Farrah Fawcett

What kinda cancer did she have ? Howie

"H. Sharrott" <hopehowie@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> What kinda cancer did she have ? Howie
>

The paper this morning said "a rare form of anal cancer."
--
JerryW

Please respond to group; email address is not valid

2/11/04 PSA 2.6, Suspicious DRE (age 62)
2/23/04 Biopsy: Gleason 3+4=7, T2a, left lobe
5/18/04 RRP, Path: Gleason 4+3=7, T2c, both lobes
Fully continent by 9/04
PSA through 4/22/08: <0.1
PSA 10/22/08: 0.1
PSA 1/19/09: 0.2
PSA 3/31/09: 0.2
SRT (39 txs) begun 4/9/09

Started as colon cancer and ended up in several organs.

--

"H. Sharrott" <hopehowie@webtv.net> wrote in message
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: What kinda cancer did she have ? Howie
:

"JerryW" <jerryw@seemysig.net> wrote in message
news:h22jff$3u0$1@news.eternal-september.org...
:
: "H. Sharrott" <hopehowie@webtv.net> wrote in message
: news:28077-4A44CB77-1833@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net...
: > What kinda cancer did she have ? Howie
: >
:
: The paper this morning said "a rare form of anal cancer."
: --
: JerryW
:
:

That's right, anal cancer. Disregard my last response.

H. Sharrott wrote:
> What kinda cancer did she have ? Howie

Why do you like to know? Why do you ask this in a support group for Prostate
cancer?

Short sighted.

Frans,

Why do you care that Howie, a venerable member of this club since 2004,
wants to know? Isn't curiosity sufficient for you?

--

"Frans" <im@fromholland.invalid> wrote in message
news:81433$4a44fac3$5ed1a2eb$3084@cache100.multika bel.net...
: H. Sharrott wrote:
: > What kinda cancer did she have ? Howie
:
: Why do you like to know? Why do you ask this in a support group for
Prostate
: cancer?
:
: Short sighted.
..
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA undetectable since; last checked on 06/04/09
Illegitimati non carborundum
I can handle the cancer, but I'm starting to seethe with the assholes.

Steve Kramer wrote:
> Frans,
>
> Why do you care that Howie, a venerable member of this club since
> 2004, wants to know? Isn't curiosity sufficient for you?
>
>

Why don't Americans use their prains before they demonstrate stupidity?

prains ?

Frans wrote:
> Steve Kramer wrote:
>> Frans,
>>
>> Why do you care that Howie, a venerable member of this club since
>> 2004, wants to know? Isn't curiosity sufficient for you?
>>
>>
>
> Why don't Americans use their prains before they demonstrate stupidity?
>
>
Frans, please avoid generalizations. While Kramer appears to be the
prototype of "the ugly American" (i.e. 358 lbs, IQ < 80, self-centered,
uneducated, liabilities > 3 * assets), most Americans are actually very
nice. More to the point, they have great medical schools, though Kramer
has never heard of most of them as he recently pointed out.

Thanks Frans...I was just curious..I liked Farrah Fawcett and since this
is a "Cancer" group thought some one nice (Like you) would
reply...Howie (May leave the group)

Farrah was a good actress and this being a cancer group I thought maybe
someone knew..Guess I will not post here any more..even if I am a PCA
surviver..Is there another group where I could ask about other cancers ?
Thanks, Howie

H. Sharrott wrote:
> Thanks Frans...I was just curious..I liked Farrah Fawcett and since
> this is a "Cancer" group thought some one nice (Like you) would
> reply...Howie (May leave the group)

No, its a support group for prostate cancer.
That's the difference

If you enter the name in Google, with the word cancer, you'll get a thousand
hits.

"Frans" <im@fromholland.invalid> wrote in message
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: Steve Kramer wrote:
: > Frans,
: >
: > Why do you care that Howie, a venerable member of this club since
: > 2004, wants to know? Isn't curiosity sufficient for you?
: >
: >
:
: Why don't Americans use their prains before they demonstrate stupidity?
:
:

And what is a "prain", genius?

Don't leave us Howie. Frans is a very recent addition and he won't be here
long.

