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Old 02-24-2007, 04:03 AM
Hugh Kearnley
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Started as a possible PCa-friendly diet to help just me. It's become so much
more than that now.
I have found so MUCH that isn't in the books and booklets - lots of
controversy, lots of pointers and even more controversy. I'm trying now to
tie it all together into a document that might possibly replace those
initial reading booklets to be something much more informative - without the
medical and scientific jargons, the pseudo-semantic exercises in confusion
generated by scientific reports - and much more. Things the Doctors DON'T
or WONT tell us.
I would like to think that with international cooperation from as many PCa
survivors as can be 'bothered' to contribute to this project, we might
achieve a document set in Layman's language rather than any doctor's - that
could be available free of charge to ALL PCa guys, their partners, families
and their friends - nomatter where they come from, paid for by some
charitable or insurance organisation? A document that tells you what PCa -
IS - a document that tells you about angiogenesis in a way that's easy to
understand. A list of reading materials available in all countries; a list
of helpful websites from round the world.
I have included a comprehensive glossary of PCa-related terminologies and
abbreviations that is fairly inclusive. I found that alone to be very
informative.
An essay on dietary recommendations and supplement inclusions by eminent
doctors in that field.
Articles on Vitamin D3, Vitamin E, the roles of Selenium, Vitamin E and
certain of the B Vitamin groups.
Articles on Zinc and the dangers of too much Copper in the diet.
Essay on things to consider and things to avoid. (Can be added to - like
everything else)
A Précis on the diet I suggest - with warnings that it may not be suitable
for all - consult your Cancer Doctor first.
The Four-week diet schedule that lists Breakfasts, Lunches and Dinners
(Suppers)
YOUR suggested recipes.
An add-to list of light snacks and replacement small meals.
The recipe section regarding the 4-week suggested diet schedule and the
suggested snacks. (Can be added to)
Added section of contributors meals suggestions and recipes.
Addenda and Extras sections.
Finally - the REAL section that will perhaps make the medics sit up and take
note that we are NOT Puppies in kennels or rats and mice in boxes to be
experimented on - we are SURVIVORS - and FIGHTERS - We are HUMAN and want to
go on living! - Personal stories - histories since Dx to the present. Not
just from the Tigers fighting this disease, but from their partners,
sisters, brothers, Dads, Mums, uncles, nephews, nieces, Grand-kids - even
their friends.
No-one can ever be forced to divulge personal medical information to a
world-wide public. I realise that, and some guys will prefer to remain
unknown and pass on un-noticed. That's NOT in my field. I'm well prepared to
say what's happened since Dx to the present - but that's all. You are NOT
going to learn who I first dated and when I last had shots for some social
disease.
That's NOT what this is about. (To set your mind at ease - the ONLY social
thing I ever had was crabs!) But that won't appear in the finished document.
Just a simple - I was Dx on - - - date - and my initial treatment was --- I
then had --- side effects were --- and today I am? That's all. Expand it as
you see fit. Your name will not be divulged unless you say it's ok.

I think my own history speaks fore itself - but here it is as it appears in
the project under Section 3 - 'Personal experiences' - this is a GUIDE only
as to what is required. Change your name if you like - just keep the facts
straight and true. They very well may help someone.

Case History No 1.



Hugh Kearnley, born 23d July 1951. Resident in Glasgow, United Kingdom.
Status: Medically retired, Divorced, living alone and loving it. Other
health factors: Diabetic type 2 (Dx 2001) and history of Coronary Heart
disease since 1991. Recurrent back pain since 1982.



"I had an industrial accident in 1982 that has resulted
since in ongoing lower back pains that vary in severity. For those pains, I
had been prescribed a variety of painkilling drugs. For many years, I was
self-medicating these drugs and this probably helped to disguise the initial
symptomatic pains of my cancer.

As the pains became more severe, I consulted a doctor who
diagnosed me with a Urinary tract infection. He prescribed anti-biotic drugs
and stronger painkillers. This continued for about 5 months, the painkillers
prescribed ever getting stronger.

It is entirely possible that my self-medication disguised
some of my symptoms until it was quite late in the day, so I feel that if
anyone is to blame, it's probably myself. It was a PSA test (12th December
2006) - result of 140 - that made my GP Doctor send me to see a Urologist.

Initial consultation with a Urologist was at Glasgow
Gartnavel General Hospital - a Mr Aitchison, who after a DRE, had me
admitted to a ward to get my pain under control with Morphine and other
drugs. I still did not know that I had cancer! I was started too, on
Androgen blockade, and the drug used was called Cyproterone Acetate at 100
mg per day in two doses. (The US name for this drug is:
____________________ ) I just assumed since no-one had deemed to tell me
otherwise, that this was another painkiller!

Once the pain was under control (5 days to have level of
Morphine established) I was allowed home on "Pass" - which I assume meant
that I could come back in at any time) I was sent for a whole-body bone
scan and x-rays. When the result of the bone-scan came through, I was sent
to see the Urologist again - this time a very young foreign doctor who
explained nothing apart from telling me that I had Metastatic PCa and that
the Mets were quite extensive and that I would now have an injection -
goodbye - next patient please? Shock! Utter bemusement! - What - ME -
Cancer? - What - where - why - when - Huh? At first I thought it was a joke
but when a semi-reality set in - I went home and got very drunk indeed.

I was given another drug at the time I was admitted to hospital in
December - called "FLOMAXTRA" (US name: ________________ ) that was given to
help a very restricted and painful urine flow. Wow! - I was back to my
normal fire-hose afterwards without having to get up three and four times in
the night to dribble just a few teaspoons. A full night's sleep - brilliant.

I had my first injection of a drug called an LHRH Analogue - "Triptorelin"
(US name: _________________________ ) and had elected to have the monthly
injection rather than the 3-monthly one.

