OT---Anti-Virus Program

My wife is getting a new computer. We presently are running Norton 2004 on
her old one. If I recall, someone---probably Heather---said that there are
better free programs I could download. If so, would someone be so kind as
to steer me toward one?

We are running XP, our server is Road Runner, and I presently also have Spy
Bot and AdAware on the computer. I have a router on my computer which
connects hers by a wireless connection. I would want a program that would
not conflict with any of those other installations. (Norton has worked OK
for us.)

Thanks for any advice you can give me.

Claude

Claude, wrote the following at or about 1/8/2007 3:22 PM:
> My wife is getting a new computer. We presently are running Norton 2004 on
> her old one. If I recall, someone---probably Heather---said that there are
> better free programs I could download. If so, would someone be so kind as
> to steer me toward one?
>
> We are running XP, our server is Road Runner, and I presently also have Spy
> Bot and AdAware on the computer. I have a router on my computer which
> connects hers by a wireless connection. I would want a program that would
> not conflict with any of those other installations. (Norton has worked OK
> for us.)
>
> Thanks for any advice you can give me.

Claude, and anyone else in need,

One of the better free programs out there is AVG's Anti-Virus Free Program.

It's published by Grisoft and I own a ten-pack license of the full
network version. It's well regarded in the Anti-Virus reviews and dirt
cheap (for the registered version). I'm up for renewal in a couple of
months at which time my relicensing for a two year period will be even
cheaper than the original license. I think it's costing me about $11.00
per computer, per year NET for excellent protection.

The free version has always been a pain to find at the Grisoft site so I
suggest using this link to get to the latest version.

http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail...e/1028312263/1

Try it, you'll like it.

Claude wrote:
> My wife is getting a new computer. We presently are running Norton 2004 on
> her old one. If I recall, someone---probably Heather---said that there are
> better free programs I could download. If so, would someone be so kind as
> to steer me toward one?
> ...

I've been happy with this one:

http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/2/

Alan

I've used Norton and Trend PC-cillin in the past but have found that Avast
works much better and it's free for home use. All you have to do is
register it every 14 months for there free automatic upgrades. Here's a
link; http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html.

Ron S

On January 8, Claude wrote:

> My wife is getting a new computer. We presently are running Norton 2004 on
> her old one. If I recall, someone---probably Heather---said that there are
> better free programs I could download. If so, would someone be so kind as
> to steer me toward one?

(snip)

> Thanks for any advice you can give me.

My advice would be to trash the PC and buy a Mac.

On the whole, Macs are not subject to virus attacks. I suppose that it's
possible but rare if it happens at all.

Anecdote: I have been a Mac user for some seven years. Never had an
infestation. Don't have any anti-virus program. Careful what messages I
open. Keep security programs (free) up to date. My ISP publishes trojan
horse and virus alerts. None have ever applied to Macs.

Regards,

Steve J

"Computers are like Old Testament gods; lots of rules and no mercy."
--Joseph Campbell

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> Claude, wrote the following at or about 1/8/2007 3:22 PM:
>> My wife is getting a new computer. We presently are running Norton 2004
>> on her old one. If I recall, someone---probably Heather---said that
>> there are better free programs I could download. If so, would someone be
>> so kind as to steer me toward one?
>>
>> We are running XP, our server is Road Runner, and I presently also have
>> Spy Bot and AdAware on the computer. I have a router on my computer
>> which connects hers by a wireless connection. I would want a program
>> that would not conflict with any of those other installations. (Norton
>> has worked OK for us.)
>>
>> Thanks for any advice you can give me.
>
> Claude, and anyone else in need,
>
> One of the better free programs out there is AVG's Anti-Virus Free
> Program.
>


I'm a geek, and got rid of Norton for AVG ages ago. AVG free works great,
but I hear they are now getting rid of the free version. It's a 1st rate
prog and gets 4 stars from me. The free Ad-aware is virtually worthless for
worms and spyware.


