Catheter gone

Removed by the most adorable nurse.

I was hoping against hope that I would miraculously not need the
absorbent pads. NOT. I have stress incontinence, and likely just a
little ongoing leakage.

And evidently there was some air up in the bladder. Now THAT is an
odd feeling to have coming through. Seems they should warn you about
penis farts.

The best part is being able to sleep on my stomach, or any damn side I
please.

Dwight

On Tue, 27 May 2008 18:28:34 -0700 (PDT), Dwight <nodamnspamok@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Removed by the most adorable nurse.
>
>I was hoping against hope that I would miraculously not need the
>absorbent pads. NOT. I have stress incontinence, and likely just a
>little ongoing leakage.
>
>And evidently there was some air up in the bladder. Now THAT is an
>odd feeling to have coming through. Seems they should warn you about
>penis farts.
>
>The best part is being able to sleep on my stomach, or any damn side I
>please.
>
>Dwight

Hey, great - you're _only_ on pads, and not full-up diapers. That's great.
Coulda been like IPF, and be hosing down diapers 3 months later. Not fun.

Never had a penis fart before. Maybe I'll get one too, Friday. Gotta be
weird...

Good luck.

DM

"Dwight" <nodamnspamok@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I was hoping against hope that I would miraculously not need the
> absorbent pads. NOT. I have stress incontinence, and likely just a
> little ongoing leakage.

If all you have is stress incontinence so soon after, you're doing better
than 80% of us.

On May 28, 4:51*am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> "Dwight" <nodamnspa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f94805fc-ef30-4953-b42f-945fcabd7e24@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I was hoping against hope that I would miraculously not need the
> > absorbent pads. *NOT. *I have stress incontinence, and likely just a
> > little ongoing leakage.
>
> If all you have is stress incontinence so soon after, you're doing better
> than 80% of us.

Well, not sure. If I'm lying down, then stand up, there's some
leakage. I don't think that's the same as stress incontinence. I
think there's a slow leak going on too.

On May 27, 8:43*pm, Danger Mouse <danger_mo...@att.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 May 2008 18:28:34 -0700 (PDT), Dwight <nodamnspa...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Removed by the most adorable nurse.
>
> >I was hoping against hope that I would miraculously not need the
> >absorbent pads. *NOT. *I have stress incontinence, and likely just a
> >little ongoing leakage.
>
> >And evidently there was some air up in the bladder. *Now THAT is an
> >odd feeling to have coming through. *Seems they should warn you about
> >penis farts.
>
> >The best part is being able to sleep on my stomach, or any damn side I
> >please.
>
> >Dwight
>
> Hey, great - you're _only_ on pads, and not full-up diapers. *That's great.
> Coulda been like IPF, and be hosing down diapers 3 months later. *Not fun.

We'll see. I noticed a pad I had on yesterday was leaking on one
side, and my briefs were wet, and then the odor. I'll have to work
this out.

On Wed, 28 May 2008 06:04:04 -0700 (PDT), Dwight
<nodamnspamok@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Well, not sure. If I'm lying down, then stand up, there's some
>leakage. I don't think that's the same as stress incontinence. I
>think there's a slow leak going on too.

That's more or less what I remember. If you're able to hold back a
significant amount, say 60-70%, for voluntary release then I'd say
you're making a good start.

Your sphincter at the moment is likely to be twisted beyond all
recognition and can take anything between 1 week and 18 months to
re-bed itself in.

On May 28, 6:14*am, rosbif wrote:
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 06:04:04 -0700 (PDT), Dwight
>
> <nodamnspa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Well, not sure. *If I'm lying down, then stand up, there's some
> >leakage. *I don't think that's the same as stress incontinence. *I
> >think there's a slow leak going on too.
>
> That's more or less what I remember. *If you're able to hold back a
> significant amount, say 60-70%, for voluntary release then I'd say
> you're making a good start.
>
> Your sphincter at the moment is likely to be twisted beyond all
> recognition and can take anything between 1 week and 18 months to
> re-bed itself in.

I slept through the night with very little or no leakage. I'd say I'm
able to hold back more than 70%. I was doing SOME Kegels before the
operation. Though not diligently, and certainly more the closer I got
to surgery.

