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Old 09-25-2007, 07:25 PM
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New survivorship documents at ASCO
You've finished the surgery, the radiation, the chemotherapy. You're a
winner, a cancer survivor. Now what? A new push is on to provide patients
with "survivor plans," long-awaited blueprints for the customized
follow-up care they'll require for years.

Few today get that careful send-off as they leave cancer specialists and
head back to their regular doctors, even though the Institute of Medicine
alerted the nation two years ago that these survivors' special needs
weren't being met.

Now a major doctors' group is creating easy-to-fill-out checklists that
survivors can hand to future physicians — what checkups to get and when,
what late side effects their treatment may trigger, what new symptoms to
watch for.

The American Society for Clinical Oncology recently posted the first such
documents — for colorectal and breast cancer — on its Web site, free to
copy and customize. ASCO is developing guides for other leading
malignancies — lung cancer is next — and a more general plan for less
common cancers.

"We're at the cusp of a very dramatic change in the way we're going to be
delivering coordinated care for cancer survivors," predicts Dr. Patricia
Ganz of the University of California, Los Angeles, a cancer survivorship
specialist who spearheaded the ASCO guides.

Today, "the patient feels lost," she explains. "If everybody has the same
marching orders, it will be a lot easier."

There are roughly 10 million cancer survivors, a population rapidly
growing thanks to advances in early detection and treatment.

When active treatment ends, those people too often don't realize their
simmering health risks. It's not just the possibility of the initial
cancer returning or a new one forming. Treatment may have left
infertility, memory or mobility damage, impaired organ function. Some side
effects may not appear for years. Then there are psychosocial
consequences, from depression to problems keeping health insurance.

Consider the contrasts: Have a baby and you're sent home with care
instructions, including when mom and child are to check in with their
respective doctors. Have heart surgery, and likewise you receive nutrition
and exercise rules, a list of worrisome symptoms and a checkup date.

Cancer treatment typically is far lengthier and complicated. Yet
oncologists until now have had no standard way to offer a similar guide.
Doctors like Ganz have pioneered survivor plans at specially designated
cancer centers, but few people are treated at such hospitals.

"A lot of patients get dropped," says Dr. Aziza Shad, who directs
Georgetown University Hospital's cancer survivorship program and writes
survivor plans for her own patients.

"I personally think it's the responsibility of every treating oncologist
to have this information available," Shad adds. "You did the treatment.
.... Your responsibility is also the aftercare."

The new guides come in two parts. First is a detailed treatment summary:
The cancer's type and stage; tests of lymph nodes, genes and other
indicators of prognosis; how much chemotherapy patients actually received,
as side effects often mean skipped or lowered doses.

The second part is a consumer-friendly list of future exams and what
symptoms to watch for.

A written document is crucial because even when doctors patiently explain
cancer treatment, "patients are notoriously overwhelmed and not hearing
half of what was said," says Ellen Stovall of the National Coalition for
Cancer Survivorship, herself a repeat survivor.

How can it make a difference?

_Say a woman suffers some shortness of breath. Does her family doctor
assume it's the 20 pounds she just gained — or do a more sophisticated
heart exam because she's a breast cancer survivor? Certain chemotherapy
can cause serious heart damage.

_Say a breast cancer survivor later gets lymphoma. Her new oncologist
would need to know exactly how much of the powerful chemo adriamycin she
received before to know if it was safe to try again.

_Ganz saw a patient last week who had beaten lymphoma at age 29 with chest
radiation, but now has breast cancer in her 50s. She wanted just the tumor
removed, but that requires radiation therapy and it's often impossible to
radiate the same spot again. Amazingly, the hospital found her old
radiation records — and doctors could tell the new rays wouldn't overlap
the old, letting her keep her breast.

_And Georgetown's Shad recounts a child who disappeared from her clinic's
follow-up care for five years — only to reappear with a drastically
lopsided face. Radiation had stopped short the bone growth on one side of
his body, something his newdoctors hadn't anticipated in time to treat.

"Thank god we have plastic surgery," she says with a sigh.

The concern is whether busy oncologists will embrace the guides; they do
create more work. Legislation is pending in Congress that would require
Medicare to pay for cancer-survivor plans.

"It's going to require a real shift in doctors thinking about how they
spend their time with their patients and what they need to know," says
Stovall — who urges patients to ask for the guides.

* New survivorship documents: http://asco.org/treatmentsummary
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(I think it's 2 documents there, per type of cancer)
If your type of cancer is not listed there (yet), bookmark the webpage and
check back, from time to time.
J

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Old 09-26-2007, 01:05 PM
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"J" <nswex@nalid;anon> wrote in message
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> New survivorship documents at ASCO
> You've finished the surgery, the radiation, the chemotherapy. You're a
> winner, a cancer survivor. Now what? A new push is on to provide patients
> with "survivor plans," long-awaited blueprints for the customized
> follow-up care they'll require for years.
>
> Few today get that careful send-off as they leave cancer specialists and
> head back to their regular doctors, even though the Institute of Medicine
> alerted the nation two years ago that these survivors' special needs
> weren't being met.


