Regarding Disabled Parking

This is the response I got from Washington's Dept of Licensing -


"Thank you for your email to Director Liz Luce regarding parking on the
campus of Western Washington University. The Director's office has
asked me to respond to you directly.

In cases where students and/or employees are required to pay for their
parking, whether on private property or state, everyone is required to
pay the monthly parking fee, including persons with disabled parking
privileges.

An example is: I work on the state capital campus and park in a covered
parking garage. All employees who wish to park in the garage must pay a
monthly parking fee, including people with disabled parking privileges.
Persons with disabled parking privileges are granted parking spaces
close to the entrances of the state building and have reserved parking
stalls. However, the monthly parking fee is still required.

If you wish to continue using the disabled parking stalls on campus, you
are required to pay the parking fees."


OK, so when I'm elected President, I will disband all fees for disabled
parking. And I'll make sure that everyone who parks in a disabled space
gets a big piece of chocolate!! Now how many votes do I get? :-))))


Carole

Yes I will vote for you, I will be your campaign manager if you give me more
candy than the others. ;-) LOL

In fact if you get me a cadbury egg, I will give you 100 votes. ;-)

--
Love and Hugs to all
Jo the squirrely one
I am nuts about you.
>
> OK, so when I'm elected President, I will disband all fees for disabled
> parking. And I'll make sure that everyone who parks in a disabled space
> gets a big piece of chocolate!! Now how many votes do I get? :-))))
>
>
> Carole

I will vote for you too, but I MUST have dark chocolate!!
GaryZ

"Squirrely" <sqjo@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:47cf9e72$0$84203$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> Yes I will vote for you, I will be your campaign manager if you give me
> more candy than the others. ;-) LOL
>
> In fact if you get me a cadbury egg, I will give you 100 votes. ;-)
>
> --
> Love and Hugs to all
> Jo the squirrely one
> I am nuts about you.
>>
>> OK, so when I'm elected President, I will disband all fees for disabled
>> parking. And I'll make sure that everyone who parks in a disabled space
>> gets a big piece of chocolate!! Now how many votes do I get? :-))))
>>
>>
>> Carole
>
>

Gary Z wrote:

> I will vote for you too, but I MUST have dark chocolate!!
> GaryZ

Of course, Gary I will have all kinds available )) A good
candidate gives her voters a choice ;-)))

Carole

Squirrely wrote:

> Yes I will vote for you, I will be your campaign manager if you give me more
> candy than the others. ;-) LOL
>
> In fact if you get me a cadbury egg, I will give you 100 votes. ;-)
>

Ooo, I'll get you two Cadbury eggs. BTW, if you want the REAL Cadbury's
order from an English place online. The stuff we get over here is no
where near as good as the chocolate from England ) When I wasn't on
my food plan, I shopped here http://www.englishteastore.com They have
English chocolate and proper English tea :-))

Carole

Of course you could always just ask me. I live so close to Victoria BC and
we have English Sweet Shops. Sometimes Victoria is called more England than
England. They pride themself on that.

kelly

"Carole" <TheNewCarole@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Squirrely wrote:
>
>> Yes I will vote for you, I will be your campaign manager if you give me
>> more candy than the others. ;-) LOL
>>
>> In fact if you get me a cadbury egg, I will give you 100 votes. ;-)
>>
>
> Ooo, I'll get you two Cadbury eggs. BTW, if you want the REAL Cadbury's
> order from an English place online. The stuff we get over here is no where
> near as good as the chocolate from England ) When I wasn't on my food
> plan, I shopped here http://www.englishteastore.com They have English
> chocolate and proper English tea :-))
>
> Carole

"Kelly" <kelly.e1@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:7BYzj.52620$w94.37965@pd7urf2no...
> Of course you could always just ask me. I live so close to Victoria BC
> and we have English Sweet Shops. Sometimes Victoria is called more
> England than England. They pride themself on that.
>
> kelly

Charlie and I just loved our visit to Victoria. No one has told them the
colonies are gone have they?

We even went to a lovely Sunday buffet at a restaurant frequented by locals.
The ladies in pastel dresses with matching hats, the gentlemen in summer
suits.

My poor daughter could hardly bring herself to eat her dinner as she noticed
that she wasn't using her silverware in the same manner as everyone else
there. She was sure they were staring at her.

We came home with tea and chocolate of course.

