Low-fat, vegetarian diet may stall prostate cancer

"Low-fat, vegetarian diet may stall prostate cancer", Reuters,
September 11, 2007,
Link: http://www.reuters.com/article/healt...17435520070911

Low-fat, plant-based diets may help prevent or slow the progression of
prostate cancer, according to a new research review.

A number of studies, though not all, have suggested that eating plenty
of fruits and vegetables may help ward off prostate cancer, while
"Western"-style diets heavy in animal fat and dairy products may
increase a man's risk of developing the disease.

In the current study, researchers reviewed 25 previously published
studies that examined the effects of plant-based diets on prostate
cancer development or progression.

Overall, the evidence suggests that diets high in fiber, fruits and
vegetables, and low in meat and dairy, can help battle the disease,
they report in the journal Nutrition Reviews.

For example, several studies of men with prostate cancer have linked
high saturated fat intake to faster disease progression and a higher
risk of death. Saturated fat is found mainly in animal products.

In contrast, some small trials have found that a high-fiber, low-fat
vegetarian diet may slow the growth and spread of early-stage prostate
tumors. Some other studies have suggested that components of plant-
based foods -- like certain antioxidants or soy isoflavones -- might
be beneficial.

"For men diagnosed with prostate cancer, the key to improving the odds
of survival is avoiding high-fat fare and instead choosing fruits,
vegetables, beans and other cancer-fighting vegetarian foods," lead
study author Dr. Susan Berkow said in a statement.

Berkow is with George Mason University in Alexandria, Virginia, and
serves as a consultant to Physicians Committee for Responsible
Medicine, a group that advocates vegetarian and vegan diets.

Berkow and her colleagues speculate that the fiber and other nutrients
found in plant-based diets may affect prostate cancer by altering
levels of certain hormones that can feed tumor development, including
testosterone and insulin.

he balance of fats in a man's diet may also be key, the researchers
point out. Some studies have found that omega-3 fatty acids may help
stall prostate cancer progression. Omega-3 fats are found largely in
oily fish, but also in some vegetable sources, like flaxseeds and
canola oil.

SOURCE: Nutrition Reviews, September 2007.

"Roman Bystrianyk" <rbystrianyk@gmail.com> wrote:

> SOURCE: Nutrition Reviews, September 2007.


You failed to include "© Reuters2007All rights reserved"

"Roman Bystrianyk" <rbystrianyk@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189768084.975802.140770@g4g2000hsf.googlegro ups.com...
> ...
> A number of studies, though not all, have suggested that eating plenty
> of fruits and vegetables may help ward off prostate cancer ...

If I put some extra olives in my martini, will that do the trick?

Alan

On Sep 14, 7:08 am, Roman Bystrianyk <rbystria...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Low-fat, vegetarian diet may stall prostate cancer", Reuters,
> September 11, 2007,
> Link:http://www.reuters.com/article/healt...17435520070911
>
> Low-fat, plant-based diets may help prevent or slow the progression of
> prostate cancer, according to a new research review.
>
> A number of studies, though not all, have suggested that eating plenty
> of fruits and vegetables may help ward off prostate cancer, while
> "Western"-style diets heavy in animal fat and dairy products may
> increase a man's risk of developing the disease.
>
> In the current study, researchers reviewed 25 previously published
> studies that examined the effects of plant-based diets on prostate
> cancer development or progression.
>
> Overall, the evidence suggests that diets high in fiber, fruits and
> vegetables, and low in meat and dairy, can help battle the disease,
> they report in the journal Nutrition Reviews.
>
> For example, several studies of men with prostate cancer have linked
> high saturated fat intake to faster disease progression and a higher
> risk of death. Saturated fat is found mainly in animal products.
>
> In contrast, some small trials have found that a high-fiber, low-fat
> vegetarian diet may slow the growth and spread of early-stage prostate
> tumors. Some other studies have suggested that components of plant-
> based foods -- like certain antioxidants or soy isoflavones -- might
> be beneficial.
>
> "For men diagnosed with prostate cancer, the key to improving the odds
> of survival is avoiding high-fat fare and instead choosing fruits,
> vegetables, beans and other cancer-fighting vegetarian foods," lead
> study author Dr. Susan Berkow said in a statement.
>
> Berkow is with George Mason University in Alexandria, Virginia, and
> serves as a consultant to Physicians Committee for Responsible
> Medicine, a group that advocates vegetarian and vegan diets.
>
> Berkow and her colleagues speculate that the fiber and other nutrients
> found in plant-based diets may affect prostate cancer by altering
> levels of certain hormones that can feed tumor development, including
> testosterone and insulin.
>
> he balance of fats in a man's diet may also be key, the researchers
> point out. Some studies have found that omega-3 fatty acids may help
> stall prostate cancer progression. Omega-3 fats are found largely in
> oily fish, but also in some vegetable sources, like flaxseeds and
> canola oil.
>
> SOURCE: Nutrition Reviews, September 2007.

All:
My urologist, a skeptical scientist, to be sure, says he has several
PCa patients pursuing active surveillance of their disease and
following a vegetarian diet, with success therein retarding the growth
of the disease. I assume these are men with small amounts of slow
growing disease, though he did not elaborate. He also did not explain
if this was his recommendation or that of the patient himself, or a
consensus. This doctor is not a fan of supplements so his pride in
success with diet was surprising to me. The best proof is the
conversion of a skeptic.

