Nerve regeneration and supplements

I'm interested in finding out what vitamins or amino acids, or some
other normal supplement might help with the healing of my
neurovascular bundles.

I Googled "nerve regeneration supplements" and found the following
article on a Diabetes website:

http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/1997/10/01/979.html

Anyone have any CONSTRUCTIVE feedback on this?

Dwight wrote:
> I'm interested in finding out what vitamins or amino acids, or some
> other normal supplement might help with the healing of my
> neurovascular bundles.
>
> I Googled "nerve regeneration supplements" and found the following
> article on a Diabetes website:
>
> http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/1997/10/01/979.html
>
> Anyone have any CONSTRUCTIVE feedback on this?

Hi Goofy, how are you!

I'll try to be constructive. First: there are no "normal supplements".
With very few exceptions, study after study shows supplements offer no
benefit and may actually harm you. The problem is that people from your
socio-economic class just won't believe that. You walk into a health
store and before you know it you have spent $ 30 on some unregulated
supplement because the salesperson was so convincing. He'll tell you
it's all a big conspiracy of Big Pharma, the universities and the press.
As you had ED problems even before your rp - at the young age of 55 -
"regeneration" is more remote than for the average patient. You should
just accept it, but that apparently is very difficult for you. Sooner or
later you'll be drawn to the stuff listed on this site:

http://www.fda.gov/consumer/updates/...ion010408.html

You'll spend hundreds of dollars, which I understand is a lot of money
for people like you, and end with even more health problems that you
have now. You've been warned.


>
>

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:22:06 +0200, safire <safire@telenet.com> wrote:

>Dwight wrote:
>> I'm interested in finding out what vitamins or amino acids, or some
>> other normal supplement might help with the healing of my
>> neurovascular bundles.
>>
>> I Googled "nerve regeneration supplements" and found the following
>> article on a Diabetes website:
>>
>> http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/1997/10/01/979.html
>>
>> Anyone have any CONSTRUCTIVE feedback on this?
>
>Hi Goofy, how are you!
>
>I'll try to be constructive. First: there are no "normal supplements".
>With very few exceptions, study after study shows supplements offer no
>benefit and may actually harm you. The problem is that people from your
>socio-economic class just won't believe that. You walk into a health
>store and before you know it you have spent $ 30 on some unregulated
>supplement because the salesperson was so convincing. He'll tell you
>it's all a big conspiracy of Big Pharma, the universities and the press.
>As you had ED problems even before your rp - at the young age of 55 -
>"regeneration" is more remote than for the average patient. You should
>just accept it, but that apparently is very difficult for you. Sooner or
>later you'll be drawn to the stuff listed on this site:
>
>http://www.fda.gov/consumer/updates/...ion010408.html
>
>You'll spend hundreds of dollars, which I understand is a lot of money
>for people like you, and end with even more health problems that you
>have now. You've been warned.

Socio-economic class?

I talked to a guy at work, a computer scientists, no less, that was buying
"herbal suppelements." When I pointed out that they are really drugs, and
untested, and marketed by business whose only goal is profit, he said you,
"Just have to trust people." Hahahahahahahaha! Not me, not in a 1000 years do
I trust the integrity of a corporation. Maybe a single person, if I know them,
and my doctors and nurses, who are dedicated, but a joe blow attempting to make
a buck, or a business organization? Never. Just think of cigarette
manufacturers.

Yeah, I think a person could F themselves up pretty bad with some of that
stuff.

"Danger Mouse" <danger_mouse@att.net> wrote in message
news:t0mm645mhbm99ie8vufi53vkgg2ab03cv1@4ax.com...


> I talked to a guy at work, a computer scientists, no less, that was buying
> "herbal suppelements." When I pointed out that they are really drugs, and
> untested, and marketed by business whose only goal is profit, he said you,
> "Just have to trust people." Hahahahahahahaha! Not me, not in a 1000
> years do
> I trust the integrity of a corporation. Maybe a single person, if I know
> them,
> and my doctors and nurses, who are dedicated, but a joe blow attempting to
> make
> a buck, or a business organization? Never. Just think of cigarette
> manufacturers.
>
> Yeah, I think a person could F themselves up pretty bad with some of that
> stuff.