--
"H. Sharrott" <hopehowie@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:28077-4A45193A-2048@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net...
: Farrah was a good actress and this being a cancer group I thought maybe
: someone knew..Guess I will not post here any more..even if I am a PCA
: surviver..Is there another group where I could ask about other cancers ?
: Thanks, Howie
:

safire wrote:
> Frans wrote:
>> Steve Kramer wrote:
>>> Frans,
>>>
>>> Why do you care that Howie, a venerable member of this club since
>>> 2004, wants to know? Isn't curiosity sufficient for you?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Why don't Americans use their prains before they demonstrate stupidity?
>>
> Frans, please avoid generalizations. While Kramer appears to be the
> prototype of "the ugly American" (i.e. 358 lbs, IQ < 80, self-centered,
> uneducated, liabilities > 3 * assets), most Americans are actually very
> nice. More to the point, they have great medical schools, though Kramer
> has never heard of most of them as he recently pointed out.

Well safire, I was just thinking that I had read a number of posts
from you where you hadn't actually insulted anyone. I thought,
"Safire is a reformed man". And now you've spoiled it all.

But it's not too late to climb out of the hole. Think about
how fine it would be to join that group of "most Americans [who]
are actually very nice".

Alan

Steve Kramer wrote:

> Don't leave us Howie. Frans is a very recent addition and he won't be here
> long.

Frans (Douwe) has been around these parts and alt.support.cancer since 2005.
I thought you were keeping track of patients?

Here's his first post (below). I think we should be celebrating his survival.
J

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Life time expectancy
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:49:09 +0200
From: "Douwe" <munged>
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer.prostate

Hi,
With a PMS of 475 I was diagnosed with prostate cancer, last February.
Tests and scans indicated it went to my skelet, and through my backspine
and pelvis, bladder, stomach and lungues. No more hope. All the
treatment I have is a Zoladex injection every three months. The next one
on August 15.
All we like to know know is the life time expectancy.
I know, nobody can tell. But maybe, maybe there are readers here with
some friend of a friend, who... Where is it going to hurt (this moment
only a minor pain in both hips and knees, while walking down the 7
stairs of this apartment) most, what can we (and I) expect.

Who dares?

Douwe

"H. Sharrott" <hopehowie@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:28077-4A45193A-2048@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net...
> Farrah was a good actress and this being a cancer group I thought
> maybe
> someone knew..Guess I will not post here any more..even if I am a PCA
> surviver..Is there another group where I could ask about other cancers
> ?
> Thanks, Howie
>

Howie,

No need to go away. Frans doesn't represent everyone in this group. I
answered your question within 25 minutes of your posting, and I didn't
try to insult you in the process. You've been around here, off and on,
for a long time. Surely you've seem some of the "vitriol" that sometimes
comes our way. And, by the way, your question was much closeer to
"topic" than a lot of the postings we see here.
--
JerryW

Please respond to group; email address is not valid

2/11/04 PSA 2.6, Suspicious DRE (age 62)
2/23/04 Biopsy: Gleason 3+4=7, T2a, left lobe
5/18/04 RRP, Path: Gleason 4+3=7, T2c, both lobes
Fully continent by 9/04
PSA through 4/22/08: <0.1
PSA 10/22/08: 0.1
PSA 1/19/09: 0.2
PSA 3/31/09: 0.2
SRT (39 txs) begun 4/9/09

On Jun 26, 1:58*pm, J <xyewsnswex@nalid;"no> wrote:
> Steve Kramer wrote:
> > Don't leave us Howie. *Frans is a very recent addition and he won't be here
> > long.



The tv news said farrah had colon cancer. She travelled to Germany
for treatment. She was ultimately pronounced cancer free. Then it
came back in the rectum. I wonder if surgery caused it to spread.
I'm a veterinarian. Recently I removed the anal glands in a dog. One
gland had a nodule inside. I sent it for biopsy. The result was
cancer but contained within the gland. The client brought the dog in
today for suture removal. There's now a golf-ball sized tumor where
the anal gland used to be. People in this group warn about prostate
biopsies speading cancer. Perhaps she had multiple biopsies before
the tumors were removed.

"J" <xyewsnswex@nalid;"no> wrote in message
news:4A452872.E6D65A42@execulink.com...
: Steve Kramer wrote:
:
: > Don't leave us Howie. Frans is a very recent addition and he won't be
here
: > long.
:
: Frans (Douwe) has been around these parts and alt.support.cancer since
2005.
: I thought you were keeping track of patients?
:

Thanks, J. I do try to keep track of all 900+ that I have seen in and out,
but changing addressed, names, PSAs, and personalities make that difficult.
I did not know that Frans was Douwe_in_nl@Yahoo.com.

May I assume he got immediate support back in 2005 -- including from some
Americans?


