Cancer drugs harmful to brain cells

Jeffrey P Utz (who was never allowed a non-restricted medical
licensed) claims:

The alternative is death. Which would you chose?

Jeff

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
First of all, your hypothesis is probably inaccurate, as usual.

What do I chose?

That people are given unbiased information upon which to base their
treatment decisions ... not the biased, pharma indutry views spread
about by Healthfrauds and quote Quackbusters unquote.


http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...cle2026798.ece

Cancer drugs harmful to brain cells
By John von Radowitz
Published: 30 November 2006

Common cancer drugs may be more harmful to the brain than the tumour
cells they are meant to destroy.

Laboratory tests have shown that dose levels typically used when
treating patients killed 70-100 per cent of neural cells but just
40-80 per cent of cancer cells. Several types of healthy brain cell
continued to die for at least six weeks after exposure.

The findings, published in the Journal of Biology, may help explain
the little understood cancer therapy side effect of "chemo brain".

Patients can suffer symptoms ranging from memory loss to seizures,
loss of vision and even dementia. Until recently, these problems were
often blamed on a patient's mental state.

However, a growing body of evidence is now leading doctors to accept
the reality of "chemo brain".

A study this year suggested that more than 82 per cent of cancer
patients may suffer some form of mental impairment. While scientists
have suspected that chemotherapy could have an impact on the central
nervous system, it was not clear how this might occur.

Mark Noble, from the University of Rochester Medical Centre in New
York, who led the research, said: "This is the first study that puts
'chemo brain' on a sound scientific footing, in terms of neurobiology
and cellular biology."

The brain is populated with several types of cells that produce or
repair normally functioning neurons. These are classified as dividing
stem cells, dividing intermediate cells, precursors and progenitors,
and non-dividing mature cells. Dr Noble's team exposed healthy brain
cells as well as cancer cells to three chemotherapy drugs, carmustine,
cisplatin and cytosine arabinoside, used to treat a wide range of
diseases, including breast cancer, leukaemia and brain tumours.Tests
showed that the drugs were toxic to all the different cell types even
at very low concentrations.

The research points to several strategies for making cancer treatments
safer, such as applying protective agents and screening to see what
cell populations are most at risk.

Common cancer drugs may be more harmful to the brain than the tumour
cells they are meant to destroy.

Laboratory tests have shown that dose levels typically used when
treating patients killed 70-100 per cent of neural cells but just
40-80 per cent of cancer cells. Several types of healthy brain cell
continued to die for at least six weeks after exposure.

The findings, published in the Journal of Biology, may help explain
the little understood cancer therapy side effect of "chemo brain".

Patients can suffer symptoms ranging from memory loss to seizures,
loss of vision and even dementia. Until recently, these problems were
often blamed on a patient's mental state.

However, a growing body of evidence is now leading doctors to accept
the reality of "chemo brain".

A study this year suggested that more than 82 per cent of cancer
patients may suffer some form of mental impairment. While scientists
have suspected that chemotherapy could have an impact on the central
nervous system, it was not clear how this might occur.

Mark Noble, from the University of Rochester Medical Centre in New
York, who led the research, said: "This is the first study that puts
'chemo brain' on a sound scientific footing, in terms of neurobiology
and cellular biology."

The brain is populated with several types of cells that produce or
repair normally functioning neurons. These are classified as dividing
stem cells, dividing intermediate cells, precursors and progenitors,
and non-dividing mature cells. Dr Noble's team exposed healthy brain
cells as well as cancer cells to three chemotherapy drugs, carmustine,
cisplatin and cytosine arabinoside, used to treat a wide range of
diseases, including breast cancer, leukaemia and brain tumours.Tests
showed that the drugs were toxic to all the different cell types even
at very low concentrations.