On Wed, 28 May 2008 06:22:08 -0700 (PDT), Dwight
<nodamnspamok@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On May 28, 6:14*am, rosbif wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 May 2008 06:04:04 -0700 (PDT), Dwight
>>
>> <nodamnspa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >Well, not sure. *If I'm lying down, then stand up, there's some
>> >leakage. *I don't think that's the same as stress incontinence. *I
>> >think there's a slow leak going on too.
>>
>> That's more or less what I remember. *If you're able to hold back a
>> significant amount, say 60-70%, for voluntary release then I'd say
>> you're making a good start.
>>
>> Your sphincter at the moment is likely to be twisted beyond all
>> recognition and can take anything between 1 week and 18 months to
>> re-bed itself in.
>
>I slept through the night with very little or no leakage. I'd say I'm
>able to hold back more than 70%. I was doing SOME Kegels before the
>operation. Though not diligently, and certainly more the closer I got
>to surgery.

If the 70% is during the day then that sounds pretty good to me. I
think night-time contiinence is normal, even for day-leakers.

I quickly gave up on the kegels because they gave me a sore rectum -
something must have been rubbing when flexing the muscles. Things
improved over time anyway.

"Dwight" <nodamnspamok@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ae989e27-7c4c-4d8e-b47f-146e621cab2d@i36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On May 28, 4:51 am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> "Dwight" <nodamnspa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f94805fc-ef30-4953-b42f-945fcabd7e24@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I was hoping against hope that I would miraculously not need the
> > absorbent pads. NOT. I have stress incontinence, and likely just a
> > little ongoing leakage.
>
> If all you have is stress incontinence so soon after, you're doing better
> than 80% of us.

Well, not sure. If I'm lying down, then stand up, there's some
leakage. I don't think that's the same as stress incontinence. I
think there's a slow leak going on too.

>>>> You're doing very well.

Dwight wrote:
> I noticed a pad I had on yesterday was leaking on one
> side, and my briefs were wet, and then the odor. I'll have to work
> this out.

That's why I use only the wider Tena pads, and STILL have occasional
lateral fallout. Nothing else is even in the hunt, IMO. I really ought
to see whether my insurance covers pads, 'cause the VA won't provide Tenas.

I.P.

Dwight wrote:

> I slept through the night with very little or no leakage. I'd say I'm
> able to hold back more than 70%.

I hate to alarm anyone, but I've been quite dry at night, and while
sitting, and while sneezing/coughing/farting/laughing since the day my
catheter came out, and even at max exertion in the gym since a few
months post-op. I'll wake up dry and take my time walking to the john
even with > a liter of pee -- a dangerous amount -- in my bladder. My
ongoing problem, from gonzo diapers to pads, is the REST of the time,
aka daily living.

I.P.

On May 28, 10:54*am, "I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddabou...@noway.nohow>
wrote:
> Dwight wrote:
> > *I noticed a pad I had on yesterday was leaking on one
> > side, and my briefs were wet, and then the odor. *I'll have to work
> > this out.
>
> That's why I use only the wider Tena pads, and STILL have occasional
> lateral fallout. Nothing else is even in the hunt, IMO. I really ought
> to see whether my insurance covers pads, 'cause the VA won't provide Tenas..
>
> I.P.

After walking back from lunch with a soggy mess in my shorts, and
hearing from my recovery nurse that I'm about a week early in trying
to go back to work, I went and bought some diapers, and came home to
work from home.

I know I should be grateful for the cancer being gone, but now's the
daily trials making me cranky.

I'm on the rag in two ways.

Dwight wrote:
>
> I'm on the rag in two ways.

My wife has said for decades that my PMS behavior trigger is lack of wind.

You know why they call it PMS, don't you?
'Cause "mad cow disease" was taken.

I.P.

On Wed, 28 May 2008 15:21:29 -0700 (PDT), Dwight <nodamnspamok@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On May 28, 10:54*am, "I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddabou...@noway.nohow>
>wrote:
>> Dwight wrote:
>> > *I noticed a pad I had on yesterday was leaking on one
>> > side, and my briefs were wet, and then the odor. *I'll have to work
>> > this out.
>>
>> That's why I use only the wider Tena pads, and STILL have occasional
>> lateral fallout. Nothing else is even in the hunt, IMO. I really ought
>> to see whether my insurance covers pads, 'cause the VA won't provide Tenas.
>>
>> I.P.
>
>After walking back from lunch with a soggy mess in my shorts, and
>hearing from my recovery nurse that I'm about a week early in trying
>to go back to work, I went and bought some diapers, and came home to
>work from home.
>
>I know I should be grateful for the cancer being gone, but now's the
>daily trials making me cranky.
>
>I'm on the rag in two ways.