JohnC

Roman Bystrianyk <rbystrianyk@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1189768084.975802.140770@g4g2000hsf.googlegro ups.com:

> "Low-fat, vegetarian diet may stall prostate cancer", Reuters,
> September 11, 2007,
> http://www.reuters.com/article/healt...17435520070911

This has been known for some time. It's may really, more "does stall pc."

I dare say repeating the message means it may eventually get through. A
complete vegetarian diet has to include some proteins rare outside of
animals products, last I heard (a long time ago), only found in peanuts.

The vegetable rule is a good one, generally, but there are exceptions.
Pigs liver is a healthy food, high in polyunsaturated fat, particularly
helpful with MS.


--
http://broomleigh.com/

tarhoosier@carolina.rr.com wrote in news:1189794389.891236.91190
@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:


> This doctor is not a fan of supplements so his pride in
> success with diet was surprising to me. The best proof
> is the conversion of a skeptic.

With the bearded organic foods mob round every corner, you do need to be
careful about these rumours. The positive correlation between meat eating
and pc is well known.

This is not an advocacy for trendy foods in general, neither is it a
complaint about eating reasonable quantities of meat and animal products,
(unless you have pc or a propensity to pc).


--
http://broomleigh.com/

"A M L [Manchester England]" wrote:

> complete vegetarian diet has to include some proteins rare outside of
> animals products, last I heard (a long time ago), only found in peanuts.

SOURCES: Milk, eggs, cheese, meat, fish, and some vebetables such as
soybeans. Proteins are found in both vegetable and meat sources of food.
Many incomplete proteins are found in vegetables; they contain some of the
essential amono acids. A veggie diet can make up for this by combining
vegetable groups that compliment each other.

Taber's CYCLOPIC MEDICAL DICTIONARY

"california_chief" <Fire_Chief@Jamacha_Junction_FD.ca.us> wrote in
news:7u3Hi.313587$dA7.132490@newsfe16.lga:

> A veggie diet can make up for this
> by combining vegetable groups that compliment each other.

Thanks.

If you do want to cut down on meat, in this case to restrain pc, SosMix is
popular in the UK. £2 to make 2 pounds (weight) of the stuff, although it
does not taste much like sausage, it is a pleasant food.

Something costing £2 in the UK will generally cost about $2.40 or so in the
US (the US dollar is under valued).

And if you want to know what SosMix looks like, thought the taste is more
difficult to convey, it looks like this

http://www.sosmix.broomleigh.com/


--
http://broomleigh.com/

On Sep 15, 9:51 pm, "A M L [Manchester England]"
<ab...@rochdale.gov.welt> wrote:
> Roman Bystrianyk <rbystria...@gmail.com> wrote innews:1189768084.975802.140770@g4g2000hsf.googleg roups.com:
>
> > "Low-fat, vegetarian diet may stall prostate cancer", Reuters,
> > September 11, 2007,
> >http://www.reuters.com/article/healt...17435520070911
>
> This has been known for some time. It's may really, more "does stall pc."
>
> I dare say repeating the message means it may eventually get through. A
> complete vegetarian diet has to include some proteins rare outside of
> animals products, last I heard (a long time ago), only found in peanuts.

Ummm, plant proteins are "incomplete," in other words, they do not
contain all the essential amino acids humans need. BUT, plant
proteins can be "complimented" to be made "complete." Beans and rice,
wheat and peanut butter. . .this is basic vegetarianism. The only
nutrient you can't get from plants is Vitamin B12, but milk products
are rich in it.

I became a vegetarian when I found out I did not have to eat meat. I
didn't like the taste of meat, and I was delighted to stop eating it.

That was when I was a teenager; an eon ago! I don't know if my diet
has kept me healthier, but more and more evidence says it did.

Medusa

AA #2281

"A M L [Manchester England]" wrote:

> And if you want to know what SosMix looks like, thought the taste is more
> difficult to convey, it looks like this
>
> http://www.something.com/


Did you read the charter of this group before posting a commecial site's
URL?

"california_chief" <Fire_Chief@Jamacha_Junction_FD.ca.us> wrote in message
news:U2fHi.87382$lZ7.18502@newsfe20.lga...
> "A M L [Manchester England]" wrote:
>
>> And if you want to know what SosMix looks like, thought the taste is more
>> difficult to convey, it looks like this
>>
>> http://www.something.com/
>
>
> Did you read the charter of this group before posting a commecial site's
> URL?

I don't think he had any commercial intent Chief, he's just
trying to be helpful.

Alan

"Medusa" <Medusa4303@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1189963368.241185.275570@22g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
....
> I became a vegetarian when I found out I did not have to eat meat. I
> didn't like the taste of meat, and I was delighted to stop eating it.
>
> That was when I was a teenager; an eon ago! I don't know if my diet
> has kept me healthier, but more and more evidence says it did.
....

Medusa,

I have to ask, have you ever been diagnosed with cancer? I know
full well that a statistical sample of one person is of no use in
understanding trends, but I'm still curious to know if a lifelong
vegetarian got PCa.

Thanks.

Alan

"california_chief" <Fire_Chief@Jamacha_Junction_FD.ca.us> wrote in
news:U2fHi.87382$lZ7.18502@newsfe20.lga:

> Did you read the charter of this group
> before posting a commecial site's URL?

No. I'm sorry.


