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Old 10-30-2007, 04:44 PM
Dr. Cavortian
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Default CANCER: What's The Answer? Throwing Money At "Cures" Or Teaching Risk Avoidance?

The American Cancer Society and other big-time cancer "fighters" have
been, they tell us, assiduously searching for cancer cures since, at
least the 1950s. Total monetary contributions to these groups are
estimated to have reached the TRILLION-dollar mark, although accurate
figures, we're told, are not available.

We're also not told precisely how much money CEOs and top managers of
these organizations receive in annual salary and bonuses. Estimates
start in the 6-figures and go up to $10-million.

Yet, despite all this money being tossed about, and despite the
frequent, glowing news releases out of the cancer community, the
OVERALL "cure rate" for all types of cancers in the U.S. is about
where it was in 1953, 49- to 51-percent! Naturally, the cancer
barons deny this.

Is this seemingly immutable cure-rate because of waste in research
programs, waste in terms of overpaid "managers," or waste in pursuit
of the wrong answers? Or a combination of these factors?

Scientists and oncologists, sotto voce, say that quite possibly a
cancer "cure" will never be found, much less some type(s) of
"immunization."

RISK AVOIDANCE -- preventing, eliminating, or reducing risk factors,
including known carcinogens, just might be the best approach.

But the "Big Cancer" folks might have some things to say to opposers
of the bad science, regulatory sclerosis, and outright fraud that have
played a role in the decades-long "war on cancer."

-------------------------------

"Author's Book on Cancer Fuels Flames Again"

By Cindy Skrzycki
Bloomberg News
In The Washington Post, D03
Tuesday, October 30, 2007


Devra Davis spent part of her growing-up years in a Pennsylvania steel
town that became famous for a lethal industrial fog that settled over
the community and killed 20 people over five days in 1948.

So it's no surprise that Davis, 61, an epidemiologist at the
University of Pittsburgh, has written controversial books drawing on
her experiences. The latest, "The Secret History of the War on
Cancer," claims that 10 million cancer deaths could have been avoided
over the past 30 years had it not been for industry opposition to good
science and regulatory inaction by the U.S. government.

Davis's message, hailed as courageous or fanatical and fringe, arrives
at a time when the public is concerned about tainted domestic food
supplies, lax import rules on lead-contaminated toys, and charges of
doctored government reports on climate change.

"We want to believe we can cure cancer -- throw a lot of money at it
and solve the problem," Davis said in an interview. "It hasn't worked
because we want to kill the disease but don't look at what causes it."

A major theme of the book is that the battle against cancer is being
fought mostly on the treatment front. The overall cancer death rate
has declined in recent years because there are fewer smokers and
better detection and treatments. About half a million Americans die of
cancer annually, the National Cancer Institute says.

The hard work of identifying environmental factors that may lead to
cancer is often not undertaken, Davis writes. Or the results of
research are ignored, dismissed as lacking proof, or treated as a
"trade secret" by the government and manufacturers.

Not enough attention is being paid, she says, to the effects of small
doses of chemicals that, when taken together, may put people at risk.

Davis, director of the Center for Environmental Oncology at Pitt's
cancer institute, raises a red flag on children using cellphones or
bubble baths containing 1,4-Dioxane, a foaming agent that is banned in
Europe because it has been linked to cancer in animals. She cautions
people of all ages to avoid home insulation containing asbestos, to
limit CT scans and to shun the use of aspartame.

"It's death by a 1,000 cuts for us and our children from these low-
level toxins," she said.

"Unusual cancers" are popping up in younger people, she said, with a
growing number of cases of childhood leukemia and brain and kidney
cancer. Ten percent of the nation's 10 million cancer survivors are
younger than 40.

Regulators should look at the combined risks of small amounts of
hazardous substances and find safer alternatives, Davis argues. She
would let companies tell what they learned about the hazards of their
products from their own research, in exchange for amnesty from legal
liability.

Davis's book is drawing predictable reactions from each end of the
political-scientific spectrum.

"We see the out-and-out manipulation of research or suppression of
it," said Francesca Grifo, senior scientist and director of the Union
of Concerned Scientists' scientific integrity program in Washington.
"The fact she is putting these things together maybe will get people
to ask more questions."

