Woohoo

My latest PSA, 4.5 years after radiation treatment, is .13.
That's down from .21 at the previous reading.

As the old Indian said in the movie, "Sometimes the magic
works."

Alan

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:08:25 -0400, Alan Meyer <ameyer2@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>My latest PSA, 4.5 years after radiation treatment, is .13.
>That's down from .21 at the previous reading.
>
>As the old Indian said in the movie, "Sometimes the magic
>works."
>
> Alan

Does the Indian have a URL so's we can ask his Medicine Man to rub off
this magic on all of us?

Really delighted for you Alan.
Kind regards
MikeHi

"Alan Meyer" <ameyer2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> My latest PSA, 4.5 years after radiation treatment, is .13.
> That's down from .21 at the previous reading.
>
> As the old Indian said in the movie, "Sometimes the magic
> works."
>
> Alan


It's never boring, is it?

Good pattern ya got going there. Glad to see it.



--
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04, <0.05, <0.04, <0.04, <0.1 2/12/08
Illegitimati non carborundum

As the old Indian said in the movie, "Sometimes the magic
>works."
>
> Alan

Does the Indian have a URL so's we can ask his Medicine Man to rub off
this magic on all of us? ...............



Mike,

I will put a word in for you when I go to Bar harbor,Me for the Pow-wow next
week and see my medicine man he sure worked his magic for me...But I think
it has to be one-on-one for it to work..although he did send me a piece of
cloth he blessed to hold next to my prostate area prior to the surgery..

Your truly,
Owen aka. 'RRPer',
Member Penobscot Indian Nation,
currently residing in Portland,me.
until retirement 2009

RRP 5-6-03
Psa. <.04 since.

"Lowen" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> currently residing in Portland,me.
> until retirement 2009
>
> RRP 5-6-03
> Psa. <.04 since.
>

Good to hear from you again, Owen. I'm retiring in 2009, too. Sometime
between January 16 and May 16, it would appear.

I take it you're moving from Portland. Where to?

Oh, and good to see your PSA is still down.



--
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA <0.04, <0.05, <0.04, <0.04, <0.1 2/12/08
Illegitimati non carborundum

"Steve Kramer" <skramer@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
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> "Lowen" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:g43eh5$hdk$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
>
>> currently residing in Portland,me.
>> until retirement 2009
>>
>> RRP 5-6-03
>> Psa. <.04 since.
>>
>
> Good to hear from you again, Owen. I'm retiring in 2009, too. Sometime
> between January 16 and May 16, it would appear.
>
> I take it you're moving from Portland. Where to?
>
> Oh, and good to see your PSA is still down.
>

My last day of actual work is Dec 20 2008, then I'm taking my remaining
vacation of 8 wks. which will put me officially retired mid-Feb 09..With
35yrs 10mos. of service. All I can say is since I decided to retire , this
has been the longest year of my life, It goes even slower once you start
counting the days.., But one good thing is that every night I can gladly say
" Well I won't have to do that again on this day next year "..

Yes we'll be moving back to the reservation in Old town, I bought a couple
of acres, and am gonna build a new beginning on an old foundation and enjoy
family and friends and pick up where we left off where we grew up.
Who said 'you can never go back'.! You can if in your heart 'you never left'
and stayed in touch..

Have got me a new truck and camper , and plan to do some traveling, May be
in your area someday, never know where we may end up cause I don't ever want
to plan anything when retired..

But have also got me a laptop and Wi-fi capable so I can keep in touch with
the group..

Take care, Later,
Owen

OUTSTANDING, Alan....
]
Gourd Dancer
"Alan Meyer" <ameyer2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> My latest PSA, 4.5 years after radiation treatment, is .13.
> That's down from .21 at the previous reading.
>
> As the old Indian said in the movie, "Sometimes the magic
> works."
>
> Alan

On June 27, Alan Meyer wrote:

> My latest PSA, 4.5 years after radiation treatment, is .13.
> That's down from .21 at the previous reading.
>
> As the old Indian said in the movie, "Sometimes the magic
> works."

My junkyard-mind has surfaced this tidbit: The movie was "Little Big
Man." Dustin Hoffman. The Indian (tch, not PC) was Dan George.

He spoke that line after he failed to die on schedule. A silly ending.
In the book, he succeeded.

