Bowel, liver & lung cancer

JC wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:09:48 -0500, J <xnswex@nalid;"no> wrote:
> >JC wrote:
> >> I am 64. The Oncologist has confirmed that I am at stage 4. I had
> >> guessed that judging on the speed that all doctors were responding.
> [...]
> >If I'm reading this right, if the stent retry fails, they immediately switch to
> >removal and work on the liver (on Tuesday?)
>
> I learned today that the stent install is a temporary measure to stop
> the bowel polyp from completely blocking the bowel. The next
> operation, currently scheduled on either 9th April or 16th April, will
> take out the bowel polyp and remove the tumours from the liver.
>
> I also learned that the lung "spot" is not thought to be a tumour which
> is good news.

That is fabulous news !

> I came across this link that you might be interested in:-
>
> http://jco.ascopubs.org/cgi/content/full/20/6/1442
>
> >So it'll be a week or so, before we hear from you again?
>
> No, I should be home again tomorrow afternoon after the stent insertion
> retry..

Yes, I see that now that I see the plan all laid out.

> [...]
> >I tol them to send me taller people to help me out of bed; from thereon it was
> >a shoe-in, to keep moving and recover. Speak up if something similar happens to
> >you. Yours is much more complex than mine, and I was much younger, so
> >patience, but do get up and moving as soon as they give you the okay to do so.
>
> Thanks for the heads up. I've had nothing to eat all day and my tummy
> keeps telling me about it. Hopefully, I will be able to sleep through
> it.

I hope so. It's hard to go without eating so long, before tests or surgeries.

> My mum had knee replacement surgery and refused to walk as it hurt her
> so much. As a result she never really walked after the surgery. I
> have learned from that and won't follow her example on this.

I hear you.

> >I do hope you had adequate time to ask questions and "what if's". If you have
> >some (more), contact them now; please don't wait until being given anesthetic.
> >Alternatively, have the questions written for when the surgeon sees you at the
> >hospital the day (or night?) before the surgery.
> >
> >I'll be thinking of you and so hope all goes well for you and will be watching
> >for your return. Wishing you success and speedy recovery.
>
> Many thanks. I appreciate you and the others being here for me.

You're welcome, JC

I read your link. I will try to reread later today, along with these, which may have
points of interest for you.
I also need time to look up side effects vs success rates of chemos where mentioned.

http://www1.wfubmc.edu/articles/CME+Liver+Resection.htm
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1421269
http://www.livercancer.com/treatments/surgery.html

Wishing you all my best. See you soon, JC.
J

On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:36:48 -0700 (PDT), Alex
<usenetgirl@gmail.com> wrote:


Are we back to character assassinations again? Or you off of
your medications?



>
>The information I know about you I know from your postings
>
>You try to give realistic information, but that is flawed since you
>have no medical background or personal information.
>
>Correct on what points I have wrong?
>
>Not a cancer survivor.
>
>Never a caretaker, Your mother with cancer died in hospital.
>
>Your uncle who recently died you never saw after his diagnosis
>
>You are not a medical professional, you don't have any medical
>training, yet you ask people there age , pathology, and chemo
>treatments. These are questions health professionals ask to formulate
>a diagnosis and a treatment plan,
>
>You copy copyright protected materials without permission.
>
>FYI:
>
>My dad had extensive bowel surgery in the early 90's, Because of his
>age Late 80's he was in the ICU for a few days and discharge in less
>than a week. He had prostate cancer. They also did an exploratory
>laporatomy and took out 8 feet of bowel. He lived 3 more years, he did
>not have colon cancer.
>
>I cite my examples from personal experience.
>
>
>I'll give you points for trying to control the this Usenet. But it is
>not your personal usenet group. Why do set up a blog, ask people to
>come to it for your "answers" and you will have total control on the
>information you give them.
>
>JC...
>
>Best of luck let us know how you make out

On Mar 31, 6:44 pm, Just Me <edvanhu...@mail.roadrunner.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:36:48 -0700 (PDT), Alex
>
> <usenetg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Are we back to character assassinations again? Or you off of
> your medications?
>


I only spoke truths, correct me if I am wrong, It is makes you feel
better insulting me I am strong.

I guess you like to read disinformation that J likes to post. I am
trying to give a cancer patient or care giver prespective which she
doesn't have.

