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18 months after seed implant
  1. #1
    William Guest

    Default 18 months after seed implant

    at eighteen months after seed implant and radiaton therapy, I have once
    again started burning every time I urinate.
    also some mornings I have small blod clots and a little blood in urine.
    Is anyone else experiencing this at 18 months after seed implant? Rad doc
    said it would last 2 or three months.
    I am miserable, thanks



  2. #2
    Mark A Guest

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    "William" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    newsd_bh.37$[email protected]..
    > at eighteen months after seed implant and radiaton therapy, I have once
    > again started burning every time I urinate.
    > also some mornings I have small blod clots and a little blood in urine.
    > Is anyone else experiencing this at 18 months after seed implant? Rad doc
    > said it would last 2 or three months.
    > I am miserable, thanks



    What does your Dr. say.



  3. #3
    [email protected] Guest

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    William wrote:
    > at eighteen months after seed implant and radiaton therapy, I have once
    > again started burning every time I urinate.
    > also some mornings I have small blod clots and a little blood in urine.
    > Is anyone else experiencing this at 18 months after seed implant? Rad doc
    > said it would last 2 or three months.
    > I am miserable, thanks


    Here's what I wrote just down-thread:

    I have other side effects from the radiation, the IMRT and PD-103
    seeds. Several times a week, I drip a tiny amount of blood when I
    start to pee. I mentioned it to the rad-doc 3 months ago and he
    wasn't concerned. This started about 6 months ago and I'm guessing
    that it's normal/common at the 2 year mark for radiation. Anyone else
    see that?

    I'll see the rad-doc again in a couple weeks. In my case, it's been
    going on for longer than 3 months, more like 4 or 5.

    -kh other than that, my pecker is perking up.


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    Claude Guest

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    <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    > William wrote:
    >> at eighteen months after seed implant and radiaton therapy, I have once
    >> again started burning every time I urinate.
    >> also some mornings I have small blod clots and a little blood in urine.
    >> Is anyone else experiencing this at 18 months after seed implant? Rad doc
    >> said it would last 2 or three months.
    >> I am miserable, thanks

    >
    > Here's what I wrote just down-thread:
    >
    > I have other side effects from the radiation, the IMRT and PD-103
    > seeds. Several times a week, I drip a tiny amount of blood when I
    > start to pee. I mentioned it to the rad-doc 3 months ago and he
    > wasn't concerned. This started about 6 months ago and I'm guessing
    > that it's normal/common at the 2 year mark for radiation. Anyone else
    > see that?
    >
    > I'll see the rad-doc again in a couple weeks. In my case, it's been
    > going on for longer than 3 months, more like 4 or 5.
    >
    > -kh other than that, my pecker is perking up.


    A perky pecker. That's what we want!



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    Alan Meyer Guest

    Default Re: 18 months after seed implant


    "William" <[email protected]> wrote in message newsd_bh.37$V77.21@newsfe03.lga...
    > at eighteen months after seed implant and radiaton therapy, I have once again started
    > burning every time I urinate.
    > also some mornings I have small blod clots and a little blood in urine.
    > Is anyone else experiencing this at 18 months after seed implant? Rad doc said it would
    > last 2 or three months.
    > I am miserable, thanks


    I am about 3 years post radiation (HDR + 3DCRT). I had blood in
    semen and a bit in urine for just a month or so after treatment.
    After that, I had problems that required Flomax for another few
    months, but no more bleeding or pain.

    If you have a urologist, you might want to make an appointment.
    The radiation oncologist was the right guy to do the radiation
    treatment, but he might not be the best guy to think about the
    system as a whole. Maybe you have a urinary infection or some
    other problem that can be treated. Maybe you should be checked
    for anemia to be sure you aren't losing more blood than you can
    easily spare.

    It's often difficult to get help with problems like this. The rad
    onc may not know any way to help so he says, "wait awhile, it
    will clear up" (which could actually be the best advice). The
    urologist may think, "the rad onc messed something up - let
    him figure it out."

    If there is nothing that can be done, and after all a lot of our
    health problems are like that, don't let this make you miserable.
    A 30 second pain five or six times a day is something that we
    can deal with if we have to. Sometimes we have to just unzip,
    gasp for 30 seconds, zip up again, and go about our business.

    Best of luck with it.