Jo

Kelly wrote:

> Of course you could always just ask me. I live so close to Victoria BC and
> we have English Sweet Shops. Sometimes Victoria is called more England than
> England. They pride themself on that.
>
> kelly

You know when I came up to Vancouver last November, I was going to go
shopping, but the traffic was so horrible that I just able made it to
the concert on time. One of these days I'm going to come back up that
way I'd like to have afternoon tea in Victoria ))

Carole

"Carole" <TheNewCarole@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:63bfp5F274rpnU1@mid.individual.net...
Kelly wrote:

> Of course you could always just ask me. I live so close to Victoria BC
> and
> we have English Sweet Shops. Sometimes Victoria is called more England
> than
> England. They pride themself on that.
>
> kelly

You know when I came up to Vancouver last November, I was going to go
shopping, but the traffic was so horrible that I just able made it to
the concert on time. One of these days I'm going to come back up that
way I'd like to have afternoon tea in Victoria ))

Carole

at the empress, of course! though butch and i tended to relish the empress'
"death by chocolate" in its club room--'twas heaven.

kate
(who is not mentioning what happens on government street, in victoria,
beginning at precisely 10 pm each night.LOL)

d'huit wrote:

> at the empress, of course! though butch and i tended to relish the empress'
> "death by chocolate" in its club room--'twas heaven.

Hmm, there was a restaurant on Long Island that used to have death by
chocolate. I doubt I could eat it now though. My tastebuds have changed
a lot.

> (who is not mentioning what happens on government street, in victoria,
> beginning at precisely 10 pm each night.LOL)

OK, now you HAVE to tell!!!! :-)

Carole

"Carole" <TheNewCarole@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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d'huit wrote:

> at the empress, of course! though butch and i tended to relish the
> empress'
> "death by chocolate" in its club room--'twas heaven.

Hmm, there was a restaurant on Long Island that used to have death by
chocolate. I doubt I could eat it now though. My tastebuds have changed
a lot.

> (who is not mentioning what happens on government street, in victoria,
> beginning at precisely 10 pm each night.LOL)

OK, now you HAVE to tell!!!! :-)

Carole

champaign and an assortment of decadent chocolate truffles, truffle cakes,
etc. yeah! i hope my tastebuds never change.

ok. something like 15-20 years ago, we reserved a cabin for a couple of
nights on board and took butch's truck on board the cruise ship (must have
been a kind of ferry and cruise ship combination or something like that) the
first time we went up. after spending a great 3-day weekend exploring the
touristy aspects of victoria and its great restaurants, we had time to kill
before having to go back to the ship for the return trip. we knew we wanted
to spend every minute we could exploring victoria and didn't want to be
shipboard too early. so, we spend the last few hours just driving around
town that night.

not caring about where we were going, we somehow wound up driving up
government street. it was just past 10 pm. i tended to be visually
observant/aware of the unusual and still tend to be very naive at times.
after driving 6 or 7 blocks up that street, i turned to butch and asked him
if he had noticed how most canadian women kind of dressed the same at night.
i kind of giggled as i told him it almost looked like they were all wearing
a uniform. i'd noticed a lot of women, whom i presumed were waiting to
cross at various intersections on that street; and they were all wearing
white or off-white blouses, black or dark mini-skirts, carrying small
shoulder bags/purses hung on long spaghetti-straps and had on stiletto
heels.

butch looked at me with a quirky smile on his face, a familiar smile that to
me meant he got my joke. i knew then that he thought i was joking. my
facial expression must have told him i wasn't. he then patiently told me
that they were prostitutes. i was floored and reeeally craned my neck to
see them after that. (for me, it was an adventure and i have this thing
about studying the character in faces. they weren't all hard faces either,
nor were they all young.) i'd never seen a real prostitute before. though
i knew we had some up by our airport on 99, i'd never noticed them--ours
didn't wear uniforms.ô¿ô

a few days later, when butch got home from work, he told me that the guys at
work told him it was only legal for these women to be on government street,
in victoria, and only beginning at 10 pm.

kate

> a few days later, when butch got home from work, he told me that the guys at
> work told him it was only legal for these women to be on government street,
> in victoria, and only beginning at 10 pm.

In NYC, you can tell who the prostitutes are. They are on 42nd Street
and 9-10th Avenues. They are dressed only in bras and panties with
stockings and garters. How they walk around like that is beyond me!

Carole

"Carole" <TheNewCarole@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:63e2laF26jq2vU1@mid.individual.net...
> a few days later, when butch got home from work, he told me that the guys
> at
> work told him it was only legal for these women to be on government
> street,
> in victoria, and only beginning at 10 pm.

In NYC, you can tell who the prostitutes are. They are on 42nd Street
and 9-10th Avenues. They are dressed only in bras and panties with
stockings and garters. How they walk around like that is beyond me!

Carole

that's beyond me, too! geesh. don't they get cold?!

kate
(hmmm . . . wondering . . . does that mean that victoria/canada has classier
ladies of the night than the u.s.?)

