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Old 04-11-2007, 01:03 AM
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Default RF factor / rheumatoid arthritis

Anyone have any ideas as to .. why .. the RF .. factor .. the 'marker'
FOR .. "rheumatoid arthritis" ... would seemingly be affected BY ..
altitude .. ?

http://www.labtestsonline.org/unders...toid/test.html

WHY would the people in the higher than sea level .. just
'coincidentally' be .. having .. the increased rate of what is thought
to be THE marker of a .. genetic predisposition .. ? .. TO ..
rheumatoid arthritis .. AS .. they .. rise .. higher and higher .. ?

Or .. does .. altitude ITSELF .. raise RF .. factor .. ?

<<snip>>
observed that the prevalence of rheumatoid nodules, RF, and erosive
arthritis in Africa increased along an altitude gradient from sea
level (Nigeria) to high-altitude regions (Uganda and Lesotho). They
postulated that it was the absence of tropical infections at high
altitudes that predisposed to more severe disease.
<<snip>>


http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/448141_4


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Old 04-12-2007, 10:18 AM
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"Hb concentration increase with age is not pronounced in indigenous
Tibetans."

The Tibetans have quite a different response to high altitude..
manifesting .. CMS / chronic mountain sickness at a much **lower**
rate.

The chronic mountain sickness does not manifest .. DUE TO .. lack of
increased hemoglobin .. BEFORE .. altitude .. ?

"Haematological examinations in altitude populations show that
indigenous Tibetans have a lower Hb concentration than Han
immigrants."

Sooo .. THEIR vegetarian diet lowers / keeps low .. hemoglobin over
the lifetime .. ? .. disallowing the COMMON problems a meat eater
manifests WHEN taken to altitude .. ? .. increased red blood cell
production .. UPON .. increased red blood cell production / hemoglobin
IN the meat eater .. ?

http://www.cmj.org/Periodical/PaperList.asp?id=LW7077

Hb concentration increase with age is not pronounced in indigenous
Tibetans.

http://tinyurl.com/yq27qm

The diet of rural Tibetans is very monotonous, consisting mostly of
barley and yak milk products.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/inca1/qanda.html

Today there is relatively little wild game meat left and so sheep,
pigs, cows and so forth have taken the place of the wild game, but the
guinea pig is still a very important staple in the diet of a high
country Indians. {Andean]


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Old 04-12-2007, 10:18 AM
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BEWARE!!!



Tom is one of our regular trolls who is also a very sick individual.
He believes that iron overload is the cause of ALL disease processes.

He often posts very obscure articles and long rants filled with
obscenities when challenged.

This individual and his so called "advice" can be extremely dangerous.
So please be very careful in taking anything he says seriously.

His suggestions can bring great harm to an individual, including
possible death. He is well known as a very dangerous pest on hundreds
of ng.

Please always check with your physican before taking any advice from
someone like the likes of Tom/Iron Justice
..
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Old 04-12-2007, 10:37 PM
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>>On Apr 11, 10:13 pm, DKGBee...@webtv.net (Donna G.) wrote:
..<<

Typical personal abuse .. snipped ..

>>Anyone have any ideas as to .. why .. the RF .. factor .. the 'marker'

FOR .. "rheumatoid arthritis" ... would seemingly be affected BY ..
altitude .. ? <<

I guess you .. don't .. have an idea ..

That really comes as no surprise ..

>>http://www.labtestsonline.org/unders...heumatoid/test....



WHY would the people in the higher than sea level .. just
'coincidentally' be .. having .. the increased rate of what is
thought
to be THE marker of a .. genetic predisposition .. ? .. TO ..
rheumatoid arthritis .. AS .. they .. rise .. higher and higher .. ?


Or .. does .. altitude ITSELF .. raise RF .. factor .. ?


<<snip>>
observed that the prevalence of rheumatoid nodules, RF, and erosive
arthritis in Africa increased along an altitude gradient from sea
level (Nigeria) to high-altitude regions (Uganda and Lesotho). They
postulated that it was the absence of tropical infections at high
altitudes that predisposed to more severe disease.
<<snip>>


http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/448141_4


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Old 04-12-2007, 10:37 PM
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numbnutz wrote:


> Typical personal abuse .. snipped ..


You are the ONLY person in these groups committing abuse with your
constant ramblings and lies.



> Man Is A Herbivore!