--
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA undetectable since; last checked on 06/04/09
Illegitimati non carborundum

"Steve Kramer" <skramer@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
news:h23bej$evp$2@news.eternal-september.org...

: I did not know that Frans was Douwe_in_nl@Yahoo.com.
:
: May I assume he got immediate support back in 2005 -- including from some
: Americans?

Nevermind. I found the answer. He posted at 10:49 a.m. and got support
from Len (Indiana, USA) in 12 minutes. Within 2 hours, David S (North
Carolina, USA) assisted. Then Ron (Colorado, USA). Then Curtis P (Indiana,
USA). Then Jimhoney (Maryland, USA). Then Len and Curtis again. Then Jim,
may he rest in peace (Pennsylvania, USA).

And several more Americans.

I will stay...Cancer free for 4 years now... thanks, Howie

On June 26, Howie wrote:

> Thanks Frans...I was just curious..I liked Farrah Fawcett and since this
> is a "Cancer" group thought some one nice (Like you) would
> reply...Howie (May leave the group)

I don't usually respond directly to someone on an open forum as if it's
private correspondence.

But:

Howie, sometimes the flamers (flaming assholes) on this group do try
one's patience, but if one permits them to drive one away, they have won.

If you do decide to move on, please contact me offline for information
on sites where the members are decent, caring, and very well-informed.
And will not masturbate their little egos by sneering at others.

Regards,

Steve J

"I have been a stranger in a strange land."
--Exodus 2: 22

Hey Frans,
Many people get all types of cancers.....
Cancer can be discussed
I was in a Cancer Resource Center "Help" group for men and women with
cancer.........
They had breast cancer, blood cancer, brain cancer, and I had prostate
cancer. It was quite a learning curve to hear their similiar stories and
discuss the similiar treatments.....
Yes, I lost some wonderful friends too.
I do not think it is a bad thing to ask about cancer questions of other
types of cancers on a Prostate Specific Cancer Group.
Especially when they invlove those who one or many may have liked or
remembered as movie stars or sports or whomever.....folks.....
JohnL
"Frans" <im@fromholland.invalid> wrote in message
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> H. Sharrott wrote:
>> Thanks Frans...I was just curious..I liked Farrah Fawcett and since
>> this is a "Cancer" group thought some one nice (Like you) would
>> reply...Howie (May leave the group)
>
> No, its a support group for prostate cancer.
> That's the difference
>
> If you enter the name in Google, with the word cancer, you'll get a
> thousand hits.
>
>

kaypeeoh wrote:
> ...
> The tv news said farrah had colon cancer. She travelled to
> Germany for treatment. She was ultimately pronounced cancer
> free. Then it came back in the rectum. I wonder if surgery
> caused it to spread. I'm a veterinarian. Recently I removed
> the anal glands in a dog. One gland had a nodule inside. I
> sent it for biopsy. The result was cancer but contained within
> the gland. The client brought the dog in today for suture
> removal. There's now a golf-ball sized tumor where the anal
> gland used to be. People in this group warn about prostate
> biopsies speading cancer. Perhaps she had multiple biopsies
> before the tumors were removed.

There have been studies of "needle tracking" in prostate biopsies
which have shown that there is some evidence for it, but the
percentages of patients who experience it are very small, and it
is not clear if even a single one of hundreds of prostates that
were studied had any needle tracking of tumor cells that extended
outside the prostate.

I suppose that it is possible that the surgery you performed
caused the cancer to spread. However we know that cancer spreads
even without surgery. I doubt if there's any way to determine
the cause of the dog's new tumor.

Alan

Howie, if you're getting something you DO want from this group, I
suggest you take that to the bank and just throw the crap (and/or
crappers) down the drain. You can ignore their crap, or
block/PLONK/killfile it altogether so you never have to see it at all.
It's up to each of us to determine how much crap we're willing to see to
make sure we miss little of importance. Some of the people I've PLONKed
are 99% vitriol, so I'm missing nothing of use there; they were easy
choices. Some of my PLONKees are only 50% vitriol, so it took me longer
to decide their valid points were not worth seeing their crap.

And, of course, "crap" is in the eye of the beholder. Would you believe
that some people have actually PLONKed *ME*? Oh, the sheer horror of it!

But it should be YOU, and I, and each one of us -- not the crappers,
however we define them -- who determines whether we stay or go.

I.P.