"d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote in message
news:lNidnbyFfJnlREzanZ2dnUVZ_oimnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> "Carole" <TheNewCarole@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:63e2laF26jq2vU1@mid.individual.net...
>> a few days later, when butch got home from work, he told me that the guys
>> at
>> work told him it was only legal for these women to be on government
>> street,
>> in victoria, and only beginning at 10 pm.
>
> In NYC, you can tell who the prostitutes are. They are on 42nd Street
> and 9-10th Avenues. They are dressed only in bras and panties with
> stockings and garters. How they walk around like that is beyond me!
>
> Carole
>
> that's beyond me, too! geesh. don't they get cold?!
>
> kate
> (hmmm . . . wondering . . . does that mean that victoria/canada has
> classier
> ladies of the night than the u.s.?)
>
>
No, only that the pros in NYC have to go further to distinguish themselves
from the way the rest of the population dresses.

Jo

"jofirey" <jofirey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Carole" <TheNewCarole@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:63e2laF26jq2vU1@mid.individual.net...
>> a few days later, when butch got home from work, he told me that the guys
>> at
>> work told him it was only legal for these women to be on government
>> street,
>> in victoria, and only beginning at 10 pm.
>
> In NYC, you can tell who the prostitutes are. They are on 42nd Street
> and 9-10th Avenues. They are dressed only in bras and panties with
> stockings and garters. How they walk around like that is beyond me!
>
> Carole
>
> that's beyond me, too! geesh. don't they get cold?!
>
> kate
> (hmmm . . . wondering . . . does that mean that victoria/canada has
> classier
> ladies of the night than the u.s.?)
>
>
No, only that the pros in NYC have to go further to distinguish themselves
from the way the rest of the population dresses.

Jo

it's now THAT bad? h0ly c0w! what has my hometown come to?! (i can
remember everybody getting dressed up to the nines just to go shopping
downtown.--now, i feel oooold.) makes me wonder if i should be glad i
moved away or sad that i didn't stay to straighten their acts up!;-)
kate

"d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote in message
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>
> "jofirey" <jofirey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:63e5qbF27aqn4U2@mid.individual.net...
>
> "d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote in message
> news:lNidnbyFfJnlREzanZ2dnUVZ_oimnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>> "Carole" <TheNewCarole@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:63e2laF26jq2vU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> a few days later, when butch got home from work, he told me that the
>>> guys
>>> at
>>> work told him it was only legal for these women to be on government
>>> street,
>>> in victoria, and only beginning at 10 pm.
>>
>> In NYC, you can tell who the prostitutes are. They are on 42nd Street
>> and 9-10th Avenues. They are dressed only in bras and panties with
>> stockings and garters. How they walk around like that is beyond me!
>>
>> Carole
>>
>> that's beyond me, too! geesh. don't they get cold?!
>>
>> kate
>> (hmmm . . . wondering . . . does that mean that victoria/canada has
>> classier
>> ladies of the night than the u.s.?)
>>
>>
> No, only that the pros in NYC have to go further to distinguish themselves
> from the way the rest of the population dresses.
>
> Jo
>
> it's now THAT bad? h0ly c0w! what has my hometown come to?! (i can
> remember everybody getting dressed up to the nines just to go shopping
> downtown.--now, i feel oooold.) makes me wonder if i should be glad i
> moved away or sad that i didn't stay to straighten their acts up!;-)
> kate


I know you are younger than I am. But remember nylon stockings and hats and
gloves? Patent leather shoes in the spring with pastel suits.

Trouble is I also remember dressing like that to go to church and getting
home with huge perspiration stains and heat rash. Or even heat stroke. And
blisters on my feet from the shoes. Church didn't have Air Conditioning.

Jo

Kate, that would be no problem now. I've seen teenagers at our church (at
night) wearing SHORT cutoff jeans and other things that a few years ago
would not have been tolerated in the churches I went to!
Gwen


"d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote in message
news:n5OdndcCYenfmk_anZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> kate
>>> (hmmm . . . wondering . . . does that mean that victoria/canada has
>>> classier
>>> ladies of the night than the u.s.?)
>>>
>>>
>> No, only that the pros in NYC have to go further to distinguish
>> themselves
>> from the way the rest of the population dresses.
>>
>> Jo
>>
>> it's now THAT bad? h0ly c0w! what has my hometown come to?! (i can
>> remember everybody getting dressed up to the nines just to go shopping
>> downtown.--now, i feel oooold.) makes me wonder if i should be glad i
>> moved away or sad that i didn't stay to straighten their acts up!;-)
>> kate
>
>
> I know you are younger than I am. But remember nylon stockings and hats
> and
> gloves? Patent leather shoes in the spring with pastel suits.
>
> Trouble is I also remember dressing like that to go to church and getting
> home with huge perspiration stains and heat rash. Or even heat stroke.
> And
> blisters on my feet from the shoes. Church didn't have Air Conditioning.
>
> Jo
>
> remember them? i wore them. of course, the nylons didn't happen until
> high
> school, though.
>
> but, i kinda rebelled a little at the idea of getting dressed up for god,
> as
> if god didn't know i didn't look that way most of the time. i felt phony.
> and i took "just as i am" literally. that was in the '60s, so i was the
> first 18 to 20 year old (can't remember exactly how old i was) to attend
> our
> church while wearing jeans. just once. so much fuss was made about it
> that
> i never went back. until then, it never occurred to me that everybody was
> dressing up for everybody else in the church and not for god. i just
> thought other people liked being in those kinds of clothes.LOL but i
> didn't.
>
> kate
>
>
>