Some of the side effects were pretty rotten - hot flushes,
hallucinations, shivering fits. The emotional instability - probably the
worst part - sitting reading a book about how a new gun for a tank was
developed - and I burst into tears for no reason - stuff like that. The SE's
went on for long enough - and even on 22nd February I am having some awesome
sweating sessions - both night and day, but worse in the early hours and
have had to change beds a few times during the night.

The 'real' intended effects of the androgen blockade drugs didn't hit
through for a week or so. I noticed no more waking up with an erection in
the morning - not that those did happen every morning. I passed one of those
women you see perhaps once a year - the one that has your hand in your
pocket to suppress the coiled sleeping snake snapping awake.that time, not
any reaction from the wee man! I felt so disappointed - and later, laughed a
bit before bursting into tears yet again. I don't know if all the other
guys were affected like that or if they even had any side-effects.

I knew nothing about this disease and had to go searching
for information from anyone I could find and pester for long enough.

It took another 5 weeks before I saw an Oncologist. I asked a lot of
questions, but got a lot of negative answers. I was supposed to have had
someone there with me at this consultation, but that person didn't make it
and I had no time to arrange for someone else.

I am not eligible to take part in any drug trials because of
my Cardiac history. I had no biopsy because there was no need after the
bone-scan - no Gleason score because there had been no biopsy - no MRI scan
because I was not to be screened for a drugs trial. No CT or Cat scans for
approximately the same reasons. The x-rays have to be re-done because they
were indistinct. That same day I had another PSA bloods done and the result
was 0.3 (from 6th Feb 2007)

The Oncologist wanted me to cut down the Morphine and I
think I overdid it the first night - waking up in a lot of pain about 4 AM.
I'm still experimenting with lower doses to find a satisfactory level.

I'm a pretty big guy - heavy as well as tall and I've lost coming up for
three stones now, since August last year - quite unintentional. My GP says
that losing weight as fast will leave waste products my organs may not be
capable of shifting, but latest bloods say everything looks ok.







My current medications for cancer and cancer-caused pain are:

Triptorelin (Decapeptyl) SR 3 mg injection once monthly.
(US Name: _____________________________ )

Cyproterone Acetate 50 mg tablet once daily at night.
(US Name: _____________________________ )

Tamsulosin (FLOMAXTRA) 0.4 mg one at night. (US Name:
_____________________________ )

Morphine Sulphate 30 mg MST, one 8 AM + one 8 PM

Morphine Sulphate 10 mg (Sevredol) up to 4 each day for breakthrough pain.



Other medications taken regularly are:

Amlodipine 10 mg; Bisoprolol 2.5 mg; Aspirin 150 mg; Isosorbide MonoNitrate
20 mg; Lipitor 40 mg; Metformin 2 G.

As required: Co-Dydramol 10/500



Supplements I take are:

Milk Thistle

Green Tea Extract

Pomegranate Extract

Vitamin E - 800 iu per day

Vitamin D3 - 3,000 iu per day

Vitamin B strong complex - 1 tab daily.

Vitamin C - 1 x 500 mg chewable daily.

Nearly forgot - 200 micrograms Selenium first thing on waking.

Considering a Lycopeine supplement when I can find one in UK.

That's All Folks!

I get the feeling that some information has been withheld and my treatment
isn't all it might be. I will update this as and when new information of
relevance comes to light"

22nd February 07.



************************************************** ****





Case History No 2.













Case History No 3.







Case History No 4. - and so on.



If you think that your experiences may help to inform someone else - please
respond.

I'd also like the Experts in our group to look hard and correct whatever
they see is wrong.

As I say in my introduction to the project - I'm a Baby at this disease. I
need the grown-up boys & girls to set me right.



Those already with the project:

LEAH,

HEATHER,

JOHN LOOMIS.



Thankyou for your time.

HUGHIE.




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Old 02-24-2007, 04:03 AM
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:47:08 -0000, "Hugh Kearnley"
<hughkearnley@btinternet.com> wrote:

<snip....a veritable BLOG!>

Perhaps you should do one?

-Please reply to group as my email addr is fake!

-Regards CC
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Old 02-24-2007, 04:03 AM
Hugh Kearnley
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You've lost me there CC. Sorry.
I think you got me screwed up with someone else.
I never wrote anything about a BLOG nor mentioned a BLOG.
Sure you aint had too much exposure to - er - smoke? - Pub fumes maybe?
Lookin forward to your -excuse.
HUGH KEARNLEY.



"Clarence Crow" <crow@perch.biz> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:47:08 -0000, "Hugh Kearnley"
> <hughkearnley@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> <snip....a veritable BLOG!>
>
> Perhaps you should do one?
>
> -Please reply to group as my email addr is fake!
>
> -Regards CC



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Old 02-26-2007, 12:42 AM
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Hugh Kearnley wrote:

> You've lost me there CC. Sorry.
> I think you got me screwed up with someone else.
> I never wrote anything about a BLOG nor mentioned a BLOG.
> Sure you aint had too much exposure to - er - smoke? - Pub fumes maybe?
> Lookin forward to your -excuse.


I think he's suggesting that you put it on a web page (your own or a free
blog).
You may even have one included with your BT account - ready for you to make
one up.

Seems to me that there was talk here, from time to time, about a FAQ
(frequently asked questions), so answers don't have to be repeated each
time someone new posts.

That would be a great place for Joe's Post Prostatectomy Paraphernalia as
well and some favorite websites

Now there's a project and a can of worms; everyone agreeing on what should
be in it and what not.
Without one being as long as "War and Peace".
Then deciding where it will be stored and usually should be mirrored (exact
copy) elsewhere.

Here's a simple one. http://www.cancersupporters.com/ascb.html
If you go "View" and select "Source" (in any section) you'll see the HTML
code.