As with anything else, including with our doctors and nurses, you can only
trust what you know and what you have researched or those who you trust to
do research for you. Else, we would be taking fish oil, Vit D, Vit C,
Lycopene, Sellenium, green tea, etc.



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Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 06:57:15 -0400, "Steve Kramer" <skramer@cinci.rr.com> wrote:

>"Danger Mouse" <danger_mouse@att.net> wrote in message
>news:t0mm645mhbm99ie8vufi53vkgg2ab03cv1@4ax.com.. .
>
>
>> I talked to a guy at work, a computer scientists, no less, that was buying
>> "herbal suppelements." When I pointed out that they are really drugs, and
>> untested, and marketed by business whose only goal is profit, he said you,
>> "Just have to trust people." Hahahahahahahaha! Not me, not in a 1000
>> years do
>> I trust the integrity of a corporation. Maybe a single person, if I know
>> them,
>> and my doctors and nurses, who are dedicated, but a joe blow attempting to
>> make
>> a buck, or a business organization? Never. Just think of cigarette
>> manufacturers.
>>
>> Yeah, I think a person could F themselves up pretty bad with some of that
>> stuff.
>
>As with anything else, including with our doctors and nurses, you can only
>trust what you know and what you have researched or those who you trust to
>do research for you. Else, we would be taking fish oil, Vit D, Vit C,
>Lycopene, Sellenium, green tea, etc.

Well, my doctor said fish oil was good...

On Jul 2, 4:38*am, Danger Mouse <danger_mo...@att.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 06:57:15 -0400, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> >"Danger Mouse" <danger_mo...@att.net> wrote in message
> >news:t0mm645mhbm99ie8vufi53vkgg2ab03cv1@4ax.com.. .
>
> >> I talked to a guy at work, a computer scientists, no less, that was buying
> >> "herbal suppelements." *When I pointed out that they are really drugs, and
> >> untested, and marketed by business whose only goal is profit, he said you,
> >> "Just have to trust people." *Hahahahahahahaha! *Not me, not in a 1000
> >> years do
> >> I trust the integrity of a corporation. *Maybe a single person, if I know
> >> them,
> >> and my doctors and nurses, who are dedicated, but a joe blow attemptingto
> >> make
> >> a buck, or a business organization? *Never. *Just think of cigarette
> >> manufacturers.
>
> >> Yeah, I think a person could F themselves up pretty bad with some of that
> >> stuff.
>
> >As with anything else, including with our doctors and nurses, you can only
> >trust what you know and what you have researched or those who you trust to
> >do research for you. *Else, we would be taking fish oil, Vit D, Vit C,
> >Lycopene, Sellenium, green tea, etc.
>
> Well, my doctor said fish oil was good...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think you guys are talking, and having your knees jerk, regarding
bogus cancer cures, and I'm talking things the body already needs to
do its work, like vitamins and amino acids, for something like helping
nerves heal.

Fish oil does work, for lowering triglycerides. I was prescribed a
prescription grade one, and it does the job. I have the lipid panels
to show it.

I can see the validity of trying to steer people from pursuing bogus
cures for a life-threatening disearse, but the responses I've gotten
so far here show more bias than knowledge.

Taking extra B vitamins is not going to cause the sky to fall.

I was asking a specific question, regarding helping traumatized nerves
repair themselves. Not "how do I cure cancer with onions"?

I was asking for knowledge. Not one response so far is useful, or
shows knowledge. If you know for a fact that a certain product is bad
for nerve regeneration, then by all means, say so. If you know of
info from a reliable source, that I could then talk to my doctor
about, then by all means share.

But, if all you have to share is some knee jerk response, based on an
attitude, that is NOT CONSTRUCTIVE. If you don't know, there's no
need to respond. If you do know, please share. Otherwise, there's no
knowledge there, just usenet posturing.

I can just see some of you working on sailing vessels two hundred
years ago:

"Say I heard there's something called Vitamin C that can help with
this scurvy thing. Know anything about that?"

"What's a vitamin?"

"I've heard it's something that's already in food."

"Well, we eat. Why are we still getting scurvy? You can't believe
everything you hear. If this was any good, the captain would tell
us."

"So, what you're saying is you don't know anything about it."

"Watch your mouth boy, or it's the plank for you."