>> kate
>> (hmmm . . . wondering . . . does that mean that victoria/canada has
>> classier
>> ladies of the night than the u.s.?)
>>
>>
> No, only that the pros in NYC have to go further to distinguish themselves
> from the way the rest of the population dresses.
>
> Jo
>
> it's now THAT bad? h0ly c0w! what has my hometown come to?! (i can
> remember everybody getting dressed up to the nines just to go shopping
> downtown.--now, i feel oooold.) makes me wonder if i should be glad i
> moved away or sad that i didn't stay to straighten their acts up!;-)
> kate


I know you are younger than I am. But remember nylon stockings and hats and
gloves? Patent leather shoes in the spring with pastel suits.

Trouble is I also remember dressing like that to go to church and getting
home with huge perspiration stains and heat rash. Or even heat stroke. And
blisters on my feet from the shoes. Church didn't have Air Conditioning.

Jo

remember them? i wore them. of course, the nylons didn't happen until high
school, though.

but, i kinda rebelled a little at the idea of getting dressed up for god, as
if god didn't know i didn't look that way most of the time. i felt phony.
and i took "just as i am" literally. that was in the '60s, so i was the
first 18 to 20 year old (can't remember exactly how old i was) to attend our
church while wearing jeans. just once. so much fuss was made about it that
i never went back. until then, it never occurred to me that everybody was
dressing up for everybody else in the church and not for god. i just
thought other people liked being in those kinds of clothes.LOL but i
didn't.

kate

"d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote in message
news:n5OdndcCYenfmk_anZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> kate
>>> (hmmm . . . wondering . . . does that mean that victoria/canada has
>>> classier
>>> ladies of the night than the u.s.?)
>>>
>>>
>> No, only that the pros in NYC have to go further to distinguish
>> themselves
>> from the way the rest of the population dresses.
>>
>> Jo
>>
>> it's now THAT bad? h0ly c0w! what has my hometown come to?! (i can
>> remember everybody getting dressed up to the nines just to go shopping
>> downtown.--now, i feel oooold.) makes me wonder if i should be glad i
>> moved away or sad that i didn't stay to straighten their acts up!;-)
>> kate
>
>
> I know you are younger than I am. But remember nylon stockings and hats
> and
> gloves? Patent leather shoes in the spring with pastel suits.
>
> Trouble is I also remember dressing like that to go to church and getting
> home with huge perspiration stains and heat rash. Or even heat stroke.
> And
> blisters on my feet from the shoes. Church didn't have Air Conditioning.
>
> Jo
>
> remember them? i wore them. of course, the nylons didn't happen until
> high
> school, though.
>
> but, i kinda rebelled a little at the idea of getting dressed up for god,
> as
> if god didn't know i didn't look that way most of the time. i felt phony.
> and i took "just as i am" literally. that was in the '60s, so i was the
> first 18 to 20 year old (can't remember exactly how old i was) to attend
> our
> church while wearing jeans. just once. so much fuss was made about it
> that
> i never went back. until then, it never occurred to me that everybody was
> dressing up for everybody else in the church and not for god. i just
> thought other people liked being in those kinds of clothes.LOL but i
> didn't.
>
> kate
>

A lot just depends on how you look at things. Maybe because my mother and
father both grew up dirt poor and only had 'good' clothes for special
occasions. But I was taught that wearing your best and looking your best
for church was a matter of respect. That what you had was good enough, but
it should be the best you had, you shoes should be cleaned and brushed, etc.

But I'd have had trouble sitting down in church if I'd ever acted like
someone else's best wasn't good enough.

Before I start sounding too holy and all though, getting us all ready and
out of the house and in the car on time to head out for church was something
less than a religious experience in my house, and I suspect in many others.

If today's more casual attire cuts down on some of those mornings it has to
be a good thing.

Jo

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:39:40 -0500, Carole wrote
(in message <63aoirF25k3arU2@mid.individual.net>):

> Gary Z wrote:
>
>> I will vote for you too, but I MUST have dark chocolate!!
>> GaryZ
>
> Of course, Gary I will have all kinds available )) A good
> candidate gives her voters a choice ;-)))
>
> Carole

good, good, good. I'll take that incredibly rich, luscious, creamy dark
chocolate that is totally fat and calorie free, though you'd never believe
it!
(i'm hitting my last dose pack right now and need all the non-caloric help I
can get!) (on the bright side, typing has actually been tolerable today!)