The research points to several strategies for making cancer treatments
safer, such as applying protective agents and screening to see what
cell populations are most at risk.


~~~~~~~~~

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...WatchWatch.htm

Jeff...so well worded...I wished I had said that to my friend Karen when I
told her about my breast cancer. She asked me, "What are you going to do?"
and I replied "I am getting chemo" and I only wished I had that response
you had here "The alternative is death. Which would you chose?" I instead
told my friend " I am a wife, mother and friend to some and I will try and
save my life" This friend doesn't believe in mammograms and I haven't heard
or seen see since this was said...her last ditch was "Oh, you know what I'd
do" and this was back in April...she will not call or stop by and she lives
4 doors up the street from me
Please tell me if others have lost friends when they got cancer. I can't
understand it.
Pami

--

BetsyB

"pami" <pdefraia@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Jeff...so well worded...I wished I had said that to my friend Karen when I
> told her about my breast cancer. She asked me, "What are you going to
> do?" and I replied "I am getting chemo" and I only wished I had that
> response you had here "The alternative is death. Which would you chose?"
> I instead told my friend " I am a wife, mother and friend to some and I
> will try and save my life" This friend doesn't believe in mammograms and
> I haven't heard or seen see since this was said...her last ditch was "Oh,
> you know what I'd do" and this was back in April...she will not call or
> stop by and she lives 4 doors up the street from me
> Please tell me if others have lost friends when they got cancer. I can't
> understand it.
> Pami
>

I sure have. They all seem to thing it's contageous.

pami wrote:
>
> Please tell me if others have lost friends when they got cancer. I can't
> understand it.
> Pami
>

It's common. I believe it is usually because they don't know what to say
or how they can help, so they are embarrassed. They mostly haven't come
face to face with a life threatening disease before, and haven't thought
through how to handle it, so can't easily empathise.

It might make it easier for them to stick around if you ask them for
help with something (maybe a lift to the clinic, or even if it is
something small and non-essential). After all this is a time for
calling in favours. You need to involve them and give them a lead so
that they can relate to your attitude and feel confident they won't put
their foot in it, or be seen as part of the problem.


Tim Jackson

pami wrote:
> Jeff...so well worded...I wished I had said that to my friend Karen when I
> told her about my breast cancer. She asked me, "What are you going to do?"
> and I replied "I am getting chemo" and I only wished I had that response
> you had here "The alternative is death. Which would you chose?" I instead
> told my friend " I am a wife, mother and friend to some and I will try and
> save my life" This friend doesn't believe in mammograms and I haven't heard
> or seen see since this was said...her last ditch was "Oh, you know what I'd
> do" and this was back in April...she will not call or stop by and she lives
> 4 doors up the street from me
> Please tell me if others have lost friends when they got cancer. I can't
> understand it.
> Pami

I have seen it from the other perspective...friends who stop dropping by
because they do not know how to deal with another persons medical problem.

One of my HS classmates who lives in the SF Bay area is terminally ill.
Fortunately, there are others in our class who also live there, and they
are annoying the heck out of him by offers of help, stopping off to say
hello, etc.

You say that she will not call or stop by...what are you doing to fix
that? I assume you still have a functional dialing finger and two
working feet.

I have called and she won't pick up the phone...I have wrote and even sent a
card. If I went to her door she wouldn't answer so I guess I have to do the
old thing if you love something set it free. My dialing finger and feet
work fine. Thanks for the push but I have tried... I was also very weak from
chemo....so yes I have tried but refuse to beg.

Your friend is very luck to have caring friends..continue to support him.
Pami


You say that she will not call or stop by...what are you doing to fix
that? I assume you still have a functional dialing finger and two
working feet.

"pami" <pdefraia@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Jeff...so well worded...I wished I had said that to my friend Karen when I
> told her about my breast cancer. She asked me, "What are you going to
> do?" and I replied "I am getting chemo" and I only wished I had that
> response you had here "The alternative is death. Which would you chose?"
> I instead told my friend " I am a wife, mother and friend to some and I
> will try and save my life"

It's very rare, certainly when considering breast cancer, that chemo means
the choice is an option between life and death.........
Especially with early stage bc, you have to treat an awful lot of women to
benefit a very few. I'm not saying the decision to take chemo is wrong in
these circumstances, but the reason to choose the option is not because
means life or death.............

I just never wanted to burden them but I see your point.

Check out this news story
http://cancernewsnetwork.blogspot.co...nosis-and.html

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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> pami wrote:
>> Jeff...so well worded...I wished I had said that to my friend Karen when
