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Old 10-01-2007, 02:11 AM
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FDA clinical trial oversight blasted

WASHINGTON, Sept. 28 (UPI) -- A new report says the Food and Drug
Administration is failing to properly keep an eye on the thousands of U.S.
clinical trials.

A review by Department of Health and Human Services Office of Inspector
General Daniel R. Levinson found that federal health officials didn't even
know how many clinical trials were being conducted, The New York Times
said Friday.

The report said the FDA has 200 inspectors to police an estimated 350,000
testing sites.
It estimated that only 1 percent of all clinical trials were audited
between 2000 and 2005.

The FDA also was faulted for failing to make sure that any problems found
are properly addressed.

The FDA oversees the safety of trials by companies seeking approval to
sell drugs or devices.

There is no federal oversight for private, noncommercial trials, the
newspaper said.

The inspector general's report calls for the creation of a comprehensive
database of all clinical trials, a federal registry of clinical trial
inspectors and increased legal oversight.



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Old 10-01-2007, 02:11 AM
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FDA clinical trial oversight blasted

WASHINGTON, Sept. 28 (UPI) -- A new report says the Food and Drug
Administration is failing to properly keep an eye on the thousands of U.S.
clinical trials.

A review by Department of Health and Human Services Office of Inspector
General Daniel R. Levinson found that federal health officials didn't even
know how many clinical trials were being conducted, The New York Times
said Friday.

The report said the FDA has 200 inspectors to police an estimated 350,000
testing sites.
It estimated that only 1 percent of all clinical trials were audited
between 2000 and 2005.

The FDA also was faulted for failing to make sure that any problems found
are properly addressed.

The FDA oversees the safety of trials by companies seeking approval to
sell drugs or devices.

There is no federal oversight for private, noncommercial trials, the
newspaper said.

The inspector general's report calls for the creation of a comprehensive
database of all clinical trials, a federal registry of clinical trial
inspectors and increased legal oversight.


Dosen't this make us feel all warm and fuzzy inside? My tax dollars at work.

BetsyB
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Old 10-01-2007, 02:11 AM
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This explains the Provenge fiasco. They new better than to trust the results.



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FDA clinical trial oversight blasted
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FDA clinical trial oversight blasted

WASHINGTON, Sept. 28 (UPI) -- A new report says the Food and Drug
Administration is failing to properly keep an eye on the thousands of U.S.
clinical trials.

A review by Department of Health and Human Services Office of Inspector
General Daniel R. Levinson found that federal health officials didn't even
know how many clinical trials were being conducted, The New York Times
said Friday.

The report said the FDA has 200 inspectors to police an estimated 350,000
testing sites.
It estimated that only 1 percent of all clinical trials were audited
between 2000 and 2005.

The FDA also was faulted for failing to make sure that any problems found
are properly addressed.

The FDA oversees the safety of trials by companies seeking approval to
sell drugs or devices.

There is no federal oversight for private, noncommercial trials, the
newspaper said.

The inspector general's report calls for the creation of a comprehensive
database of all clinical trials, a federal registry of clinical trial
inspectors and increased legal oversight.


Dosen't this make us feel all warm and fuzzy inside? My tax dollars at work.

BetsyB
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Old 10-01-2007, 10:58 PM
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"betsyb" <betsy958@TRASHoptonline.net> wrote in
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Betsy,

Your posts are full of formatting commands. It's hard to read your posts,
to find them. Do they look that way to you? Is it maybe HTML?

Fig
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Old 10-02-2007, 02:05 AM
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Betsy,

Your posts are full of formatting commands. It's hard to read your posts,
to find them. Do they look that way to you? Is it maybe HTML?

Fig

I have it set to respond in plain text? Should it be something else?
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Old 10-02-2007, 02:05 AM
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You are most definitely sending this post in HTML.....go back to
Tools/Options/Send and make sure News and Mail is ticked off for plain
text.

I changed the format, btw. Do NOT send HTML to news groups. Not unless
you want people yelling at you. (G)

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Betsy,

Your posts are full of formatting commands. It's hard to read your
posts,
to find them. Do they look that way to you? Is it maybe HTML?