--
Nann
remove the Gator cheer to email me
Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:39:40 -0500, Carole wrote
(in message <63aoirF25k3arU2@mid.individual.net>):

> Gary Z wrote:
>
>> I will vote for you too, but I MUST have dark chocolate!!
>> GaryZ
>
> Of course, Gary I will have all kinds available )) A good
> candidate gives her voters a choice ;-)))
>
> Carole

good, good, good. I'll take that incredibly rich, luscious, creamy dark
chocolate that is totally fat and calorie free, though you'd never believe
it!
(i'm hitting my last dose pack right now and need all the non-caloric help I
can get!) (on the bright side, typing has actually been tolerable today!)

--
Nann
remove the Gator cheer to email me
Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare

LOL - My mom came up for Mike's first ordination. (Somehow family was more
interested in coming for the June one than for the December on, even though
the latter was the final step!) She asked ahead of time what to wear. I of
course, was going to be dressy in celebration, though i changed into my Birks
from my dress shoes for the cookout/reception afterwards. At the time I
thought there might not be anyone there in jeans as it was a fairly big
event. i was wrong - we had some in jeans. I should have known - this is
too much of a farming area. The great thing though is that no one really
cared one way or the other.

--
Nann
remove the Gator cheer to email me
Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare


On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:25:35 -0500, d'huit wrote
(in message <n5OdndcCYenfmk_anZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com>):

>>> kate
>>> (hmmm . . . wondering . . . does that mean that victoria/canada has
>>> classier
>>> ladies of the night than the u.s.?)
>>>
>>>
>> No, only that the pros in NYC have to go further to distinguish themselves
>> from the way the rest of the population dresses.
>>
>> Jo
>>
>> it's now THAT bad? h0ly c0w! what has my hometown come to?! (i can
>> remember everybody getting dressed up to the nines just to go shopping
>> downtown.--now, i feel oooold.) makes me wonder if i should be glad i
>> moved away or sad that i didn't stay to straighten their acts up!;-)
>> kate
>
>
> I know you are younger than I am. But remember nylon stockings and hats and
> gloves? Patent leather shoes in the spring with pastel suits.
>
> Trouble is I also remember dressing like that to go to church and getting
> home with huge perspiration stains and heat rash. Or even heat stroke. And
> blisters on my feet from the shoes. Church didn't have Air Conditioning.
>
> Jo
>
> remember them? i wore them. of course, the nylons didn't happen until high
> school, though.
>
> but, i kinda rebelled a little at the idea of getting dressed up for god, as
> if god didn't know i didn't look that way most of the time. i felt phony.
> and i took "just as i am" literally. that was in the '60s, so i was the
> first 18 to 20 year old (can't remember exactly how old i was) to attend our
> church while wearing jeans. just once. so much fuss was made about it that
> i never went back. until then, it never occurred to me that everybody was
> dressing up for everybody else in the church and not for god. i just
> thought other people liked being in those kinds of clothes.LOL but i
> didn't.
>
> kate
>
>
>

jofirey wrote:

> I know you are younger than I am. But remember nylon stockings and hats and
> gloves? Patent leather shoes in the spring with pastel suits.

I had patent leather shoes too I remember that my friend who was
Catholic was not allowed to wear patent leather because "Sister said the
boys could see up your skirt in the reflection." So Catholic girls were
not permitted to wear patent leather. I was Episcopalian at the time so
I guess it was OK for the boys to look up our skirts, LOL ))))


> Trouble is I also remember dressing like that to go to church and getting
> home with huge perspiration stains and heat rash. Or even heat stroke. And
> blisters on my feet from the shoes. Church didn't have Air Conditioning.

Yea, remember those days? I remember going to my Mom's friend's wedding
and it was SO hot in that church it's a wonder everyone didn't pass out!

Carole

Nann Bell wrote:

> good, good, good. I'll take that incredibly rich, luscious, creamy dark
> chocolate that is totally fat and calorie free, though you'd never believe
> it!
> (i'm hitting my last dose pack right now and need all the non-caloric help I
> can get!) (on the bright side, typing has actually been tolerable today!)

All of my chocolate is fat free, calorie free, and rich and delicious
Now, wouldn't I make a good politician??? :-))))

Carole

Trust me that is a myth. The time does not start at 10 pm and although
prostitution is not illegal - it is illegal to practice it. Go figure
A quote on prostitution in Canada

"Despite the fact that prostitution is not illegal in Canada, activities
closely related to the profession are penalized (i.e. procuring, keeping a
bawdy-house, communicating). This results in the infamous "Catch 22"
situation, where prostitutes face a good news-bad news scenario:
prostitution is legal, but it is illegal to practice it.