Oooohhhh... sorry to hear about the diaper thing. Bummer. Hoping for better
Friday, but won't be surprised if I start using my stock. Bought a bunch thru
the internet just in case.

Hopefully you will quickly surpass the need for them, and can go to pads and
then nothing with all possible haste.

DM

"I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddaboutit@noway.nohow> wrote in message
news:BYg%j.34$bn7.4@newsfe07.lga...

> .... I'll wake up dry and take my time walking to the john even with >
> a liter of pee -- a dangerous amount -- in my bladder. ...

A _LITER_?

I admit that I'm only 5'7" and weigh 150 pounds, but that's
more than double any amount I've ever seen.

I admire your capacity.

Alan

On May 28, 7:00*pm, "Alan Meyer" <amey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddabou...@noway.nohow> wrote in message
>
> news:BYg%j.34$bn7.4@newsfe07.lga...
>
> > .... I'll wake up dry and take my time walking to the john even with >
> > a liter of pee -- a dangerous amount -- in my bladder. ...
>
> A _LITER_?
>
> I admit that I'm only 5'7" and weigh 150 pounds, but that's
> more than double any amount I've ever seen.
>
> I admire your capacity.
>
> * * Alan

It's not all piss though. Some of it is vinegar.

Alan Meyer wrote:
>
> I admit that I'm only 5'7" and weigh 150 pounds, but that's
> more than double any amount I've ever seen.
>
> I admire your capacity.

I've voided more than a measured liter all at once when cathetered; THAT
convince the damn nurse my catheter was plugged. I often void a liter or
more -- have measured up to 1.2 liters out of curiosity -- upon waking
up from a rare full night's sleep. Ticks my uro off, because it toughens
the bladder and leads to long-term problems, but I'm not setting an
alarm clock just to empty my bladder at 3:AM.

I.P. Lots

Dwight wrote:
>
> It's not all piss though. Some of it is vinegar.

Ya THINK, ya turkey?

I.P.

"I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddaboutit@noway.nohow> wrote in message
news:55n%j.1038$jz2.224@newsfe02.lga...
> Dwight wrote:
>>
>> I'm on the rag in two ways.
>
> My wife has said for decades that my PMS behavior trigger is lack of
> wind.
>
> You know why they call it PMS, don't you?
> 'Cause "mad cow disease" was taken.
>
You really, really like to live dangerously, don't you!! 8-)) Better
keep watching over your shoulder.....heh heh.

HF

On May 28, 8:07*pm, "I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddabou...@noway.nohow> wrote:
> Dwight wrote:
>
> > It's not all piss though. *Some of it is vinegar.
>
> Ya THINK, ya turkey?
>
> I.P.

If I'm a turkey, then they removed my Pope's nose. ;-)

On May 27, 9:28 pm, Dwight <nodamnspa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Removed by the most adorable nurse.
>
> I was hoping against hope that I would miraculously not need the
> absorbent pads. NOT. I have stress incontinence, and likely just a
> little ongoing leakage.
>
> And evidently there was some air up in the bladder. Now THAT is an
> odd feeling to have coming through. Seems they should warn you about
> penis farts.
>
> The best part is being able to sleep on my stomach, or any damn side I
> please.
>
> Dwight

Dwight

Good to hear you are doing well. Not advertised but useful for mild
leakage are absorbent underwear. Most drugstores have them hidden in
the back - not a money maker like disposables. The underwear has the
same absorbent action but they are washable in regular laundry - save
you cash and more comfortable, especially when active. I haven't used
them but many in our support group swear by them.
Lud

Hi Dwight,
It is good to hear that you are doing well!
I.P. mentioned the Tena pads. Many of us think they are the best. They can
be hard to track down, though. Here is a link for you in case they are not
available in your neighborhood.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GGU0CQ