Before you dive into such, best wait for your CT scan. Time might be too
short for you to spend on that. Better you spend time walking with your
cat. Or partying.
By the way, how in the dickens can you walk 7 km with a cat (safely)?
I'm out in the country and my cat walks me. She runs when she wants to,
stops and burrows in brush for mice, while I patiently wait, then she runs
up hill and dale, while dragging me behind on the leash and there's an ever
present danger of cat killing dogs and panthers.
And she's afraid of cars, people and dogs, so we go out in the night
instead when it's quieter.
J


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Old 02-26-2007, 12:42 AM
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 02:20:28 -0000, "Hugh Kearnley"
<hughkearnley@btinternet.com> wrote:

>You've lost me there CC. Sorry.
>I think you got me screwed up with someone else.
>I never wrote anything about a BLOG nor mentioned a BLOG.


your project is shouting BLOG!!, is yearning to BE a blog!!

I haven't a clue how it's done but a very quick search gives you an
overview

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog

and masses of stuff returned by a google search - there's even a
blogger help group at

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/blogger-help?hl=en

I don't know how computerate you are Hughie but getting to grips with
it and setting up a blog could be a worthwhile sub-project perhaps?

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Old 02-26-2007, 12:42 AM
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I've kept a blog on my Australia trips for a few years now -- it's
mostly for friends and the parents of the students I take with me. I
also started a blog about my cancer experience -- again, mostly for my
friends. You can see them at:

http://chazjac.blogspot.com (The Australia trips 2004-2006)

http://chazjaccancer.blogspot.com (PCa)

Both are works in progess. They are nothing fancy, and I don't hold
them up as models at all. But they are easy enough to set up.

(By the way, if someone does take a look at the cancer blog and has
suggestions, feel free to drop me a line about it,)

I'm wondering, though, if Hugh's vision would have a better online
life as a wiki?

--charlie

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Old 02-26-2007, 12:42 AM
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> By the way, how in the dickens can you walk 7 km with a cat (safely)?


Oh lord - I was ON something last night...or the brain is starting to
go...got emotional over bugger-all. Thinking seriously about an Orchiectomy
and stop using these bloody hormones. The nuts are no use to me now anyway.

Cat-Walking - I 'bought' a small supermarket trolley for £1 - can't be
accused of stealing it -Tiger's a pretty big cat and very muscular -
adapted trolley to hold his travel box and now he goes out in comfort. Night
time is normally when we go out - or very early. I live next to a golf
course and 7 km is roughly the distance around - paved paths. He gets out on
his lead once we're away from traffic - never gets off it - about twenty
feet of lead. He gets plenty of scope without him getting too far for me to
quickly haul him back if I suspect one of the damn foxes is about. The kids
think it's great and they take him out too when they visit.

Regarding a 'BLOG' or whatever - I'm not that good with computers. My limit
is word processing, databases and spreadsheets - and email. The odd game and
my flight simulator. I don't think I want to perhaps waste time learning to
do something new that I might not have time to put to use - when I could be
out with my pals in the fresh air fishing and spinning the banter and having
'real' fun.


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Old 02-26-2007, 12:42 AM
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Hugh Kearnley wrote:

> > By the way, how in the dickens can you walk 7 km with a cat (safely)?

>
> Oh lord - I was ON something last night...or the brain is starting to
> go...got emotional over bugger-all. Thinking seriously about an Orchiectomy
> and stop using these bloody hormones. The nuts are no use to me now anyway.


Well it's surgery and with your health picture I doubt they'd do it.
It's irreversible; you could regret it.
Looks like the side effects are the same.
<http://www.upmccancercenters.com/cancer/prostate/hormoneorchtherapy.html>

> Cat-Walking - I 'bought' a small supermarket trolley for £1 - can't be
> accused of stealing it -Tiger's a pretty big cat and very muscular -
> adapted trolley to hold his travel box and now he goes out in comfort. Night
> time is normally when we go out - or very early. I live next to a golf
> course and 7 km is roughly the distance around - paved paths. He gets out on
> his lead once we're away from traffic - never gets off it - about twenty
> feet of lead. He gets plenty of scope without him getting too far for me to
> quickly haul him back if I suspect one of the damn foxes is about. The kids
> think it's great and they take him out too when they visit.


Trolley sounds perfect for your area and I see you keep within your reach.
The leash I use is oh 12 or more feet long. So she's all black and the cougars
that sometimes wander are also black or I can't "haul" too good (sometimes
she'll come if I tug at the leash, and sometimes she digs her heels in and looks
behind her, instead of running towards me, and I have to run towards her if
attach dogs are out offleash, which they're not supposed to. And there's a risk,
with the panthers, but I'm told since it's agricultural here, we're supposed to
not go walking at exactly the times you and I do. So I'm constantly watching
out for dogs or panthers "sneaking up" or about to lunge on us.
The trolley would not work here. It's not flatland. It's literally "hill and
dale and woods" where we go walking.
So it's risky and slightly nerve-wracking, but quality of life for both of us.

> Regarding a 'BLOG' or whatever - I'm not that good with computers. My limit
> is word processing, databases and spreadsheets - and email. The odd game and
> my flight simulator. I don't think I want to perhaps waste time learning to
> do something new that I might not have time to put to use - when I could be
> out with my pals in the fresh air fishing and spinning the banter and having
> 'real' fun.


That's okay, Hughie. Understandable.
I have an idea.
You could type a summary of your cancer into Notepad.
Then copy and paste it at the bottom of each of your posts. as if it's a
signature.