The government's and the legal system's inability to clearly define where
prostitution can take place facilitates the further victimization of women
by forcing them to practice their chosen profession on the street under less
than optimal conditions. Moreover society as a whole is partly responsible
for young women choosing prostitution as a career. Also, the incompetence of
the law forces the police to be in a position were they have to make the
laws. :

Yes we have prostitutes that are rather noticable in Victoria at night - but
then that is when the tourists and the locals are out downtown. In a lot of
cases these women are trying to make a living for drugs, for families (easy
money in a way for a single mom for example in a capital city where living
expenses are very high). Unfortunately we have a fairly high percentage of
people in Victoria who are homeless, have mental illness problems, major
substance abuse problems - not just prostitution. This is due to the high
amount of social service facilities downtown, a fairly good climate - very
little snow, very little cold compared to the northern areas or the prairies
or Eastern Canada. Lots of convention trade, tourists etc as well - go
where your market is unfortunately and there is a market.

Some sad people - some ordinary people. No easy solutions unfortunately.

Of course most will visit Victoria and never see the seedy side of it. And
if you ever come to Victoria I can pick you up at the Anacortes Ferry and
take you to buchart Gardens - a better tea in my opinion for a lessor price
now than the Empress - it is now overpriced in my opinion which is sad as it
used to be my favorite. the other tea I love is in Oak Bay at the Blethering
Place - an old English tea room. Oak Bay is a place unto itself on the
outskirts of Victoria.

Kelly

"Carole" <TheNewCarole@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:63e2laF26jq2vU1@mid.individual.net...
>> a few days later, when butch got home from work, he told me that the guys
>> at work told him it was only legal for these women to be on government
>> street, in victoria, and only beginning at 10 pm.
>
> In NYC, you can tell who the prostitutes are. They are on 42nd Street and
> 9-10th Avenues. They are dressed only in bras and panties with stockings
> and garters. How they walk around like that is beyond me!
>
> Carole

<sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net> wrote in message
news:52d93$47d205a8$45491df5$12945@KNOLOGY.NET...
Kate, that would be no problem now. I've seen teenagers at our church (at
night) wearing SHORT cutoff jeans and other things that a few years ago
would not have been tolerated in the churches I went to!
Gwen

<smiling> i think i was born too soon.;-)

kate


"d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote in message
news:n5OdndcCYenfmk_anZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> kate
>>> (hmmm . . . wondering . . . does that mean that victoria/canada has
>>> classier
>>> ladies of the night than the u.s.?)
>>>
>>>
>> No, only that the pros in NYC have to go further to distinguish
>> themselves
>> from the way the rest of the population dresses.
>>
>> Jo
>>
>> it's now THAT bad? h0ly c0w! what has my hometown come to?! (i can
>> remember everybody getting dressed up to the nines just to go shopping
>> downtown.--now, i feel oooold.) makes me wonder if i should be glad i
>> moved away or sad that i didn't stay to straighten their acts up!;-)
>> kate
>
>
> I know you are younger than I am. But remember nylon stockings and hats
> and
> gloves? Patent leather shoes in the spring with pastel suits.
>
> Trouble is I also remember dressing like that to go to church and getting
> home with huge perspiration stains and heat rash. Or even heat stroke.
> And
> blisters on my feet from the shoes. Church didn't have Air Conditioning.
>
> Jo
>
> remember them? i wore them. of course, the nylons didn't happen until
> high
> school, though.
>
> but, i kinda rebelled a little at the idea of getting dressed up for god,
> as
> if god didn't know i didn't look that way most of the time. i felt phony.
> and i took "just as i am" literally. that was in the '60s, so i was the
> first 18 to 20 year old (can't remember exactly how old i was) to attend
> our
> church while wearing jeans. just once. so much fuss was made about it
> that
> i never went back. until then, it never occurred to me that everybody was
> dressing up for everybody else in the church and not for god. i just
> thought other people liked being in those kinds of clothes.LOL but i
> didn't.
>
> kate
>
>
>

Kelly wrote:

> Of course most will visit Victoria and never see the seedy side of it. And
> if you ever come to Victoria I can pick you up at the Anacortes Ferry and
> take you to buchart Gardens - a better tea in my opinion for a lessor price
> now than the Empress - it is now overpriced in my opinion which is sad as it
> used to be my favorite. the other tea I love is in Oak Bay at the Blethering
> Place - an old English tea room. Oak Bay is a place unto itself on the
> outskirts of Victoria.

Sounds lovely I'll keep that in mind for the summer ))

Carole

"jofirey" <jofirey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:63ej80F25rr0hU1@mid.individual.net...