God Bless,
Steve


"Dwight" <nodamnspamok@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f94805fc-ef30-4953-b42f-945fcabd7e24@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> Removed by the most adorable nurse.
>
> I was hoping against hope that I would miraculously not need the
> absorbent pads. NOT. I have stress incontinence, and likely just a
> little ongoing leakage.
>
> And evidently there was some air up in the bladder. Now THAT is an
> odd feeling to have coming through. Seems they should warn you about
> penis farts.
>
> The best part is being able to sleep on my stomach, or any damn side I
> please.
>
> Dwight

On May 29, 6:16*pm, "Steve Tew" <notme403-at-hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dwight,
> It is good to hear that you are doing well!
> I.P. mentioned the Tena pads. Many of us think they are the best. They can
> be hard to track down, though. *Here is a link for you in case they are not
> available in your neighborhood.http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GGU0CQ

Those MIGHT be available at my local Longs. I saw some Tena products,
but would have to look closely.

Yesterday I latched onto wearing a diaper with a pad inside, then
changing the pads. This seems to be working. I'll do that until I
use up what supply I have, unless I run into some other problem.

On Tue, 27 May 2008 18:28:34 -0700 (PDT), Dwight <nodamnspamok@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Removed by the most adorable nurse.
>
>I was hoping against hope that I would miraculously not need the
>absorbent pads. NOT. I have stress incontinence, and likely just a
>little ongoing leakage.
>
>And evidently there was some air up in the bladder. Now THAT is an
>odd feeling to have coming through. Seems they should warn you about
>penis farts.
>
>The best part is being able to sleep on my stomach, or any damn side I
>please.
>
>Dwight

My catheter removed about 5 1/2 hours ago after RALRP a week ago last Tueday.
Did not hurt per se, but catheter felt hot on the way out. Yeah, I guess there
was a small, very small amount of "pain." But, things going well.

I am able to rise from a sitting position without even kegeling and remain dry,
at least with a partially filled bladder.

I can't "check for gas" and not squirt. That is, I can't attempt to let a
buster if it doesn't exist, but if one comes along on its own, I can pass it
and not leak.

Some pain ramains around the anus when shifting weight, sitting directly on the
area, checking for gas when it isn't there, initiating a BM, etc. Not much,
except at the initiation of the BM, but it is there. Needs more healing.
Confident it will subside.

Attempting to go #2 has some significant pain associated with it initially,
then that goes away and BM happens. Thank God for stool softeners - need to
find the long-term risks of taking them, 'cuz I want 'em for a good long time.
I want to be completely healed before risking a really hard one.

Not much more I can elaborate on with respect to my condition - too soon. But
will wear my big fluffy diaper for a few days and manually check to see if I am
squirting or dribbling at various times, assuming I can't detect every one of
them. Don't think I'm likely to be hosing down pads too often, but we'll see.

I guess if you're going to get a major life-threatening sickness, this seems to
me to be the one to get. Everything that has been variable about it, other
than getting it in the 1st place, has been in my favor. Pathology on the
little critter was T2C after it was removed and disected - there was some
involvement of the urethra within the prostate very close to the "front" of the
gland, but my surgeon said he knew about the cancer in this area and took a
little more of the urethra with the gland than normal. Cancer was 100%
contained in the gland. He said he'd be very surprised if recurrence was
caused from urethra. The incontinece issue seems to be going in my favor, and
a couple days ago I got a strange feeling and believe that the little cigar was
attempting to stand up on its own - hard to tell for sure with the catheter in
there, but it _felt_ a little harder than normal. If so, woohoo!

DM

Dwight wrote:
> On May 29, 6:16 pm, "Steve Tew" <notme403-at-hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Dwight,
>> It is good to hear that you are doing well!
>> I.P. mentioned the Tena pads. Many of us think they are the best. They can
>> be hard to track down, though. Here is a link for you in case they are not
>> available in your neighborhood.http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GGU0CQ
>
> Those MIGHT be available at my local Longs. I saw some Tena products,
> but would have to look closely.

Walmart.

> Yesterday I latched onto wearing a diaper with a pad inside, then
> changing the pads. This seems to be working.

