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Old 09-30-2007, 08:18 PM
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Hi All,
Posting for another...Grade 3 Level 3 breast cancer? Is there anyone here in
the situation? Not sure of 'levels' or terminology
Thanks


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Old 10-01-2007, 01:11 AM
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"Cavaliers" <cavaliers@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Hi All,
> Posting for another...Grade 3 Level 3 breast cancer? Is there anyone here
> in the situation? Not sure of 'levels' or terminology
> Thanks


Had stage III just over 7 years ago, can't remember grade without looking it
up - I'm thinking grade 2, but don't quote me. (No evidence of cancer now.)
Speaking simplistically, stage is how far advanced, grade is how aggressive.

Do you have particular questions of us? If so, please ask!

Ann T.
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Old 10-01-2007, 01:11 AM
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"A.P. Thorsen" <annthorsendontsendspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Cavaliers" <cavaliers@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:4pTLi.267437$fJ5.50782@pd7urf1no...
>> Hi All,
>> Posting for another...Grade 3 Level 3 breast cancer? Is there anyone here
>> in the situation? Not sure of 'levels' or terminology
>> Thanks

>
> Had stage III just over 7 years ago, can't remember grade without looking
> it up - I'm thinking grade 2, but don't quote me. (No evidence of cancer
> now.) Speaking simplistically, stage is how far advanced, grade is how
> aggressive.
>
> Do you have particular questions of us? If so, please ask!


Hi Anne,
Thank you vm for your swift reply.

I'm not familiar with the fine details so will check with my s-in-l,
however, I don't think she connects to Newsgroups so this may not be easy
for her to post and not sure if she is up to this right now. We are at the
'waiting for bone scans'.

I'll pass the explanation re Stage and Grade on and meantime ?? is the
'grade' is the more serious guide? For example what exactly does Stage III
mean? The level of lymph nodes affected?

My post has not shown up so I'm glad you posted it when you replied.
Thanks vm.


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Old 10-01-2007, 04:47 AM
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Comments interspersed below . . . .

"Cavaliers" <cavaliers@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> "A.P. Thorsen" <annthorsendontsendspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "Cavaliers" <cavaliers@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:4pTLi.267437$fJ5.50782@pd7urf1no...

>
> I'm not familiar with the fine details so will check with my s-in-l,
> however, I don't think she connects to Newsgroups so this may not be easy
> for her to post and not sure if she is up to this right now. We are at
> the 'waiting for bone scans'.


Many of us like "Dr. Susan Love's Breast Book" which is available at most
large bookstores or from Amazon. It has a good index so you can look up
just what you're interested in, or you can read the whole thing. It covers
many breast health issues, and breast cancer in detail.

>
> I'll pass the explanation re Stage and Grade on and meantime ?? is the
> 'grade' is the more serious guide? For example what exactly does Stage
> III mean? The level of lymph nodes affected?


Both stage & grade (technical terms) contribute to "seriousness"
(non-technical term), if by that you mean prognosis/treatability, more or
less.

The stages are based on how large the tumor is, whether & how many lymph
nodes are involved, and whether the breast cancer is (known to have) spread
beyond the lymph nodes.

The grades, basically, are how rapidly the cancer cells are multiplying.

One place to look for information about these terms is
http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms...s/staging.jsp/ and
http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms...rate_grade.jsp

There are other things that affect "seriousness", such as estrogen
receptivity (often abbreviated "ER"), Her2Neu expression, and other things
that are detailed characteristics of the cancer cells. These things are
usually part of the pathology report, which is a result of tests performed
on the tumor(s) and lymph nodes after surgery.

I think most of us would recommend that your sister-in-law ask her doctor
for a copy of her pathology report. It may not make sense on its surface,
but by reading Dr. Love's (or other) books, checking reliable web sites,
and/or asking questions of us about our experiences, a good bit of
information can be gleaned from it.

One warning: As you read, you will learn things that are hopeful, and
others that seem discouraging. All of us have a mix of factors affecting
us, and learning about them can be an emotional roller coaster ride. Some
of us feel better learning more of these details ourselves, and others find
the roller coaster draining, and prefer simply to find a medical team that
inspires their confidence and not personally delve into details.

> My post has not shown up so I'm glad you posted it when you replied.
> Thanks vm.