Regards,

Steve J

Steve Jordan wrote:
> On June 27, Alan Meyer wrote:
>
>> My latest PSA, 4.5 years after radiation treatment, is .13.
>> That's down from .21 at the previous reading.
>>
>> As the old Indian said in the movie, "Sometimes the magic
>> works."
>
> My junkyard-mind has surfaced this tidbit: The movie was "Little Big
> Man." Dustin Hoffman. The Indian (tch, not PC) was Dan George.
>
> He spoke that line after he failed to die on schedule. A silly ending.
> In the book, he succeeded.

It's probably been 40 years since I saw the movie, but
I remember the line.

I also recall the line following it was:

"Sometimes it doesn't"

Alan

"Lowen" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> My last day of actual work is Dec 20 2008, then I'm taking my remaining
> vacation of 8 wks. which will put me officially retired mid-Feb 09..With
> 35yrs 10mos. of service. All I can say is since I decided to retire , this
> has been the longest year of my life, It goes even slower once you start
> counting the days.., But one good thing is that every night I can gladly
> say " Well I won't have to do that again on this day next year "..

Ha! Same here. My last actual day may be 27 days after yours. Everyday, I
think I won't be here next year. We do a changeover twice a year. Once on
September 1 and once on May 16. I've told my people I won't be here for the
next summer changeover. I can leave January 16 and run my accumulated time
out until March 29, 2011. But, I just can't see leaving during the winter.
I'd have almost nothing to do. So, it will probably be closer to May. I'll
have 36 years of service in about a month. Can still remember my first day
like it was yesterday.

> Yes we'll be moving back to the reservation in Old town, I bought a couple
> of acres, and am gonna build a new beginning on an old foundation and
> enjoy family and friends and pick up where we left off where we grew up.
> Who said 'you can never go back'.! You can if in your heart 'you never
> left' and stayed in touch..

I can never go back. My old neighborhood is now falling towards slums.
When I moved to this condo, I told my children they'd be moving my furniture
(especially that 1 ton billiard table) out.

> Have got me a new truck and camper , and plan to do some traveling, May be
> in your area someday, never know where we may end up cause I don't ever
> want to plan anything when retired..

Same here. We're going to travel in my F150. But, no camper. Pat doesn't
do well camping.

YEAHHHH!
jloomis
"Alan Meyer" <ameyer2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:g42vmt$g3v$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> My latest PSA, 4.5 years after radiation treatment, is .13.
> That's down from .21 at the previous reading.
>
> As the old Indian said in the movie, "Sometimes the magic
> works."
>
> Alan

"Alan Meyer" <ameyer2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:g42vmt$g3v$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> My latest PSA, 4.5 years after radiation treatment, is .13.
> That's down from .21 at the previous reading.
>
> As the old Indian said in the movie, "Sometimes the magic
> works."
>
SUPER!!! Our oncologist told me that 0.20 was where they like to see
the PSA after the HDR and radiation treatment. Ron was at 0.37 in Feb.
Had one done in May, but no call so must have been OK.....I hope. Next
one is late August. Keep those fingers crossed. But he feels 300%
better now that he is off HT.

Cheers....the two of us.

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:08:25 -0400, Alan Meyer <ameyer2@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>My latest PSA, 4.5 years after radiation treatment, is .13.
>That's down from .21 at the previous reading.
>
Great!

Given we had similar treatment, my last was 0.20 down from 0.23 (3 mth
intervals.)

My HDRB was July 12-13, 2005 and last of 18 mths ADT was Jan 2006
TURP done D/day 06/06/06 ... almost peeing properly lately
excepting RE from TURP (not pleasant for a youngster like me!)

-Please reply to group as my email addr is fake!

-Regards CC

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:08:25 -0400, Alan Meyer <ameyer2@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>My latest PSA, 4.5 years after radiation treatment, is .13.
>That's down from .21 at the previous reading.
>
>As the old Indian said in the movie, "Sometimes the magic
>works."
>
> Alan

That's great news! You RT bods get to enjoy a bonus, with the
possibility of things actually getting better over time - after an RP
the best we can hope for is stability...

"Alan Meyer" <ameyer2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:g42vmt$g3v$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> My latest PSA, 4.5 years after radiation treatment, is .13.
> That's down from .21 at the previous reading.
>
> As the old Indian said in the movie, "Sometimes the magic
> works."
>
> Alan

That's great, enjoy !