There are booster pads made for that purpose. When they fill up, the
excess seeps though into the diaper in a controlled manner.

I.P.

Danger Mouse wrote:
> Thank God for stool softeners - need to
> find the long-term risks of taking them, 'cuz I want 'em for a good long time.
> I want to be completely healed before risking a really hard one.

Sufficient fiber of both kinds plus adequate hydration will promote
ideal BMs, which should be pleasant, completely effortless, completely
relaxed, very brief (a few seconds), clean (no TP required) experiences,
and simply an act of gravity. If mine aren't, I change something. It's a
matter of health, convenience, and comfort.

I.P.

On Fri, 30 May 2008 18:01:20 -0700, "I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddaboutit@noway.nohow>
wrote:

>Danger Mouse wrote:
>> Thank God for stool softeners - need to
>> find the long-term risks of taking them, 'cuz I want 'em for a good long time.
>> I want to be completely healed before risking a really hard one.
>
>Sufficient fiber of both kinds plus adequate hydration

Dehydration is sneaky, tho, unless you seriously stay on top of it. I look
down sometimes, and my pee is like orange juice, and it comes as a complete
surprise.

Roger on the fiber - I have to force myself, tho... mostly don't enjoy the
foods it comes in.

DM

> will promote
>ideal BMs, which should be pleasant, completely effortless, completely
>relaxed, very brief (a few seconds), clean (no TP required) experiences,
>and simply an act of gravity. If mine aren't, I change something. It's a
>matter of health, convenience, and comfort.
>
>I.P.

Danger Mouse wrote:
>
> Roger on the fiber - I have to force myself, tho... mostly don't enjoy the
> foods it comes in.

To me, high-fiber foods are like candy. Baked beans, whole grain breads/
pasta/ pancakes/ cereal, sweet potatoes, fruit in any form, oatmeal,
bran muffins, most vegetables ... I eat 60-80 grams a day just because
they come in many of my favorite foods. About the only thing I eat that
doesn't have fiber is meat, and that's the smallest component of my diet.

I.P.

"Danger Mouse" <danger_mouse@att.net> wrote in message
news:fd1144912t8ltup9lq2v0v6v8a6616a3tp@4ax.com...

> Pathology on the
> little critter was T2C after it was removed and disected

I suppose you know, based on your calm narrative, that this is perfectly
normal for a post-op biopsy versus the pre-op biopsy results you received.

> - there was some
> involvement of the urethra within the prostate very close to the "front"
> of the
> gland, but my surgeon said he knew about the cancer in this area and took
> a
> little more of the urethra with the gland than normal. Cancer was 100%
> contained in the gland. He said he'd be very surprised if recurrence was
> caused from urethra. The incontinece issue seems to be going in my favor,
> and
> a couple days ago I got a strange feeling and believe that the little
> cigar was
> attempting to stand up on its own - hard to tell for sure with the
> catheter in
> there, but it _felt_ a little harder than normal.

Sounds great, DM. BTW, I don't think you ever gave us your PSA and
Gleason.....


--
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04, <0.05, <0.04, <0.04, <0.1 2/12/08
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

On Sat, 31 May 2008 07:23:50 -0400, "Steve Kramer" <skramer@cinci.rr.com>
wrote:

>"Danger Mouse" <danger_mouse@att.net> wrote in message
>news:fd1144912t8ltup9lq2v0v6v8a6616a3tp@4ax.com.. .
>
>> Pathology on the
>> little critter was T2C after it was removed and disected
>
>I suppose you know, based on your calm narrative, that this is perfectly
>normal for a post-op biopsy versus the pre-op biopsy results you received.
>
>> - there was some
>> involvement of the urethra within the prostate very close to the "front"
>> of the
>> gland, but my surgeon said he knew about the cancer in this area and took
>> a
>> little more of the urethra with the gland than normal. Cancer was 100%
>> contained in the gland. He said he'd be very surprised if recurrence was
>> caused from urethra. The incontinece issue seems to be going in my favor,
>> and
>> a couple days ago I got a strange feeling and believe that the little
>> cigar was
>> attempting to stand up on its own - hard to tell for sure with the
>> catheter in
>> there, but it _felt_ a little harder than normal.
>
>Sounds great, DM. BTW, I don't think you ever gave us your PSA and
>Gleason.....