On the other hand, Bruce Ames, a retired University of California
biochemist and National Medal of Science winner, said Davis is
fanatical and "has gone completely overboard about traces of chemicals
versus what is out there -- bad diets and smoking."

Elizabeth M. Whelan, president and founder of the American Council on
Science and Health, a New York group of doctors and scientists who
question the reliability of the science government uses to regulate,
agrees with Ames. She called Davis's book "fringe." The real health
risks, Whelan said, are tobacco, exposure to sunlight, obesity, and
for women, sexual habits, childlessness and drinking too much.

The Donora accident from childhood prompted Davis to write her first
book, "When Smoke Ran Like Water," which became a National Book Award
finalist after it was published in 2002. It took 20 years and the loss
of both parents to cancer for her to write her new book.

Equally important in shaping her views, Davis said, were the years she
spent in Washington. She worked on toxicology studies at the
Environmental Protection Agency in the 1970s. She spent a decade at
the National Academy of Sciences, again focusing on environmental
toxins. And President Bill Clinton appointed her head of the U.S.
Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigation Board, which investigates
industrial accidents.

She said she learned in Washington how corporate lawyers had succeeded
in setting the standard of proof for dangerous chemicals higher than
it should be by arguing that it's hard to "prove" what the real cause
of a cancer might be.

"In the absence of regulatory focus in the U.S. today and the lack of
leadership, we are losing ground," Davis said. "The devastating impact
on science makes McCarthyism look like child's play."

(Cindy Skrzycki is a regulatory columnist with Bloomberg News. She can
be reached atcskrzycki@bloomberg.net)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...102901951.html

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Old 10-30-2007, 04:44 PM
Steph
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"Dr. Cavortian" <kinkysr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193753183.408492.251240@y42g2000hsy.googlegr oups.com...
> The American Cancer Society and other big-time cancer "fighters" have
> been, they tell us, assiduously searching for cancer cures since, at
> least the 1950s. Total monetary contributions to these groups are
> estimated to have reached the TRILLION-dollar mark, although accurate
> figures, we're told, are not available.
>
> We're also not told precisely how much money CEOs and top managers of
> these organizations receive in annual salary and bonuses. Estimates
> start in the 6-figures and go up to $10-million.
>
> Yet, despite all this money being tossed about, and despite the
> frequent, glowing news releases out of the cancer community, the
> OVERALL "cure rate" for all types of cancers in the U.S. is about
> where it was in 1953, 49- to 51-percent! Naturally, the cancer
> barons deny this.
>

Actually, it's about 62% if you exclude skin cancers.

> Is this seemingly immutable cure-rate because of waste in research
> programs, waste in terms of overpaid "managers," or waste in pursuit
> of the wrong answers? Or a combination of these factors?
>
> Scientists and oncologists, sotto voce, say that quite possibly a
> cancer "cure" will never be found, much less some type(s) of
> "immunization."
>


None of the ones I know.

Selling, are we?


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Old 10-30-2007, 06:39 PM
mcs
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Everything seems to be about jobs and power. Convince people a cure is the
answer and you have tv stations selling hospitals and drugs instead of
getting people out of harms way like in our area pollution . The power of
media will get millions walking while many people are not informed of the
immediate dangers like moderate particulate pollution and worse where they
are even walking
I am not saying people who smoked should get cancer and many of them should
not be blamed because smoking is often an addiction but there are things
society needs to do to help people survive healthy, free of violence and
environmental risks.. Why we don't get this country caring about that , I
don't understand



