Knocked Off

Now _I_ was knocked off _my_ ISP. And I am none to happy about it. I read
posts this morning and at Noon, I received 100 messages telling me that Time
Warner had stopped its news service. Not alt. Not the "big 8". None.
Zero. Nada.

But, thanks to my Canadian minx, I am back with Motzarella.

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"Steve Kramer" <skramer@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
news:g3p7oi$kue$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Now _I_ was knocked off _my_ ISP. And I am none to happy about it. I
> read posts this morning and at Noon, I received 100 messages telling me
> that Time Warner had stopped its news service. Not alt. Not the "big 8".
> None. Zero. Nada.
>
> But, thanks to my Canadian minx, I am back with Motzarella.
>
> --
> PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
> Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
> RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
> PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
> EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
> PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
> Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
> PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
> Casodex added daily 07/06
> PSA <0.04, <0.05, <0.04, <0.04, <0.1 2/12/08
> Illegitimati non carborundum
>
Welcome back, Steve.

Yes, it appears that Verizon, Time Warner and Sprint have all entered into
some agreement with the Attorney General of New York to limit, or block
completely, the Usenet from their services...particularly the
alt.hierarchies (containing the alt.binaries) in some *overkill* effort to
fight child pornography. Throwing out the baby with the bath water,
apparently.
--
JerryW, using Motzarella now too.

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On June 23, Steve Kramer wrote:

> Now _I_ was knocked off _my_ ISP. And I am none to happy about it. I read
> posts this morning and at Noon, I received 100 messages telling me that Time
> Warner had stopped its news service. Not alt. Not the "big 8". None.
> Zero. Nada.
>
> But, thanks to my Canadian minx, I am back with Motzarella.

Cheese?

Well, no one paid attention to my recommendation of Mozilla Thunderbird,
which is free and has never failed me. Suit yourself.

Regards,

Steve J

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to
pause and reflect."
-- Mark Twain

"Steve Jordan" <mycroftscj1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:JPV7k.1795$W65.1434@newsfe16.phx...
> On June 23, Steve Kramer wrote:
>
>> Now _I_ was knocked off _my_ ISP. And I am none to happy about it. I
>> read posts this morning and at Noon, I received 100 messages telling me
>> that Time Warner had stopped its news service. Not alt. Not the "big
>> 8". None. Zero. Nada.
>>
>> But, thanks to my Canadian minx, I am back with Motzarella.
>
> Cheese?
>
> Well, no one paid attention to my recommendation of Mozilla Thunderbird,
> which is free and has never failed me. Suit yourself.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve J
>
>How does using Mozilla to read newsgroups give you access to Usenet when
>the ISP's have pulled the plug? Unless you are using a pay service to
>access Usenet.

"Steve Kramer" <skramer@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
news:g3p7oi$kue$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Now _I_ was knocked off _my_ ISP. And I am none to happy about it. I
> read posts this morning and at Noon, I received 100 messages telling
> me that Time Warner had stopped its news service. Not alt. Not the
> "big 8". None. Zero. Nada.
>
> But, thanks to my Canadian minx, I am back with Motzarella.

Awwww.....that's sweet. I have never been called a *minx* before. (G)
And as I just hit a big time birthday, that is REALLY appreciated, young
man!!

Abrazos.....Figgs

(and my dad was the first North American veterinarian for mink and
foxes.....and you didn't even know that, grin)

Steve Jordan wrote:
> On June 23, Steve Kramer wrote:
>>...
>> But, thanks to my Canadian minx, I am back with Motzarella.
>
> Cheese?
>
> Well, no one paid attention to my recommendation of Mozilla Thunderbird,
> which is free and has never failed me. Suit yourself.

Motzarella is a news *server*. Thunderbird is a news *client*.

They can work together and, in fact, I am using Thunderbird
to post this message on a Motzarella hosted server.

Alan

JerryW wrote:
> ...
> Yes, it appears that Verizon, Time Warner and Sprint have all entered into
> some agreement with the Attorney General of New York to limit, or block
> completely, the Usenet from their services...particularly the
> alt.hierarchies (containing the alt.binaries) in some *overkill* effort to
> fight child pornography. Throwing out the baby with the bath water,
> apparently.

That's truly weird. Are they going to block the world wide web
next because it has pornographic websites? How about blocking
the phone network because it's possible to transmit lewd statements
over phone lines?

I wonder if there is a hidden agenda of just eliminating a service
that costs money and doesn't typically sell much, i.e., there probably
aren't a lot of users who will throw out their ISP because of this.

Alan

On June 23, Alan Meyer replied to me:

> Motzarella is a news *server*. Thunderbird is a news *client*.
>
> They can work together and, in fact, I am using Thunderbird
> to post this message on a Motzarella hosted server.