Born with canine and molar teeth to rip apart, chew, and enjoy M E
A T !!!!!!


.... If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat?



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Old 04-12-2007, 10:37 PM
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>>On Apr 12, 8:27 am, "Fire Chief" <CALIFORNIA_CH...@PEOPLEPC.COM> wrote:

lies<<

Chief .. pull up one of my .. many .. lies ..

Pull one up and show it to me ..

Just one of the .. many .. "lies" .. you seem to like to .. speak
about .. but when .. cornered like the ratbstrd you .. are .. ??

It's called .. being .. a .. pussy .. there .. chief ..

How's that .. feel ..

It must .. hurt ..

Does it .. hurt .. chief ..

Bet it .. does ..

Heh .. heh ..


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Old 04-12-2007, 10:37 PM
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Medical News Summary: More to smoking than just cancer

about: More to smoking than just cancer
Date: 18 August 2005
Source: CBS News
Medical News Summary (summary of medical news story as reported by CBS
News): Tobacco has been commonly linked with cancer and cardiovascular
disease, but there is also increased risk of other diseases such as
lupus erythematosus, Grave's disease, rheumatoid arthritis (RA),
erectile dysfunction, obstructive sleep apnea, gastro-esophageal
reflux disease (GERD), and Alzheimer's disease. Autoimmune conditions,
such as lupus, Grave's disease and RA, occur when the defence cells of
the body recognize and attack itself, resulting in pain and
inflammation.
URL: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in784532.shtml
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://rheumatology.oxfordjournals.o...act/39/11/1202

Smokers have an increased incidence of rheumatoid factor (RF) and
rheumatoid arthritis (RA)

http://lup.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/15/11/737
http://ard.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/56/8/463

C. DEIGHTON
Smoke gets in your joints?
Ann Rheum Dis, August 1, 1997; 56(8): 453 - 454.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://cureresearch.com/a/autoimmune...ia/underly.htm

Misdiagnosis of Underlying Causes of Autoimmune Hemolytic Anemia
About underlying conditions: With a diagnosis of Autoimmune Hemolytic
Anemia, it is important to consider whether there is an underlying
condition causing Autoimmune Hemolytic Anemia. These are other medical
conditions that may possibly cause Autoimmune Hemolytic Anemia. For
general information on this form of misdiagnosis, see Underlying
Condition Misdiagnosis or Overview of Misdiagnosis

Underlying conditions list: The list of possible underlying conditions
mentioned in various sources for Autoimmune Hemolytic Anemia
includes:

Lymphoproliferative disorders
Lymphoma
Chronic lymphocytic leukemia
Systemic lupus erythematosis
Certain autoimmune disorders
Ovarian tumor
Certain chronic inflammatory disorders
Acute Mycoplasma pneumoniae infection
Infectious mononucleosis
Certain infections
Lymphoreticular cancers
Certain viruses
Syphilis
drug-induced hemolytic anemia


Underlying Condition Misdiagnosis
An underlying condition is a second condition that you may have in
addition to the first diagnosed condition, and this underlying
condition is believed to cause the first condition. In this case, the
underlying condition is the true primary condition, since it occurred
first, and the originally diagnosed condition is actually called the
"secondary" condition.

Example: Hemochromatosis underlying diabetes: For example, most people
diagnosed with diabetes have only that disease, but in a small
percentage the diabetes is actually caused by a second underly
condition called hemochromatosis. The hemochromatosis is called the
underlying condition, and the diabetes is actually called secondary
diabetes, because the real primary condition is hemochromatosis and
the diabetes is a secondary complication of the primary disease.

Example: Metabolic syndrome or PCOS underlying obesity: As another
example, people who have the condition of obesity or being overweight
might simply have poor lifestyle habits. On the other hand, they might
have an underlying condition such as metabolic syndrome or polycystic
ovary syndrome (women only).

Misdiagnosis of underlying conditions: Failure to diagnose an
underlying condition is a reasonably common occurrence and represents
a partial misdiagnosis. In some cases, the misdiagnosis is critically
important (hemochromatosis-caused diabetes is curable), and in other
cases it is less so: a full diagnosis of underlying metabolic syndrome
does not necessarily help treat obesity, though it makes it more
important to watch out for other conditions and risk factors for heart
disease.