.. There are other things people can do to avoid cancer but the same research
who claims to care about you seldom tells you how to avoid it with what we
already know, thats whats amazing.
"Dr. Cavortian" <kinkysr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1193753183.408492.251240@y42g2000hsy.googlegr oups.com...
> The American Cancer Society and other big-time cancer "fighters" have
> been, they tell us, assiduously searching for cancer cures since, at
> least the 1950s. Total monetary contributions to these groups are
> estimated to have reached the TRILLION-dollar mark, although accurate
> figures, we're told, are not available.
>
> We're also not told precisely how much money CEOs and top managers of
> these organizations receive in annual salary and bonuses. Estimates
> start in the 6-figures and go up to $10-million.
>
> Yet, despite all this money being tossed about, and despite the
> frequent, glowing news releases out of the cancer community, the
> OVERALL "cure rate" for all types of cancers in the U.S. is about
> where it was in 1953, 49- to 51-percent! Naturally, the cancer
> barons deny this.
>
> Is this seemingly immutable cure-rate because of waste in research
> programs, waste in terms of overpaid "managers," or waste in pursuit
> of the wrong answers? Or a combination of these factors?
>
> Scientists and oncologists, sotto voce, say that quite possibly a
> cancer "cure" will never be found, much less some type(s) of
> "immunization."
>
> RISK AVOIDANCE -- preventing, eliminating, or reducing risk factors,
> including known carcinogens, just might be the best approach.
>
> But the "Big Cancer" folks might have some things to say to opposers
> of the bad science, regulatory sclerosis, and outright fraud that have
> played a role in the decades-long "war on cancer."
>
> -------------------------------
>
> "Author's Book on Cancer Fuels Flames Again"
>
> By Cindy Skrzycki
> Bloomberg News
> In The Washington Post, D03
> Tuesday, October 30, 2007
>
>
> Devra Davis spent part of her growing-up years in a Pennsylvania steel
> town that became famous for a lethal industrial fog that settled over
> the community and killed 20 people over five days in 1948.
>
> So it's no surprise that Davis, 61, an epidemiologist at the
> University of Pittsburgh, has written controversial books drawing on
> her experiences. The latest, "The Secret History of the War on
> Cancer," claims that 10 million cancer deaths could have been avoided
> over the past 30 years had it not been for industry opposition to good
> science and regulatory inaction by the U.S. government.
>
> Davis's message, hailed as courageous or fanatical and fringe, arrives
> at a time when the public is concerned about tainted domestic food
> supplies, lax import rules on lead-contaminated toys, and charges of
> doctored government reports on climate change.
>
> "We want to believe we can cure cancer -- throw a lot of money at it
> and solve the problem," Davis said in an interview. "It hasn't worked
> because we want to kill the disease but don't look at what causes it."
>
> A major theme of the book is that the battle against cancer is being
> fought mostly on the treatment front. The overall cancer death rate
> has declined in recent years because there are fewer smokers and
> better detection and treatments. About half a million Americans die of
> cancer annually, the National Cancer Institute says.
>
> The hard work of identifying environmental factors that may lead to
> cancer is often not undertaken, Davis writes. Or the results of
> research are ignored, dismissed as lacking proof, or treated as a
> "trade secret" by the government and manufacturers.
>
> Not enough attention is being paid, she says, to the effects of small
> doses of chemicals that, when taken together, may put people at risk.
>
> Davis, director of the Center for Environmental Oncology at Pitt's
> cancer institute, raises a red flag on children using cellphones or
> bubble baths containing 1,4-Dioxane, a foaming agent that is banned in
> Europe because it has been linked to cancer in animals. She cautions
> people of all ages to avoid home insulation containing asbestos, to
> limit CT scans and to shun the use of aspartame.
>
> "It's death by a 1,000 cuts for us and our children from these low-
> level toxins," she said.
>
> "Unusual cancers" are popping up in younger people, she said, with a
> growing number of cases of childhood leukemia and brain and kidney
> cancer. Ten percent of the nation's 10 million cancer survivors are
> younger than 40.
>
> Regulators should look at the combined risks of small amounts of
> hazardous substances and find safer alternatives, Davis argues. She
> would let companies tell what they learned about the hazards of their
> products from their own research, in exchange for amnesty from legal
> liability.
>
> Davis's book is drawing predictable reactions from each end of the
> political-scientific spectrum.
>
> "We see the out-and-out manipulation of research or suppression of
> it," said Francesca Grifo, senior scientist and director of the Union
> of Concerned Scientists' scientific integrity program in Washington.
> "The fact she is putting these things together maybe will get people
> to ask more questions."
>
> On the other hand, Bruce Ames, a retired University of California
> biochemist and National Medal of Science winner, said Davis is
> fanatical and "has gone completely overboard about traces of chemicals
> versus what is out there -- bad diets and smoking."
>
> Elizabeth M. Whelan, president and founder of the American Council on
> Science and Health, a New York group of doctors and scientists who
> question the reliability of the science government uses to regulate,
> agrees with Ames. She called Davis's book "fringe." The real health
> risks, Whelan said, are tobacco, exposure to sunlight, obesity, and
> for women, sexual habits, childlessness and drinking too much.
>
> The Donora accident from childhood prompted Davis to write her first
> book, "When Smoke Ran Like Water," which became a National Book Award
> finalist after it was published in 2002. It took 20 years and the loss
> of both parents to cancer for her to write her new book.
>
> Equally important in shaping her views, Davis said, were the years she
> spent in Washington. She worked on toxicology studies at the
> Environmental Protection Agency in the 1970s. She spent a decade at
> the National Academy of Sciences, again focusing on environmental
> toxins. And President Bill Clinton appointed her head of the U.S.
> Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigation Board, which investigates
> industrial accidents.
>
> She said she learned in Washington how corporate lawyers had succeeded
> in setting the standard of proof for dangerous chemicals higher than
> it should be by arguing that it's hard to "prove" what the real cause
> of a cancer might be.
>
> "In the absence of regulatory focus in the U.S. today and the lack of
> leadership, we are losing ground," Davis said. "The devastating impact
> on science makes McCarthyism look like child's play."
>
> (Cindy Skrzycki is a regulatory columnist with Bloomberg News. She can
> be reached atcskrzycki@bloomberg.net)
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...102901951.html
>