Example - below...(start with two hyphens and a space (that indicates a
signature). Some newsreader software strips them off. Others don't but you would
be best to bottom post if using a signature.
So you could have the Notepad open and copy and paste if and when desired.
And if you finalize the food/diet thing, and post it complete once. I'll provide
you with a link so you can put it in your summary/signautre, if you wish.
How's this idea, Hughie?
J

- -
I'm Hughie from Scotland; Age 54
My interests:
Diagnosed with PCA Date: PSA was 140
Too advanced for surgery nor biopsy; so Gleason unknown
Current Treatment Regimen
Once a month injections of Decapeptyl (Triptorelin) for the Hormone therapy.
<http://www.cancerbackup.org.uk/Treatments/Hormonaltherapies/Individualhormonaltherapies/Triptorelin>

and Cyproterone daily
<http://www.cancerbackup.org.uk/Treatments/Hormonaltherapies/Individualhormonaltherapies/Cyproterone>

Current PSA: Date:
Current PSA: Date:
Current PSA: Date:
Other Meds for other things: Aspirin, Amlodipine, Isosorbide-Mononitrate,
Furusemide, Metformin, Bisoprolol and pain medications.
Known extensive bone metastases
Awaiting CT Scan Date:
Hour long appointment booked with my personal Dietician on 7th March



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Old 02-26-2007, 12:42 AM
Hugh Kearnley
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HEY! - now that sounds very reasonable - even to a dummy like me!
Thanks a bunch J

Why - incidentally would I regret NOT having my Bollocks anymore? They don't
work now and I'm determined not to have any more relationships. I couldn't
care less now about the previously lovely big hairy things! Only use now is
for scratching them when I wake up! The ONLY nightmare scenario would be
someone inventing a cure tomorrow afternoon after I had them lopped off and
me changing my mind about a new relationship - Hey - where's your balls
gone? Oops - sorry pet - your tits arent that big either....and we have
another disaster.. Nope - single forever and get the nuts off. Doesn't
affect fishing, the cat or playing the organ at the Church. MOST important -
stop the emotionals caused by the damn drugs.
Hughie


"J" <nexsw@nvalid,anon> wrote in message
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> Hugh Kearnley wrote:
>
>> > By the way, how in the dickens can you walk 7 km with a cat (safely)?

>>
>> Oh lord - I was ON something last night...or the brain is starting to
>> go...got emotional over bugger-all. Thinking seriously about an
>> Orchiectomy
>> and stop using these bloody hormones. The nuts are no use to me now
>> anyway.

>
> Well it's surgery and with your health picture I doubt they'd do it.
> It's irreversible; you could regret it.
> Looks like the side effects are the same.
> <http://www.upmccancercenters.com/cancer/prostate/hormoneorchtherapy.html>
>
>> Cat-Walking - I 'bought' a small supermarket trolley for £1 - can't be
>> accused of stealing it -Tiger's a pretty big cat and very muscular -
>> adapted trolley to hold his travel box and now he goes out in comfort.
>> Night
>> time is normally when we go out - or very early. I live next to a golf
>> course and 7 km is roughly the distance around - paved paths. He gets out
>> on
>> his lead once we're away from traffic - never gets off it - about twenty
>> feet of lead. He gets plenty of scope without him getting too far for me
>> to
>> quickly haul him back if I suspect one of the damn foxes is about. The
>> kids
>> think it's great and they take him out too when they visit.

>
> Trolley sounds perfect for your area and I see you keep within your reach.
> The leash I use is oh 12 or more feet long. So she's all black and the
> cougars
> that sometimes wander are also black or I can't "haul" too good (sometimes
> she'll come if I tug at the leash, and sometimes she digs her heels in and
> looks
> behind her, instead of running towards me, and I have to run towards her
> if
> attach dogs are out offleash, which they're not supposed to. And there's a
> risk,
> with the panthers, but I'm told since it's agricultural here, we're
> supposed to
> not go walking at exactly the times you and I do. So I'm constantly
> watching
> out for dogs or panthers "sneaking up" or about to lunge on us.
> The trolley would not work here. It's not flatland. It's literally "hill
> and
> dale and woods" where we go walking.
> So it's risky and slightly nerve-wracking, but quality of life for both of
> us.
>
>> Regarding a 'BLOG' or whatever - I'm not that good with computers. My
>> limit
>> is word processing, databases and spreadsheets - and email. The odd game
>> and
>> my flight simulator. I don't think I want to perhaps waste time learning
>> to
>> do something new that I might not have time to put to use - when I could
>> be
>> out with my pals in the fresh air fishing and spinning the banter and
>> having
>> 'real' fun.

>
> That's okay, Hughie. Understandable.
> I have an idea.
> You could type a summary of your cancer into Notepad.
> Then copy and paste it at the bottom of each of your posts. as if it's a
> signature.
>
>
> Example - below...(start with two hyphens and a space (that indicates a
> signature). Some newsreader software strips them off. Others don't but you
> would
> be best to bottom post if using a signature.
> So you could have the Notepad open and copy and paste if and when desired.
> And if you finalize the food/diet thing, and post it complete once. I'll
> provide
> you with a link so you can put it in your summary/signautre, if you wish.
> How's this idea, Hughie?
> J
>
> - -
> I'm Hughie from Scotland; Age 54
> My interests:
> Diagnosed with PCA Date: PSA was 140
> Too advanced for surgery nor biopsy; so Gleason unknown
> Current Treatment Regimen
> Once a month injections of Decapeptyl (Triptorelin) for the Hormone
> therapy.
> <http://www.cancerbackup.org.uk/Treatments/Hormonaltherapies/Individualhormonaltherapies/Triptorelin>
>
> and Cyproterone daily
> <http://www.cancerbackup.org.uk/Treatments/Hormonaltherapies/Individualhormonaltherapies/Cyproterone>
>
> Current PSA: Date:
> Current PSA: Date:
> Current PSA: Date:
> Other Meds for other things: Aspirin, Amlodipine, Isosorbide-Mononitrate,
> Furusemide, Metformin, Bisoprolol and pain medications.
> Known extensive bone metastases
> Awaiting CT Scan Date:
> Hour long appointment booked with my personal Dietician on 7th March
>
>
>



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Old 02-26-2007, 12:42 AM
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Hugh Kearnley wrote:
> MOST important -
> stop the emotionals caused by the damn drugs.


I hate to break the news, but the emotions are caused by andropause --
your lack of testosterone -- not by the drugs. Dropping the drugs and
your cods just make the logistics simpler; it won't change your SEs much.

