-> Mel, you are in the Tri-cities area; Nann, you are somewhere near Alpena.
I
-> don't know where you are from, Donna. But I am from Mt. Pleasant, home
of
-> Central Michigan University--woo-hoo!
->
-> I haven't lived in Michigan for many years, but it was a great place to
grow
-> up, and I am so saddened to hear about all the economic problems y'all
are
-> having. (That's a clue as to what part of the country I live in now!)
->
-> Go Wolverines!
->
-> Java Jean
->
->

Thank you, Nanny--for both the welcome and the nice compliment!

No rivalry from my point of view. But I seem to vaguely remember some kind
of border dispute between MI and OH way back when that wasn't all that warm
and fuzzy! That would be the southern border of MI and the northern border
of OH--and one of those two states kinda got shafted when all the dust
settled. Don't remember all the gory details. It's been a long time since
I studied MI state history!

OH can't be all bad--most of my family migrated there from PA, clustered in
and around Williams County, and then gradually dribbled north across the
(formerly disputed) state line into southern MI. See what happens when
there's no border control? So somewhere in the genetic makeup there lingers
a little touch of OH, still. Increasingly diluted, I must admit . . . .

I'm pretty sure it's okay that we talk to each other now. :-)

Java Jean






"Gloria Wolfe" <gloria.wolfe@fidotel.com> wrote in message
news:1219200768.11.1219154425@fidotel.com...
> Hello Java Jean! No, I'm not from Michigan; but I am from your rival
> state:
> Ohio ;-) You should post more; you have a cute sense of humor. Nanny
>
>

Here's from another Michigander - born and raised in good old AA.
Welcome JJ. My name is Jean, too. Loujean, actually, but went by Jean for
many years. Hated the boys calling me Eugene!!
I think what you are referring to is when there was a decision to be made
about the UP. Michigan could have it if it would give up an area below
Detroit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War

"Under the compromise Michigan gave up its claim to the strip in exchange
for its statehood and approximately three-quarters of the Upper Peninsula.
Although the compromise was considered a poor outcome for Michigan at the
time, the later discovery of copper and iron deposits and the plentiful
timber in the Upper Peninsula more than compensated for the loss of the
strip. "

The reason I remembered that was because my Mom and I were talking about it
a year or so ago.
--
Navy
Take out the FISH to email me.


"Waltzing Matilda" <goutjazz@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:r3Vqk.7477$np7.2299@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
> Thank you, Nanny--for both the welcome and the nice compliment!
>
> No rivalry from my point of view. But I seem to vaguely remember some kind
> of border dispute between MI and OH way back when that wasn't all that
> warm and fuzzy! That would be the southern border of MI and the northern
> border of OH--and one of those two states kinda got shafted when all the
> dust settled. Don't remember all the gory details. It's been a long time
> since I studied MI state history!
>
> OH can't be all bad--most of my family migrated there from PA, clustered
> in and around Williams County, and then gradually dribbled north across
> the (formerly disputed) state line into southern MI. See what happens
> when there's no border control? So somewhere in the genetic makeup there
> lingers a little touch of OH, still. Increasingly diluted, I must admit .
> . . .
>
> I'm pretty sure it's okay that we talk to each other now. :-)
>
> Java Jean
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Gloria Wolfe" <gloria.wolfe@fidotel.com> wrote in message
> news:1219200768.11.1219154425@fidotel.com...
>> Hello Java Jean! No, I'm not from Michigan; but I am from your rival
>> state:
>> Ohio ;-) You should post more; you have a cute sense of humor. Nanny
>>
>>
>
>

Thank you, Loujean!

You pegged it--that's exactly the event I partially and vaguely had in mind.
How nice of you to do the scholarly legwork, too. That's impressive! MI
definitely came out on the winning side with this settlement.

There really are quite a few Michiganders on this site, aren't there!
(Sadly.)

Java Jean




"loujeanb" <medical23SkidooFISH@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:wcNNTP.01c902f4.3a028810.11.1219240818@fidote l.com...
> Here's from another Michigander - born and raised in good old AA.
> Welcome JJ. My name is Jean, too. Loujean, actually, but went by Jean
> for many years. Hated the boys calling me Eugene!!
> I think what you are referring to is when there was a decision to be made
> about the UP. Michigan could have it if it would give up an area below
> Detroit.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War
>
> "Under the compromise Michigan gave up its claim to the strip in exchange
> for its statehood and approximately three-quarters of the Upper Peninsula.
> Although the compromise was considered a poor outcome for Michigan at the
> time, the later discovery of copper and iron deposits and the plentiful
> timber in the Upper Peninsula more than compensated for the loss of the
> strip. "
>
> The reason I remembered that was because my Mom and I were talking about
> it a year or so ago.
> --
> Navy
> Take out the FISH to email me.
>
>
> "Waltzing Matilda" <goutjazz@swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:r3Vqk.7477$np7.2299@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> Thank you, Nanny--for both the welcome and the nice compliment!
>>
>> No rivalry from my point of view. But I seem to vaguely remember some
>> kind of border dispute between MI and OH way back when that wasn't all
>> that warm and fuzzy! That would be the southern border of MI and the
>> northern border of OH--and one of those two states kinda got shafted when
>> all the dust settled. Don't remember all the gory details. It's been a
>> long time since I studied MI state history!
>>
>> OH can't be all bad--most of my family migrated there from PA, clustered
>> in and around Williams County, and then gradually dribbled north across
>> the (formerly disputed) state line into southern MI. See what happens
>> when there's no border control? So somewhere in the genetic makeup there
>> lingers a little touch of OH, still. Increasingly diluted, I must admit
>> . . . .
>>
>> I'm pretty sure it's okay that we talk to each other now. :-)
>>
>> Java Jean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Gloria Wolfe" <gloria.wolfe@fidotel.com> wrote in message
>> news:1219200768.11.1219154425@fidotel.com...
>>> Hello Java Jean! No, I'm not from Michigan; but I am from your rival
>>> state:
>>> Ohio ;-) You should post more; you have a cute sense of humor. Nanny
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

