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Old 03-31-2007, 10:10 PM
Eva
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Default Xeloda question (reposted)

I posted this in the "update" thread but no one replied, so I'm reposting my
question here:

"allan" <wizard10000@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> ....If anybody else is getting ready to do Tykerb + Xeloda and thinks they
> may have trouble paying for the meds, help is available.

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I looked up Xeloda, and except for being a pill rather than an IV, it sounds
like a standard chemo drug rather than a "targeted" treatment. I'm going by
the side effects that are listed--hair loss, hand & foot syndrome, mouth
sores, constipation--which are like what I had on Adriamycin & Cytoxin, my
first chemo. These were pretty awful. Why does Tykerb have to be taken with
Xeloda, specifically?

Eva



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Old 04-01-2007, 01:40 AM
Tim Jackson
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Eva wrote:
>
> ---------------
> I looked up Xeloda, and except for being a pill rather than an IV, it sounds
> like a standard chemo drug rather than a "targeted" treatment. I'm going by
> the side effects that are listed--hair loss, hand & foot syndrome, mouth
> sores, constipation--which are like what I had on Adriamycin & Cytoxin, my
> first chemo. These were pretty awful. Why does Tykerb have to be taken with
> Xeloda, specifically?
>
>

OK, I'll give it a go.

Xeloda is basically the same as the long established chemotherapy drug
5FU, but in a form which can be taken orally and gets converted to 5FU
in the body. So it is indeed a 'standard' chemo drug. It known to be
is effective alone or in combination with Taxotere for metastatic patients.

This class of drugs interferes with the cell division mechanism,
corrupting the copying of DNA among other effects. As with most
chemotherapies it has significant and dose-limiting side effects.

Tykerb is a growth factor blocker that attacks both the receptor
attacked by Herceptin (HER2) and another one (EGFR). In this it acts on
those receptors in the same way that Tamoxifen acts on estrogen receptors

The primary reason why it is prescribed in combination with Xeloda is
that it works. Tykerb is a new drug, and not all possible combinations
have been tested. It is known that it produces a major improvement over
Xeloda alone in a certain class of patients, and that the two drugs do
not interfere with each other.

That begs the question why test that particular combination. One reason
is that receptor blockers (including hormone therapy) slow or stop the
growth of tumours but do not actively destroy them. In the adjuvant
setting, where there is believed to be no sizeable tumour present, it is
up to the immune system to destroy any cancer cells that appear. But we
are talking about metastatic disease, where simply halting growth is not
enough, we need to be actively demolishing the tumours as well, to
reduce symptoms. Hence it is logical to combine these agents with
chemotherapy, and the combination is indeed proven to be effective.

One reason to chose Xeloda as the chemotherapy agent is that both drugs
can be administered orally, simplifying the procedure. Another is that
the patients eligible for this drug under the current approval will
already have recently had a taxane, an anthracycline and Herceptin, so
the choice of agents available is restricted, and 5FU is an obvious choice.


Tim Jackson
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Old 04-02-2007, 01:05 PM
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Eva wrote:
> I posted this in the "update" thread but no one replied, so I'm reposting my
> question here:


> I looked up Xeloda, and except for being a pill rather than an IV, it sounds
> like a standard chemo drug rather than a "targeted" treatment. I'm going by
> the side effects that are listed--hair loss, hand & foot syndrome, mouth
> sores, constipation--which are like what I had on Adriamycin & Cytoxin, my
> first chemo. These were pretty awful. Why does Tykerb have to be taken with
> Xeloda, specifically?


I did answer in the other thread, Eva - it just took me a bit. I'll
repost here -

I can't say, other than that's the application that was approved by
the FDA.

Clinical trials are still ongoing - perhaps there's some synergy
between Tykerb and Xeloda that makes them work better than either drug
does separately - kinda like Herceptin and Navelbine?

Still guessing here, but Tykerb is only approved for folks for whom
Herceptin is ineffective, so that would mean (at least in the
Colonies) that the person had already had AC, a taxane (Taxol,
Taxotere or Abraxane) and Herceptin + Navelbine. I'm not an
oncologist but the next course after that would most likely be either
Gemzar or Xeloda and it's kind of a coin toss which one you'd try
next.

Like I said, just guessing. Oncologists can prescribe Tykerb off-
label, but I think it may be awhile before we see that.

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Old 04-03-2007, 07:43 AM
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"allan" <wizard10000@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Eva wrote:
> > I posted this in the "update" thread but no one replied, so I'm

reposting my
> > question here:

>
> > I looked up Xeloda, and except for being a pill rather than an IV, it

sounds
> > like a standard chemo drug rather than a "targeted" treatment. I'm

going by
> > the side effects that are listed--hair loss, hand & foot syndrome, mouth
> > sores, constipation--which are like what I had on Adriamycin & Cytoxin,

my
> > first chemo. These were pretty awful. Why does Tykerb have to be taken

with
> > Xeloda, specifically?

>
> I did answer in the other thread, Eva - it just took me a bit. I'll
> repost here -
>
> I can't say, other than that's the application that was approved by
> the FDA.
>
> Clinical trials are still ongoing - perhaps there's some synergy
> between Tykerb and Xeloda that makes them work better than either drug
> does separately - kinda like Herceptin and Navelbine?
>
> Still guessing here, but Tykerb is only approved for folks for whom
> Herceptin is ineffective, so that would mean (at least in the
> Colonies) that the person had already had AC, a taxane (Taxol,
> Taxotere or Abraxane) and Herceptin + Navelbine. I'm not an
> oncologist but the next course after that would most likely be either
> Gemzar or Xeloda and it's kind of a coin toss which one you'd try
> next.
>
> Like I said, just guessing. Oncologists can prescribe Tykerb off-
> label, but I think it may be awhile before we see that.

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Thanks. I'm trying to look ahead, worrying about the future. I know I will
never take Taxotere again, as my quality of life was so horrendous that life
would not be worth living if I had to feel that bad. And yet I want to stay
alive. Maybe this amounts to wanting to have my cake and eat it too, but
I'm trying to figure out if there's a possible plan.

Eva


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Old 04-03-2007, 07:43 AM
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"Tim Jackson" <tim@tim-jackson.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Eva wrote:
> >
> > ---------------
> > I looked up Xeloda, and except for being a pill rather than an IV, it

sounds
> > like a standard chemo drug rather than a "targeted" treatment. I'm

going by
> > the side effects that are listed--hair loss, hand & foot syndrome, mouth
> > sores, constipation--which are like what I had on Adriamycin & Cytoxin,

my
> > first chemo. These were pretty awful. Why does Tykerb have to be taken

with
> > Xeloda, specifically?
> >
> >


<snip>
> One reason to chose Xeloda as the chemotherapy agent is that both drugs
> can be administered orally, simplifying the procedure. Another is that
> the patients eligible for this drug under the current approval will
> already have recently had a taxane, an anthracycline and Herceptin, so
> the choice of agents available is restricted, and 5FU is an obvious

choice.
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Aha, that makes good sense. Thank you.

Eva


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Old 04-03-2007, 08:07 PM
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On Apr 2, 9:40 pm, "Eva" <EvaDStruction...@NOTverizon.net> wrote:

> Thanks. I'm trying to look ahead, worrying about the future. I know I will
> never take Taxotere again, as my quality of life was so horrendous that life
> would not be worth living if I had to feel that bad. And yet I want to stay
> alive. Maybe this amounts to wanting to have my cake and eat it too, but
> I'm trying to figure out if there's a possible plan.


Eva, you most likely won't have to do Taxotere again. Normally they
give you something until you've either had a full course or it doesn't
work any more ;-)

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