I.P.
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Old 02-26-2007, 12:42 AM
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I frequently have conscience hits about my Tiger. He really doesn't like
being outside after a face-on meeting with a dog-fox when he was just weeks
old. I really DONT like cats - I prefer dogs in my life and always had dogs.
I got Tiger by an accident - rescued from a drowning when I got mad and
kicked the shit out of the subhuman arse trying to take life.
Tiger is now my constant companion - NO idea if he realises my rescue of
him - all the other little kitties were already floating quietly. His wee
bro's and sisters just not living anymore.
I can't even go to the toilet, but he follows me there - funnily - the wee
beast even looks into the potty after I've done my business! Ha! The wee
guys antics just amuse me no end and he is SUCH a Honey - in bed - he creeps
up and pounces on my chest - looks down ito my eyes SO HARD - as if to say -
trying to analyse me - 'Who the fuck are you?'
I begin to suspect that Cats have a far more familiarity and knowledge of
us - than is entirely proper.
A DOG - just feed him, take him for walkies and he's yours for life. A
CAT? - different.
I took the Tiger to the veterinary and initial advice was that he was too
young to survive - 'gentle advice' - let him go.
I gotta HUGE survival instinct.
Took the wee thing home he was just over two weeks old.
Bottle fed - spent all my hours on making him viable - and now? Vet quakes
when she sees him! He's HUGE!
I'll quote a photo site you can see a picture of him as a six- month
kitten - he is very photogenic and KNOWS when his picture is being taken -
total arse - he poses.
As I said - I live in a high position and the best that my wee Tiger gets,
is now when I take him out.
He's caught a few pigeons and on one fraught day - a seagull that threatened
to take-off with him gripping on to it. (Off the balconies) He DID the
'business' though and killed it.
The Postman hates the Tiger - he rushes to the door when he hears a rustle
at the letterbox - postman now - after several shredded fingers - just
shoves things through and swiftly goes after a loud knock!
That's my wee Tiger - and I love the little sod SO much. It's not so much
that he's a pet - the little fuck 'owns' me. I'm just here for HIS
convenience - and it's that sheer arrogance of his that makes me love the
bloody Tiger SO much. He's not interested in cancer - just gives me a hard
pawing to say - wake up Daddy - get my breakfast right now! His 'singing'
is very entertaining too. - and he LOVES watching football on TV with me -
big widescreen TV and he chases after the ball - often more entertaning than
the actual match.



> Trolley sounds perfect for your area and I see you keep within your reach.
> The leash I use is oh 12 or more feet long. So she's all black and the
> cougars
> that sometimes wander are also black or I can't "haul" too good (sometimes
> she'll come if I tug at the leash, and sometimes she digs her heels in and
> looks
> behind her, instead of running towards me, and I have to run towards her
> if
> attach dogs are out offleash, which they're not supposed to. And there's a
> risk,
> with the panthers, but I'm told since it's agricultural here, we're
> supposed to
> not go walking at exactly the times you and I do. So I'm constantly
> watching
> out for dogs or panthers "sneaking up" or about to lunge on us.
> The trolley would not work here. It's not flatland. It's literally "hill
> and
> dale and woods" where we go walking.
> So it's risky and slightly nerve-wracking, but quality of life for both of
> us.



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Old 02-26-2007, 12:42 AM
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 02:20:28 -0000, "Hugh Kearnley"
<hughkearnley@btinternet.com> wrote:

>You've lost me there CC. Sorry.
>I think you got me screwed up with someone else.
>I never wrote anything about a BLOG nor mentioned a BLOG.
>Sure you aint had too much exposure to - er - smoke? - Pub fumes maybe?
>Lookin forward to your -excuse.
>HUGH KEARNLEY.
>
>
>
>"Clarence Crow" <crow@perch.biz> wrote in message
>news:d57vt2t68bgcesbf16oqtuu8tkui5eqdba@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:47:08 -0000, "Hugh Kearnley"
>> <hughkearnley@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip....a veritable BLOG!>
>>
>> Perhaps you should do one?
>>
>> -Please reply to group as my email addr is fake!
>>
>> -Regards CC

>

Perhaps I'm too terse at nearly 72 yrs old
What I wished to convey was that your "Project" would sit better in a
Blog than in a newsgroup message.
Others in this ng have felt the need/urge to express themselves in
detail and have done it that way.


-Please reply to group as my email addr is fake!

-Regards CC
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Old 02-26-2007, 12:42 AM
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Hugh Kearnley wrote:
> I'm trying now to
> tie it all together into a document that might possibly replace those
> initial reading booklets to be something much more informative - without the
> medical and scientific jargons, the pseudo-semantic exercises in confusion
> generated by scientific reports - and much more. Things the Doctors DON'T
> or WONT tell us.


There are 15-20 other good PC books on the market, including some on PC
diets and one titled "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Prostate
Cancer". I'm preparing a list of several of them.

> Vitamin E - 800 iu per day


Risky over 200 I.U. for most people.

> Vitamin D3 - 3,000 iu per day


Risky for most PC pts because it's usually accompanied by calcium at
levels risky for them. If I recall correctly even that much D3 by itself
is too much.

More to follow.

I.P.
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Old 02-26-2007, 12:42 AM
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Yes but anyway but ....

I'm trying to get an International and FREE publication - no money required
book(let) that condenses as much as possible into as short a space as
possible - giving QUICK information in an organised manner that isn't
available elsewhere else as a single SHORT document. Something that does
away with confusing double-talk semantics, medical jargon and whatever else
is confusing.
The ONLY way to do that - IMHO - is to involve as many survivors as possible
in it's writing - from all over the Earth.
Where you see something that's obviously wrong or suspect - it's YOUR
responsibility to change it to what YOU know as factually correct - for the
sake of the yet undiagnosed following behind us.
DO by all means - include as many references to other works as you like.
I started this - as I said - as a diet for myself - not for anyone else -
but realised that with some extra application, it could just MAYBE help
other people too.
ALL interpolations to the project - are wanted and will be helpfull.
All criticisms most gratefully accepted - even 'shout-downs' Keep the rest
coming!
But - away to bed now - skipping church tomorrow - weather forecast is for
sun and a light southerly wind. I'm going fishing - and taking Tiger with
me!
Goo-nite!
Hughie.