PSA that set this all off was 5.0 in a blood test taken for my cholesterol
monitoring. The gleason at biopsy was 2 different spots of cancer, 3+3 on the
small on for a 6, and 3+4 on the big one for a 7. However, the pathologists
that dissected the thing after the fact only reported a 3+3 for a 6. Feel even
better about that!

DM

"Danger Mouse" <danger_mouse@att.net> wrote in message
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> The gleason at biopsy was 2 different spots of cancer, 3+3 on the
> small on for a 6, and 3+4 on the big one for a 7. However, the
> pathologists
> that dissected the thing after the fact only reported a 3+3 for a 6. Feel
> even
> better about that!

Now THAT is unusual. It's common for a 6 to become a 7 because the needle
biopsy cannot possibly be all the cancer you have and a 4 will rear it's
ugly head when the lab reported nothing but 3s. But, for a 4 to be reduced
to 3; well that's just good luck.

--
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04, <0.05, <0.04, <0.04, <0.1 2/12/08
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:20:45 -0400, "Steve Kramer" <skramer@cinci.rr.com> wrote:

>"Danger Mouse" <danger_mouse@att.net> wrote in message
>news:f6f244904vo99q1jc0sdv78ibj1fc6lpme@4ax.com.. .
>
>
>
>> The gleason at biopsy was 2 different spots of cancer, 3+3 on the
>> small on for a 6, and 3+4 on the big one for a 7. However, the
>> pathologists
>> that dissected the thing after the fact only reported a 3+3 for a 6. Feel
>> even
>> better about that!
>
>Now THAT is unusual. It's common for a 6 to become a 7 because the needle
>biopsy cannot possibly be all the cancer you have and a 4 will rear it's
>ugly head when the lab reported nothing but 3s. But, for a 4 to be reduced
>to 3; well that's just good luck.

Things have been going fantastically in all respects, not the least important
of which is that I am not incontinent upon catheter removal - no kegels
required, either.

DM

On Jun 2, 12:34*pm, Danger Mouse <danger_mo...@att.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:20:45 -0400, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> >"Danger Mouse" <danger_mo...@att.net> wrote in message
> >news:f6f244904vo99q1jc0sdv78ibj1fc6lpme@4ax.com.. .
>
> >> The gleason at biopsy was 2 different spots of cancer, 3+3 on the
> >> small on for a 6, and 3+4 on the big one for a 7. *However, the
> >> pathologists
> >> that dissected the thing after the fact only reported a 3+3 for a 6. *Feel
> >> even
> >> better about that!
>
> >Now THAT is unusual. *It's common for a 6 to become a 7 because the needle
> >biopsy cannot possibly be all the cancer you have and a 4 will rear it's
> >ugly head when the lab reported nothing but 3s. *But, for a 4 to be reduced
> >to 3; well that's just good luck.
>
> Things have been going fantastically in all respects, not the least important
> of which is that I am not incontinent upon catheter removal - no kegels
> required, either.
>
> DM- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Man, am I jealous.

Even though I seem to be doing better than the norm, this certainly is
a constant reminder/irritant.

My recovery nurse is telling me NOT to do kegels while urinating.
Anyone know a reason for that?

"Dwight" <nodamnspamok@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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My recovery nurse is telling me NOT to do kegels while urinating.
Anyone know a reason for that?

===> My uro didn't/doesn't want me to do that method either. He said to do
it once to find out which muscles to squeeze, but not to do it continually.

My wife had a problem with urination and he ended up doing 'physical
therapy' with her to help her. It's his opinion that the best way to pee is
to relax the kegels and to let it flow out. If you force it, he says,
something will toughen up (I'm not sure what), due to pressure and you'll
eventually cause yourself to be unable to pee normally -- and then after a
further while, at all.

Apparently, strenthening your kegels while urinating causes the same sort of
pressure.

Yet, some guys here have had their uros to do exactly that. I don't get it.

Dr. Reed Shank graduated from the University of Cincinnati in 1984, and
received his surgical and urology training at the University of Cincinnati.
He has been certified by the American Board of Urology. He is also a member
of American Urological Association, the American Medical Association, the
Ohio State Medical Association, and the Cincinnati Academy of Medicine and
has special interest in urinary incontinence and female urology. I believe
he is still the department of the Urology at Christ Hospital; one of
Cincinnati's "Big 3".