--
http://broomleigh.com/

Medusa <Medusa4303@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1189963368.241185.275570@22g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com:

> BUT, plant proteins can be "complimented"
> to be made "complete." Beans and rice,
> wheat and peanut butter. . .this is basic
> vegetarianism. The only nutrient you can't
> get from plants is Vitamin B12, but milk
> products are rich in it.

Thanks. I was wondering what he meant. When you say milk, do you mean
cows milk?

> I became a vegetarian when I found out I did not
> have to eat meat. I didn't like the taste of meat,
> and I was delighted to stop eating it.

In fairness, with exceptions, vegetarian food does take longer to cook?

We used to have a myth in the UK, less common nowadays, that there was
something healthy about a daily midday meal of "meat and 2 veg."
Vegetarians called this "corpse and 2 veg."

> That was when I was a teenager; an eon ago! I don't
> know if my diet has kept me healthier, but more and
> more evidence says it did.

And if that doesn't make you a vegetarian, try eating a sausage in the
company of vegetarians: it cannot be done. You put the fork into the
sausage, and their eyes widen, and at every move, until you leave that
corpse alone, their eyes open wider and wider.

Not a word was said, and I put the corpse in the bin.


--
http://broomleigh.com/

"A M L [Manchester England]" <abuse@rochdale.gov.welt> wrote in message
news:Xns99AF46B91737Alitigationswanseasoo@204.153. 245.17...
> "california_chief" <Fire_Chief@Jamacha_Junction_FD.ca.us> wrote in
> news:U2fHi.87382$lZ7.18502@newsfe20.lga:
>
>> Did you read the charter of this group
>> before posting a commecial site's URL?
>
> No. I'm sorry.
>

I haven't read it either, Chief. Could you please direct me to where I can
find it.

--
JerryW

Please respond to group; email address is not valid

2/11/04 PSA 2.6, Suspicious DRE (age 62)
2/23/04 Biopsy: Gleason 3+4=7, T2a, left lobe
5/18/04 RRP, Path: Gleason 4+3=7, T2c, both lobes
Fully continent by 9/04
PSA through 4/2/07: <0.1

"JerryW" <jerryw@seemysig.net> wrote in message
news:lTPHi.12127$mk2.2224@trnddc07...

>> "california_chief" <Fire_Chief@Jamacha_Junction_FD.ca.us> wrote in
>> news:U2fHi.87382$lZ7.18502@newsfe20.lga:
>>
>>> Did you read the charter of this group
>>> before posting a commecial site's URL?

> I haven't read it either, Chief. Could you please direct me to where I can
> find it.

The only one that I have ever seen was the very first post in 1994.

More options Dec 14 1994, 7:53 pm

Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer.prostate, alt.support.cancer
From: Chic...@ix.netcom.com (B. H.)
Date: 14 Dec 1994 23:53:17 GMT
Local: Wed, Dec 14 1994 7:53 pm
Subject: Charter

This is not a official charter, but rather a few thoughts on what one
might include. I think that the purpose of alt.support.cancer.prostate
is to capture all the postings on prostate cancer that are occuring all
over the net. AOL, PRODIGY, Compuserve, Delphi and others all have
postings scattered in various places as does sci.med and
alt.support.cancer. If these people could be gathered into one group, a
serious political force could be created. Meanwhile, people can share
ideas, information, and experiences.
BH, MD

Thanks, Steve.

JerryW


"Steve Kramer" wrote:
>
> "JerryW" <jerryw@seemysig.net> wrote in message
> news:lTPHi.12127$mk2.2224@trnddc07...
>
>>> "california_chief" wrote in
>>> news:U2fHi.87382$lZ7.18502@newsfe20.lga:
>>>
>>>> Did you read the charter of this group
>>>> before posting a commecial site's URL?
>
>> I haven't read it either, Chief. Could you please direct me to where I
>> can find it.
>
> The only one that I have ever seen was the very first post in 1994.
>
> More options Dec 14 1994, 7:53 pm
>
> Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer.prostate, alt.support.cancer
> From: Chic...@ix.netcom.com (B. H.)
> Date: 14 Dec 1994 23:53:17 GMT
> Local: Wed, Dec 14 1994 7:53 pm
> Subject: Charter
>
> This is not a official charter, but rather a few thoughts on what one
> might include. I think that the purpose of alt.support.cancer.prostate
> is to capture all the postings on prostate cancer that are occuring all
> over the net. AOL, PRODIGY, Compuserve, Delphi and others all have
> postings scattered in various places as does sci.med and
> alt.support.cancer. If these people could be gathered into one group, a
> serious political force could be created. Meanwhile, people can share
> ideas, information, and experiences.
> BH, MD

Jerry, there are NO Charters or Bosses on Usenet. Usually a mild
reproof works.......with people whose IQ is over 50.

But not with those idiot spammers/scammers. Those get either ignored or
killfiled on this machine.