"d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote in message
news:n5OdndcCYenfmk_anZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>> kate
>>> (hmmm . . . wondering . . . does that mean that victoria/canada has
>>> classier
>>> ladies of the night than the u.s.?)
>>>
>>>
>> No, only that the pros in NYC have to go further to distinguish
>> themselves
>> from the way the rest of the population dresses.
>>
>> Jo
>>
>> it's now THAT bad? h0ly c0w! what has my hometown come to?! (i can
>> remember everybody getting dressed up to the nines just to go shopping
>> downtown.--now, i feel oooold.) makes me wonder if i should be glad i
>> moved away or sad that i didn't stay to straighten their acts up!;-)
>> kate
>
>
> I know you are younger than I am. But remember nylon stockings and hats
> and
> gloves? Patent leather shoes in the spring with pastel suits.
>
> Trouble is I also remember dressing like that to go to church and getting
> home with huge perspiration stains and heat rash. Or even heat stroke.
> And
> blisters on my feet from the shoes. Church didn't have Air Conditioning.
>
> Jo
>
> remember them? i wore them. of course, the nylons didn't happen until
> high
> school, though.
>
> but, i kinda rebelled a little at the idea of getting dressed up for god,
> as
> if god didn't know i didn't look that way most of the time. i felt phony.
> and i took "just as i am" literally. that was in the '60s, so i was the
> first 18 to 20 year old (can't remember exactly how old i was) to attend
> our
> church while wearing jeans. just once. so much fuss was made about it
> that
> i never went back. until then, it never occurred to me that everybody was
> dressing up for everybody else in the church and not for god. i just
> thought other people liked being in those kinds of clothes.LOL but i
> didn't.
>
> kate
>

A lot just depends on how you look at things. Maybe because my mother and
father both grew up dirt poor and only had 'good' clothes for special
occasions. But I was taught that wearing your best and looking your best
for church was a matter of respect. That what you had was good enough, but
it should be the best you had, you shoes should be cleaned and brushed, etc.

***i'm familiar with that teaching, too. during my childhood, our family
finances went comfortably up and dirt poor down with my father's
itchy-footed wanderlust (we moved coast-to-coast 11 different times by the
time i was 15, not counting the county to county moves before and after
15.). he simply couldn't make up his mind about which coast he wanted to
live on, is all. but, my mom made sure we had good clothes for special
occassions, even if they were hand-me-downs or she had to make them herself
(she and her sister were truly gifted with a sewing machine--which was also
a cultural thing, too. no spanish woman, of hers and her mother's
generations, was considered well-educated unless she could wield a needle in
exquisite ways.).

But I'd have had trouble sitting down in church if I'd ever acted like
someone else's best wasn't good enough.

***ouch!

Before I start sounding too holy and all though, getting us all ready and
out of the house and in the car on time to head out for church was something
less than a religious experience in my house, and I suspect in many others.

***LOL! (have i ever told you how much i enjoy and appreciate your ability
to create lively imagery in the reader's mind by implication?)

If today's more casual attire cuts down on some of those mornings it has to
be a good thing.

***LOL! interestingly valid viewpoint. one i never considered.

kate

Jo

"Nann Bell" <hanbellGOGATORS@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C3F7830101BC7586F0284550@news.east.ear thlink.net...
LOL - My mom came up for Mike's first ordination. (Somehow family was more
interested in coming for the June one than for the December on, even though
the latter was the final step!) She asked ahead of time what to wear. I of
course, was going to be dressy in celebration, though i changed into my
Birks
from my dress shoes for the cookout/reception afterwards. At the time I
thought there might not be anyone there in jeans as it was a fairly big
event. i was wrong - we had some in jeans. I should have known - this is
too much of a farming area. The great thing though is that no one really
cared one way or the other.

i think you are correct about the regional aspect, too. i remember back in
the '60s when i was in college in the denver area. i went shopping at
cinderella mall for a pair of ladies' jeans and couldn't find any, and had
to go with stirrup stretch-pants (which are not a good choice for a hay
ride, btw and men's jeans hadn't occurred to me.).

kate

--
Nann
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Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare


On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:25:35 -0500, d'huit wrote
(in message <n5OdndcCYenfmk_anZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com>):