--
JK Sinrod
www.SinrodStudios.com
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

"glassman" <jksinrod@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> I'm a geek, and got rid of Norton for AVG ages ago. AVG free works
> great, but I hear they are now getting rid of the free version. It's a
> 1st rate prog and gets 4 stars from me. The free Ad-aware is
> virtually worthless for worms and spyware.

I am not totally sure they are getting rid of the free version. I saw
some discussion on the AV or Spyware ng and it seems the link had
changed and it was difficult to find the freebie. I will ask if you
want.

FWIW, my computer guy (he built this one for me) uses AVG to check out
computers brought in for repair. I am constantly amazed at the number
of trojans, viruses and spyware that are on these non-functioning
computers. Hellooooo......there are free programs out there for all of
the above!!!

Geekette.

Hi Claude......

All of the suggestions re free AV's are good. AVG and Avast do the job.
I happen to use one that I used to pay for but I have a website where
you can download it free.

I have used EZ Trust since it was the free InoculateIT PE (about 6-8
years at a guess) and I love it. Actually, I never see it because I
practice *safe hex* and avoid those nasties.

Here is the link for the Microsoft website.....they teamed up a few
years ago and I have used this free one since then. It autoupdates, of
course. Not sure if AVG does, but I have never used it. I do suggest
it to people though.

http://home3.ca.com/Microsoft/

And Norton is bloatware with a lot of unnecessary features. If any of
you have an antivirus that scans OUTgoing email, turn that feature off.
You don't need it......and it can screw up your machine.

Cheers.....Auntie Virus


"Claude" <claude@hatesspam.com> wrote in message
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> My wife is getting a new computer. We presently are running Norton
> 2004 on her old one. If I recall, someone---probably Heather---said
> that there are better free programs I could download. If so, would
> someone be so kind as to steer me toward one?
>
> We are running XP, our server is Road Runner, and I presently also
> have Spy Bot and AdAware on the computer. I have a router on my
> computer which connects hers by a wireless connection. I would want a
> program that would not conflict with any of those other installations.
> (Norton has worked OK for us.)
>
> Thanks for any advice you can give me.
>
> Claude
>

"Steve Jordan" <mycroftscj1@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On January 8, Claude wrote:
>
>> My wife is getting a new computer. We presently are running Norton
>> 2004 on her old one. If I recall, someone---probably Heather---said
>> that there are better free programs I could download. If so, would
>> someone be so kind as to steer me toward one?
>
> (snip)
>
>> Thanks for any advice you can give me.
>
> My advice would be to trash the PC and buy a Mac.

Isn't that a tad pricey?? Considering he is looking for a FREE
antivirus proggie. Just kidding you.

I do know the Odd Person who uses a Mac......I believe there are about
10 in use at any given time worldwide. My daughter has two of them,
lol.

Cheers.....a confirmed PC user.

On January 8, Heather quoted me:

>> My advice would be to trash the PC and buy a Mac.

And replied:

> Isn't that a tad pricey??

Not if one considers time spent dealing with worms, viruses, trojan
horses and the software supposed to combat them to be wasted.

> Considering he is looking for a FREE antivirus proggie.

I've heard it said that anything free is worth what one pays for it.

> Just kidding you.

Equally.

> I do know the Odd Person who uses a Mac......I believe there are about
> 10 in use at any given time worldwide. My daughter has two of them,
> lol.

Well, I admit that I'm an Odd Person. As for Heather's daughter, who
obviously has good judgment, I cannot say.... :-)

> Cheers.....a confirmed PC user.

And cheers to the Frozen North from a nice warm 22° C/ 72°F Aridzona Mac
guy. We appreciate the Canadian snowbirds. No matter what brand of
confuser they use.

