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Shelf life of our pills?
  1. #1
    JKconey Guest

    Default Shelf life of our pills?

    Anyone have any experience with how long Viagra, Levitra, Cialis, will
    still be effective sitting in a bottle, or even worse cut in half and
    sitting around a few years? I have the opportunity to inherit some old
    pills, and with the high cost don't want to just throw them out, but don't
    want to waste an opportunity either. Thanks!


    --
    "Never bet on the end of the world because it's only going to happen once
    and how are you going to collect?"

    JK
    www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com



  2. #2
    BertX Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    I have gone through this a couple of times with the pharmacist with other
    drugs, the first time with Casodex and the 2nd time with anti-malarial
    drugs... In both cases, I take the drugs for a period of time and then go
    off them for a year or two. As I usually have a bunch left over and they
    are relatively expensive, I'd like to use up my old supply before getting
    new prescriptions.

    I think the real answer is they don't really know when the drugs cease to
    work. But I was told that I should use the expiration date that is on the
    bottle that the pharmacist uses when he fills the prescription. Of course
    this information is not available once the prescription is filled, so you
    have to tell the pharmacist you want this information when the prescription
    is filled.

    Bert


    "JKconey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:4946f09e$0$14311$[email protected]..
    > Anyone have any experience with how long Viagra, Levitra, Cialis, will
    > still be effective sitting in a bottle, or even worse cut in half and
    > sitting around a few years? I have the opportunity to inherit some old
    > pills, and with the high cost don't want to just throw them out, but don't
    > want to waste an opportunity either. Thanks!
    >
    >
    > --
    > "Never bet on the end of the world because it's only going to happen once
    > and how are you going to collect?"
    >
    > JK
    > www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com
    >



  3. #3
    I.P. Freely Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    JKconey wrote:
    > Anyone have any experience with how long Viagra, Levitra, Cialis, will
    > still be effective sitting in a bottle, or even worse cut in half and
    > sitting around a few years? I have the opportunity to inherit some old
    > pills, and with the high cost don't want to just throw them out, but don't
    > want to waste an opportunity either. Thanks!
    >
    >

    Getting FDA approval for claiming a short (e.g., 12-month) expiration
    date on a med is pretty simple once it's approved. Claiming a long
    expiration time requires a much higher level of proof most manufacturers
    are not willing to obtain on most meds. After all, they make more money
    if we throw unused meds away. Many meds are known to be perfectly good
    for years, some are known to degrade soon past their date, most fall
    into the "uncertain" bin.

    The general rules of thumb regarding meds past their date are:
    1. If the med is critical to your health, chuck it.
    2. If not critical, but it has changed in appearance or texture or odor
    in any way, chuck it.
    3. Otherwise, it's probably safe and effective for many months, maybe a
    year or more, past its date.

    The obvious risk is a med which at best no longer works, at worst
    becomes harmful.

    How about, it, punk; Do ya feel lucky?

    I'd call a pharmacist and press the issue of safety: Can old Viagra harm
    me? If s/he won't or can't answer, I'd ask the manufacturer the same
    question. After all, you can determine its effectiveness yourself.

    Of course, it would be more fun ... and maybe more effective ... with
    someone else.

    I.P.



  4. #4
    Dedman Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:04:52 -0500, JKconey wrote
    (in article <4946f09e$0$14311$[email protected]>):

    > Anyone have any experience with how long Viagra, Levitra, Cialis, will
    > still be effective sitting in a bottle, or even worse cut in half and
    > sitting around a few years? I have the opportunity to inherit some old
    > pills, and with the high cost don't want to just throw them out, but don't
    > want to waste an opportunity either. Thanks!


    The fact that every prescription I get coincidentally expires 1 year from the
    date dispensed tells me that not a lot of science has gone into this
    determination. More than likely it is "planned obsolescence" with a
    financial motivation. Not to mention that you can't even get it refilled
    after a year. Where I live there is a law that if you haven't seen the
    doctor who prescribed it in a year, _he_ can't even refill it without seeing
    you again. Hmm... I wonder who could have been behind that law?

    I read a while back that the US Army studied these expiration dates with an
    eye to reducing their drug costs and concluded that most drugs are effective
    way beyond 12 months.