Great news Alan.

Did you have to pay 'em any wampum? :-)

Best,

Ron B.

rosbif wrote:
> ...
> That's great news! You RT bods get to enjoy a bonus, with the
> possibility of things actually getting better over time - after an RP
> the best we can hope for is stability...

As I understand it, the theory is that radiation does not
kill the cancer cells, it damages their DNA. Cancer cells
already have damaged DNA and are already unable to repair
it (something normal cells can do). So damaging them
further means that they have REALLY damaged DNA. Some time
later the cells attempt to divide and multiply. When they
do, they fail because the DNA doesn't work right, and they
die.

If they die, they're gone. If they don't divide they live
on but are harmless since tumor cells are only a problem
if they multiply.

So I guess what's happening is that there are some prostate
cells that haven't divided in years but, for some reason,
they try and die in the process.

This is all somewhat murky to me. Surgery is cut and dried
(forgive the pun) and easy to understand. Radiation is
trickier. I wish we had a real rad onc on this group who
would explain the details.

Alan

rosbif wrote:
> ...
> That's great news! You RT bods get to enjoy a bonus, with the
> possibility of things actually getting better over time - after an RP
> the best we can hope for is stability...

As I understand it, the theory is that radiation does not
kill the cancer cells, it damages their DNA. Cancer cells
already have damaged DNA and are already unable to repair
it (something normal cells can do). So damaging them
further means that they have REALLY damaged DNA. Some time
later the cells attempt to divide and multiply. When they
do, they fail because the DNA doesn't work right, and they
die.

If they die, they're gone. If they don't divide they live
on but are harmless since tumor cells are only a problem
if they multiply.

So I guess what's happening is that there are some prostate
cells that haven't divided in years but, for some reason,
they try and die in the process.

This is all somewhat murky to me. Surgery is cut and dried
(forgive the pun) and easy to understand. Radiation is
trickier. I wish we had a real rad onc on this group who
would explain the details.

Alan

Ron B wrote:
> Great news Alan.
>
> Did you have to pay 'em any wampum? :-)

I was prepared to, but in this case the magic was
performed in a clinical trial. My wampum was politely
refused.

Alan wrote:

>As the old Indian said in the movie, "Sometimes the magic
>>works."

I asked:
>
>Does the Indian have a URL so's we can ask his Medicine Man to rub off
>this magic on all of us? ...............


Own replied:
>
>I will put a word in for you when I go to Bar harbor,Me for the Pow-wow next
>week and see my medicine man he sure worked his magic for me...But I think
>it has to be one-on-one for it to work..although he did send me a piece of
>cloth he blessed to hold next to my prostate area prior to the surgery..
>
>Your truly,
> Owen aka. 'RRPer',
>Member Penobscot Indian Nation,


Owen,

How.

Me most grateful. Penobscot Medicine's sure done you the world of
good re PSA reading! Hope Pow Wow agrees I can at least borrow the
cloth. (Although, come to think of it, I don't have a prostate left
any more....H'mmm.... thinks....)

My very best wishes.

Mike

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:44:38 -0400, Alan Meyer <ameyer2@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>rosbif wrote:
>> ...
>> That's great news! You RT bods get to enjoy a bonus, with the
>> possibility of things actually getting better over time - after an RP
>> the best we can hope for is stability...
>
>As I understand it, the theory is that radiation does not
>kill the cancer cells, it damages their DNA. Cancer cells
>already have damaged DNA and are already unable to repair
>it (something normal cells can do). So damaging them
>further means that they have REALLY damaged DNA. Some time
>later the cells attempt to divide and multiply. When they
>do, they fail because the DNA doesn't work right, and they
>die.
>
>If they die, they're gone. If they don't divide they live
>on but are harmless since tumor cells are only a problem
>if they multiply.
>
>So I guess what's happening is that there are some prostate
>cells that haven't divided in years but, for some reason,
>they try and die in the process.
>
>This is all somewhat murky to me. Surgery is cut and dried
>(forgive the pun) and easy to understand. Radiation is
>trickier. I wish we had a real rad onc on this group who
>would explain the details.
>

Appreciate the illustration, it's fascinating. Thanks Alan.

GREAT Alan!

And thanks for your input.

Keep them PSA's down...

Ron B.

Chicago

Cheers to Ron also, Heather. :-)

The best to all of you...woohoo.

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