Steve Kramer wrote:
> "Frans" <im@fromholland.invalid> wrote in message
> news:3a3b2$4a4512c8$5ed1a2eb$22115@cache100.multik abel.net...
>> Steve Kramer wrote:
>>> Frans,
>>>
>>> Why do you care that Howie, a venerable member of this club since
>>> 2004, wants to know? Isn't curiosity sufficient for you?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Why don't Americans use their prains before they demonstrate
>> stupidity?
>>
>>
>
> And what is a "prain", genius?

Oh, I'm so sorry I made a typing error. Please forgive me.
Oh, trauriges machte ich einen Tippfehler. Verzeihen mir bitte.
Il regrette me cela m'un typefout a fait. Pardonner-moi.
But I did not ask a stupid question in the wrong usenet group.

jloomis wrote:

> "Frans" <im@fromholland.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4f002$4a451e05$5ed1a2eb$30276@cache120.multik abel.net...
>> H. Sharrott wrote:
>>> Thanks Frans...I was just curious..I liked Farrah Fawcett and since
>>> this is a "Cancer" group thought some one nice (Like you) would
>>> reply...Howie (May leave the group)
>>
>> No, its a support group for prostate cancer.
>> That's the difference
>>
>> If you enter the name in Google, with the word cancer, you'll get a
>> thousand hits.

> Hey Frans,
> Many people get all types of cancers.....
> Cancer can be discussed


And you didn't learn about usenet support groups and the many groups about
the many types of cancer? Wake up man, use a group where it is etup for. And
respect the 'support' part.

Steve Kramer wrote:
> "Steve Kramer" <skramer@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:h23bej$evp$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> I did not know that Frans was Douwe_in_nl@Yahoo.com.
>>
>> May I assume he got immediate support back in 2005 -- including from
>> some Americans?
>
> Nevermind. I found the answer. He posted at 10:49 a.m. and got
> support from Len (Indiana, USA) in 12 minutes. Within 2 hours, David
> S (North Carolina, USA) assisted. Then Ron (Colorado, USA). Then
> Curtis P (Indiana, USA). Then Jimhoney (Maryland, USA). Then Len
> and Curtis again. Then Jim, may he rest in peace (Pennsylvania, USA).
>
> And several more Americans.

Yesssss, that's whay this is called a support group.
If I'd had questions about obesitas, I would ask another group.

anyone engaged in snipe and counter-snipe needs to chill out. It
remains a sad fact that the most developed threads in this ng - by a
very wide margin - are those where folk are being spiteful to one
another. That does no more or less than suffocate our potential for
mutual help.

How about a little more flexibility all round?

kaypeeoh wrote:

> The tv news said farrah had colon cancer. She travelled to Germany
> for treatment. She was ultimately pronounced cancer free. Then it
> came back in the rectum. I wonder if surgery caused it to spread.
> I'm a veterinarian. Recently I removed the anal glands in a dog. One
> gland had a nodule inside. I sent it for biopsy. The result was
> cancer but contained within the gland. The client brought the dog in
> today for suture removal. There's now a golf-ball sized tumor where
> the anal gland used to be. People in this group warn about prostate
> biopsies speading cancer. Perhaps she had multiple biopsies before
> the tumors were removed.

They've always said anal cancer; Sounds like you're describing Adenocarcinomas
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/co..._cancer_47.asp
Adenocarcinomas: A small number of anal cancers are known as adenocarcinomas, which
develop in glands located under the anal mucosa that release their secretions into
the anal canal. They can also start in apocrine glands (a type of sweat gland of
the perianal skin). Most often they arise from the rectum and are treated as rectal
carcinomas. "
(that article talks about other types and warts that can become cancerous)

Sounds like she did everthing possible to avoid a colostomy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farrah_Fawcett

What happens please to an animal if their anal glands are removed?
Do they defecate normally? I suppose anesthetic is required?
Thanks for any insight.
J

"Frans" <im@fromholland.invalid> wrote in message
news:b2e21$4a45b6e2$5ed1a2eb$13385@cache100.multik abel.net...

: > And what is a "prain", genius?
:
: Oh, I'm so sorry I made a typing error. Please forgive me.
: Oh, trauriges machte ich einen Tippfehler. Verzeihen mir bitte.
: Il regrette me cela m'un typefout a fait. Pardonner-moi.

Okay, just don't let it happen again.

<rosbif> wrote in message news:77hb459vf5ldtg8d63qcnqisekg9t34453@4ax.com...
: anyone engaged in snipe and counter-snipe needs to chill out. It
: remains a sad fact that the most developed threads in this ng - by a
: very wide margin - are those where folk are being spiteful to one
: another. That does no more or less than suffocate our potential for
: mutual help.