My pleasure. I love doing research. Something new comes up on TV that Mom
and I don't know, she'll say, "That's ok, you'll look it up on the
internet!" I keep a small pad of paper next to my chair in the living room
where we watch TV. Then if something new or unknown comes up, I can note it
down. One night I even went to two sheets! I don't remember what we
watched, though! The secret on the Internet is knowing *what* to ask and
*how* to ask it.

--
Navy
Take out the FISH to email me.
"Waltzing Matilda" <goutjazz@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:In_qk.7511$np7.7353@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
> Thank you, Loujean!
>
> You pegged it--that's exactly the event I partially and vaguely had in
> mind. How nice of you to do the scholarly legwork, too. That's
> impressive! MI definitely came out on the winning side with this
> settlement.
>
> There really are quite a few Michiganders on this site, aren't there!
> (Sadly.)
>
> Java Jean
>
>
>
>
> "loujeanb" <medical23SkidooFISH@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:wcNNTP.01c902f4.3a028810.11.1219240818@fidote l.com...
>> Here's from another Michigander - born and raised in good old AA.
>> Welcome JJ. My name is Jean, too. Loujean, actually, but went by Jean
>> for many years. Hated the boys calling me Eugene!!
>> I think what you are referring to is when there was a decision to be made
>> about the UP. Michigan could have it if it would give up an area below
>> Detroit.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War
>>
>> "Under the compromise Michigan gave up its claim to the strip in exchange
>> for its statehood and approximately three-quarters of the Upper
>> Peninsula. Although the compromise was considered a poor outcome for
>> Michigan at the time, the later discovery of copper and iron deposits and
>> the plentiful timber in the Upper Peninsula more than compensated for the
>> loss of the strip. "
>>
>> The reason I remembered that was because my Mom and I were talking about
>> it a year or so ago.
>> --
>> Navy
>> Take out the FISH to email me.
>>
>>
>> "Waltzing Matilda" <goutjazz@swbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:r3Vqk.7477$np7.2299@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>> Thank you, Nanny--for both the welcome and the nice compliment!
>>>
>>> No rivalry from my point of view. But I seem to vaguely remember some
>>> kind of border dispute between MI and OH way back when that wasn't all
>>> that warm and fuzzy! That would be the southern border of MI and the
>>> northern border of OH--and one of those two states kinda got shafted
>>> when all the dust settled. Don't remember all the gory details. It's
>>> been a long time since I studied MI state history!
>>>
>>> OH can't be all bad--most of my family migrated there from PA, clustered
>>> in and around Williams County, and then gradually dribbled north across
>>> the (formerly disputed) state line into southern MI. See what happens
>>> when there's no border control? So somewhere in the genetic makeup
>>> there lingers a little touch of OH, still. Increasingly diluted, I must
>>> admit . . . .
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure it's okay that we talk to each other now. :-)
>>>
>>> Java Jean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gloria Wolfe" <gloria.wolfe@fidotel.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1219200768.11.1219154425@fidotel.com...
>>>> Hello Java Jean! No, I'm not from Michigan; but I am from your rival
>>>> state:
>>>> Ohio ;-) You should post more; you have a cute sense of humor. Nanny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Yeah, Michigan. I still like South Carolina, especially when they talk
about they've had 12 inches or more of snow on the ground since before
Christmas! I imagine there are a lot of us floating around the country.