Heather

"JerryW" <jerryw@seemysig.net> wrote in message
news:lTPHi.12127$mk2.2224@trnddc07...
>
> "A M L [Manchester England]" <abuse@rochdale.gov.welt> wrote in
> message news:Xns99AF46B91737Alitigationswanseasoo@204.153. 245.17...
>> "california_chief" <Fire_Chief@Jamacha_Junction_FD.ca.us> wrote in
>> news:U2fHi.87382$lZ7.18502@newsfe20.lga:
>>
>>> Did you read the charter of this group
>>> before posting a commecial site's URL?
>>
>> No. I'm sorry.
>>
>
> I haven't read it either, Chief. Could you please direct me to where I
> can find it.
>
> --
> JerryW
>
> Please respond to group; email address is not valid
>
> 2/11/04 PSA 2.6, Suspicious DRE (age 62)
> 2/23/04 Biopsy: Gleason 3+4=7, T2a, left lobe
> 5/18/04 RRP, Path: Gleason 4+3=7, T2c, both lobes
> Fully continent by 9/04
> PSA through 4/2/07: <0.1
>
>
>

On Sep 18, 2:18 am, "A M L [Manchester England]"
<ab...@rochdale.gov.welt> wrote:
....
> And if that doesn't make you a vegetarian, try eating a sausage in the
> company of vegetarians: it cannot be done. You put the fork into the
> sausage, and their eyes widen, and at every move, until you leave that
> corpse alone, their eyes open wider and wider.
>
> Not a word was said, and I put the corpse in the bin.
....

My wife and I went out to a restaurant with some Vegan friends.
They insisted that we should eat whatever we wanted, don't pay
any attention to them.

But how can you so disappoint such nice people?

Alan

Yes, Heather, that has been my understanding too. Except for moderated
groups, we generally follow the standard rules of "netiquette" adopted by
most Usenet users. California_Chiefs' response to a posting he seemed to
feel was from a spammer led me to believe maybe he was aware of the
existence of some charter for a.s.c.p. If so, I was interested in seeing
such a document.

Thanks for the clarification.
--
JerryW


"Heather" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:fcouqr$m4a$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Jerry, there are NO Charters or Bosses on Usenet. Usually a mild reproof
> works.......with people whose IQ is over 50.
>
> But not with those idiot spammers/scammers. Those get either ignored or
> killfiled on this machine.
>
> Heather
>
> "JerryW" <jerryw@seemysig.net> wrote in message
> news:lTPHi.12127$mk2.2224@trnddc07...
>>
>> "A M L [Manchester England]" <abuse@rochdale.gov.welt> wrote in message
>> news:Xns99AF46B91737Alitigationswanseasoo@204.153. 245.17...
>>> "california_chief" <Fire_Chief@Jamacha_Junction_FD.ca.us> wrote in
>>> news:U2fHi.87382$lZ7.18502@newsfe20.lga:
>>>
>>>> Did you read the charter of this group
>>>> before posting a commecial site's URL?
>>>
>>> No. I'm sorry.
>>>
>>
>> I haven't read it either, Chief. Could you please direct me to where I
>> can find it.
>>
>> --
>> JerryW
>>
>> Please respond to group; email address is not valid
>>
>> 2/11/04 PSA 2.6, Suspicious DRE (age 62)
>> 2/23/04 Biopsy: Gleason 3+4=7, T2a, left lobe
>> 5/18/04 RRP, Path: Gleason 4+3=7, T2c, both lobes
>> Fully continent by 9/04
>> PSA through 4/2/07: <0.1
>>

"Heather" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>Jerry, there are NO Charters or Bosses on Usenet. Usually a mild
>reproof works.......with people whose IQ is over 50.

Hi Heather! I'm sure you meant the "alt." groups of usenet, not all of
usenet.

Cheers

"Alan Meyer" <ameyer2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1190138762.076059.151410@y42g2000hsy.googlegr oups.com...
> On Sep 18, 2:18 am, "A M L [Manchester England]"
> <ab...@rochdale.gov.welt> wrote:
> ...
>> And if that doesn't make you a vegetarian, try eating a sausage in the
>> company of vegetarians: it cannot be done. You put the fork into the
>> sausage, and their eyes widen, and at every move, until you leave that
>> corpse alone, their eyes open wider and wider.
>>
>> Not a word was said, and I put the corpse in the bin.
> ...
>
> My wife and I went out to a restaurant with some Vegan friends.
> They insisted that we should eat whatever we wanted, don't pay
> any attention to them.
>
> But how can you so disappoint such nice people?

That's easy. Order steak. :-)




--
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04, <0.05, <0.04 (06/12/2007)
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:12:48 -0400, "Steve Kramer"
<skramer@cinci.rr.com> wrote:

>"JerryW" <jerryw@seemysig.net> wrote in message
>news:lTPHi.12127$mk2.2224@trnddc07...
>
>>> "california_chief" <Fire_Chief@Jamacha_Junction_FD.ca.us> wrote in
>>> news:U2fHi.87382$lZ7.18502@newsfe20.lga:
>>>
>>>> Did you read the charter of this group
>>>> before posting a commecial site's URL?
>
>> I haven't read it either, Chief. Could you please direct me to where I can
>> find it.
>
>The only one that I have ever seen was the very first post in 1994.
>
> More options Dec 14 1994, 7:53 pm
>
>Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer.prostate, alt.support.cancer
>From: Chic...@ix.netcom.com (B. H.)
>Date: 14 Dec 1994 23:53:17 GMT
>Local: Wed, Dec 14 1994 7:53 pm
>Subject: Charter
>
>This is not a official charter, but rather a few thoughts on what one
>might include. I think that the purpose of alt.support.cancer.prostate
>is to capture all the postings on prostate cancer that are occuring all
>over the net. AOL, PRODIGY, Compuserve, Delphi and others all have
>postings scattered in various places as does sci.med and
>alt.support.cancer. If these people could be gathered into one group, a
>serious political force could be created. Meanwhile, people can share
>ideas, information, and experiences.
>BH, MD
>

Actually, even though Alt. isn't in the Big 8 newsgroup heirarchy
(.rec, .org,.com, etc), it falls as a subset of alt. support.cancer
which does have a full charter and rules.