I just deleted my last countersnipe with exactly the same thought in mind.
Thanks for bringing it to the floor.

Ugly American par excellence Steve Kramer wrote:
> "Frans" <im@fromholland.invalid> wrote in message
> news:b2e21$4a45b6e2$5ed1a2eb$13385@cache100.multik abel.net...
>
> : > And what is a "prain", genius?
> :
> : Oh, I'm so sorry I made a typing error. Please forgive me.
> : Oh, trauriges machte ich einen Tippfehler. Verzeihen mir bitte.
> : Il regrette me cela m'un typefout a fait. Pardonner-moi.
>
> Okay, just don't let it happen again.
>
>


Another trait of the ugly american: arrogance. Kramer has never been to
a foreign country except Vietnam. He killed innocent people there but
now, arrogantly, claims the same honours as the soldiers that landed in
Normandy. The coward doesn't know any other language than the Cleveland
dialect of american English. He makes a big fuss about a small typo made
by someone writing in a language that isn't his own native language, for
the benefit of other group members. 358 pounds, 161 kilograms of
arrogance. Not enough character to end his fat addiction, but what a big
mouth...

On Jun 27, 4:31*am, J <xyewsnswex@nalid;"no> wrote:
> kaypeeoh wrote:
> > The tv news said farrah had colon cancer. *She travelled to Germany
> > for treatment. *She was ultimately pronounced cancer free. *Then it
> > came back in the rectum. *I wonder if surgery caused it to spread.
> > I'm a veterinarian. *Recently I removed the anal glands in a dog. *One
> > gland had a nodule inside. *I sent it for biopsy. *The result was
> > cancer but contained within the gland. *The client brought the dog in
> > today for suture removal. * There's now a golf-ball sized tumor where
> > the anal gland used to be. *People in this group warn about prostate
> > biopsies speading cancer. * Perhaps she had multiple biopsies before
> > the tumors were removed.
>
> They've always said anal cancer; * Sounds like you're describing Adenocarcinomashttp://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_4_1X_What_is_anal_can...
> Adenocarcinomas: A small number of anal cancers are known as adenocarcinomas, which
> develop in glands located under the anal mucosa that release their secretions into
> the anal canal. They can also start in apocrine glands (a type of sweat gland of
> the perianal skin). Most often they arise from the rectum and are treatedas rectal
> carcinomas. "
> (that article talks about other types and warts that can become cancerous)
>
> Sounds like she did everthing possible to avoid a colostomy.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farrah_Fawcett
>
> What happens please to an animal if their anal glands are removed?
> Do they defecate normally? *I suppose anesthetic is required?
> Thanks for any insight.
> J

The anal glands are within the anal sphincter. With every bowel
movement the pressure of the stool passing through causes some of the
gland secretion to be released. After years scar tissue can develop
in the duct and the gland can't empty naturally. Or the dog develops
recurring gland infections. Removing the glands is a common vet
procedure. It requires anestheria of course. The skin is incised,
the glands are dissected free of the anus, the duct is tied off and
the skin is sutured. Some surgeons can remove both glands without
problem. I did that once and the dog ended up crapping on the couch
for a week, til the nerves regenerated. And I ended up in court
fighting the client's suit over a new couch. Now I remove one gland
then the other three weeks later. Since this one case, I'm warning
clients and have found many are willing to have the glands removed
phrophylactically. ($Ka-ching!$) This case, I found the nodule in
one gland and told the owner to "wait and see". Sound familiar? A
week later they were back and by then the nodule had grown from 3mm
diameter to 3cm diameter. If I'd taken it out at 3mm....

kevin

On Jun 26, 1:17*pm, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> "Frans" <i...@fromholland.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:3a3b2$4a4512c8$5ed1a2eb$22115@cache100.multik abel.net...: Steve Kramer wrote:
>
> : > Frans,
> : >
> : > Why do you care that Howie, a venerable member of this club since
> : > 2004, wants to know? *Isn't curiosity sufficient for *you?
> : >
> : >
> :
> : Why don't Americans use their prains before they demonstrate stupidity?
> :
> :
>
> And what is a "prain", genius?

So can I assume the guy realized it was a brain-fart typing mistake
and was making a joke, or is he one of those guys that has to respond
to every language error? Years ago I was like that, responding
whenever I saw 'irregardless' when the poster meant irrespective' or
'allot' when he meant 'a lot'. Luckily I learned to stop doing that
before getting a punch in the nose. Catching mistakes doesn't make me
smarter than the other guy. Maybe ignoring them does. :-)

kevin

Definition of prains: large, intelligent shrimp.