--
Navy
Take out the FISH to email me.
"Waltzing Matilda" <goutjazz@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:In_qk.7511$np7.7353@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
> Thank you, Loujean!
>
> You pegged it--that's exactly the event I partially and vaguely had in
> mind. How nice of you to do the scholarly legwork, too. That's
> impressive! MI definitely came out on the winning side with this
> settlement.
>
> There really are quite a few Michiganders on this site, aren't there!
> (Sadly.)
>
> Java Jean
>
>
>
>
> "loujeanb" <medical23SkidooFISH@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:wcNNTP.01c902f4.3a028810.11.1219240818@fidote l.com...
>> Here's from another Michigander - born and raised in good old AA.
>> Welcome JJ. My name is Jean, too. Loujean, actually, but went by Jean
>> for many years. Hated the boys calling me Eugene!!
>> I think what you are referring to is when there was a decision to be made
>> about the UP. Michigan could have it if it would give up an area below
>> Detroit.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War
>>
>> "Under the compromise Michigan gave up its claim to the strip in exchange
>> for its statehood and approximately three-quarters of the Upper
>> Peninsula. Although the compromise was considered a poor outcome for
>> Michigan at the time, the later discovery of copper and iron deposits and
>> the plentiful timber in the Upper Peninsula more than compensated for the
>> loss of the strip. "
>>
>> The reason I remembered that was because my Mom and I were talking about
>> it a year or so ago.
>> --
>> Navy
>> Take out the FISH to email me.
>>
>>
>> "Waltzing Matilda" <goutjazz@swbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:r3Vqk.7477$np7.2299@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>> Thank you, Nanny--for both the welcome and the nice compliment!
>>>
>>> No rivalry from my point of view. But I seem to vaguely remember some
>>> kind of border dispute between MI and OH way back when that wasn't all
>>> that warm and fuzzy! That would be the southern border of MI and the
>>> northern border of OH--and one of those two states kinda got shafted
>>> when all the dust settled. Don't remember all the gory details. It's
>>> been a long time since I studied MI state history!
>>>
>>> OH can't be all bad--most of my family migrated there from PA, clustered
>>> in and around Williams County, and then gradually dribbled north across
>>> the (formerly disputed) state line into southern MI. See what happens
>>> when there's no border control? So somewhere in the genetic makeup
>>> there lingers a little touch of OH, still. Increasingly diluted, I must
>>> admit . . . .
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure it's okay that we talk to each other now. :-)
>>>
>>> Java Jean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gloria Wolfe" <gloria.wolfe@fidotel.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1219200768.11.1219154425@fidotel.com...
>>>> Hello Java Jean! No, I'm not from Michigan; but I am from your rival
>>>> state:
>>>> Ohio ;-) You should post more; you have a cute sense of humor. Nanny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Methinks we are kindred spirits, Loujean. I love doing research, too. I'm
not as successful as I might be, I suspect, because I am not all that
computer literate. (Yet.) I'm more or less a "keyboard" person--never have
totally made the intellectual transition from keyboard to the idea of
"computer." Nevertheless, I keep trying. . . . I may have lost some
physical ground with the RA, but that mental curiosity that has been so
active all my life is still there and prodding me to keep learning.

Do you suppose growing up in a college town had something to do with that?
I definitely do. There's something about being close to an academic center
that spreads throughout the community and affects it and its residents in
many subtle ways.

I've often felt that living in today's world has so many more benefits for
the chronically afflicted than, say, 150 years ago, 100 years ago, or even
50 years ago. Just look at all we have right at our fingertips when we are
unable to get out and about! Telephones, radio, TV, the internet, books
delivered right to your door, support groups online--it's absolutely amazing
how much of the world we can access. We can continue to stay engaged in the
world in so many ways.

In Randy Pausch's book, "The Last Lecture," he asserts there are two kinds
of families: (1) Those who cannot get through dinner without the
encyclopedia, and (2) those who can. Suppertime, in my family's house, when
I was growing up, often ended up with encyclopedias, textbooks,
dictionaries, and heaven-only-knows-what-else scattered across the table. I
have a hunch you also came from a #1 kind of family!

Java Jean




> My pleasure. I love doing research. Something new comes up on TV that
> Mom and I don't know, she'll say, "That's ok, you'll look it up on the
> internet!" I keep a small pad of paper next to my chair in the living
> room where we watch TV. Then if something new or unknown comes up, I can
> note it down. One night I even went to two sheets! I don't remember what
> we watched, though! The secret on the Internet is knowing *what* to ask
> and *how* to ask it.
>
> --

more comment to come, but I have to look upon the internet how best to cook
that venison steak someone gave us...........

--
Nann
remove the Gator cheer to email me
Change everything. Love & forgive.



On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:23:12 -0400, Waltzing Matilda wrote
(in message <qoirk.18961$jI5.2083@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com>):

> Methinks we are kindred spirits, Loujean. I love doing research, too. I'm
> not as successful as I might be, I suspect, because I am not all that
> computer literate. (Yet.) I'm more or less a "keyboard" person--never have
> totally made the intellectual transition from keyboard to the idea of
> "computer." Nevertheless, I keep trying. . . . I may have lost some
> physical ground with the RA, but that mental curiosity that has been so
> active all my life is still there and prodding me to keep learning.
>
> Do you suppose growing up in a college town had something to do with that?
> I definitely do. There's something about being close to an academic center
> that spreads throughout the community and affects it and its residents in
> many subtle ways.
>
> I've often felt that living in today's world has so many more benefits for
> the chronically afflicted than, say, 150 years ago, 100 years ago, or even
> 50 years ago. Just look at all we have right at our fingertips when we are
> unable to get out and about! Telephones, radio, TV, the internet, books
> delivered right to your door, support groups online--it's absolutely amazing
> how much of the world we can access. We can continue to stay engaged in the
> world in so many ways.
>
> In Randy Pausch's book, "The Last Lecture," he asserts there are two kinds
> of families: (1) Those who cannot get through dinner without the
> encyclopedia, and (2) those who can. Suppertime, in my family's house, when
> I was growing up, often ended up with encyclopedias, textbooks,
> dictionaries, and heaven-only-knows-what-else scattered across the table. I
> have a hunch you also came from a #1 kind of family!
>
> Java Jean
>
>
>
>
>> My pleasure. I love doing research. Something new comes up on TV that
>> Mom and I don't know, she'll say, "That's ok, you'll look it up on the
>> internet!" I keep a small pad of paper next to my chair in the living
>> room where we watch TV. Then if something new or unknown comes up, I can
>> note it down. One night I even went to two sheets! I don't remember what
>> we watched, though! The secret on the Internet is knowing *what* to ask
>> and *how* to ask it.
>>
>> --
>
>