Fig

I have it set to respond in plain text? Should it be something else?


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Old 10-02-2007, 04:53 AM
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"J" <nswex@nalid;anon> wrote in message
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> http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/inde...icaltrials.xml


<... lots of sensationalist reporting elided ...>

I don't know about the FDA, I've never worked there. But I do
know a lot about the National Cancer Institute's database of
clinical trials - and what the reporter claims here is off the
mark.

The part of the NCI that I work in is just the database part that
you see in http://www.cancer.gov. The clinical trials in that
database, for which the exact count is obviously known, are
checked by contacting the clinical trials lead organization for
each trial once every three months to get updates. All of the
trials there are registered with NCI and must pass some NCI
review before inclusion. The base information for the trial data
comes from the investigators, but the government has pretty
careful regulations about what they have to include and the
supporting documentation they have to produce.

That doesn't mean that all of the NCI trials are approved by the
NCI, some of them emphatically are not. But there are laws about
what a clinical trial investigator must do and, if the
investigator follows the laws, there's no legal way to stop him,
even though the NCI doctors may know full well that he's a
horrible bullshitter who is threatening people's health.

It's a tricky problem to balance proper regulation on the one
hand against over-regulation on the other. There are lots of
companies out there who are perfectly willing to sue the
government and/or call their congressman and cry government
persecution when they are the ones being regulated.

> The inspector general's report calls for the creation of a
> comprehensive database of all clinical trials, a federal
> registry of clinical trial inspectors and increased legal
> oversight.


There is a comprehensive database at www.cancer.gov for cancer
trials and at www.clinicaltrials.gov for all trials, including
cancer trials.

I'm not an expert in this, but I think the law requires many of
the trials to be registered. Lots of drug companies try to avoid
registering trials. They don't want to reveal what they're doing
and, if it goes bad (as it usually does) they want to bury the
whole thing and not let anyone know they even did it.

Is our government doing a good enough job? Probably not. But
this stuff is expensive. 200 FDA inspectors, with salaries,
overheads, support staff, etc., must cost tens of millions of
dollars. The place where I work (not all of it devoted to
clinical trials by any means) has 100+ employees and contractors.
Lots of money is being spent on all this, and a great many of the
people I've met who do it are pretty smart and pretty dedicated.
I and many other people I've met put in a fair amount of unpaid
time on top of their regular hours to get the work done.

And, as I indicated above, there can often be an adversarial
relationship between regulators and industry in which the
government can be pretty powerful but not as all powerful as
people imagine it is.

We can't both say that the government isn't regulating industry
enough, and at the same time say that budgets need to be cut and
government regulation has to be stopped. We can't have it both
ways folks.

It's really a tough problem. I don't claim to have the answers.
I do believe in government regulation, but I also believe that it
can get out of hand. There's no magic formula for doing it
right. We have to muddle through as best we can.

Alan


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Old 10-02-2007, 04:53 AM
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Figgertoes wrote:

> Betsy,
>
> Your posts are full of formatting commands. It's hard to read your posts,
> to find them. Do they look that way to you? Is it maybe HTML?



I observed nothing wrong -- no HTML or formatting commands -- with her post,
using both OE and Google in IE.




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Old 10-02-2007, 01:05 PM
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Alan Meyer wrote:

> "J" <nswex@nalid;anon> wrote in message
> news:47000A99.BA2E44BD@execulink.com...
> > FDA clinical trial oversight blasted
> > <
> > http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/inde...icaltrials.xml

>
> <... lots of sensationalist reporting elided ...>
>
> I don't know about the FDA, I've never worked there. But I do
> know a lot about the National Cancer Institute's database of
> clinical trials - and what the reporter claims here is off the
> mark.
> [...]
>
> > The inspector general's report calls for the creation of a
> > comprehensive database of all clinical trials, a federal
> > registry of clinical trial inspectors and increased legal
> > oversight.