Steve J

"When I play with my cat, who knows whether she isn't amusing herself
with me more than I am with her?"
--Montaigne

Thanks to all of you for the suggestions. I will look into all 3
recommended programs, and as soon as we get the new computer, I will
download one of them. Probably install it on my computer as well. Claude

"Claude" <claude@hatesspam.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks to all of you for the suggestions. I will look into all 3
> recommended programs, and as soon as we get the new computer, I will
> download one of them. Probably install it on my computer as well.
> Claude

Hi All......got the link for the new and improved Version 7.5 of AVG and
there is also a free anti-spyware program on the page. If you are using
Version 7.1, it will be discontinued as of Feb. 18th, 2007.

http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1 for both of the above Version 7.5
proggies.

My ISP takes care of spam.......I have SpywareBlaster, plus AdAware and
Spybot S & D for the obvious......and I use EZ Trust as my antivirus.

Spam is the only problem I have. I rarely ever see malware of any kind.
And I do hit some *dicey* sites at times. I simply rely on XP's
firewall even though I have a router and Zone Alarm sitting here.

If you want to check out for firewall, see Steve Gibson's website and
look for Shields Up. It is about halfway down the page. I used it to
test each of the 3 firewalls. They all passed as *stealthed*.

http://www.grc.com/default.htm

Cheers.....Heather

Like I said, I've played with most anti-virus programs and found that Avast
does the best job of any. It also scans outgoing email but does not slow
your PC significantly. You won't even notice it unless you might have an
old slow PC. A friend of mine was using Trend Micro and had a number of
viruses. I installed Avast and it immediately stopped emails from being
sent from his machine as they were all viruses ment for probably many
other email clients plus the ones in his address book. They were spoof
emails created by his virus. It keeps someones infected computer from
infecting others.

Ron S.

"ronju99" <jlspane@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Like I said, I've played with most anti-virus programs and found that
> Avast
> does the best job of any. It also scans outgoing email but does not
> slow
> your PC significantly. You won't even notice it unless you might have
> an
> old slow PC. A friend of mine was using Trend Micro and had a number
> of
> viruses. I installed Avast and it immediately stopped emails from
> being
> sent from his machine as they were all viruses ment for probably many
> other email clients plus the ones in his address book. They were spoof
> emails created by his virus. It keeps someones infected computer from
> infecting others.

BUT.....how did he get infected in the first place?? Trend stops
viruses. I find that my *infested friends and neighbours* will
eventually admit that they turned off their AV, spyware or firewall
programs for a variety of reasons.

I have not had ONE virus in some 8 years and there is absolutely NO need
to have your outgoing mail scanned if your AV is scanning incoming mail.
Plus you have either the XP firewall activated (default position) or
Zone Alarm firewall on.

I would be willing to bet $100 Cdn. that your friend with Trend and
multiple viruses was either running an expired version or one that he
didn't update. (VBG) My neighbour didn't know that you had to update
Norton. DUH!! (beginning to type like IP.....ack!!)

Heather

Claude wrote:
> My wife is getting a new computer. We presently are running Norton 2004 on
> her old one. If I recall, someone---probably Heather---said that there are
> better free programs I could download. If so, would someone be so kind as
> to steer me toward one?
>
> We are running XP, our server is Road Runner, and I presently also have Spy
> Bot and AdAware on the computer. I have a router on my computer which
> connects hers by a wireless connection. I would want a program that would
> not conflict with any of those other installations. (Norton has worked OK
> for us.)

Does your PC ever freeze? Mine did, several times every day for years,
until the day I told Norton to stop checking my e-mail close to a year
ago. Not one freeze since then.

I.P.

Heather wrote:

> Isn't [a Mac] a tad pricey?? Considering he is looking for a FREE
> antivirus proggie.

My Mac cost about the same as the Dell PC it replaced, takes up FAR less
space (no external CPU), and has about 6 or 8 low-level virus threats
out there compared to 100,000 threats for PCs.

I.P.

May I assume you've gone to Kim Komando's website
(http://www.komando.com/ )? She provides links to over 100 carefully
screened free programs, including anti-malware.

I.P.