>>> kate
>>> (hmmm . . . wondering . . . does that mean that victoria/canada has
>>> classier
>>> ladies of the night than the u.s.?)
>>>
>>>
>> No, only that the pros in NYC have to go further to distinguish
>> themselves
>> from the way the rest of the population dresses.
>>
>> Jo
>>
>> it's now THAT bad? h0ly c0w! what has my hometown come to?! (i can
>> remember everybody getting dressed up to the nines just to go shopping
>> downtown.--now, i feel oooold.) makes me wonder if i should be glad i
>> moved away or sad that i didn't stay to straighten their acts up!;-)
>> kate
>
>
> I know you are younger than I am. But remember nylon stockings and hats
> and
> gloves? Patent leather shoes in the spring with pastel suits.
>
> Trouble is I also remember dressing like that to go to church and getting
> home with huge perspiration stains and heat rash. Or even heat stroke.
> And
> blisters on my feet from the shoes. Church didn't have Air Conditioning.
>
> Jo
>
> remember them? i wore them. of course, the nylons didn't happen until
> high
> school, though.
>
> but, i kinda rebelled a little at the idea of getting dressed up for god,
> as
> if god didn't know i didn't look that way most of the time. i felt phony.
> and i took "just as i am" literally. that was in the '60s, so i was the
> first 18 to 20 year old (can't remember exactly how old i was) to attend
> our
> church while wearing jeans. just once. so much fuss was made about it
> that
> i never went back. until then, it never occurred to me that everybody was
> dressing up for everybody else in the church and not for god. i just
> thought other people liked being in those kinds of clothes.LOL but i
> didn't.
>
> kate
>
>
>

I have strong feelings over this. When I first started going to church all
of our family wore our best and that was that (Catholic). Now I look at the
kids and adults going to church and figure - darn it they are there! That
is a committment and that is good. I figure if a family can get up, have
breakfast, get the kids out the door as a group that is pretty special! I
like to think god will turn a blind eye to the clothes.

kelly

"d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote in message
news:E4idnXJcFfcpRE_anZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> "jofirey" <jofirey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:63ej80F25rr0hU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote in message
> news:n5OdndcCYenfmk_anZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> kate
>>>> (hmmm . . . wondering . . . does that mean that victoria/canada has
>>>> classier
>>>> ladies of the night than the u.s.?)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No, only that the pros in NYC have to go further to distinguish
>>> themselves
>>> from the way the rest of the population dresses.
>>>
>>> Jo
>>>
>>> it's now THAT bad? h0ly c0w! what has my hometown come to?! (i can
>>> remember everybody getting dressed up to the nines just to go shopping
>>> downtown.--now, i feel oooold.) makes me wonder if i should be glad i
>>> moved away or sad that i didn't stay to straighten their acts up!;-)
>>> kate
>>
>>
>> I know you are younger than I am. But remember nylon stockings and hats
>> and
>> gloves? Patent leather shoes in the spring with pastel suits.
>>
>> Trouble is I also remember dressing like that to go to church and getting
>> home with huge perspiration stains and heat rash. Or even heat stroke.
>> And
>> blisters on my feet from the shoes. Church didn't have Air Conditioning.
>>
>> Jo
>>
>> remember them? i wore them. of course, the nylons didn't happen until
>> high
>> school, though.
>>
>> but, i kinda rebelled a little at the idea of getting dressed up for god,
>> as
>> if god didn't know i didn't look that way most of the time. i felt
>> phony.
>> and i took "just as i am" literally. that was in the '60s, so i was the
>> first 18 to 20 year old (can't remember exactly how old i was) to attend
>> our
>> church while wearing jeans. just once. so much fuss was made about it
>> that
>> i never went back. until then, it never occurred to me that everybody
>> was
>> dressing up for everybody else in the church and not for god. i just
>> thought other people liked being in those kinds of clothes.LOL but i
>> didn't.
>>
>> kate
>>
>
> A lot just depends on how you look at things. Maybe because my mother and
> father both grew up dirt poor and only had 'good' clothes for special
> occasions. But I was taught that wearing your best and looking your best
> for church was a matter of respect. That what you had was good enough,
> but
> it should be the best you had, you shoes should be cleaned and brushed,
> etc.
>
> ***i'm familiar with that teaching, too. during my childhood, our family
> finances went comfortably up and dirt poor down with my father's
> itchy-footed wanderlust (we moved coast-to-coast 11 different times by the
> time i was 15, not counting the county to county moves before and after
> 15.). he simply couldn't make up his mind about which coast he wanted to
> live on, is all. but, my mom made sure we had good clothes for special
> occassions, even if they were hand-me-downs or she had to make them
> herself
> (she and her sister were truly gifted with a sewing machine--which was
> also
> a cultural thing, too. no spanish woman, of hers and her mother's
> generations, was considered well-educated unless she could wield a needle
> in
> exquisite ways.).
>
> But I'd have had trouble sitting down in church if I'd ever acted like
> someone else's best wasn't good enough.
>
> ***ouch!
>
> Before I start sounding too holy and all though, getting us all ready and
> out of the house and in the car on time to head out for church was
> something
> less than a religious experience in my house, and I suspect in many
> others.
>
> ***LOL! (have i ever told you how much i enjoy and appreciate your
> ability
> to create lively imagery in the reader's mind by implication?)
>
> If today's more casual attire cuts down on some of those mornings it has
> to
> be a good thing.
>
> ***LOL! interestingly valid viewpoint. one i never considered.
>
> kate
>
> Jo
>
>
>