>> I told her about my breast cancer. She asked me, "What are you going to
>> do?" and I replied "I am getting chemo" and I only wished I had that
>> response you had here "The alternative is death. Which would you chose?"
>> I instead told my friend " I am a wife, mother and friend to some and I
>> will try and save my life" This friend doesn't believe in mammograms and
>> I haven't heard or seen see since this was said...her last ditch was "Oh,
>> you know what I'd do" and this was back in April...she will not call or
>> stop by and she lives 4 doors up the street from me
>> Please tell me if others have lost friends when they got cancer. I can't
>> understand it.
>> Pami
>
> I have seen it from the other perspective...friends who stop dropping by
> because they do not know how to deal with another persons medical problem.
>
> One of my HS classmates who lives in the SF Bay area is terminally ill.
> Fortunately, there are others in our class who also live there, and they
> are annoying the heck out of him by offers of help, stopping off to say
> hello, etc.
>
> You say that she will not call or stop by...what are you doing to fix
> that? I assume you still have a functional dialing finger and two working
> feet.
>
>
*Anecdotes are bullshit and prove nothing.* Mark Probert.

"Ilena Rose" <BIA@mundo.com> wrote in message
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> Jeffrey P Utz (who was never allowed a non-restricted medical
> licensed) claims:
>
> The alternative is death. Which would you chose?
>
> Jeff
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> First of all, your hypothesis is probably inaccurate, as usual.

Nice personal attack.

> What do I chose?
>
> That people are given unbiased information upon which to base their
> treatment decisions ... not the biased, pharma indutry views spread
> about by Healthfrauds and quote Quackbusters unquote.

Actually, the information that they will get will be from their physicians.
THey can also go and get unbiased information on the internet and read the
original research articles on which the information is based.

Most intelligent people will use quotation marks (") instead of saying quote
and unquote.

Jeff

<...>

"pami" <pdefraia@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Fkmdh.37759$dN4.2514@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
> Jeff...so well worded...I wished I had said that to my friend Karen when I
> told her about my breast cancer. She asked me, "What are you going to
> do?" and I replied "I am getting chemo" and I only wished I had that
> response you had here "The alternative is death. Which would you chose?"
> I instead told my friend " I am a wife, mother and friend to some and I
> will try and save my life" This friend doesn't believe in mammograms and
> I haven't heard or seen see since this was said...her last ditch was "Oh,
> you know what I'd do" and this was back in April...she will not call or
> stop by and she lives 4 doors up the street from me
> Please tell me if others have lost friends when they got cancer. I can't
> understand it.
> Pami

Pami, I didn't just lose some (not all) friends, I lost a daughter. My
mother wasn't very helpful either.

On the other hand, a son who had been lost to us was regained.

We have to tell ourselves that many people can't handle the news and simply
don't know what to say or do. Understanding is a different matter.

One friend told me, when I imparted the news, that it was a great way to
lose weight!

If we had all the support we needed from friends and relations we wouldn't
need this group :-)

Mary

>
>
>

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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....
>
> You say that she will not call or stop by...what are you doing to fix
> that? I assume you still have a functional dialing finger and two working
> feet.

That can be very difficult, especially when you're down. It's like
soliciting for sympathy.

During my husband's recent prostate cancer treatment I've only contacted
those who had asked to be kept informed. I know there are arguments for and
against but when you're low you simply don't want to make the effort to
think ab out things like that - and why should you? You have enough on your
plate.

Mary
>
>

"pami" <pdefraia@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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>I have called and she won't pick up the phone...I have wrote and even sent
>a card.

That's what happened with my daughter, it took years to get over.

> ... I have tried... I was also very weak from chemo....so yes I have tried
> but refuse to beg.

I think you're right - for you. Others choose their own paths. Try not to
despair, use your strength for recovering.

Mary

"Steph" <steph@vancouvers.island> wrote in message
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>
> "pami" <pdefraia@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:Fkmdh.37759$dN4.2514@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
>> Jeff...so well worded...I wished I had said that to my friend Karen when
>> I told her about my breast cancer. She asked me, "What are you going to
>> do?" and I replied "I am getting chemo" and I only wished I had that
>> response you had here "The alternative is death. Which would you chose?"
>> I instead told my friend " I am a wife, mother and friend to some and I
>> will try and save my life"
>
> It's very rare, certainly when considering breast cancer, that chemo means
> the choice is an option between life and death.........
> Especially with early stage bc, you have to treat an awful lot of women to
> benefit a very few. I'm not saying the decision to take chemo is wrong in