Heather,
Viruses come not only though email programs but can be executed simply by
clicking on an infected link or even certain websites. My friend uses adult
sites quite often and I'm sure he got it through one of them. I use to use
Trend a lot but found that even though Trend would warn me about an
infected site, it didn't always block the virus from infecting my
computer.
I've been building and upgrading computers for about eight years now and
even though I'm not the highest skilled tech person, I do provide tech
support for those I build computers for and should they get a virus I'm
capable of removing it without re-installing Windows.
I understand that you haven't had a problem with your computer and that's
great, but that in itself doesn't cover all possibilities.
Yes, if you could guarantee that all surfers would be 100% protected from
viruses, then we wouldn't need e-mail scans. However, that's not the real
world and people do get infected and if you are in there address book, you
may someday get slamed.

Ron S.

Hi Ron......see inline.....

"ronju99" <jlspane@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Heather,
> Viruses come not only though email programs but can be executed simply
> by clicking on an infected link or even certain websites. My friend
> uses adult sites quite often and I'm sure he got it through one of
> them. <<<

I would be willing to bet some serious money on where he got his
malware, grin. But needless to say I do not go to pron sites. But I
have visited some dicey ones in the malware area. I go to those with
increased security. Often they are ones with *drive-by malware*.

I use to use
> Trend a lot but found that even though Trend would warn me about an
> infected site, it didn't always block the virus from infecting my
> computer.

Trend doesn't seem to be as good as it used to. Most AV's can identifiy
a virus, but quite a few don't seem to be able to get rid of them. That
is when you should hop over to alt.comp.anti-virus and get David
Lipman's Multi-AV fix. Works a treat.

> I've been building and upgrading computers for about eight years now
> and
> even though I'm not the highest skilled tech person, I do provide tech
> support for those I build computers for and should they get a virus
> I'm
> capable of removing it without re-installing Windows.

Good.....I can too and I hate to see people blithely say.....reformat!!
That is NOT the answer. I hang out at the shop with the fellow who
built this machine and he is amazing. Teaching me a lot of the hardware
stuff. Software is my forte. Even more amazing are the people coming
in loaded with trojans and malware......boggles the mind!!

>>>>> I understand that you haven't had a problem with your computer and
>>>>> that's great, but that in itself doesn't cover all possibilities.
Yes, if you could guarantee that all surfers would be 100% protected
from viruses, then we wouldn't need e-mail scans. However, that's not
the real world and people do get infected and if you are in there
address book, you may someday get slamed.<<<<<<

I can pretty well guarantee you that I won't get *slammed*. I have
received hundreds of viruses from other people's address books, but I
take a few simple precautions that save my bacon when I am being hit
from all sides.

Doesn't happen much anymore, but remember Bugbear? That one was
embedded HTML in the message, so just reading it infected you. My
Genealogy List got barraged with that and of course I was getting more
than my fair share too......but I went into *defence mode* until the
guys on the antivirus group came up with some answers. All it took was
dropping the Preview Pane in that instance. Also, any email coming in
here with an attachment goes into its own folder. Then I can check it
at my leisure.

And I didn't mean *take off all AV protection*.....just that quite often
(especially Norton) the scanning of the OUT going mail causes problems.
I see it all the time on the tech groups.

I think you are probably seeing (as Willy and I are) that there are
fewer viruses, but a lot more spyware and trojans. That is the way of
the future according to the antivirus gurus.

Cheers.....Heather

"Heather" <laynie@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>

>
> I have used EZ Trust since it was the free InoculateIT PE (about 6-8 years
> at a guess) and I love it. Actually, I never see it because I practice
> *safe hex* and avoid those nasties.

I use EZ too, it does everything I want and it's easy to over-ride if I want
to. It updates far more often than AVG, which I have used but found it
lacking.

My Computer Associates Suite (EZ) includes every safety device and is well
worth what I pay because my computer is a valuable part of my life and
essential for some purposes. .
>
>
> And Norton is bloatware with a lot of unnecessary features. If any of you
> have an antivirus that scans OUTgoing email, turn that feature off. You
> don't need it......and it can screw up your machine.