Tnx. No one had bothered to explain that with such clarity.

Now, if someone would define the difference between a new server and a
news client......

Regards,

Steve J
Who is not familiar with the jargon.

"Computers are like Old Testament gods; lots of rules and no mercy."
--Joseph Campbell

"Alan Meyer" <ameyer2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:g3pi31$jt8$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> JerryW wrote:
>> ...
>> Yes, it appears that Verizon, Time Warner and Sprint have all entered
>> into some agreement with the Attorney General of New York to limit,
>> or block completely, the Usenet from their services...particularly
>> the alt.hierarchies (containing the alt.binaries) in some *overkill*
>> effort to fight child pornography. Throwing out the baby with the
>> bath water, apparently.
>
> That's truly weird. Are they going to block the world wide web
> next because it has pornographic websites? How about blocking
> the phone network because it's possible to transmit lewd statements
> over phone lines?

>************************* I wonder if there is a hidden agenda of just
>eliminating a service
> that costs money and doesn't typically sell much, i.e., there probably
> aren't a lot of users who will throw out their ISP because of this.
>********************

And that, my dear, is EXACTLY why they eliminate news groups. My ISP
told me that not many people used them and it cost them $10 per month.
We had a few arguments wherein I told them to reimburse me the said
$10/month so I could sub to a new one, but they were bigger than me,
grin. Ted Rogers (Rogers.com) has more money than Billy Gates and is
incredibly stingy.

Good thinking, amigo.

Heather

"Steve Jordan" <mycroftscj1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:S4Y7k.1796$W65.1504@newsfe16.phx...
> On June 23, Alan Meyer replied to me:
>
>> Motzarella is a news *server*. Thunderbird is a news *client*.
>>
>> They can work together and, in fact, I am using Thunderbird
>> to post this message on a Motzarella hosted server.
>
> Tnx. No one had bothered to explain that with such clarity.
>
> Now, if someone would define the difference between a new server and a
> news client......
>
How about a News SERVER is a company hosting the thousands of news
groups and most of them you pay for, but some are free.

A News CLIENT (Alan's word) is the program you use to read the news
groups. In your case, it is Mozilla's Thunderbird. In my case, it is
Microsoft's Outlook Express. You could also use Opera, Free Agent, and
so on. I just happen to prefer OE and have it incredibly virus-proofed,
which is really quite simple.

Hmmm......OK. News Server is CNN. News Client is your TV set.
Comprendez??

Is that better?? .... Heather

Alan Meyer wrote:

> I wonder if there is a hidden agenda of just eliminating a service
> that costs money and doesn't typically sell much, i.e., there probably
> aren't a lot of users who will throw out their ISP because of this.

I've dumped three ISPs because of limited/no USENET service. They're a
quick way to get a question answered, and a long-term source of
important and/or useful info or opinions. *OTOH*, I have also dumped
some important USENET forums due to their preponderance of jerks.

I.P.

JerryW wrote:

>
> Yes, it appears that Verizon, Time Warner and Sprint have all entered into
> some agreement with the Attorney General of New York to limit, or block
> completely, the Usenet from their services...particularly the
> alt.hierarchies (containing the alt.binaries) in some *overkill* effort to
> fight child pornography. Throwing out the baby with the bath water,
> apparently.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-9964895-38.html

It appears that freedom of expression and freedom of the press is no
longer considered a basic human right in the U.S.

Steve Jordan wrote:
> On June 23, Steve Kramer wrote:
>
>> Now _I_ was knocked off _my_ ISP. And I am none to happy about it. I
>> read posts this morning and at Noon, I received 100 messages telling
>> me that Time Warner had stopped its news service. Not alt. Not the
>> "big 8". None. Zero. Nada.
>>
>> But, thanks to my Canadian minx, I am back with Motzarella.
>
> Cheese?
>
> Well, no one paid attention to my recommendation of Mozilla Thunderbird,
> which is free and has never failed me. Suit yourself.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve J
>
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to
> pause and reflect."


It's also time to pause and reflect if you don't know the difference
between software and an ISP. Cheese? Sjeesh. What a dumbo.

"Steve Jordan" <mycroftscj1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:JPV7k.1795$W65.1434@newsfe16.phx...
> On June 23, Steve Kramer wrote:
>
>> Now _I_ was knocked off _my_ ISP. And I am none to happy about it. I
>> read posts this morning and at Noon, I received 100 messages telling me
>> that Time Warner had stopped its news service. Not alt. Not the "big
>> 8". None. Zero. Nada.
>>
>> But, thanks to my Canadian minx, I am back with Motzarella.
>
> Cheese?
>
> Well, no one paid attention to my recommendation of Mozilla Thunderbird,
> which is free and has never failed me. Suit yourself.