    I have some Percocet that I keep around in case I get another kidney stone
    and have taken it from time to time for other temporary conditions and it
    seems to work fine.

    If you are rich, you can afford to play it safe.

    --
    Dedman


  5. #5
    Steve Kramer Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    "Dedman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] .com...
    > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:04:52 -0500, JKconey wrote
    > (in article <4946f09e$0$14311$[email protected]>):
    >
    >> Anyone have any experience with how long Viagra, Levitra, Cialis,
    >> will
    >> still be effective sitting in a bottle, or even worse cut in half and
    >> sitting around a few years? I have the opportunity to inherit some old
    >> pills, and with the high cost don't want to just throw them out, but
    >> don't
    >> want to waste an opportunity either. Thanks!

    >
    > The fact that every prescription I get coincidentally expires 1 year from
    > the
    > date dispensed tells me that not a lot of science has gone into this
    > determination. More than likely it is "planned obsolescence" with a
    > financial motivation. Not to mention that you can't even get it refilled
    > after a year. Where I live there is a law that if you haven't seen the
    > doctor who prescribed it in a year, _he_ can't even refill it without
    > seeing
    > you again. Hmm... I wonder who could have been behind that law?
    >
    > I read a while back that the US Army studied these expiration dates with
    > an
    > eye to reducing their drug costs and concluded that most drugs are
    > effective
    > way beyond 12 months.
    >
    > I have some Percocet that I keep around in case I get another kidney stone
    > and have taken it from time to time for other temporary conditions and it
    > seems to work fine.
    >
    > If you are rich, you can afford to play it safe.
    >
    > --
    > Dedman
    >


    I have never thrown away medications and, to the best of my knowledge, it
    has never had an adverse effect on me. Alka Seltzer doesn't dissolve as
    fast sometimes. I suspect the same of the percocets, darvocets, and
    oxycotins of the world (outside coating for time release of active
    ingredients), but never had a problem. My latest was Percodan that I had in
    1980 or so for an ear infection still put me to sleep last year when I
    needed a couple.


    --
    PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
    Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
    RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
    PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
    EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
    PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
    Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
    PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
    Casodex added daily 07/06
    PSA undetectable since, < 0.04 on 10/09/08
    Illegitimati non carborundum



  6. #6
    JKconey Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?


    "I.P. Freely" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:d%D1l.59751$[email protected]..
    > JKconey wrote:
    >> Anyone have any experience with how long Viagra, Levitra, Cialis,
    >> will still be effective sitting in a bottle, or even worse cut in half
    >> and sitting around a few years? I have the opportunity to inherit some
    >> old pills, and with the high cost don't want to just throw them out, but
    >> don't want to waste an opportunity either. Thanks!
    >>
    >>

    > Getting FDA approval for claiming a short (e.g., 12-month) expiration date
    > on a med is pretty simple once it's approved. Claiming a long expiration
    > time requires a much higher level of proof most manufacturers are not
    > willing to obtain on most meds. After all, they make more money if we
    > throw unused meds away. Many meds are known to be perfectly good for
    > years, some are known to degrade soon past their date, most fall into the
    > "uncertain" bin.
    >
    > The general rules of thumb regarding meds past their date are:
    > 1. If the med is critical to your health, chuck it.
    > 2. If not critical, but it has changed in appearance or texture or odor in
    > any way, chuck it.
    > 3. Otherwise, it's probably safe and effective for many months, maybe a
    > year or more, past its date.
    >
    > The obvious risk is a med which at best no longer works, at worst becomes
    > harmful.
    >
    > How about, it, punk; Do ya feel lucky?
    >
    > I'd call a pharmacist and press the issue of safety: Can old Viagra harm
    > me? If s/he won't or can't answer, I'd ask the manufacturer the same
    > question. After all, you can determine its effectiveness yourself.
    >
    > Of course, it would be more fun ... and maybe more effective ... with
    > someone else.
    >
    > I.P.
    >
    >



    So here's the issue. Do I take a 4 year old Cialis, and then wait until
    it kicks in, and risk it NEVER kicking in, but feeling to worried to take
    another one on top of the "weak" one? So no one here has any experience
    with old Viagra/Levitra not working I guess?