Well, sometimes it was just me. But I had boys that would ask all sorts of
questions and if I didn't know the answer we would look it up. The one that
really threw me, though, was what one son popped up with as I was driving
along. "Mom, what's a whorehouse?" !!! Fortunately, we had discussed many
things, so it didn't throw me quite as much as it would other people. I
thought for a minute and then the answer came to me. I said, "It's a place
where women have sex for money instead of for love." "Oh, ok." and that was
it. I guess he found out what happens with sex as he is the father of my
precious Scarlett.
--
Navy
Take out the FISH to email me.
"Waltzing Matilda" <goutjazz@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:qoirk.18961$jI5.2083@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
> Methinks we are kindred spirits, Loujean. I love doing research, too.
> I'm not as successful as I might be, I suspect, because I am not all that
> computer literate. (Yet.) I'm more or less a "keyboard" person--never
> have totally made the intellectual transition from keyboard to the idea of
> "computer." Nevertheless, I keep trying. . . . I may have lost some
> physical ground with the RA, but that mental curiosity that has been so
> active all my life is still there and prodding me to keep learning.
>
> Do you suppose growing up in a college town had something to do with that?
> I definitely do. There's something about being close to an academic
> center that spreads throughout the community and affects it and its
> residents in many subtle ways.
>
> I've often felt that living in today's world has so many more benefits for
> the chronically afflicted than, say, 150 years ago, 100 years ago, or even
> 50 years ago. Just look at all we have right at our fingertips when we
> are unable to get out and about! Telephones, radio, TV, the internet,
> books delivered right to your door, support groups online--it's absolutely
> amazing how much of the world we can access. We can continue to stay
> engaged in the world in so many ways.
>
> In Randy Pausch's book, "The Last Lecture," he asserts there are two kinds
> of families: (1) Those who cannot get through dinner without the
> encyclopedia, and (2) those who can. Suppertime, in my family's house,
> when I was growing up, often ended up with encyclopedias, textbooks,
> dictionaries, and heaven-only-knows-what-else scattered across the table.
> I have a hunch you also came from a #1 kind of family!
>
> Java Jean
>
>
>
>
>> My pleasure. I love doing research. Something new comes up on TV that
>> Mom and I don't know, she'll say, "That's ok, you'll look it up on the
>> internet!" I keep a small pad of paper next to my chair in the living
>> room where we watch TV. Then if something new or unknown comes up, I can
>> note it down. One night I even went to two sheets! I don't remember
>> what we watched, though! The secret on the Internet is knowing *what* to
>> ask and *how* to ask it.
>>
>> --
>
>

"Nann Bell" <hanbellGOGATORS@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C4D3559C00FBD8AAF0284550@news.east.ear thlink.net...
> more comment to come, but I have to look upon the internet how best to
> cook
> that venison steak someone gave us...........
>
> --
> Nann

Oh my,,,, venison steak,,,, reminds me of the time that the butcher came
after me with a cleaver on my second job one day. The day before,, he was
gone for the day and I was working in the evening. A man came in and asked
if he could use the stores meat band saw on a deer he had killed. I said
sure if you clean it up after you use it. After the guy left, I forgot to
check the saw and the butcher was waiting on me the next day.. Boy oh boy
did I clean that saw up Goooood. The other guy that worked with us
laughed and laughed and laughed while he sat on his buttt behind the
register (all he ever did). He died of heart failure 6 months later and I
found out why he sat on his buttttt all the time. The butcher was a short
thin man that walked around each day with several bullets here and there
where a Zero shot him up after he hit the silk when he jumped out of his
tail gunner position on a DC-something during the second world war. Let me
tell you,,, he was 7 foot tall when he was mad at me and that clever in his
hand. LOLOL

Harv

LOLOL! Harv - you have some of the best stories!

Heh, and that reminds me - when Mike hit a deer driving home one night, he
was asked later if he'd stopped and collected the meat - or at least the best
cuts. They said you aren't a true northern Michigander until you harvest, if
you will, the deer you accidentally kill. Mike decided he'll never be truely
of the area then!

--
Nann
remove the Gator cheer to email me
Change everything. Love & forgive.