In a sense, the issue of underlying conditions is really just a
generalization of the disease-symptom pattern. The underlying
condition has the first disease as one of its symptoms or
complications.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vol. 146 No. 7, July 1, 1986
Hypereosinophilic syndrome associated with polycythemia vera
D. Varon, M. Wetzler and A. Berrebi


A 60-year-old woman presented with relapse of polycythemia vera
associated with hypereosinophilic syndrome (HES) with abnormal
immunologic measures, including increased serum IgE and IgG levels,
high levels of circulating immune complexes, rheumatoid factor, and
antinuclear antibodies. Treatment with hydroxyurea was followed by a
dramatic response of both the polycythemia vera and the HES, with
return to normal of the abnormal immunologic measures. This case
report documents that evidence of immunologic and myeloproliferative
causes of HES may coexist in the same patient.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


© 1986 American Medical Association. All Rights Reserved.


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Old 04-13-2007, 07:51 AM
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The proof is in the pudding as they say!

See Tommys rants to Firechief and it just goes to prove my point in a
very strong way.

Please newbies, BEWARE --- don't get sucked into Tommys lies and very
dangerous ramblings.

BEWARE!!!

Tom is one of our regular trolls who is also a very sick individual. He
believes that iron overload is the cause of ALL disease processes.

He often posts very obscure articles and long rants filled with
obscenities when challenged.

This individual and his so called "advice" can be extremely dangerous.
So please be very careful in taking anything he says seriously.

His suggestions can bring great harm to an individual, including
possible death. He is well known as a very dangerous pest on hundreds of
ng.

Please always check with your physican before taking any advice from
someone like the likes of Tom/Iron Justice
..
..



Donna G.
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..
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ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call
them FRIENDS......

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Old 04-13-2007, 07:51 AM
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On Apr 12, 2:32 pm, DKGBee...@webtv.net (Donna G.) wrote:
Tommys lies <<

We are on a support .. list ..

We are on a .. thread .. I .. started ..

You .. come onto my thread .. and tell everyone .. "he is lying" ..

Now .. reasonable .. people .. are able to back up that kind of ..
contribution ..

Name a .. lie ..

Name .. one .. right .. now .. OR .. s..t..F .. up ..

Ya .. dig .. ?


Crawl back under whatever rock sht like you crawls out from ..
under ..


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Old 04-13-2007, 01:03 PM
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Have you noticed how Warped Tom will reply to a reply he has made to one of his
own replies to his own post?

I think that he gets so involved chasing his own tale that runs too fast and
his head gets stuck up his own backside.

He has all of the social sense of a brain damaged camel with an STD.
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Old 04-13-2007, 01:03 PM
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The proof is in the pudding as they say!

See Tommys rants to Firechief and it just goes to prove my point in a
very strong way.

Please newbies, BEWARE --- don't get sucked into Tommys lies and very
dangerous ramblings.

BEWARE!!!

Tom is one of our regular trolls who is also a very sick individual. He
believes that iron overload is the cause of ALL disease processes.

He often posts very obscure articles and long rants filled with
obscenities when challenged.

This individual and his so called "advice" can be extremely dangerous.
So please be very careful in taking anything he says seriously.

His suggestions can bring great harm to an individual, including
possible death. He is well known as a very dangerous pest on hundreds of
ng.

Please always check with your physican before taking any advice from
someone like the likes of Tom/Iron Justice
..



Donna G.
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ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call
them FRIENDS......

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Old 04-13-2007, 01:03 PM
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On Apr 12, 8:17 pm, DKGBee...@webtv.net (Donna G.) wrote:
Tommys lies <<

You can't .. read .. ??

I believe I told you this .. before .. ?

You can't seem to answer a simple question .. can ya .. ya cow ..

Name a .. lie ..


Name .. one .. right .. now .. OR .. s..t..F .. up ..


Ya .. dig .. ?


Crawl back under whatever rock sht like you crawls out from ..
under ..


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Old 04-13-2007, 01:03 PM
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ROFL!!! Thanks, Norman, for the laugh!!!
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Donna G.
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Old 04-13-2007, 01:03 PM
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First of all, little tommy, you don't own any thread---dig?

This is an open public forum where anyone can respond to any thread that
is posted! Sorry you haven't quite grasp the concept of internet yet.

Second of all, do you want me to post about the lies that have gotten
you in trouble with the police before? The lies at the end of every one
of your posts that says man is an herbavore? The lies that have caused
death to others? The lies about you practicing medical advice without
being a doctor? Ooooooh, There are just soooo many to choose from and
so easily found by doing a search on your history mr hennesy!!!