"I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddaboutit@noway.nohow> wrote in message
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> Hugh Kearnley wrote:
>> I'm trying now to tie it all together into a document that might possibly
>> replace those initial reading booklets to be something much more
>> informative - without the medical and scientific jargons, the
>> pseudo-semantic exercises in confusion generated by scientific reports -
>> and much more. Things the Doctors DON'T or WONT tell us.

>
> There are 15-20 other good PC books on the market, including some on PC
> diets and one titled "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Prostate
> Cancer". I'm preparing a list of several of them.
>
>> Vitamin E - 800 iu per day

>
> Risky over 200 I.U. for most people.
>
>> Vitamin D3 - 3,000 iu per day

>
> Risky for most PC pts because it's usually accompanied by calcium at
> levels risky for them. If I recall correctly even that much D3 by itself
> is too much.
>
> More to follow.
>
> I.P.



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Old 02-26-2007, 12:42 AM
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Hugh Kearnley wrote:

> I got Tiger by an accident - rescued from a drowning when I got mad and
> kicked the shit out of the subhuman arse trying to take life.


Then picture this: A guy is at a public park, repeatedly throwing
loooong American-football-style passes out into the lake, with one
difference: the "football" is a puppy and the guy explains to observers
that he's teaching it to swim. The reporter taking pictures of this is
told to bug off. It finally drowned, of course, because no one had the
backbone to confront the guy and put a stop to it. That's the direction
our country is heading both locally and globally -- everybody just wants
to understand and negotiate with miscreants and condemn or even
prosecute those who stand up to them -- and I find it disgusting and
very dangerous on every level from car prowlers to Ahmadinejad.

Take great care of Tiger and make sure while you're still able that he's
provided for after you're not; we're taking legal, financial, and
practical steps right now to provide for our dogs when we no longer can.

I.P.
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Old 02-26-2007, 12:42 AM
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In my Will - witten just a couppla weeks past - Tiger goes to the sister of
an old chum. She lives in the country and he just MIGHT get the opportunity
to do some of the things he's missed out on all these years. He goes
attached to a handsome 'dowry' that should pay for veterinary bills and food
for a long time. He's the ONLY one I've made any provision for. I'm hoping
he'll be with me at the end - whenever that is. Big comfortable warm and
loving thing to cuddle as I drift out. Tiger sleeps in my armpit every
night after a severe licking at my armpit for some salt! - It's like a
glasspaper rub! Face rubs and a taste at what I had for supper before he
settles down. - Oh - he snores. (and farts)

> Take great care of Tiger and make sure while you're still able that he's
> provided for after you're not; we're taking legal, financial, and
> practical steps right now to provide for our dogs when we no longer can.
>
> I.P.



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Old 02-26-2007, 12:43 AM
J
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Hugh Kearnley wrote:

> Why - incidentally would I regret NOT having my Bollocks anymore? They don't
> work now and I'm determined not to have any more relationships. I couldn't
> care less now about the previously lovely big hairy things! Only use now is
> for scratching them when I wake up! The ONLY nightmare scenario would be
> someone inventing a cure tomorrow afternoon after I had them lopped off and
> me changing my mind about a new relationship - Hey - where's your balls
> gone? Oops - sorry pet - your tits arent that big either....and we have
> another disaster.. Nope - single forever and get the nuts off. Doesn't
> affect fishing, the cat or playing the organ at the Church. MOST important -
> stop the emotionals caused by the damn drugs.
> Hughie


As somebody else said you still get the emotionals and other side effects.
Who knows; if the meds stops working, you could run into Ms Perfect (for Hughie) and want some quality
time.
Or feel that erection in the a.m. The groin is a great hand warmer as well.
J

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Old 02-26-2007, 12:43 AM
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Hugh Kearnley wrote:

> HEY! - now that sounds very reasonable - even to a dummy like me!
> Thanks a bunch J
>
> "J" <nexsw@nvalid,anon> wrote in message
> > I have an idea.
> > You could type a summary of your cancer into Notepad.
> > Then copy and paste it at the bottom of each of your posts. as if it's a
> > signature.
> >
> >
> > Example - below...(start with two hyphens and a space (that indicates a
> > signature). You would be best to bottom post if using a signature.
> > So you could have the Notepad open and copy and paste if and when desired.
> > And if you finalize the food/diet thing, and post it complete once. I'll
> > provide
> > you with a link so you can put it in your summary/signautre, if you wish.
> > How's this idea, Hughie?
> > J
> >
> > - -
> > I'm Hughie from Scotland; Age 54
> > My interests:
> > Diagnosed with PCA Date: PSA was 140
> > Too advanced for surgery nor biopsy; so Gleason unknown
> > Current Treatment Regimen
> > Once a month injections of Decapeptyl (Triptorelin) for the Hormone
> > therapy.
> > Triptorelin acts by lowering the level of testosterone in the body. Triptorelin reduces the production

> of luteinising hormone, so the levels of testosterone fall.
> > This may result in shrinkage or slowing down of the growth of the cancer.>

> <http://www.cancerbackup.org.uk/Treatments/Hormonaltherapies/Individualhormonaltherapies/Triptorelin>
> >
> > and Cyproterone daily
> > Cyprostat may also be given to help reduce hot flushes in men who are having LHRH analogues, > or who

> have had their testicles removed (orchiectomy) as part of their treatment.
> > <http://www.cancerbackup.org.uk/Treatments/Hormonaltherapies/Individualhormonaltherapies/Cyproterone>
> >
> > Current PSA: Date:
> > Current PSA: Date:
> > Current PSA: Date:
> > Other Meds for other things: Aspirin, Amlodipine, Isosorbide-Mononitrate,
> > Furusemide, Metformin, Bisoprolol and pain medications.
> > Known extensive bone metastases
> > Awaiting CT Scan Date:
> > Hour long appointment booked with my personal Dietician on 7th March


In case Hughie's forgotten about this, when he wakes up.
J

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Old 02-26-2007, 12:43 AM
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"I.P. Freely" wrote:

> Hugh Kearnley wrote:
> > I'm trying now to
> > tie it all together into a document that might possibly replace those
> > initial reading booklets to be something much more informative - without the
> > medical and scientific jargons, the pseudo-semantic exercises in confusion
> > generated by scientific reports - and much more. Things the Doctors DON'T
> > or WONT tell us.