On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:53:07 -0400, Harvey R. Stone wrote
(in message <FKqrk.20452$uE5.6880@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com>):

> Oh my,,,, venison steak,,,, reminds me of the time that the butcher came
> after me with a cleaver on my second job one day. The day before,, he was
> gone for the day and I was working in the evening. A man came in and asked
> if he could use the stores meat band saw on a deer he had killed. I said
> sure if you clean it up after you use it. After the guy left, I forgot to
> check the saw and the butcher was waiting on me the next day.. Boy oh boy
> did I clean that saw up Goooood. The other guy that worked with us
> laughed and laughed and laughed while he sat on his buttt behind the
> register (all he ever did). He died of heart failure 6 months later and I
> found out why he sat on his buttttt all the time. The butcher was a short
> thin man that walked around each day with several bullets here and there
> where a Zero shot him up after he hit the silk when he jumped out of his
> tail gunner position on a DC-something during the second world war. Let me
> tell you,,, he was 7 foot tall when he was mad at me and that clever in his
> hand. LOLOL
>
> Harv
>
>

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:23:12 -0400, Waltzing Matilda wrote
(in message <qoirk.18961$jI5.2083@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com>):

> Methinks we are kindred spirits, Loujean. I love doing research, too. I'm
> not as successful as I might be, I suspect, because I am not all that
> computer literate.

well, if you know how to search on Google, that's about all the computer
literates you need for looking things up. That and the knowledge to look
around at several sites, or to look at the sources, to decide on the site's
veracity.
>
> Do you suppose growing up in a college town had something to do with that?
> I definitely do. There's something about being close to an academic center
> that spreads throughout the community and affects it and its residents in
> many subtle ways.
Isn't that so true? When I lived in Gainesville (Home of Univ. of Florida,
if you can't guess from my spam block, heehee) I was really aware of how even
the folks who barely finished high school were curious about things. At the
hospital where I worked, even the housekeeping staff had a fair amount of
medical knowledge - just picked up from asking questions and listening to the
answers.

It also seemed to pay off in terms of self-respect of the people - folks
really wouldn't put up with being mistreated at work and employers had to
treat their folks decently or they would walk. But employers who value
knowledgeable workers will flock to college towns. It makes such a
difference in the quality of life overall.
>
> I've often felt that living in today's world has so many more benefits for
> the chronically afflicted than, say, 150 years ago, 100 years ago, or even
> 50 years ago.

even more than 20 years ago. When I was first diagnosed, I read everything I
could get my hands on in Asheville, NC, where I lived at the time. Being a
student at UNC-A then, I was able to go through the university library at
will. I found some valuable stuff, but a few hours spent going through old
posts on this group would tell me all I learned then. I was blessed with an
execllent first RD, but would I have known it then if he was a poorly
informed one? (though I was working at a hospital there, too & has asked
around a lot before choosing my PCP and that PCP approved of this RD....)
>
> In Randy Pausch's book, "The Last Lecture," he asserts there are two kinds
> of families: (1) Those who cannot get through dinner without the
> encyclopedia, and (2) those who can. Suppertime, in my family's house, when
> I was growing up, often ended up with encyclopedias, textbooks,
> dictionaries, and heaven-only-knows-what-else scattered across the table.

we used to be like that, but don't seem to do it as much when we are together
for dinner now. That may well be because we have so much else to catch up on
now though. When we gather at Mother's house, there's always trouble if
she's moved her dictionaries & we can't find them! LOL - but there's always
the computer to look things up on now. With the computer, she gave away the
1948 Encyclopdia Britainnica (sp?) that Daddy bought years & years ago (used,
but slightly back then). He used to read that in the evenings - just sit
down & read the Encyclopedia for a while. It was disappointing for me though
when i was first hearing aout Iwo Jima and it wasn't in there..... (published
too soon after the war).

When i first left home for college in Ft. Worth, I felt like I'd left an
entire reference library back home in my family. Hardly a surprise that I
ultimately married someone with his own treasure trove of trivia in his mind.


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"Nann Bell" <hanbellGOGATORS@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> LOLOL! Harv - you have some of the best stories!
>
> Heh, and that reminds me - when Mike hit a deer driving home one night, he
> was asked later if he'd stopped and collected the meat - or at least the
> best
> cuts. They said you aren't a true northern Michigander until you harvest,
> if
> you will, the deer you accidentally kill. Mike decided he'll never be
> truely
> of the area then!
>
> --
> Nann

LOLOL,,, Those deer ticks come with the cuts of meat and as the meat cools
in the back of your car,,,, they become part of your life. Ask Di about
those ticks.... and you can only do that in certain times of the year.
I knew a man that kept a double sided walk in ref. with the deep meat
that come from the garden near his house and he sold the meat. Its the law
that you can protect your garden from deer but this guy had a 6 or 7 foot
fence with a three wire set up that leaned into the garden..... which means
that the deer could jump in but not out.... He had a cement pad with a
tripod hoist a hose to clean up his work.
Myself,,, it has to be cooked a certain way and is usually tuffff but
makes good chili meat. Hhhhm, I remember the time when about 30 or so
guys cooked chili in large black iron kettles with iced beer and a guy that
made marguerites' all night all the good stuff in them. Another guy brought
french bread already lightly cooked with garlic butter and we ran out of
that real fast. I think we could of elected sheriffsss, mayors, and gov's
that night because we had a barrel of beans on the fire to produce enough
gas for that kind of discussion. :-) Politics,,,, Texas style wayyy out in
the country.
Harv

You went to college in FORT WORTH? Yowza! That's purt-near in my backyard.
(Love to hear the locals say "purt-near," as in "almost"!!)