Alt.support.cancer.prostate is a subset of alt.support.cancer, and
falls within that alt.group . Main charter:
http://www.cancersupporters.com/asc/charter.html

The main charter applies to all subsets. See subset index of
support.cancer at
http://www.cancersupporters.com/asc/links.html ,
which includes .prostate..

Hope this helps. By the way, it would be a good idea for a regular to
post this charter here monthly. It would save a lot of
discussions/arguments, etc. if trouble ever came here.

Here's what the pertinent parts says. This is the part that needs to
be posted here periodically:


""Welcome to the official FAQ for newsgroup alt.support.cancer. Please
take the time to read this document, especially if you are new to
alt.support.cancer.

Disclaimer: this FAQ is provided for educational purposes only. It
cannot be used for diagnosing or treating a disease. If you have or
suspect you may have cancer, you should consult your doctor. The
external links in this FAQ are provided for the convenience of
alt.support.cancer visitors. The alt.support.cancer newsgroup has no
interest in, responsibility for, or control over the linked sites and
no responsibility is accepted for information on any linked page,
please read the linked provider's own disclaimer where appropriate.
The alt.support.cancer newsgroup makes no promises or warranties of
any kind, express or implied, including those of merchantability or
fitness for a particular purpose, as to the content of any linked
site. In no event shall the newsgroup alt.support.cancer be liable for
any damages resulting from use of these links.



This FAQ is intended to provide detailed information about
alt.support.cancer to the users so that the alt.support.cancer
newsgroup will be better utilized for the purposes of supporting
cancer patients and caregivers.

This FAQ is written and maintained by the users of alt.support.cancer.
The latest alt.support.cancer FAQ can be found online at
www.cancersupporters.com The FAQ will be periodically posted by a
member of the group to news:alt.support.cancer newsgroup.

Corrections and minor updates are permitted without a vote. The
exception is the Charter, which, cannot be changed without a group
vote. Update procedures for this FAQ can be found at the end of this
section.

The purpose of alt.support.cancer :


The Usenet group alt.support.cancer is a resource for those whose
lives are touched by cancer. The primary purpose of alt.support.cancer
is for emotional support and discussion among patients and caregivers.
It is also a place to gather and discuss issues related to cancer and
the impact it has on patients and caregivers .

Policy:


Appropriate posts are welcome.

Lurkers and newbies are always welcome in alt.support.cancer.

The members of alt.support.cancer must be overly considerate and
protective of the newbie or the casual lurker to this NG, so that
these new members to the cancer club don't get mislead, or feel that
this NG is not living up to our purpose.

Because Usenet is susceptible to net abuses, and because
alt.support.cancer is not moderated the alt.support.cancer members in
good standing deem it necessary to self-regulate the group's content.
Members in good standing follow the guidelines outlined in this FAQ.

Who determines what is appropriate in alt.support.cancer? With few
exceptions, that is up to the individual to decide. You might think a
post is perfectly okay, while someone else could well consider it
ridiculously far off-topic or otherwise inappropriate. If that
happens, consensus of the group reigns. If after reading the group for
a while you are still unsure as to what sort of posts are acceptable
in alt.support.cancer, check out The alt.support.cancer archives on
Google Groups.

The newsgroup will prosecute violations of the Charter or FAQ as
deemed necessary by the group.

What is strictly prohibited on this newsgroup?:

Under no circumstances is it appropriate to contact a member of the
newsgroup at their residence or place of employment without their
prior approval. Read this again. There are no exceptions!

Posing as a medical professional is strictly prohibited. For example,
don't use a doctorate in finance or mineralogy to convey the
impression that you are a medical doctor qualified to recommend
treatments or diagnose disease. This includes the use of "Dr., Doc,
PhD, RN, LPN, med, etc." in your name, e-mail address, or alias. If
you claim one of these titles be prepared to provide degree,
major/minor, university, year it was earned, and years experience. You
must provide substantive information if asked by any member of the
group.

If you have been convicted of health fraud, you are not welcome in
alt.support.cancer.

Posing as a cancer patient/caregiver for promoting products or
services is strictly prohibited.

Commercial advertising is prohibited.

Product posts by individuals with a financial or business interest are
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Deceptive posts disguised to conceal other prohibited content are
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Posting in HTML or attachments containing binaries or images are
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inappropriate cross-postings are prohibited.

Opportunities, business opportunities, job postings, resumes,
announcements, flaming, trolling, baiting, flooding, post bombing,
troublemaking, or other forms of net-abuse or abuse of
alt.support.cancer newsgroup users are prohibited.

Troll posting (cross-postings directed to a.s.c from other newsgroups
with the express purpose of disrupting the a.s.c group), flame baiting
or unwarranted flaming is prohibited.

Fraudulent activity is prohibited.

Deceptive information is prohibited.

Making outrageous or unsupported claims is prohibited.

Slander or other criminal acts are prohibited.

Hipcrime or other inappropriate posts made via malicious scripts or
programs are prohibited.

Test messages are prohibited use alt.test instead and put "ignore" in
the subject.