On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:05:51 +1100, JC <jc@invalid.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:17:56 -0500, J <nswex@nalid;"no> wrote:
>
>>JC wrote:
>>
>>> Well, today was a failure. The doc couldn't insert the stent as the
>>> polyp was blocking the bowel almost completely. The attempt was made
>>> using a wire to guide the stent into position and he was unable, despite
>>> trying for 90 minutes, to guide the wire through the polyp.
>>>
>>> He is going to try again using some form of guided instrument, that he
>>> didn't have today, to see if they can get past the polyp. This will
>>> probably be Friday or early next week. Great, another 1 1/2 days of
>>> cleansing fluids and no real meals.
>>>
>>> If this second attempt fails my onco agrees that the next step is to
>>> surgically remove the polyp and surrounding bowel and tissue. That
>>> will delay the onset of chemo by at least 5 weeks - 1 week in hospital
>>> and 4 weeks recovery.
>>
>>Best wishes, JC.
>
>Hi J,
>
>Many thanks for your info and best wishes.
>
>I am 64. The Oncologist has confirmed that I am at stage 4. I had
>guessed that judging on the speed that all doctors were responding.
>
>The Oncologist has changed the plan. The plan was discussed by a panel
>of 4 doctors - the Oncologist, the bowel specialist, the stent insertion
>doctor and now a liver specialist. This is getting bigger than Quo
>Vadis.
>
>The Oncologist told me that one of the drugs used in the chemo would
>badly affect the neuropathy in my feet. They could use another drug
>but that would prevent any operations on the tumours. He now proposes
>to operate on the liver tumours instead of doing the chemo and the
>trial. If the stent insertion retry fails on Tuesday then they would
>do the liver surgery and a resection of the bowel to cut out the bowel
>polyp in the one operation. Either way it looks like I am up for a
>stay in the hospital for a week or so. They would need to do some
>follow up chemo to do something for the lung tumour after a recovery
>period. They can do this because the lung tumour is smaller than the
>other two.
>
>I think I prefer one operation rather than 2 separate ones so that is
>good. I'm also happier with the operation to remove the tumours as the
>chemo strikes me as a "try it and see if it works" type of approach.

I am back after the stent install which went well. I was also told
today that the bowel & liver operation would be carried out on 9th April
so it doesn't look like the stent will be in for long.

I had a terrible night with the Picoprep bowel cleanser. I think that
the cause was a blockage at the polyp so only trickles made it through
until 3AM when the dam wall broke. Not a good preparation for an
operation given that I only got 3 hours sleep max.
--

Cheers . . . JC

JC wrote:

> [...]
> >I think I prefer one operation rather than 2 separate ones so that is
> >good. I'm also happier with the operation to remove the tumours as the
> >chemo strikes me as a "try it and see if it works" type of approach.
>
> I am back after the stent install which went well. I was also told
> today that the bowel & liver operation would be carried out on 9th April
> so it doesn't look like the stent will be in for long.
>
> I had a terrible night with the Picoprep bowel cleanser. I think that
> the cause was a blockage at the polyp so only trickles made it through
> until 3AM when the dam wall broke. Not a good preparation for an
> operation given that I only got 3 hours sleep max.

Hello JC
It's good to have you back and that the stent install went well.
Given what you describe, I think I'd stay on the liquid diet and/or avoid hard
to chew or fibrous foods, Until after the
April 9th surgery. Just my opinion and/or i may be misunderstanding.
All my best, JC.
J - hoping you're now getting caught up on sleep.

Wonderful news. When I was preparing for surgery my team told me to
eat whatever I wanted. I would ask your surgeon or staff what you
limitations should be.

Your health team is your best source of information...... this is a
great place for emotional support.

Bad news is that some surgeons like another bowel prep prior to
surgery but usually this prep is not as intense.

April 9th.....a week to prepare, do something special.

Alex

On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:13:41 -0500, J <xnswex@nalid;"no> wrote:

>JC wrote:
>
>> [...]
>> >I think I prefer one operation rather than 2 separate ones so that is
>> >good. I'm also happier with the operation to remove the tumours as the
>> >chemo strikes me as a "try it and see if it works" type of approach.
>>
>> I am back after the stent install which went well. I was also told
>> today that the bowel & liver operation would be carried out on 9th April
>> so it doesn't look like the stent will be in for long.
>>
>> I had a terrible night with the Picoprep bowel cleanser. I think that
>> the cause was a blockage at the polyp so only trickles made it through
>> until 3AM when the dam wall broke. Not a good preparation for an
>> operation given that I only got 3 hours sleep max.
>
>Hello JC
>It's good to have you back and that the stent install went well.
>Given what you describe, I think I'd stay on the liquid diet and/or avoid hard
>to chew or fibrous foods, Until after the
>April 9th surgery. Just my opinion and/or i may be misunderstanding.
>All my best, JC.

Hi J

I spoke too soon about the stent install working - it lasted for about
14 hours and then it decided to emerge. Sigh!

I called the doctors concerned and they have now firmly scheduled the
operation on the 9th - there was some doubt from one of the doctors who
wanted it on 30th April. The prospect of the bowel polyp closing the
bowel was too big a concern to delay it that long especially after the
problems I had with the most recent bowel cleansing.