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Old 11-02-2007, 01:21 AM
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"Dr. Cavortian" wrote:
>

aka 'Peeter' aka "Ivan Hubitchacokov" aka Peter Wright

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Old 11-02-2007, 04:10 AM
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people will believe whatever tv tells them.If they say a walk for a cure
they will walk. They will not question anything else.In the US there really
are lots of mean people and lots of angry people who don't buy everything
they tell you. The people who know how to control do a fine job. The problem
of course is many people who get harmed are not told how to avoid the
harmful things in order to sell drugs. I see it first hand with pollution /
number of days we don't get good air, / the complete avoidance of our city
having more cancer and most asthma so the same stations who default for
cancer walks don't have to tell you why you need the hospitals or meds they
hype more. Its all connected. The power of the media is unbelievable.
Sometimes they espouse the good things, other times they espouse whatever
controls.
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>
> "Dr. Cavortian" wrote:
>>

> aka 'Peeter' aka "Ivan Hubitchacokov" aka Peter Wright
>
> comcast troll been around since '03 under this nym



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Old 11-02-2007, 05:50 AM
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On Nov 1, 9:59 pm, "mcs" <mcantpollut...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> people will believe whatever tv tells them.If they say a walk for a cure
> they will walk. They will not question anything else.In the US there really
> are lots of mean people and lots of angry people who don't buy everything
> they tell you. The people who know how to control do a fine job. The problem
> of course is many people who get harmed are not told how to avoid the
> harmful things in order to sell drugs. I see it first hand with pollution /
> number of days we don't get good air, / the complete avoidance of our city
> having more cancer and most asthma so the same stations who default for
> cancer walks don't have to tell you why you need the hospitals or meds they
> hype more. Its all connected. The power of the media is unbelievable.
> Sometimes they espouse the good things, other times they espouse whatever
> controls.
> "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net> wrote in messagenews:472A6BEF.166D8C75@bellatlantic.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Dr. Cavortian" wrote:

>
> > aka 'Peeter' aka "Ivan Hubitchacokov" aka Peter Wright

>
> > comcast troll been around since '03 under this nym- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -



If promoting public education of risk avoidance is the biggest
preventative of cancer and consequently the cheapest, why is it that
more and more people are diagnosed with cancer everyday?
Can the uneducated masses be that vast? Or is it because most people
don't care to make healthy lifestyle changes until they are left
without a choice? Only yesterday, a major news channel broadcasts a
story of how obesity may be the root cause of several cancers and can
predispose you to the likelihood of cancer. How many of us can say
that we are surprised to hear that information? My guess is not many.
Our biggest problem with society is that we expect a quick fix for
everything, and we knowingly turn our heads from what we know to be
right. You can not spend 20 years of your life eating out of fast food
joints and expect to have your health as well. So my question to you
is what is the bigger problem...cool indifference or honest ignorance?