I tried Norton once, and McAfee, they both caused problems with my pc's
running. The EZ doesn't, what's more, my ISP thinks it's a good programme
too and their word is good enough for me :-)

Mary
>
> Cheers.....Auntie Virus
LOL!

Heather,
I applaud you for your attention to security issues. Unfortunately 80% of
PC users won't go to the detail that you have to protect themselves. My
wife on occasion will download a cute screensaver and get hit with trojans
and malware even though I warn her that nothing much is free anymore and
most come with malware. Then I have to clean up the mess.
I understand what you are saying about preview pane, download folders and
the like, but what I'm saying is that most people that use a computer are
not only computer illiterate but many are short a few bricks on top of
that. The friend I mentioned has had a computer for at least six years and
he asked me last week after I cleaned up his computer, how to get rid of
the mail that was stored in his sent folders. I've showed him a number
times in the past but I guess it doesn't register. It's really amazing how
inept some people really are.
I used Trend for a number of years and then it became less reliable like
Norton did, so I switched to Avast and haven't looked back. I tried AVG
but it didn't work as well for me. Can't remember why now. I also found to
my dismay that Windows Defender is a pretty good filter. I also use Adware,
Registry Cleaner and MRU-Blaster, HijackThis and IE-7. I use SmitRem in
safe mode to get rid of most viruses. Sometimes I will have to clean the
registry manually.

Ron S.

I hope EZ-Trust has cleaned up its act since this posting of 2003;
http://help.lockergnome.com/security...opict1549.html. It seems
that getting there free version has some pitfalls.

Ron S.

Some ISPs offer highly-rated corporate-level malware filtering at a
"global" level, for a small fee or free. Earthlink offered one years ago
but gave us no access to filtered messages so we had no idea whether it
was filtering valid e-mails, but that's changing, at least with other ISPs.

I.P.

"ronju99" <jlspane@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
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>I hope EZ-Trust has cleaned up its act since this posting of 2003;
> http://help.lockergnome.com/security...opict1549.html. It
> seems
> that getting there free version has some pitfalls.

Hi Ron.......

Had a good read of that *blast from the past*. Other than Bill, none of
those people are regulars and I think that it is Bill Blevins who is
trying to make her realize it was NOT EZ Trust that caused her to get a
sh*tload of spyware. I am assuming she did not set up her firewall
properly and was not running any anti-spyware program, other than
clean-up ones.

It was ALL spyware and 3 years ago, people were not quite with it re
AdAware or Spybot or SpywareBlaster (the last one is invaluable as you
know).

The most I have ever gotten in a week or so is one. And I am so used to
that one (live65) I just manually remove it. And I think that one comes
from Hotmail, ergo no problem. Merely a snooper.

I would have to go back and check why, but she is either running WinME
or Win98. Something clued me in on that. Oh yes......F-Prot doesn't
run on XP (the free one). Assuming she meant the free one. Also she
didn't need a 3rd party firewall if she has XP. I ran Zone Alarm for a
while, but realized after checking it, a router and just plain XP
firewall that they were all stealthing me.

Cheers.......Heather

I quit using Spybot myself and I really don't get much out of Adaware
either. Most of what they find is located in your user temporary internet
folder anyway and if you delete the contents daily after use these
programs won't find much other than MRU's. I use Windows DiscCleanup.exe
and add a shortcut to Temporary Internet folder to my desktop and delete
all files daily. If your not aware of the folder, click on; My Computer,
C:/ drive, Documents & Settings, (your name), Local Settings, Temporary
Internet Files. Create a short cut to this folder and clean them
regularly. Disk Cleanup will not clean this folder.

Ron S.