We moved to the DFW area 10 years ago--left my subtly beautiful desert
surroundings in El Paso, reluctantly, and followed husband to North Texas,
compliments of his employer. I know El Paso is looked down upon as an
orphaned, grimy, runny-nosed step-child by the rest of Texas, but I really
found it an interesting and, in some funky ways, being right on the border,
more cosmopolitan than Dallas! At least in terms of tolerance for
"otherness." Lived there for 17 years, and really enjoyed it. No small
part of that enjoyment came from living close to UTEP and following the
rhythm of the school year as evidenced by the amount of cars parked along
our street. You definitely knew when school was in session! Bumper to
bumper up and down the entire street. And you also knew when it was MWF,
the days of the week most students were on campus! TTh the curb space in
front of our house was not so much in demand.

Well, I'll be dipped! (Another local expression. Did you guess?) How long
were you in FW?

I am not fond of the Dallas part of the DFW metroplex. (Sorry, Dallasites.)
FW seems to have a more laid-back aura, and I've enjoyed visiting the
stockyards, watching the longhorns meander along the streets, etc. There is
a charming little railroad that runs from Grapevine, TX, to FW and then back
later that same day several times a week--the Tarantula Express. LOL We've
taken that trip twice. The railroad station in FW is very close to the
stockyard area, with lots of little shops and restaurants. Makes for a
great one-day outing. I think it leaves Grapevine about 1:00, and returns
about 9-10:00 at night. They give you just enough time to wander around,
sightsee, do some shopping, get a nice meal, and watch the longhorns being
herded through the area. The "Running of the Longhorns." HA. We took my
sister-in-law over there once, and she was soooooo disappointed the
longhorns didn't actually run! "They're just ambling--shuffling," she said.
Yup. They were. But I wanna tell you, SIL, you really do NOT want to see
them a-runnin'! Boy, howdy, you want those steers only to shuffle and
amble!!!

Well, being from Mt. Pleasant, it's no surprise that I would prefer that
less urban, small-town feel! Which El Paso had, despite its extensive
geographic sprawl wrapping around the foot of the Franklin Mountains and
running along the Rio Grande for miles and miles. It covers a lot of miles,
but still used to have that small-town feel to it.

I saw in the paper this A.M. that the drug cartel problems in Juarez (right
across the Rio from El Paso) continue to escalate, and that is so sad to
read! When we first moved to EP 27 years ago, going to Juarez for dinner or
to shop was relatively safe. You could walk across the bridge almost any
time of the day or night, have a very nice time for very little money, and
feel very comfortable. I'm so sorry it has changed so radically! The small
shop-owners must be suffering.

So now I have lots of green again, and four distinct seasons. But I think
overall I was happier in El Paso. . . .

Java Jean



"Nann Bell" <hanbellGOGATORS@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:23:12 -0400, Waltzing Matilda wrote
> (in message <qoirk.18961$jI5.2083@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com>):
>
>> Methinks we are kindred spirits, Loujean. I love doing research, too.
>> I'm
>> not as successful as I might be, I suspect, because I am not all that
>> computer literate.
>
> well, if you know how to search on Google, that's about all the computer
> literates you need for looking things up. That and the knowledge to look
> around at several sites, or to look at the sources, to decide on the
> site's
> veracity.
>>
>> Do you suppose growing up in a college town had something to do with
>> that?
>> I definitely do. There's something about being close to an academic
>> center
>> that spreads throughout the community and affects it and its residents in
>> many subtle ways.
> Isn't that so true? When I lived in Gainesville (Home of Univ. of
> Florida,
> if you can't guess from my spam block, heehee) I was really aware of how
> even
> the folks who barely finished high school were curious about things. At
> the
> hospital where I worked, even the housekeeping staff had a fair amount of
> medical knowledge - just picked up from asking questions and listening to
> the
> answers.
>
> It also seemed to pay off in terms of self-respect of the people - folks
> really wouldn't put up with being mistreated at work and employers had to
> treat their folks decently or they would walk. But employers who value
> knowledgeable workers will flock to college towns. It makes such a
> difference in the quality of life overall.
>>
>> I've often felt that living in today's world has so many more benefits
>> for
>> the chronically afflicted than, say, 150 years ago, 100 years ago, or
>> even
>> 50 years ago.
>
> even more than 20 years ago. When I was first diagnosed, I read
> everything I
> could get my hands on in Asheville, NC, where I lived at the time. Being
> a
> student at UNC-A then, I was able to go through the university library at
> will. I found some valuable stuff, but a few hours spent going through
> old
> posts on this group would tell me all I learned then. I was blessed with
> an
> execllent first RD, but would I have known it then if he was a poorly
> informed one? (though I was working at a hospital there, too & has asked
> around a lot before choosing my PCP and that PCP approved of this RD....)
>>
>> In Randy Pausch's book, "The Last Lecture," he asserts there are two
>> kinds
>> of families: (1) Those who cannot get through dinner without the
>> encyclopedia, and (2) those who can. Suppertime, in my family's house,
>> when
>> I was growing up, often ended up with encyclopedias, textbooks,
>> dictionaries, and heaven-only-knows-what-else scattered across the table.
>
> we used to be like that, but don't seem to do it as much when we are
> together
> for dinner now. That may well be because we have so much else to catch up
> on
> now though. When we gather at Mother's house, there's always trouble if
> she's moved her dictionaries & we can't find them! LOL - but there's
> always
> the computer to look things up on now. With the computer, she gave away
> the
> 1948 Encyclopdia Britainnica (sp?) that Daddy bought years & years ago
> (used,
> but slightly back then). He used to read that in the evenings - just sit
> down & read the Encyclopedia for a while. It was disappointing for me
> though
> when i was first hearing aout Iwo Jima and it wasn't in there.....
> (published
> too soon after the war).
>
> When i first left home for college in Ft. Worth, I felt like I'd left an
> entire reference library back home in my family. Hardly a surprise that I
> ultimately married someone with his own treasure trove of trivia in his
> mind.
>
>
> --
> Nann
> remove the Gator cheer to email me
> Change everything. Love & forgive.
>
>