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Old 11-02-2007, 09:10 AM
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"Lez.Zach" <Lez.Zach@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> If promoting public education of risk avoidance is the biggest
> preventative of cancer and consequently the cheapest, why is it that
> more and more people are diagnosed with cancer everyday?



Maybe it's because the population is getting older every day, and caner is
general a disease of the elderly. In addition, we have ways of diagnosing
common cancers like breast and prostate much earlier, though that may not
translate into better cure rates.

Next question?


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Old 11-02-2007, 06:20 PM
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On Nov 2, 1:34 am, "Steph" <st...@vancouvers.island> wrote:
> "Lez.Zach" <Lez.Z...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193978276.037743.59190@v29g2000prd.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > If promoting public education of risk avoidance is the biggest
> > preventative of cancer and consequently the cheapest, why is it that
> > more and more people are diagnosed with cancer everyday?

>
> Maybe it's because the population is getting older every day, and caner is
> general a disease of the elderly. In addition, we have ways of diagnosing
> common cancers like breast and prostate much earlier, though that may not
> translate into better cure rates.
>
> Next question?


So then I guess my point would be no matter how you go about it,
whether it be risk avoidance or medical intervention, both methods are
equally effective or ineffective at preventing and treating cancer. If
risk avoidance is to be effective then it should be taught at a young
age when lifestyle habits are formed. If medical intervention is to be
effective, it is best when the cancer is caught in its early stages.
In the coming years, do you feel one has a substantially better chance
of curbing cancer rates then the other?

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Old 11-05-2007, 02:16 PM
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"Steph" <steph@vancouvers.island> wrote in message
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>
> "Lez.Zach" <Lez.Zach@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1193978276.037743.59190@v29g2000prd.googlegro ups.com...
>> If promoting public education of risk avoidance is the biggest
>> preventative of cancer and consequently the cheapest, why is it that
>> more and more people are diagnosed with cancer everyday?

>
>
> Maybe it's because the population is getting older every day, and caner is
> general a disease of the elderly. In addition, we have ways of diagnosing
> common cancers like breast and prostate much earlier, though that may not
> translate into better cure rates.
>


so we may expect the cancer rates to follow age patterns?
Not diet, not smoking , not pollution?
I said this ten thousand times and instead of statements that say the
average person in polluted air does or doesn't feel the affects of a
packed of cigarettes a day, instead should be told exactly how or why anyone
would say something so stupid. Instead they should show risk to every single
person who is in harms way but not told. I feel the affects of pollution
everyday directly related to pollution count. If you don't , maybe you
should default to maybe its doing damage and find out how much. I told you
ways to prove how horrible pollution effects are harming some people more
then others. The people with degrees need to worry about that more then
CANCER Walks for Christs sake.
> Next question?
>



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Old 11-05-2007, 10:16 PM
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mcs wrote:
> "Steph" <steph@vancouvers.island> wrote in message
> news:MxzWi.166411$Da.99427@pd7urf1no...
>> "Lez.Zach" <Lez.Zach@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1193978276.037743.59190@v29g2000prd.googlegro ups.com...
>>> If promoting public education of risk avoidance is the biggest
>>> preventative of cancer and consequently the cheapest, why is it that
>>> more and more people are diagnosed with cancer everyday?

>>
>> Maybe it's because the population is getting older every day, and caner is
>> general a disease of the elderly. In addition, we have ways of diagnosing
>> common cancers like breast and prostate much earlier, though that may not
>> translate into better cure rates.
>>

>
> so we may expect the cancer rates to follow age patterns?
> Not diet, not smoking , not pollution?
> I said this ten thousand times and instead of statements that say the
> average person in polluted air does or doesn't feel the affects of a
> packed of cigarettes a day, instead should be told exactly how or why anyone
> would say something so stupid. Instead they should show risk to every single
> person who is in harms way but not told. I feel the affects of pollution
> everyday directly related to pollution count. If you don't , maybe you
> should default to maybe its doing damage and find out how much. I told you
> ways to prove how horrible pollution effects are harming some people more
> then others. The people with degrees need to worry about that more then
> CANCER Walks for Christs sake.
>> Next question?


No one is saying diet, pollution, and smoking (self-inflicted pollution)
do not contribute to cancer. But I'm sure you would agree that without
ageing subjects and valid tests, FAR less cancer would be discovered or
treated, simply because it takes decades of Big Macs and smog to kill
and testing generally reveals cancer earlier than symptoms do.