>
> There are 15-20 other good PC books on the market, including some on PC
> diets and one titled "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Prostate
> Cancer". I'm preparing a list of several of them.
>
> > Vitamin E - 800 iu per day

>
> Risky over 200 I.U. for most people.
>
> > Vitamin D3 - 3,000 iu per day

>
> Risky for most PC pts because it's usually accompanied by calcium at
> levels risky for them. If I recall correctly even that much D3 by itself
> is too much.
>
> More to follow.
>
> I.P.


Okay well, then as someone else suggested, he should post the document to
alt.test.
Then I or others will provide a link to it, so that this newsgroup isn't
frequently deluged with very long posts.
J

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Old 02-26-2007, 12:43 AM
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:39:22 -0000, "Hugh Kearnley"
<hughkearnley@btinternet.com> wrote:

>The ONLY way to do that - IMHO - is to involve as many survivors as possible
>in it's writing - from all over the Earth.



...a wiki then, as Charlie suggests - a blog is probably too
egocentric..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki

...lacking the skills myself I know what you mean about putting in the
time needed to work it all out.....maybe someone else in this coterie
can help?
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Old 02-26-2007, 12:43 AM
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> alt.test.
> Then I or others will provide a link to it, so that this newsgroup isn't
> frequently deluged with very long posts.
> J
>


Why? What's wrong with his posts right where they are. Several of us
have expressed the opinion that we feel it to be a worthwhile project,
whether done only by him or as a joint venture. Sure Hugh could do a
Blog or post elsewhere but I for one would miss his posts a lot. He is
in a pickle, as are many of us here, he comes here for support and to
ask questions and is trying to get his project off the ground in an
attempt to provide a benefit to others here. He is colorful, fluent, and
when he goes off-topic a bit----------so what. So why should he have to
come to this site to say one thing, then off somewhere else to post
about his project, and then perhaps to another site yet when the topic
of Tiger comes up. It's good to see the human side of some of us.
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Old 02-26-2007, 12:43 AM
J
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rosbif wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:39:22 -0000, "Hugh Kearnley"
> <hughkearnley@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >The ONLY way to do that - IMHO - is to involve as many survivors as possible
> >in it's writing - from all over the Earth.

>
> ..a wiki then, as Charlie suggests - a blog is probably too
> egocentric..
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
>
> ..lacking the skills myself I know what you mean about putting in the
> time needed to work it all out.....maybe someone else in this coterie
> can help?


Too much learning and I think wiki requires citations and votes.
He's better off doing it on newsgroups, IMO
J

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"Bob C." wrote:

> > alt.test.
> > Then I or others will provide a link to it, so that this newsgroup isn't
> > frequently deluged with very long posts.
> > J
> >

>
> Why? What's wrong with his posts right where they are. Several of us
> have expressed the opinion that we feel it to be a worthwhile project,
> whether done only by him or as a joint venture. Sure Hugh could do a
> Blog or post elsewhere but I for one would miss his posts a lot. He is
> in a pickle, as are many of us here, he comes here for support and to
> ask questions and is trying to get his project off the ground in an
> attempt to provide a benefit to others here. He is colorful, fluent, and
> when he goes off-topic a bit----------so what. So why should he have to
> come to this site to say one thing, then off somewhere else to post
> about his project, and then perhaps to another site yet when the topic
> of Tiger comes up. It's good to see the human side of some of us.


Just the "Metastatic Prostate Cancer Diet vs. 1.1 (Revision 3a) "
( Message from discussion Ignore this - testing to see if format survives
usenet.)
for formatting and other reasons.
Some older News servers and posting software limit the size of an individual
post to an arbitrary size (64K for example).
We found that out when posting while creating the alt.support.cancer's FAQ
In addition, some people's ISP service is billed by hourly use. Long posts dig
into their usenet experience (ie limit how long they can spend on a
newsgroup).or they pay extra each hour once over the maximum .

Site? This is a newsgroup. He knows; all he's got to do is add alt.test to
his newsgroup list or click on this news.alt.test to post his test posts
there.
J

And for Hughie, I see you mentioned PDF format.
Some people cannot read PDF's. (each for varied reasons).

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J wrote:

> Site? This is a newsgroup. He knows; all he's got to do is add alt.test to
> his newsgroup list or click on this news:alt.test to post his test posts
> there.
> I made a correction above, so it's highlighted. Some can subscribe by clicking
> on it.
>
> And for Hughie, I see you mentioned PDF format.
> Some people cannot read PDF's. (each for varied reasons).


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Old 02-26-2007, 12:43 AM
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For those that do not have Adobe pdf reader (which is bloatware at about
20 meg)......here is a very good alternative that I have been using for
a couple of months now. Called Foxit Reader. It is just as good as
Adobe and totally free....not to mention only 1.5 meg.

http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

Cheers....Heather

PS......there were security problems with all versions of Adobe Reader
other than the latest version 8. So you might want to do as I
did.....switch to Foxit. Or if you insist.....d/l version 8 of Adobe,
lol.

"J" <nexsw@nvalid,anon> wrote in message
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>J wrote:
>
>> And for Hughie, I see you mentioned PDF format.
>> Some people cannot read PDF's. (each for varied reasons).