> these circumstances, but the reason to choose the option is not because
> means life or death.............

Not doing anything more than likely means death. This reply is not helpful
for someone who's unhappy.

Mary
>
>

On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:00:12 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
<mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

>During my husband's recent prostate cancer treatment I've only contacted
>those who had asked to be kept informed. I know there are arguments for and
>against but when you're low you simply don't want to make the effort to
>think ab out things like that - and why should you? You have enough on your
>plate.

Post-op, I asked all my friends to continue to write to me and e-mail
me. I explained that I felt so ghastly that I couldn't guarantee to
return answers. Everybody understood, and their support and sympathy
was wonderfully morale boosting. Every so often, when I felt a bit
better, I'd do a round robin e-mail, or send a letter to a classmate on
my creative writing course to pass round to everyone else in the class.

"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "pami" <pdefraia@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:Fkmdh.37759$dN4.2514@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
>> Jeff...so well worded...I wished I had said that to my friend Karen when
>> I told her about my breast cancer. She asked me, "What are you going to
>> do?" and I replied "I am getting chemo" and I only wished I had that
>> response you had here "The alternative is death. Which would you chose?"
>> I instead told my friend " I am a wife, mother and friend to some and I
>> will try and save my life" This friend doesn't believe in mammograms and
>> I haven't heard or seen see since this was said...her last ditch was "Oh,
>> you know what I'd do" and this was back in April...she will not call or
>> stop by and she lives 4 doors up the street from me
>> Please tell me if others have lost friends when they got cancer. I can't
>> understand it.
>> Pami
>
> Pami, I didn't just lose some (not all) friends, I lost a daughter. My
> mother wasn't very helpful either.
>
> On the other hand, a son who had been lost to us was regained.
>
> We have to tell ourselves that many people can't handle the news and
> simply don't know what to say or do. Understanding is a different matter.
>
> One friend told me, when I imparted the news, that it was a great way to
> lose weight!
>
> If we had all the support we needed from friends and relations we wouldn't
> need this group :-)

I am sorry that you have lost your daugter.

As much as I know that modern medical treatments for cancer are miraclulus,
I do respect the decision that some people make not to use them. I would
still support their decision, although I would explain my evidence-based
belief to them. Just like I support my friends who practice [put in name of
religion], even though I practive another religion.

Jeff
> Mary
>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

You speak from experience? Have you've ever had cancer or are you here just
to fight? Cancer people NEED their friends. There's no argument to that.
The ending argument is she never was the friend I thought she was.
Pami

Mary,
Thank you......very well said. People know people going through chemo as
much as I wore the cutest chemo caps. Now I have graduated to a pink
baseball cap. Tuesday I get my reconstruction. I think in due time this
friend will come around but I can't say our friendship will be the same but
a HUG goes a long way.
Pami

Steph,
I went from no cancer to stage two in 8 months with a grade 3 tumor. When
they performed the lumpectomy they didn't get it all it read NO CLEAR
MARGINS and I ended up losing the breast I did the chemo 6 out of 8 and I
didn't have the strength to finish. The Taxotere was wicked stuff. The
first 4 being CAV. At this point if it comes back....last blood test was a
31 and no evidence of disease at this time....I really don't know if I would
do chemo again if the cancer comes back, I personally feel this cancer was
there the year before and mammo didn't pick it up.
Pami

I am okay with it Mary. I basically did the chemo to get some more time as
Pami isn't a granny yet. I made that my goal. When I struggled after the
3rd treatment and wanted to give up...seeing my grown son cry made me push
as long as I could. I am happy with the last blood test. I tried to take
Femara it didn't work well for me. Now for new hair, eyelashes, brows and
reconstruction. My hair is coming in grayish silver!! I would like to
know how long this will take to get hair down to my shoulders or past the
shoulder all one length? My hair is now 3/4" and can't grow fast enough!
Pami

Mary,
I hope your daughter comes back to you. My mom's in a nursing home but
alert. A mother and daughter should be close at a time like this. You
mentioned your son..... my son has been wonderful. If anything it made us
closer. His friends also became more appreciative of me bringing me little
gifts. My husband has been great but I see fear in him.
Pami

I do respect the decision that some people make not to use them. I would
still support their decision, although I would explain my evidence-based
belief to them.

Jeff,
Telling my doctor I couldn't do the last two chemos was hard. He walked out
and came back in the office and I stood my ground. I know I have lessened
my percentage of survival but I felt the Taxotere would of killed me. I
knew my body.
I have come to terms I'm here for a visit and we all are ....I plan on
enjoying what I have left. I am going to a concert at Madison Square Garden