The proof is in the pudding as they say!

See Tommys previous rants, it just goes to prove my point in a very
strong way.

Please newbies, BEWARE --- don't get sucked into Tommys lies and very
dangerous ramblings.

BEWARE!!!

Tom is one of our regular trolls who is also a very sick individual. He
believes that iron overload is the cause of ALL disease processes.

He often posts very obscure articles and long rants filled with
obscenities when challenged.

This individual and his so called "advice" can be extremely dangerous.
So please be very careful in taking anything he says seriously.

His suggestions can bring great harm to an individual, including
possible death. He is well known as a very dangerous pest on hundreds of
ng.

Please always check with your physican before taking any advice from
someone like the likes of Tom/Iron Justice



Donna G.
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ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call
them FRIENDS......

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Old 04-14-2007, 12:26 AM
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On Apr 12, 9:08 pm, Norman <mr.bo...@att.net> wrote:
> Have you noticed how Warped Tom will reply to a reply he has made to one of his
> own replies to his own post?
>
> I think that he gets so involved chasing his own tale that runs too fast and
> his head gets stuck up his own backside.
>
> He has all of the social sense of a brain damaged camel with an STD.


As the nurse told my daddy:

"[he] needs a rectal craniotomy"

"Or at least a bit of plexiglass between pubis and navel so he can see
where he's going while his head is up his butt."

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Old 04-14-2007, 12:26 AM
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> BEWARE!!!


Aw, for Gawds sake! Killfile him and then you won't be bothered...except
for all the posts bemoaning his posts and/or quoteing parts of what he
posts. These are becoming a PITA too.
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Old 04-14-2007, 12:26 AM
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Sorry, Bud, no can do. Can't killfile anyone with webtv.

Besides, I'm just playing with the troll a little, don't get youself
worked into a bundle.
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Donna G.
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Old 04-14-2007, 12:26 AM
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> Sorry, Bud, no can do. Can't killfile anyone with webtv.


I use Thunderbird and can killfile at will. Dunno about OE, Opera et al.

> Besides, I'm just playing with the troll a little, don't get youself
> worked into a bundle.


No problemo except sifting thru the posts for appropriate info re:
arthritis.
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Old 04-14-2007, 08:26 AM
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I find that jumping on Rusty Spamalot helps work off aggression and stress from
other things.

The great thing about it is that no matter what you post, you can't go too far;
anything you post is less extreme than he deserves.
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Old 04-18-2007, 03:21 PM
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>>On Apr 12, 9:25 pm, DKGBee...@webtv.net (Donna G.) wrote: Second of all, do you want me to post about the lies that have gotten
you in trouble with the police before? The lies at the end of every
one
of your posts that says man is an herbavore? The lies that have
caused
death to others? The lies about you practicing medical advice
without
being a doctor? <<

You can't .. read .. ??


I believe I told you this .. before .. ?


You can't seem to answer a simple question .. can ya .. ya cow ..


Name a .. lie ..


Name .. one .. right .. now .. OR .. s..t..F .. up ..


Ya .. dig .. ?


Crawl back under whatever rock sht like you crawls out from ..
under ..


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Old 04-18-2007, 03:21 PM
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<ironjustice@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1176891111.010627.302570@y5g2000hsa.googlegro ups.com...
>>>On Apr 12, 9:25 pm, DKGBee...@webtv.net (Donna G.) wrote: Second of all,
>>>do you want me to post about the lies that have gotten

> you in trouble with the police before? The lies at the end of every
> one
> of your posts that says man is an herbavore? The lies that have
> caused
> death to others? The lies about you practicing medical advice
> without
> being a doctor? <<
>
> You can't .. read .. ??
>
>
> I believe I told you this .. before .. ?
>
>
> You can't seem to answer a simple question .. can ya .. ya cow ..
>
>
> Name a .. lie ..
>
>
> Name .. one .. right .. now .. OR .. s..t..F .. up ..
>
>
> Ya .. dig .. ?
>
>
> Crawl back under whatever rock sht like you crawls out from ..
> under ..
>
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>


OKkkkeee now we have gotten down to usual slime. Anyone that replies any
more is the Cause of more of this type of stuff IN A SUPPORT GROUP DAM IT.
Your fun is off base,, out of place an don't tell anyone gives a dam what
the other thinks about anything.

Harv


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