Legal notices:


The information provided in this FAQ is designed to support-not
replace-the relationship that exists between a patient and their
health care system. Information from this document should be used only
for individual educational purposes. If any of the information in this
FAQ conflicts with professional advice you have received, follow the
professional advice.

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abide is grounds for members of alt.support.cancer to blacklist you
and file formal complaints with your ISP or web host. Members of
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FAQs will be prosecuted fully at their discretion. By posting to this
group, you agree to hold alt.support.cancer members harmless for
prosecution of those complaints.

You must abide by your Internet Service Provider's Acceptable Use
Policy to be a member in good standing of alt.support.cancer.
Violation of your ISP's AUP is a violation of our policies and opens
you to prosecution by the group.

Understand that these are other human beings you are communicating
with and that normal legalities and proprieties that are appropriate
in public are applicable in alt.support.cancer.

Criminal activities will not be tolerated.

Usenet/ISP AUP commercial posting violations will be prosecuted, one
occurrence will be considered an offense.

This is an unmoderated newsgroup by definition. Having said that,
there exists a form of user moderation. We cannot control what you
post to the NG, but we can and do hold you accountable for straying
from acceptable behavior as defined in this FAQ. This is not intended
as censorship, but rather, to prevent the NG from turning into a
cesspool. Please help us keep the signal-to-noise ratio down.

Before you post to alt.support.cancer:


Please read the newsgroup before posting. Lurking for at least one
week prior to posting the first time in a new newsgroup is considered
standard acceptable behavior.

Before you post your first message, spam proof your e-mail address by
setting your From: and Reply: e-mail address to nospam@nospam.inv or
adding words or numbers that the sender can be instructed to remove.

Search Google Groups for the answer to your question. If you cannot
find the answer there, then it is appropriate to post to the NG.

Verify that your newsreader options for posting to a newsgroup are set
to TEXT, and not set to HTML. Plain text means it's text only, with
line length under 80 (preferably under 72) characters. See Configuring
Mail Clients to Send Plain ASCII Text.

Do not use stationery backgrounds, color backgrounds, or color text.
Use plain text on a plain background.

Posting to alt.support.cancer:


A post should contribute to the general discussion.

Post in English.

Please post links to sites that are English language.

Please do not criticize the spelling or grammar of another person.

If you don't understand what someone has posted ask for clarification.
Be polite.

Do not respond/complain on the newsgroup about inappropriate or
off-topic posts. Ignore them or put them in your kill file.

If you don't like the content or direction of the newsgroup, feel free
to killfile or exit the group.

If you can find a more appropriate newsgroup for your message, post to
it.

In general, if you feel the need to vent your spleen online, write the
message, go and moan about the issue to your spouse, relatives,
neighbors, and friends, then if you still feel it's appropriate, send
it.

If you cannot resist posting a cure or treatment here, post the
complete treatment description with supporting data. That would
include clinical trial results and papers published in reputable
journals. Provide your connection or affiliation-financial or
otherwise-with the product, the company, board of directors, or
owners. Provide your qualifications to discuss this product, including
but not limited to degrees, positions, experience, titles,
publications, and references. If you have a record of criminal arrest,
you must reveal the date, location, circumstances, and outcome. Links
to this information are acceptable.

Please do not ask us to e-mail you for information; after all, this is
a newsgroup. If it can't be posted to the group it won't pass the
smell test.

Patients and caregivers please do not post your name, address, or
telephone number on this newsgroup. It is OK to remain anonymous.
Since 1981, all posts to newsgroups are archived by Google.

Please use good netiquette, trim quoted material (long messages) or
unnecessary cross posting in your replies, and avoid top posting and
SHOUTING. Don't assume that your message will be read at the same time
as the post you are replying to, and don't assume that all readers
will be using a threaded newsreader. By quoting the relevant parts of
the message you are replying to, it provides a context for your reply.
Your message will make more sense to readers if you reply below quoted
text. This is true if the reader has not seen the post to which you
are replying, or reads it out-of-order.

Read The power of negative thinking: The seven don'ts of Usenet, or
how to excel without doing anything.

Do not have unreasonable expectations.

Just because it is posted (multiple times) on alt.support.cancer does
not make it true.

If you make a mistake, own up to it, we are all human; nobody will
think any worse of you.

Inquiries about cancer medicine may be posted to
sci.med.diseases.cancer. If your post is more about medicine than
cancer support, post to sci.med.diseases.cancer instead.

Please think carefully before posting a news article. If you must,
post the link not the complete text.

Cross-posting should be limited to other appropriate groups.

Trim cross-post groups from your replies.

Choose your topic/subject line carefully to obtain the best replies.
Non-specifics like "Help" or "Question" make it more difficult to
search them later (for others) in the Google archives. A well-thought
out subject will get the attention of the persons you hope to reach
quicker than a "generic" subject line.