I believe that exersize, and activity, stimulate, and regenerate nerve
growth.
When a person is injured say on a knee, or leg, or arm, do we just take
supplements and expect the problem to go away....?

Active use or stimulation/massage of damaged nerve areas
re-educates-electrifies connections in those areas......
Maybe not back to original, and then again it could be......

As I said before, I had nerves taken out.......
It took 1.5 to 2 years.......
I was a bit peeved, but it did not stop me from trying......
After about 1.5 years........injection/pump/(viagra was a failure)
.........things started to stir......
Now Viagra started to work.....
So, take fish oil, eat rhinoceros horn, or wild yak balls........
but work on the problem.
jloomis
"Dwight" <nodamnspamok@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 2, 4:38 am, Danger Mouse <danger_mo...@att.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 06:57:15 -0400, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com>
> wrote:
> >"Danger Mouse" <danger_mo...@att.net> wrote in message
> >news:t0mm645mhbm99ie8vufi53vkgg2ab03cv1@4ax.com.. .
>
> >> I talked to a guy at work, a computer scientists, no less, that was
> >> buying
> >> "herbal suppelements." When I pointed out that they are really drugs,
> >> and
> >> untested, and marketed by business whose only goal is profit, he said
> >> you,
> >> "Just have to trust people." Hahahahahahahaha! Not me, not in a 1000
> >> years do
> >> I trust the integrity of a corporation. Maybe a single person, if I
> >> know
> >> them,
> >> and my doctors and nurses, who are dedicated, but a joe blow attempting
> >> to
> >> make
> >> a buck, or a business organization? Never. Just think of cigarette
> >> manufacturers.
>
> >> Yeah, I think a person could F themselves up pretty bad with some of
> >> that
> >> stuff.
>
> >As with anything else, including with our doctors and nurses, you can
> >only
> >trust what you know and what you have researched or those who you trust
> >to
> >do research for you. Else, we would be taking fish oil, Vit D, Vit C,
> >Lycopene, Sellenium, green tea, etc.
>
> Well, my doctor said fish oil was good...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think you guys are talking, and having your knees jerk, regarding
bogus cancer cures, and I'm talking things the body already needs to
do its work, like vitamins and amino acids, for something like helping
nerves heal.

Fish oil does work, for lowering triglycerides. I was prescribed a
prescription grade one, and it does the job. I have the lipid panels
to show it.

I can see the validity of trying to steer people from pursuing bogus
cures for a life-threatening disearse, but the responses I've gotten
so far here show more bias than knowledge.

Taking extra B vitamins is not going to cause the sky to fall.

I was asking a specific question, regarding helping traumatized nerves
repair themselves. Not "how do I cure cancer with onions"?

I was asking for knowledge. Not one response so far is useful, or
shows knowledge. If you know for a fact that a certain product is bad
for nerve regeneration, then by all means, say so. If you know of
info from a reliable source, that I could then talk to my doctor
about, then by all means share.

But, if all you have to share is some knee jerk response, based on an
attitude, that is NOT CONSTRUCTIVE. If you don't know, there's no
need to respond. If you do know, please share. Otherwise, there's no
knowledge there, just usenet posturing.

I can just see some of you working on sailing vessels two hundred
years ago:

"Say I heard there's something called Vitamin C that can help with
this scurvy thing. Know anything about that?"

"What's a vitamin?"

"I've heard it's something that's already in food."

"Well, we eat. Why are we still getting scurvy? You can't believe
everything you hear. If this was any good, the captain would tell
us."

"So, what you're saying is you don't know anything about it."

"Watch your mouth boy, or it's the plank for you."

On Jul 2, 6:34*am, "jloomis" <jloo...@ocean.net> wrote:
> I believe that exersize, and activity, stimulate, and regenerate nerve
> growth.
> When a person is injured say on a knee, or leg, or arm, do we just take
> supplements and expect the problem to go away....?

I'm also doing the exercise routine too. Just looking at adjuncts.

>
> Active use or stimulation/massage of damaged nerve areas
> re-educates-electrifies connections in those areas......
> Maybe not back to original, and then again it could be......
>

How does one reach those areas?