The early stages of diagnosis & treatment are very stressful. Your
sister-in-law is lucky to have family who are as concerned and caring as you
are. I know this is difficult for all of you, but you-all can handle this.
All of us are just regular people, and we slogged through all the decisions
and treatments one day at a time. It won't always be easy, but your family
will do that, too.

Best wishes to all of you, and especially so for good results on that bone
scan.

Ann T.
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:52 PM
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Cavaliers wrote:

> "A.P. Thorsen" <annthorsendontsendspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fdp4md$5na$1@news.msu.edu...
> > "Cavaliers" <cavaliers@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4pTLi.267437$fJ5.50782@pd7urf1no...
> >> Hi All,
> >> Posting for another...Grade 3 Level 3 breast cancer? Is there anyone here
> >> in the situation? Not sure of 'levels' or terminology
> >> Thanks

> >
> > Had stage III just over 7 years ago, can't remember grade without looking
> > it up - I'm thinking grade 2, but don't quote me. (No evidence of cancer
> > now.) Speaking simplistically, stage is how far advanced, grade is how
> > aggressive.
> >
> > Do you have particular questions of us? If so, please ask!

>
> Hi Anne,
> Thank you vm for your swift reply.
>
> I'm not familiar with the fine details so will check with my s-in-l,
> however, I don't think she connects to Newsgroups so this may not be easy
> for her to post and not sure if she is up to this right now. We are at the
> 'waiting for bone scans'.
>
> I'll pass the explanation re Stage and Grade on and meantime ?? is the
> 'grade' is the more serious guide? For example what exactly does Stage III
> mean? The level of lymph nodes affected?


Hello Diana,
There's several of us from Canada on alt.support.cancer
These are the BC guidelines for Stage III breast cancer
< http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/NR/exeres/...EB46A25145.htm >

If she has bone involvement, see the section (on the left side) called
"Metastatic Disease"

Don't forget to buy the book that Ann mentioned, one for you and one for the
patient, if possible.
Best wishes with the bone scan.
J

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Old 10-01-2007, 08:04 PM
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Hi Ann,
Thanks for your detailed and thoughtful comments. I will return...
Diana

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Old 10-01-2007, 08:04 PM
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Hi J
Thank you so much for your comments and the links. I'll ask more another
day. I saw the other Newsgroup but thought there were some comments about
not posting re breast cancer and leukemia. Will go there too.


"J" <nswex@nalid;anon> wrote in message
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>
> Hello Diana,
> There's several of us from Canada on alt.support.cancer
> These are the BC guidelines for Stage III breast cancer
> <
> http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/NR/exeres/...EB46A25145.htm >
>
> If she has bone involvement, see the section (on the left side) called
> "Metastatic Disease"
>
> Don't forget to buy the book that Ann mentioned, one for you and one for
> the
> patient, if possible.
> Best wishes with the bone scan.
> J
>



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Old 10-01-2007, 08:04 PM
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Hi J,
I am in British Columbia as you noted, however, the person for whom I'm
writing is not ;o(
I am curious though, please email me or otherwise reply here, how do you
know my name and that I'm in BC? Have we met elsewhere, perhaps?

"J" <nswex@nalid;anon> wrote in message
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>> Hello Diana,

> There's several of us from Canada on alt.support.cancer
> These are the BC guidelines for Stage III breast cancer
> <
> http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/NR/exeres/...EB46A25145.htm >



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Old 10-01-2007, 09:01 PM
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Cavaliers wrote:

> Hi J
> Thank you so much for your comments and the links. I'll ask more another
> day. I saw the other Newsgroup but thought there were some comments about
> not posting re breast cancer and leukemia. Will go there too.


Best stay here, Diana, at least until we hear more details.
There's a loonie there making weird posts (and crossposting to weird newsgroups) but
claiming he has cancer.
J

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Old 10-01-2007, 09:01 PM
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Cavaliers wrote:

> Hi J,
> I am in British Columbia as you noted, however, the person for whom I'm
> writing is not ;o(
> I am curious though, please email me or otherwise reply here, how do you
> know my name and that I'm in BC? Have we met elsewhere, perhaps?


I see you on the thyroid newsgroup, where I sometimes "lurk".
Your headers indicate Shaw, which is BC.
Is the patient in Canada?
J

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Old 10-01-2007, 09:58 PM
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"J" <nswex@nalid;anon> wrote in message
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> Cavaliers wrote:
>
>> Hi J
>> Thank you so much for your comments and the links. I'll ask more another
>> day. I saw the other Newsgroup but thought there were some comments
>> about
>> not posting re breast cancer and leukemia. Will go there too.