To be honest, until now, I thought Mozilla, Motzarella, and Motserella were
all the same thing mispelled differently. I never needed to pay it much
heed as I was getting it free from Time Warner without a problem.

On June 23, Heather replied to me and my joke about cheese:

> How about a News SERVER is a company hosting the thousands of news
> groups and most of them you pay for, but some are free.
>
> A News CLIENT (Alan's word) is the program you use to read the news
> groups. In your case, it is Mozilla's Thunderbird.

(snip)

> Hmmm......OK. News Server is CNN. News Client is your TV set.
> Comprendez??
>
> Is that better??
>

Un peu.

So: My ISP is Cox, which does not offer Usenet service. I subscribed to
the free Mozilla Thunderbird for e-mail and newsgroup service. Seems to
me that, whatever one's ISP, one could subscribe to any "client" one wished.

BTW, I also subscribe to Mozilla's Firefox. Free. Excellent.

No viruses, trojan horses, etc.

Regards,

Steve J

Steve Jordan wrote:
> On June 23, Heather replied to me and my joke about cheese:
>
>> How about a News SERVER is a company hosting the thousands of news
>> groups and most of them you pay for, but some are free.

A news server is a computer. It may be operated by a company.
>>
>> A News CLIENT (Alan's word) is the program you use to read the news
>> groups. In your case, it is Mozilla's Thunderbird.
>
> (snip)
>
>> Hmmm......OK. News Server is CNN. News Client is your TV set.
>> Comprendez??
>>
>> Is that better??
No it's totally wrong. CNN provides editorial content. Neither the
server (the computer) or the company operating the server provide
editorial content. In case of Heather's message, she was providing the
content. That illustrates another difference. There is no moderator on a
usent newsgroup. CNN would have told Heather she doesn't meet their
quality standards. News client is software. TV set is hardware. Silly
comparison.
>
> Un peu.
>
> So: My ISP is Cox, which does not offer Usenet service. I subscribed to
> the free Mozilla Thunderbird for e-mail and newsgroup service.

Still wrong. Thunderbird is software.
Seems to
> me that, whatever one's ISP, one could subscribe to any "client" one
> wished.
>
> BTW, I also subscribe to Mozilla's Firefox. Free. Excellent.

You can't subscribe to Firefox.
>
> No viruses, trojan horses, etc.

>
> Regards,
>
> Steve J

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:52:21 -0700, Steve Jordan <mycroftscj1@cox.net>
wrote:


The Mozilla Foundation provides free, open source code applications,
including the Firefox web browser and the Thunderbird email client. To
the best of my knowledge, the Mozilla Foundation does not provide
usenet access or any other Internet Services. They are not an ISP, as
far as I know. I believe you would have to configure their
applications, such as Firefox and Thunderbird, to connect to an ISP,
such as Cox. You don't subscribe to Thunderbird and Firefox. When
you downloaded and installed them, you gained the right to use the
applicaitons. (You can also contribute to changing the applications,
if you chose to do so, since they are open source code applications.)
Here is the link to the foundation's web site for your convenience.
http://www.mozilla.org/ I encourage you, and others, to visit the
site and learn about the organization. If you like what they are
doing, you can make a contribution.

Both Firefox and Thunderbird are excellent applications. I use both
on my laptop and they function very well.

>So: My ISP is Cox, which does not offer Usenet service. I subscribed to
>the free Mozilla Thunderbird for e-mail and newsgroup service. Seems to
>me that, whatever one's ISP, one could subscribe to any "client" one wished.
>
>BTW, I also subscribe to Mozilla's Firefox. Free. Excellent.
>
>No viruses, trojan horses, etc.
>
>Regards,
>
>Steve J
RP in 1995 (age 52)
RT in 2000
ADT (Casodex) 10/06 - 8/07
Latest PSA - 0.23

On June 24, BH wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:52:21 -0700, Steve Jordan <mycroftscj1@cox.net>
> wrote:

Actually, I wrote none of what follows in BH's post.

> The Mozilla Foundation provides free, open source code applications,
> including the Firefox web browser and the Thunderbird email client. To
> the best of my knowledge, the Mozilla Foundation does not provide
> usenet access or any other Internet Services. They are not an ISP, as
> far as I know. I believe you would have to configure their
> applications, such as Firefox and Thunderbird, to connect to an ISP,
> such as Cox.

Agreed.

> You don't subscribe to Thunderbird and Firefox. When
> you downloaded and installed them, you gained the right to use the
> applicaitons (sic).