Categorize your post in the subject field by using the appropriate
subheading abbreviation for your topic. This would identify the topic
in the thread and allow users to filter or ignore threads that they
have no interest in. Also helpful for those only looking for posts
about specific kinds of topics/cancers, and makes it easier when
searching through the archives. Absence of any subheading-the
default-implies that the content is concerning general cancer support
issues.
[ADMIN] - newsgroup administration
[ALT] - alternative, or unconventional cancer therapies
[ANCMT] - events, announcements
[BMT] - aggressive chemotherapy with bone marrow transplant or stem
cell rescue
[CAM] - complementary and alternative medicine
[CHEM] - chemotherapy, antineoplastics
[CHEMO] - chemotherapy
[COPE] - emotional or psychological issues
[FAQ] - frequently asked questions
[FRAUD] - health fraud
[FUN],[ JOKE], or [HUMOR] - a moment of silliness
[INT] - issues of intimacy, relationships and sex, family members
[MAMO] - imaging, mammography, radiology
[MED] - medical
[METS] - metastases, advanced cancer
[MISC] - miscellaneous (anything not listed)
[OT] - off topic
[PAIN] - pain
[PATH] - pathology, biopsies, staging
[RANT] or [VENT] - blowing off steam
[RECR] - recurrence
[SUP] - messages of support, words of encouragement
[TAMX] - tamoxifen and related drugs

All off topic post headers should have [OT] at the beginning.

What are considered appropriate topics on this newsgroup? :


Questions and answers from patients and caregivers.

Emotional support of patients and caregivers.

Sharing of problems and solutions.

Friendly conversations about patient and caregiver.

Discussions of treatments for cancer.

Dignity

Friendship

Compassion

Understanding

Respect

Information about clinical trials for cancer treatments

Information on support products such as Miracle Mouthwash, Second
Skin, etc. (only if posted by those with no financial or business
interests)

Ranting and raving to vent frustration or a complaint. A rant is
usually off-topic, but occasionally concerns one of our topics of
discussion. There is nothing wrong with an occasional rant.

Humor. Many believe that a positive attitude and a good laugh can
improve the effectiveness of any treatment. It certainly improves the
quality of life.

Periodic reposts of the FAQs or links to them

FAQs business, updates, call for votes, other related issues or
newsgroup business.

What are considered inappropriate topics on this newsgroup?


Encouraging patients to stop or avoid conventional proven cancer
treatment in favor of unconventional and unproven treatment is
inappropriate.

Encouraging patients to accept the use of unproven diagnostic
techniques including, but not limited to self-diagnosis, diagnosis by
questionnaire, diagnosis by fraudulent machines is inappropriate.

Advocating treatments that have been disproven scientifically or have
not successfully completed all phases of a clinical trial is
inappropriate.

Impersonation of another user is inappropriate.

Canceling posts of another user is inappropriate.

Harassment is inappropriate.

Threats are inappropriate.

Cross posting to groups outside of the cancer support community is
inappropriate. Cross-posts should be limited to other newsgroups that
are part of the support community or deal with cancer topics. Cross
posting means that a message is simultaneously posted in other groups.
Excessive cross posting (cross-posting to four or more newsgroups) is
inappropriate. Consider posting copies to other newsgroups.

Excessive multi-posting—defined as posting many repeat copies of a
substantively identical article (i.e. reposting spam)—is
inappropriate.

Offensive or cruel posts are inappropriate.

Off-topic posts are inappropriate.

Political calls to action requests are inappropriate.

Signature files in excess of four lines or V-cards are inappropriate
on the NG and are discouraged.

Newsgroup responses:

If you did not get the response you expected, consider these
questions:

Is it possible that the question has already been answered?

Is it possible that nobody has anything to add to the thread?

Is it possible that nobody knows the answer to your question?

Is it posted to the newsgroup best able to answer? If not, post to a
more appropriate group.

Read your post again and see if it conveyed your message as you
intended. If not, try reposting your message with a clearer statement
of what you want from the group. Be sure to include symptoms, tumor
locations, diagnosis, staging, grade, and any other relative
information that may help the group to understand your post.

Many people post to a NG using an archiving service like Google
groups, and these messages may not be properly propagated over Usenet.
Therefore, they aren’t read by everyone. In addition, some ISP's or
their NG providers don’t propagate well with the same result. Try
posting from another source.

How to address the problem of posters violating the FAQ:


This is probably the most difficult part of using unmoderated
newsgroups on Usenet.

A grassroots organization exists in the NG that reserves the right to
determine what is appropriate content and response. In reality there
are numerous reasons why free speech is not/cannot be censored on the
Internet. Realizing that, the best that alt.support.cancer can hope
for is compliance with the rules in this FAQ. Compliance would afford
someone the ability to post here, if they must, without irrational
reaction from the group. Noncompliance by a person would open them up
to the wrath of the group. Both are forms of positive or negative
feedback intended to control the enforcement of the FAQ. That seems to
be a now-working formula.

The alternative is to let this newsgroup decay and those who need
help; support, etc. would all end up leaving.





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All rights reserved under both Pan American and international
copyright conventions.
No reproduction of any part may be made without the prior written
consent of the copyright holder.""

HT

On Sep 17, 2:44 pm, "Alan Meyer" <amey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Medusa" <Medusa4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1189963368.241185.275570@22g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...
> ...> I became a vegetarian when I found out I did not have to eat meat. I
> > didn't like the taste of meat, and I was delighted to stop eating it.
>
> > That was when I was a teenager; an eon ago! I don't know if my diet
> > has kept me healthier, but more and more evidence says it did.
>
> ...
>
> Medusa,
>
> I have to ask, have you ever been diagnosed with cancer? I know
> full well that a statistical sample of one person is of no use in
> understanding trends, but I'm still curious to know if a lifelong
> vegetarian got PCa.

No cancer. I am not a lifelong vegetarian, though. I stopped eating
meat when I was 16.

I do eat "animal" products, though. Yogurt, some cheese, and eggs,
not on their own, but in other foods.