>
> Best stay here, Diana, at least until we hear more details.
> There's a loonie there making weird posts (and crossposting to weird
> newsgroups) but
> claiming he has cancer.
> J


Hi J and thanks again - these bottom feeders are everywhere unfortunately.


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Old 10-01-2007, 10:26 PM
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"J" <nswex@nalid;anon> wrote in message
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> I see you on the thyroid newsgroup, where I sometimes "lurk".
> Your headers indicate Shaw, which is BC.
> Is the patient in Canada?
> J



J - oic <g> can't go anywhere these days without bumping into someone you
know. You have a good memory...
Yes, the person is in Canada. I'm waiting to hear from her what's next.
Have mentioned the book also as mentioned, that she should get the pathology
report, also I suggested the post-operative report - I get a copy of
*everything* these days - learned this at alt.support.thyroid. Thanks.


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Old 10-02-2007, 12:05 PM
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Cavaliers wrote:

> "J" <nswex@nalid;anon> wrote in message
> > I see you on the thyroid newsgroup, where I sometimes "lurk".
> > Your headers indicate Shaw, which is BC.
> > Is the patient in Canada?
> > J

>
> J - oic <g> can't go anywhere these days without bumping into someone you
> know. You have a good memory...
> Yes, the person is in Canada. I'm waiting to hear from her what's next.
> Have mentioned the book also as mentioned, that she should get the pathology
> report, also I suggested the post-operative report - I get a copy of
> *everything* these days - learned this at alt.support.thyroid. Thanks.


Good on you.
If it had been US, I would have given you the NCCN guidelines.
If it's Ontario, treatment guidelines are at www.cancercare.on.ca/
Many of them are in Adobe files.
They put out a report, last year, that said that cancer care gets worse from
West to East, BC and Alberta being the best and as best I can tell, Quebec
starts to deteriorate through to the East Coast.
However, I've also looked at wait lists for various provinces and it seems that
every Province has breast cancer at the top of the list

If you want to look at guidelines for a different province, I might be able to
find or know where to ask.
J.

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Old 10-02-2007, 12:05 PM
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Cavaliers wrote:

> "J" <nswex@nalid;anon> wrote in message
> > Cavaliers wrote:
> >
> >> Hi J
> >> Thank you so much for your comments and the links. I'll ask more another
> >> day. I saw the other Newsgroup but thought there were some comments
> >> about
> >> not posting re breast cancer and leukemia. Will go there too.

> >
> > Best stay here, Diana, at least until we hear more details.
> > There's a loonie there making weird posts (and crossposting to weird
> > newsgroups) but
> > claiming he has cancer.
> > J

>
> Hi J and thanks again - these bottom feeders are everywhere unfortunately.


There's other problems on alt.support.cancer.
Some are "appalled" that I refer prostate cancer patients to
alt.support.cancer.prostate and breast cancer patients here.
They've been beating me up lately for referrals.
BJ comes to get the thyroid cancer patients.
Eric comes to get the esopageal cancer patients.
I refer mesothelioma patients to ACOR lists. Otherwise the ewsgroup is
overwhelmed with lawyer types looking for clients.
I refer leukemia and lymphoma patients elsewhere because of the often (not
always) complexities of their diagnostic tests and monitoring tests.

This is the post that got some of them in an uproar
http://www.talkaboutsupport.com/grou...es/141850.html
Sheesh ! the breast and prostate cancer eewsgroups were created after
alt.support.cancer because they (patients) wanted their own newsgroup.
That still leaves approx 90 or more types of cancer for alt.support.cancer to
support.
I don't' understand their nastiness with me, particularly since some of the same
people have referrred people to other places. Newgroups politics. Sheesh !
Oh and we get a lot more crosspost loonies. You know, I suppose Ironjustice,
breast implant, for now, skips alt.support.cancer, a it's offtopic on
alt.support.cancer, more sales people, of unproven prooducts, more people
looking for donations.
So, in conclusion, you're better off here. If you would like to ask about
something, see me or Steph on sci.med.diseases.cancer. he's a clinical
oncologist, radiation oncologist in BC

I shall leave you now, but will be watching for your updates and interject, if I
can help in any way.
What the others here do better, I'll leave to them. k?
J

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