suggestion: first marinade it in apple cider (not apple juice) for about
12+ hours in the frig.

kate

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more comment to come, but I have to look upon the internet how best to cook
that venison steak someone gave us...........

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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:23:12 -0400, Waltzing Matilda wrote
(in message <qoirk.18961$jI5.2083@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com>):

> Methinks we are kindred spirits, Loujean. I love doing research, too.
> I'm
> not as successful as I might be, I suspect, because I am not all that
> computer literate. (Yet.) I'm more or less a "keyboard" person--never
> have
> totally made the intellectual transition from keyboard to the idea of
> "computer." Nevertheless, I keep trying. . . . I may have lost some
> physical ground with the RA, but that mental curiosity that has been so
> active all my life is still there and prodding me to keep learning.
>
> Do you suppose growing up in a college town had something to do with that?
> I definitely do. There's something about being close to an academic
> center
> that spreads throughout the community and affects it and its residents in
> many subtle ways.
>
> I've often felt that living in today's world has so many more benefits for
> the chronically afflicted than, say, 150 years ago, 100 years ago, or even
> 50 years ago. Just look at all we have right at our fingertips when we
> are
> unable to get out and about! Telephones, radio, TV, the internet, books
> delivered right to your door, support groups online--it's absolutely
> amazing
> how much of the world we can access. We can continue to stay engaged in
> the
> world in so many ways.
>
> In Randy Pausch's book, "The Last Lecture," he asserts there are two kinds
> of families: (1) Those who cannot get through dinner without the
> encyclopedia, and (2) those who can. Suppertime, in my family's house,
> when
> I was growing up, often ended up with encyclopedias, textbooks,
> dictionaries, and heaven-only-knows-what-else scattered across the table.
> I
> have a hunch you also came from a #1 kind of family!
>
> Java Jean
>
>
>
>
>> My pleasure. I love doing research. Something new comes up on TV that
>> Mom and I don't know, she'll say, "That's ok, you'll look it up on the
>> internet!" I keep a small pad of paper next to my chair in the living
>> room where we watch TV. Then if something new or unknown comes up, I can
>> note it down. One night I even went to two sheets! I don't remember
>> what
>> we watched, though! The secret on the Internet is knowing *what* to ask
>> and *how* to ask it.
>>
>> --
>
>

Really. We were going to be going to the Pork Festival
in Eaton, Ohio on the weekend of September 20th, but got
invited to a wedding instead. It was a tough choice, but since
I was supposed to be one of the participants, we had to skip
it this year. Too bad, the last of the apple butter, no sugar
added, is almost gone. And my wife's cousin is waiting to
get us back into the late-evening Dominoes game.
I LOVE the Dayton air museum, it is really neat to see the
level of artistry they had with wood.

On Aug 19, 10:52*pm, gloria.wo...@fidotel.com (Gloria Wolfe) wrote:
> Hello Java Jean! *No, I'm not from Michigan; but I am from your rival state: *
> Ohio ;-) *

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:30:40 -0400, Harvey R. Stone wrote
(in message <nWArk.8349$cn7.2778@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com>):

> Myself,,, it has to be cooked a certain way and is usually tuffff but
> makes good chili meat. Hhhhm, I remember the time when about 30 or so
> guys cooked chili in large black iron kettles with iced beer and a guy that
> made marguerites' all night all the good stuff in them. Another guy brought
> french bread already lightly cooked with garlic butter and we ran out of
> that real fast. I think we could of elected sheriffsss, mayors, and gov's
> that night because we had a barrel of beans on the fire to produce enough
> gas for that kind of discussion. :-) Politics,,,, Texas style wayyy out in
> the country.
> Harv

sounds like one heck of a party! In the past, we were given cheap cuts of
venison that had long since past their prime in the freezer and we didn't
care for it at all. This generous fellow though gave us some venison round
steak from last season. I marinated it in red wine, cooked it lightly in
butter, then sauteed some onions, garlic & red wine to top it with. Yum!

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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:57:54 -0400, Waltzing Matilda wrote
(in message <bmBrk.22306$N87.18396@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>):

> You went to college in FORT WORTH? Yowza! That's purt-near in my backyard.
> (Love to hear the locals say "purt-near," as in "almost"!!)

ah, that's a fairly common expression throughout the south - right up there
with "well, bless your heart!"
>
> No small
> part of that enjoyment came from living close to UTEP and following the
> rhythm of the school year as evidenced by the amount of cars parked along
> our street.