next month.
Pami

"Jeff" <jeff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ilena Rose" <BIA@mundo.com> wrote in message
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"Ilena Rose" <BIA@mundo.com> wrote in message
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> Jeffrey P Utz (who was never allowed a non-restricted medical
> licensed) claims:
>
> The alternative is death. Which would you chose?
>
> Jeff
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> First of all, your hypothesis is probably inaccurate, as usual.
>
> What do I chose?
>
> That people are given unbiased information upon which to base their
> treatment decisions ... not the biased, pharma indutry views spread
> about by Healthfrauds and quote Quackbusters unquote.
>
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...cle2026798.ece
>
> Cancer drugs harmful to brain cells
> By John von Radowitz
> Published: 30 November 2006
>
> Common cancer drugs may be more harmful to the brain than the tumour
> cells they are meant to destroy.
>
> Laboratory tests have shown that dose levels typically used when
> treating patients killed 70-100 per cent of neural cells but just
> 40-80 per cent of cancer cells. Several types of healthy brain cell
> continued to die for at least six weeks after exposure.
>
> The findings, published in the Journal of Biology, may help explain
> the little understood cancer therapy side effect of "chemo brain".
>
> Patients can suffer symptoms ranging from memory loss to seizures,
> loss of vision and even dementia. Until recently, these problems were
> often blamed on a patient's mental state.
>
> However, a growing body of evidence is now leading doctors to accept
> the reality of "chemo brain".
>
> A study this year suggested that more than 82 per cent of cancer
> patients may suffer some form of mental impairment. While scientists
> have suspected that chemotherapy could have an impact on the central
> nervous system, it was not clear how this might occur.
>
> Mark Noble, from the University of Rochester Medical Centre in New
> York, who led the research, said: "This is the first study that puts
> 'chemo brain' on a sound scientific footing, in terms of neurobiology
> and cellular biology."
>
> The brain is populated with several types of cells that produce or
> repair normally functioning neurons. These are classified as dividing
> stem cells, dividing intermediate cells, precursors and progenitors,
> and non-dividing mature cells. Dr Noble's team exposed healthy brain
> cells as well as cancer cells to three chemotherapy drugs, carmustine,
> cisplatin and cytosine arabinoside, used to treat a wide range of
> diseases, including breast cancer, leukaemia and brain tumours.Tests
> showed that the drugs were toxic to all the different cell types even
> at very low concentrations.
>
> The research points to several strategies for making cancer treatments
> safer, such as applying protective agents and screening to see what
> cell populations are most at risk.
>
> Common cancer drugs may be more harmful to the brain than the tumour
> cells they are meant to destroy.
>
> Laboratory tests have shown that dose levels typically used when
> treating patients killed 70-100 per cent of neural cells but just
> 40-80 per cent of cancer cells. Several types of healthy brain cell
> continued to die for at least six weeks after exposure.
>
> The findings, published in the Journal of Biology, may help explain
> the little understood cancer therapy side effect of "chemo brain".
>
> Patients can suffer symptoms ranging from memory loss to seizures,
> loss of vision and even dementia. Until recently, these problems were
> often blamed on a patient's mental state.
>
> However, a growing body of evidence is now leading doctors to accept
> the reality of "chemo brain".
>
> A study this year suggested that more than 82 per cent of cancer
> patients may suffer some form of mental impairment. While scientists
> have suspected that chemotherapy could have an impact on the central
> nervous system, it was not clear how this might occur.
>
> Mark Noble, from the University of Rochester Medical Centre in New
> York, who led the research, said: "This is the first study that puts
> 'chemo brain' on a sound scientific footing, in terms of neurobiology
> and cellular biology."
>
> The brain is populated with several types of cells that produce or
> repair normally functioning neurons. These are classified as dividing
> stem cells, dividing intermediate cells, precursors and progenitors,
> and non-dividing mature cells. Dr Noble's team exposed healthy brain
> cells as well as cancer cells to three chemotherapy drugs, carmustine,
> cisplatin and cytosine arabinoside, used to treat a wide range of
> diseases, including breast cancer, leukaemia and brain tumours.Tests
> showed that the drugs were toxic to all the different cell types even
> at very low concentrations.
>
> The research points to several strategies for making cancer treatments
> safer, such as applying protective agents and screening to see what
> cell populations are most at risk.
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~
>
> http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...WatchWatch.htm
>> Jeffrey P Utz (who was never allowed a non-restricted medical
>> licensed) claims:
>>
>> The alternative is death. Which would you chose?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> First of all, your hypothesis is probably inaccurate, as usual.
>
> Nice personal attack.
>
>> What do I chose?
>>
>> That people are given unbiased information upon which to base their
>> treatment decisions ... not the biased, pharma indutry views spread