>
> There is a comprehensive database at www.cancer.gov for cancer
> trials and at www.clinicaltrials.gov for all trials, including
> cancer trials.
>
> I'm not an expert in this, but I think the law requires many of
> the trials to be registered. Lots of drug companies try to avoid
> registering trials. They don't want to reveal what they're doing
> and, if it goes bad (as it usually does) they want to bury the
> whole thing and not let anyone know they even did it.
>
> Is our government doing a good enough job? Probably not. But
> this stuff is expensive. 200 FDA inspectors, with salaries,
> overheads, support staff, etc., must cost tens of millions of
> dollars. The place where I work (not all of it devoted to
> clinical trials by any means) has 100+ employees and contractors.
> Lots of money is being spent on all this, and a great many of the
> people I've met who do it are pretty smart and pretty dedicated.
> I and many other people I've met put in a fair amount of unpaid
> time on top of their regular hours to get the work done.


After a similar report came out in February, I think I looked for a database at the FDA and could not find one.
So I searched the interent and found the following.
http://www.clinicalstudyresults.org/search/
A person can search on a, for instance, chemo name, but sometimes hae to know both names.

So for instance tykerb has 22 trials mentioned there, of which at least half say "no publications".
I think Genentech makes Herceptin, trastuzumab. Nothing in that database that I could find.
Taxotere is there. 26 clinical trials. Phase II, III and IV
Taxol is there
Sutent is there
Temodar is there
Nexavar is there Phase II Publication pending:
Doxil is there
Aromasin ( exemestane ) is there
Alimta (pemetrexed - Eli Lilly) is there 36 trials including Phase I trials.
We get a link to their clinical trial description and a link to their clincial trial results.

We can see which don't show Phase I trials (and no publications for same)
and which do.
By visiting their webpages, we can make a note of their other products and if missing put pressure on them to list
their other clinical trial (results) there

Some of them should be asked why their Phase I results are not there.
So others may be missing because they don't want to declare their clinical trial results.
Or they don't know about this database webpage.

Cancer patients can put pressure on the pharmceuticals of their products by telling them and/or the press about this
database and asking why XXXX product is not in it. If it's a new product still in trials, they could at least list
the clinical trial and put "to be advised and the date expected of completion/results".

If you (plural) are on a cancer drug, see if it's listed there and what's missing, if anything, then contact the
pharmaceutical and ask that they list their products there.

Power to the people. If pharmaceuticals participate, in this database, they (and the patients) are doing the work for
the FDA, for the benefit of the patients and the taxpayers. Transparency for the people and taxpayers.

I suppose if the FDA has clinical trial results, that are not listed there, they could put pressure on the
pharmaceutical to get it out there or see which clinical trials have not been listed there..

So get this webpage in the news. Contact newspapers. http://www.clinicalstudyresults.org/
(Read the terms first though)

This would not apply to Canadian nor UK products, unless an American company has bought out a, for instance, UK
product, which has happened.
Whenever I've seen those, I've posted about it on sci.med.diseases.cancer (searchable by product name(s) or company)
J




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Old 10-02-2007, 01:05 PM
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J wrote:

> If you (plural) are on a cancer drug, see if it's listed there and what's missing, if anything, then contact the
> pharmaceutical and ask that they list their products there.
>
> Power to the people. If pharmaceuticals participate, in this database, they (and the patients) are doing the work for
> the FDA, for the benefit of the patients and the taxpayers. Transparency for the people and taxpayers.
> So get this webpage in the news. Contact newspapers. http://www.clinicalstudyresults.org/
> (Read the terms first though)
>
> This would not apply to Canadian nor UK products,


Or maybe it should include cancer products from other countries as well.
J

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"Heather" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:fdru2d$vns$1@registered.motzarella.org...
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I changed the format, btw. Do NOT send HTML to news groups. Not unless
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Betsy,

Your posts are full of formatting commands. It's hard to read your
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to find them. Do they look that way to you? Is it maybe HTML?

Fig

I have it set to respond in plain text? Should it be something else?

I had them both set to send in plain text as Heather would have seen in she bother checking the messages beforew blasting away.

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That is definitely HTML. You posted this with Outlook Express set to
send both text and html as a multipart document.

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