>



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Old 02-26-2007, 12:43 AM
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Default Wills


"Hugh Kearnley" <hughkearnley@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> In my Will - witten just a couppla weeks past - Tiger goes to the sister
> of an old chum. She lives in the country and he just MIGHT get the
> opportunity to do some of the things he's missed out on all these years.
> He goes attached to a handsome 'dowry' that should pay for veterinary
> bills and food for a long time. He's the ONLY one I've made any provision
> for.


An excellent topic about which I do not recall ever being discussed.

You, Hugh, and I are going to need some help down the line. The longer we
get good help, the longer we stay out of the miserable nursing homes. In
your case, you have no wife. In mine, just moving to the condo of her
dreams made her catatonic for months. She will never be able to handle a
6'6", 330 pound man dying of cancer -- not by herself.

So, someone, I pray, will step up, and in doing so will earn his/her weight
in my worldly estate. How to we provide for those who provided for us,
especially when we do not know who that will be?

Probably rhetorical, but an interesting dilemma on my part.


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Old 02-26-2007, 12:43 AM
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Steve Kramer wrote:

>
> You, Hugh, and I are going to need some help down the line. The longer we
> get good help, the longer we stay out of the miserable nursing homes. In
> your case, you have no wife. In mine, just moving to the condo of her
> dreams made her catatonic for months. She will never be able to handle a
> 6'6", 330 pound man dying of cancer -- not by herself.
>
> So, someone, I pray, will step up, and in doing so will earn his/her weight
> in my worldly estate. How to we provide for those who provided for us,
> especially when we do not know who that will be?
>
> Probably rhetorical, but an interesting dilemma on my part.


We just spent a couple of weeks researching living trusts, which
essentially and legally eliminate inheritance and estate taxes and make
sure our money, possessions, and pets go where WE -- not the courts --
want them to go, and in weeks . . . not the years probation can take.
Wills do a poor job of all of those in most U.S. states.

The bookstores have many entries in the living trust topic; we chose the
highly rated Quicken Willmaker Plus 2007 book by NOLO Press, which
includes a CD and claims the ability to generate trusts and many related
documents for your needs, valid in any U.S. state according to its
specific laws. We ultimately chose to use a law firm specializing in
trusts to actually create our trust, and the book was a superb source of
clear, thorough information that helped us achieve the product we
wanted. Ours addresses the potential of entering a nursing home, and
provides legal means of sheltering much of one's estate from the
government while allowing Medicare to fund the nursing home.

The whole process was far simpler and quicker than learning about and
acting on my PC.

I.P.
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Old 02-26-2007, 12:43 AM
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Looks like I opened a can of worms with this.
Maybe I shouldda left the lid on...

I posted it already to alt.test to 'TEST' it! came out as I expected - all
formatting lost. No pictures. So rest more talk of alt.test please? I
realise now that posting it here in this group was probably a mistake and
took up far too much bandwidth for some people to be comfortable with. If
you don't want to read my posts - killfile me. I won't mind. I don't care
if I'm posting and no-one reads me at all - I'm getting things off my mind
and into cyberspace. That said - it's a great comfort to communicate and
have someone on this same shitty trip going through at least some of the
crap - and some guy or gal going through much worse - to reply and make me
feel part of things instead of being alone with it - (which a lot of the
time now since a while back I had some severe fall-outs with my families -)
is the norm. Church and my fishing group is just about all I've got to lean
on right now - apart from you guys. I've yet to meet the local Glasgow
support group people in person - when that happens - I'll maybe stop
'whining' here as much. However - my choice to be living the way I do it.
Despite it's obvious setbacks - I actually do enjoy being on my own most of
the time. I do a lot of editing work on papers for Strathclyde University
(English Language and the use of it ONLY) and I get a boost to my industrial
pension which allows little luxuries like the internet. I NEED to be on my
own with peace and quiet to understand what people are trying to convey
(Lots of foreign students and lecturers) This is getting to be a book on
it's own...fuck.

My ORIGINAL idea, I'll say it - maybe repeating myself again - ORIGINAL idea
was to see if anyone would like it emailed - so they could add to it, point
out my mistakes, make corrections, re-arrange the sections, add their own
tuppenceworths, and if not overshy - add their own stories to what would
hopefully be a good reading list of things we've gone through and the things
the doctors don't tell you. NOT written just by myself, but co-authored by
everyone who contributed to it.
The corrected and ammended project would be emailed back to me with the
co-author's insertions.
Then - once it was all sorted and professionally looked over and edited,
we'd end up with something pretty fantastic - that could be freely handed
out to ALL PCa guys, their partners, families, friends - giving so MUCH more
pertinent INTERNATIONAL information than most all of the booklets - but not
in as much technical detail or with so much medical jargon that makes most
of the available information very difficult to comprehend - ESPECIALLY for a
beginner - like ME. I find that most of the FEW books I have already read
are far too technical and in MY judgement - beyond the understanding of your
average Joe petrol station attendant, food packer in a Mall or any other of
the millions of guys out there who are not as literary capable as almost
anyone in this group. An ability to intelligently grasp basic facts is one
thing, but when you overpower the less articulate in our communities with
jargon that's not adequately explained - you LOSE the attention of these
guys - their ability to understand what they have been sentenced with - and
condemn them to an earlier death through ignorance.
I am caring enough to have thought this out and that it might have been
something worthwhile doing. I reckoned the Humanitarian thing and Christian
thing to do was that while I had time - try to make things better understood
in an easier way.
I'm deeply sorry for having caused as much consternation
Looks as though I made a bad miscalculation and have caused enough brouhaha
to call it a bummer.
To EVERYONE who has recieved copies - just bin them please. I won't do
anything more to it.
Project - abandoned. Only I am to blame - Unrealistic Optimism without a
researched foundation was ever my downfall.

Skipped Church today because the weather was too good to sit ind