I.P.
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Old 11-08-2007, 01:01 AM
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"I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddaboutit@noway.nohow> wrote in message
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> mcs wrote:
>> "Steph" <steph@vancouvers.island> wrote in message
>> news:MxzWi.166411$Da.99427@pd7urf1no...
>>> "Lez.Zach" <Lez.Zach@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1193978276.037743.59190@v29g2000prd.googlegro ups.com...
>>>> If promoting public education of risk avoidance is the biggest
>>>> preventative of cancer and consequently the cheapest, why is it that
>>>> more and more people are diagnosed with cancer everyday?
>>>
>>> Maybe it's because the population is getting older every day, and caner
>>> is general a disease of the elderly. In addition, we have ways of
>>> diagnosing common cancers like breast and prostate much earlier, though
>>> that may not translate into better cure rates.
>>>

>>
>> so we may expect the cancer rates to follow age patterns?
>> Not diet, not smoking , not pollution?
>> I said this ten thousand times and instead of statements that say the
>> average person in polluted air does or doesn't feel the affects of a
>> packed of cigarettes a day, instead should be told exactly how or why
>> anyone would say something so stupid. Instead they should show risk to
>> every single person who is in harms way but not told. I feel the affects
>> of pollution everyday directly related to pollution count. If you don't ,
>> maybe you should default to maybe its doing damage and find out how much.
>> I told you ways to prove how horrible pollution effects are harming some
>> people more then others. The people with degrees need to worry about that
>> more then CANCER Walks for Christs sake.
>>> Next question?

>
> No one is saying diet, pollution, and smoking (self-inflicted pollution)
> do not contribute to cancer. But I'm sure you would agree that without
> ageing subjects and valid tests, FAR less cancer would be discovered or
> treated, simply because it takes decades of Big Macs and smog to kill and
> testing generally reveals cancer earlier than symptoms do.
>
> I.P.


The problem IP is smoking , and diet are often changeable based on persons
will power, pollution is often forced upon people who can't afford to move.
Its actually worse then smoking because with smoking you can stop or move
out of general area or even sue! With polluters, many people to this day in
my city donj't think pollution is a problem. They form their opinions on
danger totally based upon what the news media perceives as important. You
mention those three precipitators as if those three things are widely known
to cause illness. Most people do not associate the pollution in major
UScities , a major risk factor. I am saying I don't think these researchers
who suggested that people in polluted places are not exactly at the same
risk as pollution as someone who smoked a pack a day. . There are so many
variable forms of pollution and illness associated from it that have
recently been associated in real clinical studies, that one has to wonder
why it was said at all.


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Old 11-09-2007, 11:30 AM
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my 10 cents wort: on many hours of research I done which produces cancer:

1. foods,
lot of genetically engineered foods are screwing up the human DNA too.
Various additives and preservatives colors etc are the icing on the cacke!
2. Obesity
bunch of studies recently proved that obesity is huge contributor to
life style diseases, including cancer. Eating habits, the "oversize"
kifestyle. the genetically engineered corn syrup in EVERY comercial food
etc ...
3, stress
work, life etc creates lot of stress. The society is structured to
'take' all the money a-way,
therefore increased stress,
4.and for few just SOL
luck in life is important!


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Old 11-09-2007, 11:30 AM
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my 10 cents wort: on many hours of research I done which produces cancer:

1. foods,
lot of genetically engineered foods are screwing up the human DNA too.
Various additives and preservatives colors etc are the icing on the cacke!
2. Obesity
bunch of studies recently proved that obesity is huge contributor to
life style diseases, including cancer. Eating habits, the "oversize"
kifestyle. the genetically engineered corn syrup in EVERY comercial food
etc ...
3, stress
work, life etc creates lot of stress. The society is structured to
'take' all the money a-way,
therefore increased stress,
4.and for few just SOL
luck in life is important!


k
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Old 11-09-2007, 11:29 PM
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"Sveh Khan" <lz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> my 10 cents wort: on many hours of research I done which produces cancer:


> 1. foods,
> lot of genetically engineered foods are screwing up the human DNA too.
> Various additives and preservatives colors etc are the icing on the cacke!