Ah, i know that sense, though we lived far enough from campus that
neighborhood parking wasn't affected. All of my life, iin Gainesville you
know the students are back when certain streets become impossible to drive
down, certain sores become crowded, etc. It hasn't been AS dramatic of late
because UF is so crowded every student is now required to attend at least one
summer session while there. Even now, with the town (and UF) being larger,
everyone knows when the students are back - even the folks who don't care
about football! LOL But it all lends a certain energy to things you don't
get in a non-college community. That's why we're thinking of retireing to
the Boone, NC area. It would get us back to the Appalachian mountains we
both love, but also get us back to a clooege community again.
>
> Well, I'll be dipped! (Another local expression. Did you guess?) How long
> were you in FW?

Just under 3 years at TCU - from fall of 75 through spring of 78. Between
not really knowing what I wanted to do & spending a little too much time
playing around, I decided to drop out for a while and finish up later. LOL
Now that I look back on it, it think it was a real disappointment to me to
start college just as the 60s & early 70s were calming down on college
campuses. After years of living on the fringe of all the protests around UF,
I hit college just as all of that was dying out. I was in the mood to be a
rabble-rouser!

I had a lot of fun and have some fond memories though. One of the friends I
made than still lives in Grand Prairie, though the ohers I still know of are
scattered far & wide.
>
> I am not fond of the Dallas part of the DFW metroplex. (Sorry, Dallasites.)
> FW seems to have a more laid-back aura, and I've enjoyed visiting the
> stockyards, watching the longhorns meander along the streets, etc.

I know what you mean - I felt that way back in the 70s. I well remember at
that time Dallas called Ft. Worth "Cowtown", meaning it as an insult, but FW
didn't mind as they considered it a compliment! And Dallas talked about
trying to be the NYC of the west, thinking it was desireable, while FW
wondered why anyone would want to be NYC! Most amusing tensions!

LOL - I was out there when the show Dallas first aired. Man, oh man, were
folks fired up about it originally! Dallasites of the time were greatly
insulted about that show being named for their town. The local network
affilitate even stopped airing it for the rest of that first year. Then the
show became a huge hit and suddenly the area decided to embrace it.........

> Well, being from Mt. Pleasant, it's no surprise that I would prefer that
> less urban, small-town feel! Which El Paso had, despite its extensive
> geographic sprawl wrapping around the foot of the Franklin Mountains and
> running along the Rio Grande for miles and miles. It covers a lot of miles,
> but still used to have that small-town feel to it.

I think that smaller town feel also has more to do with attitude than with
layout. I have never been a big-city girl, never felt any desire to live in
NYC or LA or even Dallas or Atlanta. But 8 years ago we moved to Boston so
Mike could go to seminary. Boston is alright, or as I kept telling folks,
"I'm not a big city girl, but for a big city, Boston just doesn't feel like
one!" Over time, the noise & closeness of everything would still get to me,
but the general feel is much more small town, because here are so many
communities and neighborhoods that have held on to that local feeling. There
is still that Yankee reticence you find in New England, but that is a NE US
thing, not a big city thing. And we lifelong southerers began to dig some
chinks in it over time & with that determined friendliness of the south.
heehee

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:28:41 -0400, d'huit wrote
(in message <VLidndEmdM0QTyzVnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@comcast.com>):

> suggestion: first marinade it in apple cider (not apple juice) for about
> 12+ hours in the frig.
>

I'll keep that in mind for the next time - if I can find cider at our little
store here in town. Usually they just have apple juice and I generally don't
think ahead more than a day or two on what to thaw out in the freezer. (If I
think farther ahead, something comes up to radically change Mike's schedule!)

This time i marinated the steaks in red wine and they were tasty, helped by
the fact we were given good venison steaks. Mike always has some red wine in
the house, so i always have that opion! It's wonderful to have the internet
to research stuff on quickly in cases like that meal.....

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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:42:40 -0400, Michael B wrote
(in message
<4c52f26c-7e62-4596-8692-64cb3ab5db87@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>):

> Really. We were going to be going to the Pork Festival
> in Eaton, Ohio on the weekend of September 20th, but got
> invited to a wedding instead. It was a tough choice, but since
> I was supposed to be one of the participants, we had to skip
> it this year.

Oh, baby - a Pork Festival! We both really like pork, but the DH works
weekends. Well, from the schedule it doesn't look like they have any good
smoked pork on the line-up and we can get the rest locally.

Too bad, the last of the apple butter, no sugar
> added, is almost gone.
make some of your own - there's no shortage of recipes on the internet and
apple butter is easy to make. I need to make more this fall as we seem to be
down to our las jar. (I did add sugar in that batch, but it takes so little
with all the fructose from the apples.)
And my wife's cousin is waiting to
> get us back into the late-evening Dominoes game.
> I LOVE the Dayton air museum, it is really neat to see the
> level of artistry they had with wood.

hmmmm, never have stopped off in Dayton, but this may be a reasno to do so
next summer when we're driving between northern MI and our planned camping &
hiking vacation in the southern appalachians.

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