    Alan



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    [email protected] Guest

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    William wrote:
    > at eighteen months after seed implant and radiaton therapy, I have once
    > again started burning every time I urinate.
    > also some mornings I have small blod clots and a little blood in urine.
    > Is anyone else experiencing this at 18 months after seed implant? Rad doc
    > said it would last 2 or three months.
    > I am miserable, thanks


    I thought about it a little more.

    My burning and stinging while pee'ing started sometime during the
    spring or early summer; that would be right about at the 21 month
    point. It came on gradually so I didn't really notice it. That was
    also the time that I stopped taking Aleve-once-a-day, so I figured it
    might be related.

    The tip-off for me was one morning, I looked down in the toilet and saw
    a couple tiny clots of blood on the leading edge of the porcelain bowl,
    just where it touches the water.

    Since then, and for the last 4, 5, 6 months, I occasionally see a
    dilute drop or two of blood there. This might be once a week.

    At my appointment 3 months ago, my PSA was way up. This is at 21
    months, not 18. The Rad-doc was more concerned about the rising PSA
    and whether it was "the bounce" or mets.

    We knocked it around. I don't think it's mets because in the 3 years
    leading up to the treatment 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, my PSA was a steady
    at 9. I calculate a doubling time of decades.

    Then in 2004, they start me on 8 months of Lupron, 25 IMRT sessions,
    and Pd-103.

    My PSA drops like a rock on Lupron, goes to < 0.1 for two tests three
    months apart, then starts climbing. It was 6.4 this summer. A doubling
    time of months. This is on a Testosterone of about 300.

    Figuring that the IMRT and Pd-103 hammered the cancer in the prostate,
    Where is the PSA coming from? The bone scan and Prostascint was clear
    (not that they mean that much, too many false negatives according to
    the docs.)

    Given all the radiation and my low-normal Testosterone, either the
    prostate cancer is a superstrength variety or I'm having a classic
    bounce.

    I think it's all connected in a poorly understood mechanism. The full
    court press of radiation takes out the prostate cancer. The radiation
    programs the cancer and the ancillary tissue to burn off, peaking at 18
    to 24 months.

    The dieing cancer and prostate cells release PSA as they rupture.
    Cells in urethral lining break down at the same time; a small amount of
    blood leaks and forms tiny clots.

    In the old days, before the precision delivery systems, there would be
    hot spots and cold spots. Over the couple years after the treatment,
    small groups of cells would die at different times. A tiny section of
    the uretha, some cancer over there. Hot spots die early, cold spots
    take longer, maybe even survive unscathed.

    The blood leak and the PSA release would be distributed over time and
    space because the radiation was non-uniform. On any one day, the
    blood leak and PSA release would be a percent or so of the total. This
    is an amount that's too small to detect.

    The precision delivery of radiation causes everything to go at once,
    right at the 18 to 24 month period.

    With today's precision delivery, a larger percentage of the urethra is
    leaking blood. It's still a small amount but it's enough to pool at
    night and manifest as a tiny clot in the morning.

    Instead of the dieing cancer releasing PSA over 4 or 5 years, it's
    concentrated in the 18-24 month period. I have some graphs of bounce
    PSA and one thing that stands out is how fast it rises at 18 months and
    how fast it drops after 30 months.

    I'm guessing that the burning, blood, and PSA bounce are artifacts of
    better treatment.

    -kh


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    Glassman@work Guest

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    "William" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    newsd_bh.37$[email protected]..
    > at eighteen months after seed implant and radiaton therapy, I have once
    > again started burning every time I urinate.
    > also some mornings I have small blod clots and a little blood in urine.
    > Is anyone else experiencing this at 18 months after seed implant? Rad doc
    > said it would last 2 or three months.
    > I am miserable, thanks
    >


    Instead of having it all surgically removed in one shot, it's dying a slow
    death by decay. The tissue that's not absorbed has to go somewhere, so out
    it comes in chunks. Hang in there!

    --
    JK Sinrod
    www.SinrodStudios.com
    www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com



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    Beverley Guest

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    Make sure you do not have a bladder or kidney infection brewing.
    Bev


    "William" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    newsd_bh.37$[email protected]..
    > at eighteen months after seed implant and radiaton therapy, I have once
    > again started burning every time I urinate.
    > also some mornings I have small blod clots and a little blood in urine.
    > Is anyone else experiencing this at 18 months after seed implant? Rad doc
    > said it would last 2 or three months.
    > I am miserable, thanks
    >
    >




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