Medusa

AA #2281

On Sep 18, 1:18 am, "A M L [Manchester England]"
<ab...@rochdale.gov.welt> wrote:
> Medusa <Medusa4...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:1189963368.241185.275570@22g2000hsm.googleg roups.com:
>
> > BUT, plant proteins can be "complimented"
> > to be made "complete." Beans and rice,
> > wheat and peanut butter. . .this is basic
> > vegetarianism. The only nutrient you can't
> > get from plants is Vitamin B12, but milk
> > products are rich in it.
>
> Thanks. I was wondering what he meant. When you say milk, do you mean
> cows milk?

Yes, but I do eat feta cheese, which is made with goats' milk.

> > I became a vegetarian when I found out I did not
> > have to eat meat. I didn't like the taste of meat,
> > and I was delighted to stop eating it.
>
> In fairness, with exceptions, vegetarian food does take longer to cook?

Not really. Vegetarian food can be as simple or compicated as you
like.

> We used to have a myth in the UK, less common nowadays, that there was
> something healthy about a daily midday meal of "meat and 2 veg."
> Vegetarians called this "corpse and 2 veg."

I don't like to critize what other people eat. It's just not, well,
polite. I allow anyone to eat anything in my place, but if I'm
cooking, it won't be meat!

I have heard of people who were vegetarian for religious reasons.
They would not allow their guests to bring fastfood burgers into their
house!

> > That was when I was a teenager; an eon ago! I don't
> > know if my diet has kept me healthier, but more and
> > more evidence says it did.
>
> And if that doesn't make you a vegetarian, try eating a sausage in the
> company of vegetarians: it cannot be done. You put the fork into the
> sausage, and their eyes widen, and at every move, until you leave that
> corpse alone, their eyes open wider and wider.
>
> Not a word was said, and I put the corpse in the bin.

It would be cool with me if you brought a cooked sausage into my
house. I'd even let you use one of my plates!

Medusa

On September 18, HT wrote, in pertinent part:

(snip)

> Alt.support.cancer.prostate is a subset of alt.support.cancer, and
> falls within that alt.group . Main charter:
> http://www.cancersupporters.com/asc/charter.html
>
> The main charter applies to all subsets. See subset index of
> support.cancer at
> http://www.cancersupporters.com/asc/links.html ,
> which includes .prostate..
>
> Hope this helps. By the way, it would be a good idea for a regular to
> post this charter here monthly. It would save a lot of
> discussions/arguments, etc. if trouble ever came here.

(snip)

> Here's what the pertinent parts says. This is the part that needs to
> be posted here periodically:

(snip)

> The Usenet group alt.support.cancer is a resource for those whose
> lives are touched by cancer. The primary purpose of alt.support.cancer
> is for emotional support and discussion among patients and caregivers.
> It is also a place to gather and discuss issues related to cancer and
> the impact it has on patients and caregivers .

Amen.

(snip)

> The newsgroup will prosecute violations of the Charter or FAQ as
> deemed necessary by the group.

Um, good idea, but who/what would be the plaintiff? And exactly what
statute would have been violated? This looks to me to be an idle threat,
however estimable the idea.

> If you have been convicted of health fraud, you are not welcome in
> alt.support.cancer.
>
> Posing as a cancer patient/caregiver for promoting products or
> services is strictly prohibited.
>
> Commercial advertising is prohibited.
>
> Product posts by individuals with a financial or business interest are
> prohibited.
>
> Deceptive posts disguised to conceal other prohibited content are
> prohibited.

Often violated, unfortunately.

(snip)

> Posting to alt.support.cancer:

(snip)

> Please use good netiquette, trim quoted material (long messages) or
> unnecessary cross posting in your replies, and avoid top posting and
> SHOUTING.

Ah. I've been snarled at for daring to say that top posting is impolite.
"Polite" is defined as behavior that is respectful and considerate of
other people. It is also impolite to fail to trim messages, as above.
But there are some who seem to believe that being polite is somehow
unmacho. Lawn fertilizer.

There is much more good sense, but this will do for now.....

Regards,

Steve J

"Moving parts in rubbing contact require lubrication to avoid excessive
wear. Honorifics and formal politeness provide lubrication where people
rub together. Often the very young, the untraveled, the naive, the
unsophisticated deplore these formalities as 'empty, 'meaningless,' or
'dishonest,' and scorn to use them. No matter how 'pure' their motives,
they thereby throw sand into machinery that does not work too well at best."
--Lazarus Long

"Larry Sabo" <larry_sabo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0nk0f3ph69r09iqb2rjfg30nck6lupia0h@4ax.com...
> "Heather" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Jerry, there are NO Charters or Bosses on Usenet. Usually a mild
>>reproof works.......with people whose IQ is over 50.
>
> Hi Heather! I'm sure you meant the "alt." groups of usenet, not all of
> usenet.

Whoops!! Yes I did. I forgot about the other more "normal" groups.
(cough) Although that alt.spyware one tries to make people toe the line
via a charter of sorts..... Good luck to them. (G)

Cheers......Heather

Alan Meyer <ameyer2@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1190138762.076059.151410
@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com:

> But how can you so disappoint such nice people?

I think maybe if they care about you, and/or the animals, then it is
difficult to do something they would never do, in their company.

Can I say thank you for sticking up for me on the advertising issue? As
you say, it was not deliberate.


--
http://broomleigh.com/