I'm really surprised to read this, in my experience and that of my husband
and friends and relatives we've been given follow-up care and every possible
known contingency has been explained by several medical people on many
occasions over a long time. We're always told that if we have any concerns
we have to ask to be seen again. If we have any7 questions they're answered
fully.

I can't think that we're just lucky ....

Mary



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Old 09-26-2007, 11:14 PM
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"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "J" <nswex@nalid;anon> wrote in message
> news:46F94A78.E754FEE2@execulink.com...
>> New survivorship documents at ASCO
>> You've finished the surgery, the radiation, the chemotherapy. You're a
>> winner, a cancer survivor. Now what? A new push is on to provide patients
>> with "survivor plans," long-awaited blueprints for the customized
>> follow-up care they'll require for years.
>>
>> Few today get that careful send-off as they leave cancer specialists and
>> head back to their regular doctors, even though the Institute of Medicine
>> alerted the nation two years ago that these survivors' special needs
>> weren't being met.

>
> I'm really surprised to read this, in my experience and that of my husband
> and friends and relatives we've been given follow-up care and every
> possible known contingency has been explained by several medical people on
> many occasions over a long time. We're always told that if we have any
> concerns we have to ask to be seen again. If we have any7 questions
> they're answered fully.
>
> I can't think that we're just lucky ....
>
> Mary
>

After 3-5 years, and other life events happening, I think it's a grand idea
to have a straightforward summary.

Thanks J,

Peter


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Old 09-27-2007, 02:47 AM
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"Mary Fisher" <mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "J" <nswex@nalid;anon> wrote in message
> news:46F94A78.E754FEE2@execulink.com...
> > New survivorship documents at ASCO
> > You've finished the surgery, the radiation, the chemotherapy. You're a
> > winner, a cancer survivor. Now what? A new push is on to provide

patients
> > with "survivor plans," long-awaited blueprints for the customized
> > follow-up care they'll require for years.
> >
> > Few today get that careful send-off as they leave cancer specialists and
> > head back to their regular doctors, even though the Institute of

Medicine
> > alerted the nation two years ago that these survivors' special needs
> > weren't being met.

>
> I'm really surprised to read this, in my experience and that of my husband
> and friends and relatives we've been given follow-up care and every

possible
> known contingency has been explained by several medical people on many
> occasions over a long time. We're always told that if we have any concerns
> we have to ask to be seen again. If we have any7 questions they're

answered
> fully.
>
> I can't think that we're just lucky ....

-------------
Unless you're lucky to live in a different nation. Your health care
providers all work for the same system; presumably there's more coordination
of care in the UK than there is in the US. We have a terrible problem here
with lack of continuity of care. Your medical records are not centralized
or standardized and each doctor only knows what you choose to tell him/her.
Or, I might say, what you *remember* to tell him/her.

Eva


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Old 09-27-2007, 02:47 AM
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> -------------
> Unless you're lucky to live in a different nation. Your health care
> providers all work for the same system; presumably there's more
> coordination
> of care in the UK than there is in the US. We have a terrible problem
> here
> with lack of continuity of care. Your medical records are not centralized
> or standardized and each doctor only knows what you choose to tell
> him/her.
> Or, I might say, what you *remember* to tell him/her.
>
> Eva


I think it depends where you get care, some hospital systems have
intergrated systems.
Alex
>
>


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Old 09-27-2007, 06:29 AM
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Although we live in the U.S., a friend is doing research impossible to
do here because of poor, chaotic record keeping through Canada because
they have an excellent, nationwide, record-keeping system, keyable by
area, illness, and income, as well as over time. I understand that
France has a pretty good system too.

Steve J

xela56 wrote:
>
>> -------------
>> Unless you're lucky to live in a different nation. Your health care
>> providers all work for the same system; presumably there's more
>> coordination
>> of care in the UK than there is in the US. We have a terrible problem
>> here
>> with lack of continuity of care. Your medical records are not
>> centralized
>> or standardized and each doctor only knows what you choose to tell
>> him/her.
>> Or, I might say, what you *remember* to tell him/her.
>>
>> Eva

>
> I think it depends where you get care, some hospital systems have
> intergrated systems.
> Alex
>>
>>

>

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Old 09-28-2007, 04:13 AM
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"xela56" <noaccount@nw.nl> wrote in message
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> > -------------
> > Unless you're lucky to live in a different nation. Your health care
> > providers all work for the same system; presumably there's more
> > coordination
> > of care in the UK than there is in the US. We have a terrible problem
> > here
> > with lack of continuity of care. Your medical records are not

centralized
> > or standardized and each doctor only knows what you choose to tell
> > him/her.
> > Or, I might say, what you *remember* to tell him/her.