--
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04, <0.05, <0.04, <0.04, <0.1 2/12/08
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:12:33 -0700 (PDT), Dwight <nodamnspamok@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Jun 2, 12:34*pm, Danger Mouse <danger_mo...@att.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:20:45 -0400, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>> >"Danger Mouse" <danger_mo...@att.net> wrote in message
>> >news:f6f244904vo99q1jc0sdv78ibj1fc6lpme@4ax.com.. .
>>
>> >> The gleason at biopsy was 2 different spots of cancer, 3+3 on the
>> >> small on for a 6, and 3+4 on the big one for a 7. *However, the
>> >> pathologists
>> >> that dissected the thing after the fact only reported a 3+3 for a 6. *Feel
>> >> even
>> >> better about that!
>>
>> >Now THAT is unusual. *It's common for a 6 to become a 7 because the needle
>> >biopsy cannot possibly be all the cancer you have and a 4 will rear it's
>> >ugly head when the lab reported nothing but 3s. *But, for a 4 to be reduced
>> >to 3; well that's just good luck.
>>
>> Things have been going fantastically in all respects, not the least important
>> of which is that I am not incontinent upon catheter removal - no kegels
>> required, either.
>>
>> DM- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Man, am I jealous.

I'm just ecstatic. I may have an opportunity to go back to Iraq near the end
of the year, a trip that would enable me to retire early (and maybe keep some
troops from getting killed, although if I don't go, someone else will, so the
troops will be taken care of - I'd just like to do it.) Trying it while
needing diapers or pads, (and living with the Marines, no less) would be a bit
beyond my mental fortitude, I think. And, they don't sell stuff like that in
the PX! <G>

>Even though I seem to be doing better than the norm, this certainly is
>a constant reminder/irritant.

Hope you get over this hump soon.

>My recovery nurse is telling me NOT to do kegels while urinating.
>Anyone know a reason for that?

Never heard that one before. Heard not to try it with the catheter in, but
nothing else. Maybe putting that sort of stress on an area that has been
stitched recently might be a factor, dunno.

"Danger Mouse" <danger_mouse@att.net> wrote in message
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> I'm just ecstatic. I may have an opportunity to go back to Iraq near the
> end
> of the year,

I didn't bite on this the last time, but my curiosity overwhelms me. What
do you do in Iraq?

And, whatever it is, thank you.

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 18:32:41 -0400, "Steve Kramer" <skramer@cinci.rr.com> wrote:

>"Danger Mouse" <danger_mouse@att.net> wrote in message
>news:1rr8445gorfvausku261bugkofsf8anje1@4ax.com.. .
>
>> I'm just ecstatic. I may have an opportunity to go back to Iraq near the
>> end
>> of the year,
>
>I didn't bite on this the last time, but my curiosity overwhelms me. What
>do you do in Iraq?

The last time, I worked counter-IED with Task Force Troy at Camp Victory,
Baghdad. I wrote requirements for anti-IED devices as a civilian science and
tech advisor.

Next time, if I get the job, I might write C++ code and do some networking for
(I think) anti-IED devices in Iraq. Sounds like some opportunity for travel
within the country, maybe see some countryside this time. I was totally
"inside the wire" the last time - safe(r), but not particularly photogenic,
except for Al Faw Palace, which is beautiful.

>And, whatever it is, thank you.

You and the country are welcome, although I don't put myself in the same league
with the soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines that take the greater risk for
waaaaaaayyyyy less pay, with the possibility of losing maybe 50 - 60 more years
of useful life, while I, at 60 years old, would probably, on average, lose only
18 more. Those people are awesome.

As an aside, something that shocked me while I was there - EVERYONE, all the
military people, and all the contractors or DOD civilian employee volunteers
(like me) were the NICEST people you'd ever want to meet. Now, _MOST_ people
are that way, but this was EVERYBODY. I was shocked - that's not the service
experience I had when I was in the AF during the Vietnam War era. These are
very special human beings.

"Danger Mouse" <danger_mouse@att.net> wrote in message
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> I was in the AF during the Vietnam War era.

And thank you for your service there as well.