OK, OK, OK. So "subscribe" was maybe not the exact, precise, particular,
explicit, unambiguous, specific, term to convey exactly, precisely,
particularly, explicitly, unambiguously, specifically, the term "use."
Sheesh.

> (You can also contribute to changing the applications,
> if you chose to do so, since they are open source code applications.)
> Here is the link to the foundation's web site for your convenience.
> http://www.mozilla.org/ I encourage you, and others, to visit the
> site and learn about the organization. If you like what they are
> doing, you can make a contribution.

Not on your life.

The one time I had a problem, the *volunteer* "help" folks failed to
reply to or even acknowledge my initial plea for help. When I
complained, they pounced on me for, evidently, disturbing their
slumbers. Treated me like garbage. The only information I gained was
that they were not able to help me and that when that is the case, they
simply will not respond to folks with those too-difficult issues.

> Both Firefox and Thunderbird are excellent applications.

Agreed. So long as one does not need help, they are indeed excellent.

Regards,

Steve J

Steve Jordan wrote:

> So: My ISP is Cox, which does not offer Usenet service. I subscribed to
> the free Mozilla Thunderbird for e-mail and newsgroup service. Seems to
> me that, whatever one's ISP, one could subscribe to any "client" one wished.

Cox provides Newsgroups See #14 http://www.cox.com/policy/
And you're accessing their news servers.
It says so in your headers (headers of your posts)

Your email and newsreader (software) is Thunderbird.
Mozilla | Firefox web browser & Thunderbird email client
The email client also serves as a news(group) reader.
It's a software package you download and set your settings then use.
J

On June 26, J wrote:

> Cox provides Newsgroups See #14 http://www.cox.com/policy/
> And you're accessing their news servers.
> It says so in your headers (headers of your posts)

Thanks for the info. Cox is pretty quiet about it' unable to find
anything on the local Cox site.

Also: I've checked my headers and find nothing about newsgroups. One
more time: I know zero about such matters and do not understand the
jargon and complexities.

I can understand if someone takes a moment to explain in plain English.
Much as we do with newbies on PCa support groups....

Regards,

Steve J

"Steve Jordan" <mycroftscj1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:lzQ8k.5081$xb2.3116@newsfe12.phx...
> On June 26, J wrote:
>
>> Cox provides Newsgroups See #14 http://www.cox.com/policy/
>> And you're accessing their news servers.
>> It says so in your headers (headers of your posts)
>
> Thanks for the info. Cox is pretty quiet about it' unable to find
> anything on the local Cox site.
>
> Also: I've checked my headers and find nothing about newsgroups. One
> more time: I know zero about such matters and do not understand the
> jargon and complexities.
>
> I can understand if someone takes a moment to explain in plain
> English. Much as we do with newbies on PCa support groups....

Steve.....unfortunately you use a Mac and I know nada about how they
work. I can read your headers with my PC, but have no clue what
commands you would have to use with your keyboard. We use a "right
click" to access this information....."we" being J and myself, I mean.
But you also have to know what to look for.

Cheers.....Heather

On June 26, Heather replied to me:

> Steve.....unfortunately you use a Mac and I know nada about how they
> work. I can read your headers with my PC, but have no clue what
> commands you would have to use with your keyboard. We use a "right
> click" to access this information....."we" being J and myself, I mean.
> But you also have to know what to look for.

Au contraire, there's nothing "unfortunate" about it. I am not disabled.
I, too, can read my headers. Do not be concerned with Microcrap's right
click.

All I want to know is what I'm supposed to be looking for. IOW, what,
exactly, is the newsgroup information that's supposed to be in my
headers? I'll take it from there.

Regards,

Steve J

"Steve Jordan" <mycroftscj1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1hZ8k.5135$xb2.737@newsfe12.phx...
> On June 26, Heather replied to me:
>
>> Steve.....unfortunately you use a Mac and I know nada about how they
>> work. I can read your headers with my PC, but have no clue what
>> commands you would have to use with your keyboard. We use a "right
>> click" to access this information....."we" being J and myself, I
>> mean. But you also have to know what to look for.
>
> Au contraire, there's nothing "unfortunate" about it. I am not
> disabled. I, too, can read my headers. Do not be concerned with
> Microcrap's right click.
>
> All I want to know is what I'm supposed to be looking for. IOW, what,
> exactly, is the newsgroup information that's supposed to be in my
> headers? I'll take it from there.

OK.....here are just 3 lines from your headers and an explanation of
what NNTP is. But you can plainly see that complaints go to the
"Newsmaster at Cox".....and that the top line has most of the word
"newsfeed" (assumption, but it is pretty obvious) and phx would be
Phoenix.

Message-ID: <1hZ8k.5135$xb2.737@newsfe12.phx>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.251.19.250
X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@cox.net

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NNTP

Heather