Now can we get past that?

I.P.

"kaypeeoh" <kevinoneall@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4af4499c-1199-4a22-8940-6cdde1c8cf94@e21g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

> : Why don't Americans use their prains before they demonstrate stupidity?
> :
> And what is a "prain", genius?

So can I assume the guy realized it was a brain-fart typing mistake
and was making a joke, or is he one of those guys that has to respond
to every language error?

==> No, Kevin, I generally do not reply to language errors - I make too
many myself. I might, for the humor of it, respond to a Freudian Slip or
some other humorous turnabout with a misspelled word, but not to insult a
man's linguistic or typing skills.

The joke here - and it's not as funny when it has to be explained - was that
he insulted the intelligence of Americans and then misspelled "brains". I
had three choices; no response, respond directly to the bigotry of the
statement, or make a joke of it. I chose the latter and considering the
maturity of the insulter, probably should have chosen the former.

Steve Kramer wrote:

> ==> No, Kevin, I generally do not reply to language errors - I make too
> many myself. I might, for the humor of it, respond to a Freudian Slip or
> some other humorous turnabout with a misspelled word, but not to insult a
> man's linguistic or typing skills.
>
> The joke here - and it's not as funny when it has to be explained - was that
> he insulted the intelligence of Americans and then misspelled "brains".

It wasn't a joke at all.



> I
> had three choices; no response, respond directly to the bigotry of the
> statement, or make a joke of it. I chose the latter and considering the
> maturity of the insulter, probably should have chosen the former.

A typo is a minor error (in particular when in another language than the
poster's native language) compared to Krammer's logical error: referring
to "the former" when there are two alternatives to "the latter".

"Oho!' said the pot to the kettle;
"You are dirty and ugly and black!
Sure no one would think you were metal,
Except when you're given a crack."

"Not so! not so! kettle said to the pot;
" 'Tis your own dirty image you see;
For I am so clean -without blemish or blot-
That your blackness is mirrored in me"


Krammer is a pot.
>
>

kaypeeoh wrote:

> On Jun 27, 4:31 am, J <xyewsnswex@nalid;"no> wrote:
> > kaypeeoh wrote:
> > > The tv news said farrah had colon cancer. <snip>
> > > I'm a veterinarian. Recently I removed the anal glands in a dog. One
> > > gland had a nodule inside. I sent it for biopsy. The result was
> > > cancer but contained within the gland. The client brought the dog in
> > > today for suture removal. There's now a golf-ball sized tumor where
> > > the anal gland used to be. People in this group warn about prostate
> > > biopsies speading cancer. Perhaps she had multiple biopsies before
> > > the tumors were removed.
> >
> {Fawcett stuff snipped}
> >
> > What happens please to an animal if their anal glands are removed?
> > Do they defecate normally? I suppose anesthetic is required?
> > Thanks for any insight.
> > J
>
> The anal glands are within the anal sphincter. With every bowel
> movement the pressure of the stool passing through causes some of the
> gland secretion to be released. After years scar tissue can develop
> in the duct and the gland can't empty naturally. Or the dog develops
> recurring gland infections. Removing the glands is a common vet
> procedure. It requires anestheria of course. The skin is incised,
> the glands are dissected free of the anus, the duct is tied off and
> the skin is sutured. Some surgeons can remove both glands without
> problem. I did that once and the dog ended up crapping on the couch
> for a week, til the nerves regenerated. And I ended up in court
> fighting the client's suit over a new couch. Now I remove one gland
> then the other three weeks later. Since this one case, I'm warning
> clients and have found many are willing to have the glands removed
> phrophylactically. ($Ka-ching!$) This case, I found the nodule in
> one gland and told the owner to "wait and see". Sound familiar? A
> week later they were back and by then the nodule had grown from 3mm
> diameter to 3cm diameter. If I'd taken it out at 3mm....
>
> kevin

Thanks for the info. I didn't realize cancer in dogs could be that aggressive.

Looks like Fawcett was diagnosed around Sept/Oct 06 and in her liver summer 07

She died appropximately the same timeline as others, I know of (with mets to liver) from rectum or colon.
So in my view, she gained nothing by going to Germany.
I've researched that "clinic" before, in detail. Nothing special that can't be done in the US or elsewhere.

Thanks again for your time and information.
J