>> about by Healthfrauds and quote Quackbusters unquote.
>
> Actually, the information that they will get will be from their
> physicians. THey can also go and get unbiased information on the internet
> and read the original research articles on which the information is based.
>
> Most intelligent people will use quotation marks (") instead of saying
> quote and unquote.
>
> Jeff
>
> <...>
>
>
>

pami wrote:
> You speak from experience? Have you've ever had cancer or are you here just
> to fight? Cancer people NEED their friends. There's no argument to that.
> The ending argument is she never was the friend I thought she was.

It does not just apply to cancer. Several of my neighbors are survivors
of the 9/11 clean-up and are quite ill. While their families are
supportive, their families cannot do everything, and many in the
community are lending assistance.

I drove one former firefighter to his pulmonologist's appointment. His
pulmonologist is an old acquaintance and I wanted to also say hello. The
pulmonologist had an up to date chest x-ray taken, and when he looked at
it, he merely said that a 10 pack a day smokers would not look this bad.

Another fellow is a Army reservist (Major) who was seriously injured
when his vehicle hit a mine outside of Baghdad. He had several
surgeries, etc. and is now home for more recuperation and therapy.

The Army reduced him to non-active status, and, since his condition
prevents his reserve duty, he has no income from that venue. On top of
that, his job was in law enforcement, and he cannot perform their, either.

He has absolutely no income, a wife and three kids. Many people in the
community are helping out, and we recently loaded his garage with canned
goods, etc. to supplement what he gets from the PX, etc. Our
Congresscritter and Senators have all been stymied by the military foot
dragging, and no help is foreseen for the short term.

However, his kids will have a nice Christmas thanks to some local
stores, etc.

It truly takes a community.

pami wrote:

> You speak from experience? Have you've ever had cancer or are you here just
> to fight? Cancer people NEED their friends. There's no argument to that.
> The ending argument is she never was the friend I thought she was.
> Pami

Pami,
You've been crossposting to 5 newsgroups.
J

"pami" <pdefraia@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:kIFdh.26660$tb6.12531@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com...
>I do respect the decision that some people make not to use them. I would
> still support their decision, although I would explain my evidence-based
> belief to them.
>
> Jeff,
> Telling my doctor I couldn't do the last two chemos was hard. He walked
> out and came back in the office and I stood my ground.

That's sad that it has to be so hard to tell your oncologist that you won't
do the end of the treatment. It's your choice, not his.

> I know I have lessened my percentage of survival but I felt the Taxotere
> would of killed me. I knew my body.
> I have come to terms I'm here for a visit and we all are ....I plan on
> enjoying what I have left. I am going to a concert at Madison Square
> Garden next month.

Well said. Bottom line: it is your choice.

Was it the right decision? I don't know. Either way, I hope you remain
cancer free.

And enjoy the concert at MSG.

Jeff\

> Pami
>

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
>"Jeff" <jeff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:nkzdh.8041$1s6.2542@newsread2.news.pas.earth link.net...

KACHING!! $1 - Jan contributes nothing.

<snip stuff not written by Jan - oops, nothing left>
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Robert,
So true....I visited the 9-11 site in November of 2001 and it was so
heartbreaking. I recall even my throat burning on the train ride home.
I am so happy you can lend a hand the way you are. I intend on helping
other cancer patients once my reconstruction is completed. I already have
ideas in motion especially BC.
Pami


It truly takes a community.

opps...sorry Mark Its early but I called you Robert.
Pami

J,
How could that be I only am replying to Group in here?? How do I fix that?
Pami



Pami,
You've been crossposting to 5 newsgroups.
J

pami wrote:
> J,
> How could that be I only am replying to Group in here?? How do I fix that?
> Pami
>
>
>
> Pami,
> You've been crossposting to 5 newsgroups.
> J
>
>
When you reply to a message the reply is addressed by default to all the
groups that the original message went to. In this case it was

alt.support.cancer,
alt.support.cancer.breast,
talk.politics.medicine,
misc.health.alternative,
misc.kids.health

Which is where Ilena sent her original post. Hence the apparently off
topic comments and incomplete threads coming to this group.

When you are typing your reply you will see at the top of the window the
name(s) of the group(s) you are posting to. If you want to reply to one
specific group, then simply delete all the others from that list.

Whether or not you should do so depends on whether you think your reply
has relevance to the other groups. Normally such "follow-up" is
confined to a single group, indeed it is possible for a poster to
specify the follow-up group, which will then be the default for replies
used by your browser. But I think Ilena's browser does not have that
capability.

In general crossposts are rarely used by people posting original
material, they tend to be news items copied from elsewhere, so it is
something to watch for when commenting on such an item.


Tim Jackson

No thanks for the advice on that I am only on this one...I will look for
that one and if you should go on those other sites please apologize my post
went there.
Pami