"ronju99" <jlspane@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
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>I quit using Spybot myself and I really don't get much out of Adaware
> either. Most of what they find is located in your user temporary
> internet
> folder anyway and if you delete the contents daily after use these
> programs won't find much other than MRU's. I use Windows
> DiscCleanup.exe
> and add a shortcut to Temporary Internet folder to my desktop and
> delete
> all files daily. If your not aware of the folder, click on; My
> Computer,
> C:/ drive, Documents & Settings, (your name), Local Settings,
> Temporary
> Internet Files. Create a short cut to this folder and clean them
> regularly. Disk Cleanup will not clean this folder.
>
> Ron S.

Thanks......I just checked that and I go at it from a different angle.
I right click the Internet Explorer icon on my desktop, Properties,
Delete Files ...but most importantly, tick off the box that comes up re
"delete all offline content". Learned that from the MVP's way back
when. Mind you, if IE is open you can use Tools/Options etc. But I use
Firefox, so have to remember to clear that one. It fills up even tho I
don't use IE.

We shall have to compare notes off the list one of these days. (G)

Cheers.....Heather
>

Heather & other PC folks have written:

Volumes about how to combat the scumbags who continually attack them via
the 'net.

And Heather, bless her heart, sneers at Mac users, who have little or no
similar problems.

Hello?

Regards,

Steve J, Mac guy

"Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty-five years, Doctor, and I'm
happy to state I finally won out over it."
-- James Stewart as Elwood P. Dowd in "Harvey"

Must have been a PC guy.

LOL!! No, we write about things that *possibly* could happen, but
don't.

And you know that we elitist PC types love to tease Mac users. I look
at it this way. I know so much more on how to combat malware cuz I use
a PC......look at all the knowledge you are missing.

And if you buy that one..........ROFL!!

"Steve Jordan" <mycroftscj1@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Heather & other PC folks have written:
>
> Volumes about how to combat the scumbags who continually attack them
> via the 'net.
>
> And Heather, bless her heart, sneers at Mac users, who have little or
> no > similar problems.
>
> Hello?
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve J, Mac guy
>
> "Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty-five years, Doctor, and
> I'm happy to state I finally won out over it."
> -- James Stewart as Elwood P. Dowd in "Harvey"
>
> Must have been a PC guy.

Claude wrote:
> My wife is getting a new computer. We presently are running Norton 2004 on
> her old one. If I recall, someone---probably Heather---said that there are
> better free programs I could download. If so, would someone be so kind as
> to steer me toward one?
>
> We are running XP, our server is Road Runner, and I presently also have Spy
> Bot and AdAware on the computer. I have a router on my computer which
> connects hers by a wireless connection. I would want a program that would
> not conflict with any of those other installations. (Norton has worked OK
> for us.)
>
> Thanks for any advice you can give me.
>
> Claude

You have already received lots of good advice. I would also suggest
that you have a look at AV-Comparatives
(http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/home.html) to see how the
programs compare in detection capabilities. Those with an Advanced+
rating are superior. AntiVir, the first listed, is also available in a
freeware version ("classic"). Pay attention to their abilities at
handling polymorphic viruses, and also look at their performance in
Retrospective tests--their overall as well as false positive rates. The
Retrospective tests assess their ability to deal with "zero-day"
viruses, i.e. viruses for which there are no signatures yet available.

AOL has a freeware version of Kaspesky and it is also excellent. Just
don't install the "Security toolbar" during the install; it will
harvest your browsing habits. For cleaning out temp files, I recommend
CCleaner. I also highly recommend SpywareBlaster and SUPERAntispyware.
Google "safe hex" for good advice on avoiding problems in the first
place.

Cheers,
Larry

Just thought I'd add...... the single biggest PC culprit is with MS
Internet Explorer. 99.9999999999% of infections plus all those damn MS daily
XP updates, are to try to cover up the ongoing game of finding security
holes by the army of 14 year old anarchists & hackers out there. It's just
such a flawed prog. Please switch to Mozilla Firefox browser, install AVG
and most of the battle is done.


--
JK Sinrod
www.SinrodStudios.com
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

On January 10, Heather replied to me:

> LOL!! No, we write about things that *possibly* could happen, but
> don't.
>
> And you know that we elitist PC types love to tease Mac users.