    --
    "Money Won is Twice as Sweet as Money Earned" ... Fast Eddie Felson

    JK
    www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com



  7. #7
    Alan Meyer Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    "JKconey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:4946f09e$0$14311$[email protected]..
    > Anyone have any experience with how long Viagra, Levitra, Cialis, will
    > still be effective sitting in a bottle, or even worse cut in half and
    > sitting around a few years?


    I don't know the answer. If it were me, I think I'd use the pills.

    For the future, I suggest keeping expensive or hard to get meds
    in the refrigerator or freezer. Almost all chemical reactions
    occur at slower rates in colder temperatures.

    Alan



  8. #8
    I.P. Freely Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    Alan Meyer wrote:
    > "JKconey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:4946f09e$0$14311$[email protected]..
    >> Anyone have any experience with how long Viagra, Levitra, Cialis, will
    >> still be effective sitting in a bottle, or even worse cut in half and
    >> sitting around a few years?

    >
    > I don't know the answer. If it were me, I think I'd use the pills.
    >
    > For the future, I suggest keeping expensive or hard to get meds
    > in the refrigerator or freezer. Almost all chemical reactions
    > occur at slower rates in colder temperatures.
    >
    > Alan
    >
    >

    I'll bet that freezing destroys many meds. My last pills insist that I
    store them between something like 68 and 75 degrees. Sorry, FDA, but
    that's not possible. I'll give you 40 to 120 -- the range I live in --
    and no better.

    Guys, I'd be asking pharmacists, not "dudes", how safe old meds are. I'd
    surely not base that decision on "some dude's" anecdotal experience
    (unless it was alarming); even fresh meds act very differently from one
    pt to another, sometimes even on the same pt. Ambien CR (timed release)
    works exactly as advertised on me; regular Ambien -- same med, different
    release rate -- does virtually nothing to or for me.

    Maybe I'm just paranoid about drugs, as I've never once used any drug
    for any unintended, nefarious, or non-medical reason.

    I.P.


  9. #9
    3Putt in Coastal SC Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?


    "I.P. Freely" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:33Y1l.29087$[email protected]..
    >>
    >>

    > I'll bet that freezing destroys many meds. My last pills insist that I
    > store them between something like 68 and 75 degrees. Sorry, FDA, but
    > that's not possible. I'll give you 40 to 120 -- the range I live in --
    > and no better.
    >


    I keep mine inside the house not in the attic or in the car.


  10. #10
    Steve Kramer Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    "I.P. Freely" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:33Y1l.29087$[email protected]..

    > Maybe I'm just paranoid about drugs,


    Nah. Not just drugs.



  11. #11
    I.P. Freely Guest

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    3Putt in Coastal SC wrote:
    >
    > "I.P. Freely" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:33Y1l.29087$[email protected]..
    >>>
    >>>

    >> I'll bet that freezing destroys many meds. My last pills insist that I
    >> store them between something like 68 and 75 degrees. Sorry, FDA, but
    >> that's not possible. I'll give you 40 to 120 -- the range I live in --
    >> and no better.
    >>

    >
    > I keep mine inside the house not in the attic or in the car.


    Think RV.

    I.P.

  12. #12
    Steve Jordan Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    On December 16, Steve K replied to Mike Freely:

    Quoting Mike:

    >> Maybe I'm just paranoid about drugs,


    Steve K repied

    > Nah. Not just drugs.


    Snert. Hee hee. Well said.

    Regards,

    Steve J

  13. #13
    3Putt in Coastal SC Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?


    "I.P. Freely" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:dNY1l.60930$[email protected]..
    > 3Putt in Coastal SC wrote:
    >>
    >> "I.P. Freely" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:33Y1l.29087$[email protected]..
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> I'll bet that freezing destroys many meds. My last pills insist that I
    >>> store them between something like 68 and 75 degrees. Sorry, FDA, but
    >>> that's not possible. I'll give you 40 to 120 -- the range I live in --
    >>> and no better.
    >>>

    >>
    >> I keep mine inside the house not in the attic or in the car.

    >
    > Think RV.
    >
    > I.P.