>
> I think it depends where you get care, some hospital systems have
> intergrated systems.
> Alex

-----------------
Not the one I go to. Every one of my doctors--even for non-BC-related
stuff--belongs to the same hospital, yet if I'm hospitalized they can never
access my records from my previous hospitalizations. Every time I'm
admitted it's as if I've never been there before. Very frustrating. Don't
know if it's due to the stupid privacy laws (HIPA) or if their
record-keeping system was designed by idiots.

Eva


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Old 09-28-2007, 08:08 AM
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>"Eva" wrote :>
> >>"xela56" wrote :
>>>
>> > -------------
>> > Unless you're lucky to live in a different nation. Your health care
>> > providers all work for the same system; presumably there's more
>> > coordination
>> > of care in the UK than there is in the US. We have a terrible problem
>> > here
>> > with lack of continuity of care. Your medical records are not

> centralized
>> > or standardized and each doctor only knows what you choose to tell
>> > him/her.
>> > Or, I might say, what you *remember* to tell him/her.


>> Alex wrote:
>>
>> I think it depends where you get care, some hospital systems have
>> intergrated systems.
>> Alex

> -----------------
> Not the one I go to. Every one of my doctors--even for non-BC-related
> stuff--belongs to the same hospital, yet if I'm hospitalized they can never
> access my records from my previous hospitalizations. Every time I'm
> admitted it's as if I've never been there before. Very frustrating. Don't
> know if it's due to the stupid privacy laws (HIPA) or if their
> record-keeping system was designed by idiots.
>


Eva, I'm voting for the latter; idiot designers. I had that experience last
year; same hospital system, 2 different facilities on opposite sides of the
same city; 5 weeks apart. I had to give almost all the same information
as the first time. Interestingly enough the third time , some of the data was
still in the system from the 1st surgery but not the 2nd and most recent.
I was back at the 1st facility the 3rd time. You'd think they'd share.
Marsha


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Old 09-28-2007, 01:13 PM
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:19:09 -0500, "Mizz Marcia Ryder"
<MizzOtis@regrets.com> wrote:

>Eva, I'm voting for the latter; idiot designers. I had that experience last
>year; same hospital system, 2 different facilities on opposite sides of the
>same city; 5 weeks apart. I had to give almost all the same information
>as the first time. Interestingly enough the third time , some of the data was
>still in the system from the 1st surgery but not the 2nd and most recent.
>I was back at the 1st facility the 3rd time. You'd think they'd share.


There are a lot of problems with the British NHS system, so I can't
speak for everyone, just my own experience of the Newcastle-upon Tyne
group of hospitals.

I was very impressed when I recently had to see the cardiologist after
seven years, to find that he already had all my files from the diabetic
unit and the breast clinic/oncology department for everything that has
happened to me since I last visited his department.

It was really good not to have to keep giving my details all over again.
--
"It's easier to get forgiveness than permission."
Rear Admiral "Amazing" Grace Hopper
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Old 10-01-2007, 03:00 PM
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This post confuses me. I thought we see our Oncologist for the rest of
our life (how ever long that may be) so that he/she can try to protect
us from any recurrance. No one ever told me any different. Is there a
time limit on this?? Not that I want to be his patient forever but at
least he can check my breasts for any new lumps. Who is supposed to do
that once we are discharged from the Oncologist?? I don't trust a gyn.
They always aren't as astute at this as the Oncologist, in my opinion
and experience.

Bea

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Old 10-06-2007, 09:31 PM
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"> This post confuses me. I thought we see our Oncologist for the rest of
> our life (how ever long that may be) so that he/she can try to protect
> us from any recurrance. No one ever told me any different. Is there a
> time limit on this?? Not that I want to be his patient forever but at
> least he can check my breasts for any new lumps. Who is supposed to do
> that once we are discharged from the Oncologist?? I don't trust a gyn.
> They always aren't as astute at this as the Oncologist, in my opinion
> and experience.
>
> Bea
>
> 'NO FORWARDS OR SPAM, PLEASE"
>


Hi Bea,
I don't know what other Drs. do, but I was released by my oncologist at the
20 year mark. I thought I'd see him once a year forever, but he said that
my GP could order the mammogram and do the breast exam. It happens that my
GP referred me to a breast health center for the mammo, so I am seen by a
breast Dr/surgeon if there is any question about the mammo. This happened a
couple of years ago when I required a stereo tactic biopsy, which was ok.
The breast Dr. does follow up now, so I see her once a year. My oncologist
also said that if there were any problem at all, I could request being seen
by him again. This works fine for me. I ask that copies of the mammo and
report are sent to my GP.

Barb


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