Huh? Say it ain't so! I thunk that Mac users were elitists.

> I look
> at it this way. I know so much more on how to combat malware cuz I use
> a PC......look at all the knowledge you are missing.

I don't miss it nohow! Hee hee.

> And if you buy that one..........ROFL!!

Agreed!

Regards,

Steve J

"Digressions, objections, delight in mockery, carefree mistrust are
signs of health; everything unconditional belongs in pathology."
--Friedrich Nietzsche

"LarryS" <larry_sabo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> You have already received lots of good advice. I would also suggest
> that you have a look at AV-Comparatives

Hi, Larry! I almost deleted this post along with all the others in this
thread (not having virus issues), but then I see an old name.

How the heck are you?

It's been, what? 1½ years? Last we heard, you had two great PSA years;
<.03. Is it holding?



--
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06, 6/06
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

Hi Larry.....where have you been hiding?? Are you using Nick's
SuperAntispyware?? I haven't tried it out yet.

As for "safe hex", here is the link for the website by the antivirus
group......everything you ever wanted to know and all that stuff.

http://claymania.com/nav-map.html

Heather

"LarryS" <larry_sabo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> You have already received lots of good advice. I would also suggest
> that you have a look at AV-Comparatives
> (http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/home.html) to see how the
> programs compare in detection capabilities. Those with an Advanced+
> rating are superior. AntiVir, the first listed, is also available in a
> freeware version ("classic"). Pay attention to their abilities at
> handling polymorphic viruses, and also look at their performance in
> Retrospective tests--their overall as well as false positive rates.
> The
> Retrospective tests assess their ability to deal with "zero-day"
> viruses, i.e. viruses for which there are no signatures yet available.
>
> AOL has a freeware version of Kaspesky and it is also excellent. Just
> don't install the "Security toolbar" during the install; it will
> harvest your browsing habits. For cleaning out temp files, I recommend
> CCleaner. I also highly recommend SpywareBlaster and SUPERAntispyware.
> Google "safe hex" for good advice on avoiding problems in the first
> place.
>
> Cheers,
> Larry
>

Hi JK.....I neglected to say I have used nothing but Firefox for 2 years
or more. I do work with the MS MVP's, but you might be surprised at how
many of them are using other than IE. Hey, they beta test Bill's
stuff....they know most of the flaws. I haven't asked about
Vista......but I sure took IE7 off within 48 hours.

Heather

"glassman" <jksinrod@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Just thought I'd add...... the single biggest PC culprit is with MS
> Internet Explorer. 99.9999999999% of infections plus all those damn MS
> daily XP updates, are to try to cover up the ongoing game of finding
> security holes by the army of 14 year old anarchists & hackers out
> there. It's just such a flawed prog. Please switch to Mozilla Firefox
> browser, install AVG and most of the battle is done.
>
>
> --
> JK Sinrod
> www.SinrodStudios.com
> www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com
>

Heather wrote:

> I haven't asked about Vista......but I sure took IE7 off within 48 hours.

Evaluators report flaws/holes in Vista, just like in every
other release from Billy Boy's microsquish.

You mean just like any other operating system, Windows, Mac, Linux. One is
no better than the other.


"NICK" <CALIFORNIA_CHIEF@PEOPLEPC.COM> wrote in message
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> Heather wrote:
>
>> I haven't asked about Vista......but I sure took IE7 off within 48
>> hours.
>
> Evaluators report flaws/holes in Vista, just like in every
> other release from Billy Boy's microsquish.
>

WhoKnew wrote:
> You mean just like any other operating system, Windows, Mac, Linux. One is
> no better than the other.

That's ridiculous, according to IT people who manage tens of thousands
of computers. They need 7-10 *times* more techs to manage Windows fleets
compared to Macs.


I.P.

WhoKnew wrote:

> You mean just like any other operating system, Windows, Mac, Linux.
> One is no better than the other.

That is NOT what I wrote, onager.