    I'm thinking I couldn't sleep at those temperature ranges let alone store my
    medicines.


  14. #14
    I.P. Freely Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    3Putt in Coastal SC wrote:

    >>> I keep mine inside the house not in the attic or in the car.

    >>
    >> Think RV.
    >>
    >> I.P.

    >
    > I'm thinking I couldn't sleep at those temperature ranges let alone
    > store my medicines.


    Well, I'm SLEEPING at 40-65 in the RV -- we keep our bedroom at home at
    or below 60 by choice all year -- and when I'm away from home with the
    RV but not in it, it reaches ambient desert temps, which can reach the
    mid hundred-and-teens. But even our home winter thermostat, set at
    65/day and 55/night, is outside the preferred range of many meds.

    I.P.

  15. #15
    Tom Cular Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?


    "Steve Kramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:gi956p$gk4$[email protected]..
    >> The fact that every prescription I get coincidentally expires 1 year from
    >> the
    >> date dispensed tells me that not a lot of science has gone into this
    >> determination. More than likely it is "planned obsolescence" with a
    >> financial motivation.


    I just checked all of my prescriptions, they all expire 1 year from the fill
    date. I guess the time on the pharmacy shelf or warehouse doesn't count. I
    asked my wife (a pharmacist), her reply was that the dispensing container
    has an expiration date from the manufacturer that is considerably longer
    than a year for most drugs that are stored properly. Storage in a bathroom
    "medicine cabinet" is probably the worst place due to the high moisture
    present.

    Tom


  16. #16
    Raul Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    On 2008-12-17, Tom Cular <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > "Steve Kramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:gi956p$gk4$[email protected]..
    >>> The fact that every prescription I get coincidentally expires 1 year from
    >>> the
    >>> date dispensed tells me that not a lot of science has gone into this
    >>> determination. More than likely it is "planned obsolescence" with a
    >>> financial motivation.

    >
    > I just checked all of my prescriptions, they all expire 1 year from the fill
    > date. I guess the time on the pharmacy shelf or warehouse doesn't count. I
    > asked my wife (a pharmacist), her reply was that the dispensing container
    > has an expiration date from the manufacturer that is considerably longer
    > than a year for most drugs that are stored properly. Storage in a bathroom
    > "medicine cabinet" is probably the worst place due to the high moisture
    > present.


    If the expire date is based on the dispense date, it is possible the
    pharmacy is compounding your prescription, and the one year expire is an
    artifact of their compounding protocol.

    Most active ingredients in table form are stable to five years when
    stored in a cool, dry environment. So if you're off a few months or so,
    it shouldn't materially affect efficacy. The question to ask yourself is
    how important is this to your health. Out of date Aspirin, ibuprofen, cold
    medications, are unlikely to harm your condition. And you can extend
    that to medications such as anti-hypertensives where you are closely
    monitoring their effect.



  17. #17
    Steve Kramer Guest

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    "Raul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..

    Is this Raul F.T.? RRP six years ago? If so, how have you been since 2004?


    --
    PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
    Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
    RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
    PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
    EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
    PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
    Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
    PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
    Casodex added daily 07/06
    PSA undetectable since, < 0.04 on 10/09/08
    Illegitimati non carborundum



  18. #18
    Raul Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    On 2008-12-19, Steve Kramer <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Raul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >
    > Is this Raul F.T.? RRP six years ago? If so, how have you been since 2004?


    No, sorry... but since we're reminiscing... is Marvin Blickenstaff still
    with us? I recall him from the summer or '04...

  19. #19
    Steve Kramer Guest

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    "Raul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On 2008-12-19, Steve Kramer <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> "Raul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>
    >> Is this Raul F.T.? RRP six years ago? If so, how have you been since
    >> 2004?

    >
    > No, sorry... but since we're reminiscing... is Marvin Blickenstaff still
    > with us? I recall him from the summer or '04...


    Haven't heard from him since June 2004. His PSA was 25 at the time. I
    suspect he did not survive, but his email address was [email protected]






  20. #20
    I.P. Freely Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    Steve Kramer wrote:
    > "Raul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >> On 2008-12-19, Steve Kramer <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> "Raul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>
    >>> Is this Raul F.T.? RRP six years ago? If so, how have you been since
    >>> 2004?