This is probably bovine feces, but it doesn't matter. You already have
cancer.

> 2. Obesity
> bunch of studies recently proved that obesity is huge contributor to life
> style diseases, including cancer. Eating habits, the "oversize" kifestyle.
> the genetically engineered corn syrup in EVERY comercial food etc ...


Again, there is very little proof, but you already have cancer.

> 3, stress
> work, life etc creates lot of stress. The society is structured to 'take'
> all the money a-way,
> therefore increased stress,


Stress does cause your immune system to work less effficiently and less
effectively. If you really are in a country where society is structured to
take your money, I feel sorry for you. If you're not, I doubt that I can
help you destress considering the notion you have inculcated. But, exercise
should help.


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Old 11-11-2007, 04:42 AM
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"Sveh Khan" <lz@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> my 10 cents wort: on many hours of research I done which produces cancer:

I have spent the last 12 years reporting the exact affects I perceive from
pollution. To my surprise some of my assertions have been proven.For
whatever reason I can tell the particualte pollution count just by the way
my lungs constrict (all involutary) I then went on to find out what the heck
was going on. and how many others were affected and might not know it
because of it. I saw some very interesting things. You can literally take a
chart and monitor the health of people likE A MAP BASED ON where they
live and how far they are from pollution sources. I personally think
researchers can judge risk by comparing the percentage of people who ate the
same things and had same lifestyle , but lived in opposite constrasting
polluted and non polluted places. I believe in stress tests, in heart health
, in cancer, in respiratory health, and maybe even attitudes and
depressions, and morbidity those living closer to pollution sources
especially particulate polllution have more risk and those that live in
clean air have less risk. How much so is what needs to be determined .
>
> 1. foods,
> lot of genetically engineered foods are screwing up the human DNA too.
> Various additives and preservatives colors etc are the icing on the cacke!

I don't disagree
> 2. Obesity
> bunch of studies recently proved that obesity is huge contributor to life
> style diseases, including cancer. Eating habits, the "oversize" kifestyle.
> the genetically engineered corn syrup in EVERY comercial food etc ...

Dont disagree
> 3, stress
> work, life etc creates lot of stress. The society is structured to 'take'
> all the money a-way,
> therefore increased stress,

Don't disagree
> 4.and for few just SOL
> luck in life is important!
>
> Luck and genes and very important the pollution levels..The problem is the
> affects are not studied and published. There are people and states suing
> the problem is epa has still not acted. Those suing have won but there are
> rules to protect the polluters.. k



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Old 11-11-2007, 11:55 AM
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mcs wrote:
> You can literally take a
> chart and monitor the health of people likE A MAP BASED ON where they
> live and how far they are from pollution sources.


That would not surprise me. I think about it almost every time I drive
by this very nice 40-year-old home which was once fairly isolated but
now sits 50 feet downwind from an intersection that has cars idling at
its traffic lights about 18/7. What were the current residents
*thinking* when they bought that house? (They're too young to be its
original owners, and they're raising *kids* there.) I wouldn't need to
see a 50,000-home, double-blind, peer-reviewed study to dissuade me from
buying that home.

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Old 11-13-2007, 04:32 AM
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"I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddaboutit@noway.nohow> wrote in message
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> mcs wrote:
>> You can literally take a chart and monitor the health of people likE A
>> MAP BASED ON where they live and how far they are from pollution
>> sources.

>
> That would not surprise me. I think about it almost every time I drive by
> this very nice 40-year-old home which was once fairly isolated but now
> sits 50 feet downwind from an intersection that has cars idling at its
> traffic lights about 18/7. What were the current residents *thinking* when
> they bought that house? (They're too young to be its original owners, and
> they're raising *kids* there.) I wouldn't need to see a 50,000-home,
> double-blind, peer-reviewed study to dissuade me from buying that home.
>
> I.P.


there are millions living off the highway and near polluted places and it
probably didnt occur what affects the pollution has on their life. Me,
depression, asthma , high blood pressure. Almost all 500 murderers in this
city this year gets pollution much higher then average. As we speak my lungs
are constricted, my asthma is bothering me, I am depressed and the air
reading is near 80 way above good. This is what they call life in America.
where no one goes over the affects of this pollution on people. I call it
literally murder . so what right?


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