> As I said before, I had nerves taken out.......
> It took 1.5 to 2 years.......
> I was a bit peeved, but it did not stop me from trying......
> After about 1.5 years........injection/pump/(viagra was a failure)
> ........things started to stir......
> Now Viagra started to work.....
> So, take fish oil, eat rhinoceros horn, or wild yak balls........
> but work on the problem.

As far as supplements, I think I'll stick to vitamins and amino acids,
unless something else proves valid. ;0)

Thanks John.

I've been finding Viagra and its cousins are impacting my hearing, so
I've gone off that.

Dwight wrote:
> I'm interested in finding out what vitamins or amino
> acids, or some other normal supplement might help with the
> healing of my neurovascular bundles.
>
> I Googled "nerve regeneration supplements" and found the
> following article on a Diabetes website:
>
> http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/1997/10/01/979.html
>
> Anyone have any CONSTRUCTIVE feedback on this?

I just did a Pubmed search on (nerve regeneration dietary
supplements). It got only two hits. One of them
recommended folic acid, but they were addressing nerve
problems which may or may not be anything like what happens
to us after prostate treatment.

I suggest doing that search on Pubmed and looking at the
article, and then trying some less restrictive searches. I
would think that Pubmed is going to be the best place to
find these kinds of things.

One of the difficulties in this is that there are many
different kinds of nerve damage and some different kinds of
people (for example, children and adults may be quite
different in this regard). You may find something that had
a positive effect on one kind of nerve damage, but it has no
effect on yours.

Alan

"Dwight" <nodamnspamok@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I've been finding Viagra and its cousins are impacting my hearing, so
I've gone off that.

>> Did you ever think that maybe she's just not screaming as loudly?

"Steve Kramer" <skramer@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
news:g4goc1$a5n$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> "Dwight" <nodamnspamok@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:e7b642b2-d9fc-4d87-9fdd-38324011dee8@p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> I've been finding Viagra and its cousins are impacting my hearing, so
> I've gone off that.
>
>>> Did you ever think that maybe she's just not screaming as loudly?
>
ROFL!! You have probably depressed the hell out of him now......

Not bloody likely, lol. He's a cheeky one.

Thanks for the giggle....Ron and Heather

Alan Meyer wrote:

> I just did a Pubmed search on (nerve regeneration dietary
> supplements). It got only two hits. One of them
> recommended folic acid

And, of course, folic acid is increasingly linked to causing and/or
feeding cancer, including PC.

Hint: My folic acid intake has been very high for decades because I eat
huge quantities of whole grain cereal and the government mandates
significant addition of folic acid to cereal.

I.P.

On Jul 2, 10:45 am, Alan Meyer <amey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dwight wrote:
>
> > I'm interested in finding out what vitamins or amino
> > acids, or some other normal supplement might help with the
> > healing of my neurovascular bundles.
> >
> > I Googled "nerve regeneration supplements" and found the
> > following article on a Diabetes website:
> >
> >http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/1997/10/01/979.html
> >
> > Anyone have any CONSTRUCTIVE feedback on this?
>
> I just did a Pubmed search on (nerve regeneration dietary
> supplements). It got only two hits. One of them
> recommended folic acid, but they were addressing nerve
> problems which may or may not be anything like what happens
> to us after prostate treatment.
>
> I suggest doing that search on Pubmed and looking at the
> article, and then trying some less restrictive searches. I
> would think that Pubmed is going to be the best place to
> find these kinds of things.
>
> One of the difficulties in this is that there are many
> different kinds of nerve damage and some different kinds of
> people (for example, children and adults may be quite
> different in this regard). You may find something that had
> a positive effect on one kind of nerve damage, but it has no
> effect on yours.
>
> Alan

Thanks Alan. I understand about the different types of nerve damage,
of which I know little or nothing about any of them.

Just figured that diabetes website was going to be a bit more unbiased
since it wasn't selling anything, and the topic and research are
serious, at least from the looks of it.

On Jul 2, 1:27 pm, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> "Dwight" <nodamnspa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e7b642b2-d9fc-4d87-9fdd-38324011dee8@p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> I've been finding Viagra and its cousins are impacting my hearing, so
> I've gone off that.
>
> >> Did you ever think that maybe she's just not screaming as loudly?

Could be, but I still smell burning rubber.

[Health Seeker]

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