    >> No, sorry... but since we're reminiscing... is Marvin Blickenstaff still
    >> with us? I recall him from the summer or '04...

    >
    > Haven't heard from him since June 2004. His PSA was 25 at the time. I
    > suspect he did not survive, but his email address was [email protected]


    Still is. He's a world-renown pianist and probably way too busy -- maybe
    too healthy -- to spend time here. Google him; his exploits will fill
    your screen ... and your heart.


    7:30 pm, Friday, October 10, 2008
    Sauder Concert Hall
    Guest Recital: Rebecca Martin, soprano, *Marvin Blickenstaff*, piano
    1988 GC alumnus and mezzo-soprano Rebecca Martin returns to campus to
    present a special alumni recital in Sauder Concert Hall with former GC
    professor of music Marvin Blickenstaff, piano.

    Martin and Blickenstaff will perform songs by Schubert, Bartók, Mahler,
    and Copland. Blickenstaff will also perform solo piano works by Liszt,
    Ravel, and Robert Schumann.

    Tickets are $7 adults, $5 seniors/students. Available at the door only.
    GC students are free with valid ID.

    Contact: Music Center, phone (574) 535-7361, email [email protected]

    See also: Click here to visit the Goshen College Music Center!

    I.P.

  21. #21
    Steve Kramer Guest

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    He sounds fantastic. But 'our' Marvin would be 78 or 79. Do you think it
    is the same one?

    "I.P. Freely" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:dkb3l.11043$[email protected]..
    > Steve Kramer wrote:
    >> "Raul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>> On 2008-12-19, Steve Kramer <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>> "Raul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>>
    >>>> Is this Raul F.T.? RRP six years ago? If so, how have you been since
    >>>> 2004?
    >>> No, sorry... but since we're reminiscing... is Marvin Blickenstaff still
    >>> with us? I recall him from the summer or '04...

    >>
    >> Haven't heard from him since June 2004. His PSA was 25 at the time. I
    >> suspect he did not survive, but his email address was [email protected]

    >
    > Still is. He's a world-renown pianist and probably way too busy -- maybe
    > too healthy -- to spend time here. Google him; his exploits will fill your
    > screen ... and your heart.
    >
    >
    > 7:30 pm, Friday, October 10, 2008
    > Sauder Concert Hall
    > Guest Recital: Rebecca Martin, soprano, *Marvin Blickenstaff*, piano
    > 1988 GC alumnus and mezzo-soprano Rebecca Martin returns to campus to
    > present a special alumni recital in Sauder Concert Hall with former GC
    > professor of music Marvin Blickenstaff, piano.
    >
    > Martin and Blickenstaff will perform songs by Schubert, Bartók, Mahler,
    > and Copland. Blickenstaff will also perform solo piano works by Liszt,
    > Ravel, and Robert Schumann.
    >
    > Tickets are $7 adults, $5 seniors/students. Available at the door only. GC
    > students are free with valid ID.
    >
    > Contact: Music Center, phone (574) 535-7361, email [email protected]
    >
    > See also: Click here to visit the Goshen College Music Center!
    >
    > I.P.




  22. #22
    I.P. Freely Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    Steve Kramer wrote:
    > He sounds fantastic. But 'our' Marvin would be 78 or 79. Do you think it
    > is the same one?


    I thought so, but half an hour of Googling has failed to confirm it. The
    last USENET post from [email protected] was in 2005, but that isn't much
    help. The picture I saw of the pianist looked more like a man in his
    60s, but then Dear Abby still looks pretty good, too. I suppose the
    obvious validation would be to e-mail him.

    I.P.

  23. #23
    JKconey Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    Just to continue this. What about cutting time release pills in half?
    Cialis is good for up to 36 hours, but if cut in half does that now give you
    a dose all at once? I think we need a pharmacist?


    --
    JK
    www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com



  24. #24
    I.P. Freely Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    JKconey wrote:
    > Just to continue this. What about cutting time release pills in half?
    > Cialis is good for up to 36 hours, but if cut in half does that now give you
    > a dose all at once? I think we need a pharmacist?
    >


    Pill-cutting guidelines on general say not to cut time-release pills,
    but as with every other "rule", I'm sure there are exceptions, with
    recreational drugs like we're discussing in this thread likely among them.

    I.P.

  25. #25
    JKconey Guest

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    "I.P. Freely" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:_ex3l.44$[email protected]..
    > JKconey wrote:
    >> Just to continue this. What about cutting time release pills in half?
    >> Cialis is good for up to 36 hours, but if cut in half does that now give
    >> you a dose all at once? I think we need a pharmacist?
    >>

    >
    > Pill-cutting guidelines on general say not to cut time-release pills, but
    > as with every other "rule", I'm sure there are exceptions, with
    > recreational drugs like we're discussing in this thread likely among them.
    >
    > I.P.




    Is the time release in the shell coating, or the interior? I have no
    idea how pills are made, or if they are done the same way?


    --
    "Money Won is Twice as Sweet as Money Earned" ... Fast Eddie Felson

    JK
    www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com



  26. #26
    Raul Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    On 2008-12-20, I.P. Freely <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Steve Kramer wrote:
    >> "Raul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>> On 2008-12-19, Steve Kramer <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>> "Raul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>>
    >>>> Is this Raul F.T.? RRP six years ago? If so, how have you been since
    >>>> 2004?
    >>> No, sorry... but since we're reminiscing... is Marvin Blickenstaff still
    >>> with us? I recall him from the summer or '04...

    >>
    >> Haven't heard from him since June 2004. His PSA was 25 at the time. I
    >> suspect he did not survive, but his email address was [email protected]

    >
    > Still is. He's a world-renown pianist and probably way too busy -- maybe
    > too healthy -- to spend time here. Google him; his exploits will fill
    > your screen ... and your heart.


    I saw those, but I don't think that is the same "Marvin", as there was
    seemed to lack any common thread or consistency between the pianist's
    interviews and bio, and Marvin's postings here and on other newsgroups.
    I last heard from Marvin in June 2005 (not '04) and he shared that his PCa
    had metastasized in his bone marrow, and he had few months expectancy...
    God rest his soul.

  27. #27
    I.P. Freely Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    JKconey wrote:

    > Is the time release in the shell coating, or the interior? I have no
    > idea how pills are made, or if they are done the same way?


    I'm not ignoring your follow-up question; it's merely above my pay
    grade. I'll bet we could Google it or call a pharmacist, but the two
    pharmacists I asked about cutting my Ambien TR (timed release) gave me
    opposite answers.

    DELAYED release, as with enteric-coated pills (compressed powder) and
    capsules (little containers of powder or tiny pellets), is generally
    achieved by a "stomach-proof" exterior coating. Timed (two- or
    multiple-stage release) in capsules is probably achieved with various
    coatings on the tiny pellets. I have no idea how timed release is
    achieved in apparently-uniform pills.

    I.P.

  28. #28
    I.P. Freely Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    Raul wrote:

    > I saw those, but I don't think that is the same "Marvin", as there was
    > seemed to lack any common thread or consistency between the pianist's
    > interviews and bio, and Marvin's postings here and on other newsgroups.


    That was my conclusion, too. One's posts were primarily about music; our
    Marvin posted primarily about religion.

    I.P.

  29. #29
    Steve Kramer Guest

    Default Re: Shelf life of our pills?

    "I.P. Freely" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:QoX3l.482$[email protected]..
    > JKconey wrote:
    >
    >> Is the time release in the shell coating, or the interior? I have no
    >> idea how pills are made, or if they are done the same way?

    >
    > I'm not ignoring your follow-up question; it's merely above my pay grade.
    > I'll bet we could Google it or call a pharmacist, but the two pharmacists
    > I asked about cutting my Ambien TR (timed release) gave me opposite
    > answers.


    On this NG, we had the following pharmacist:

    [email protected] gerald rubackin

    [email protected] joisey


    I'll bet they wouldn't mind an email from others on the NG.




    --
    PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
    Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
    RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
    PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
    EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
    PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
    Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
    PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
    Casodex added daily 07/06
    PSA undetectable since, < 0.04 on 10/09/08
    Illegitimati non carborundum



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