Given the problems with the bowel polyp your advice on the choice of
foods is excellent. That should lessen any problems if the polyp does
start to close up.
--

Cheers . . . JC

JC wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 JC wrote:
> Hi J
>
> I spoke too soon about the stent install working - it lasted for about
> 14 hours and then it decided to emerge. Sigh!
>
> I called the doctors concerned and they have now firmly scheduled the
> operation on the 9th - there was some doubt from one of the doctors who
> wanted it on 30th April. The prospect of the bowel polyp closing the
> bowel was too big a concern to delay it that long especially after the
> problems I had with the most recent bowel cleansing.
>
> Given the problems with the bowel polyp your advice on the choice of
> foods is excellent. That should lessen any problems if the polyp does
> start to close up.

Hello JC,
I "half" expected there might be a problem with the stent, given the way the bowel
works and the location and size of your tumor. Sorry to hear about that.

I wish they could get going faster on the surgery. We'll have to be patient.
I trust that all will go well for you. Will they be doing the liver at the same
time (or defer until later?)

There's a section here about coping
http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=2800
Within it, there's a section on diet (after surgery). which seems to apply to
whether a person has a colostomy or not.
My Dad had a colostomy, and he found "work arounds" for every problem. As they say
there, it takes some experimenting and time. His problems were his teeth (or lack
thereof ; so after the surgery(ies) I hope that you'll get regular dental care
and keep your (own) teeth as long as possible.

Sorry I'm late replying. A traumatic event occurred and I haven't been on the
computer much at all.
Things will settle down soon.

If you have questions, thoughts to share, please be assured I am here, reading and
caring.
While we await (the surgery).

Best wishes,
J

> Hello JC,
> I "half" expected there might be a problem with the stent, given the way the bowel
> works and the location and size of your tumor. Sorry to hear about that.

Could you share your personal experiences with colonic stents? I had
never heard of them prior to JC's Experience.
>
> I wish they could get going faster on the surgery. We'll have to be patient.

Your having surgery to? Best of luck, is it on your elbow?

Actually waiting less a few weeks for major surgery is standard( at
least here in the USA) since it requires a special surgical team of
surgeons, nurses and techs...... also there needs to be an inpatient
bed available.
> I trust that all will go well for you. Will they be doing the liver at the same
> time (or defer until later?)

That is a decision the surgical team will make, usually the surgeon
will do a exploratory lap to view the whole the abdomen.


JC best of luck, ask lots of questions.

Alex

On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:27:43 -0500, J <xnswex@nalid;"no> wrote:

>JC wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 JC wrote:
>> Hi J
>>
>> I spoke too soon about the stent install working - it lasted for about
>> 14 hours and then it decided to emerge. Sigh!
>>
>> I called the doctors concerned and they have now firmly scheduled the
>> operation on the 9th - there was some doubt from one of the doctors who
>> wanted it on 30th April. The prospect of the bowel polyp closing the
>> bowel was too big a concern to delay it that long especially after the
>> problems I had with the most recent bowel cleansing.
>>
>> Given the problems with the bowel polyp your advice on the choice of
>> foods is excellent. That should lessen any problems if the polyp does
>> start to close up.
>
>Hello JC,
>I "half" expected there might be a problem with the stent, given the way the bowel
>works and the location and size of your tumor. Sorry to hear about that.
>
>I wish they could get going faster on the surgery. We'll have to be patient.
>I trust that all will go well for you. Will they be doing the liver at the same
>time (or defer until later?)

I'm impressed with the speed that they have scheduled the operation -
the stent was installed on 1st April, failed on 2nd April and the
surgery is now scheduled for 9th April. That is fast in my book for
anything other than an emergency.

>There's a section here about coping
>http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=2800
>Within it, there's a section on diet (after surgery). which seems to apply to
>whether a person has a colostomy or not.

Thanks for that. Will have a good look through the info.

>My Dad had a colostomy, and he found "work arounds" for every problem. As they say
>there, it takes some experimenting and time. His problems were his teeth (or lack
>thereof ; so after the surgery(ies) I hope that you'll get regular dental care
>and keep your (own) teeth as long as possible.

So far I have all my teeth.

>Sorry I'm late replying. A traumatic event occurred and I haven't been on the
>computer much at all. Things will settle down soon.

I hope so for your sake. I have a favourite saying "nil carborundum
illegitemi" - don't let the bastards grind you down. It got me through
years of working in a semi government organisation and is helping me get
through the current medical problems.

I also feel that life is like a hand of cards in a card game - you're
dealt the cards and you must play with what you have. There is nothing
to be gained by complaining about the poor cards that you have and
everything to gain by playing them to the full.

>If you have questions, thoughts to share, please be assured I am here, reading and
>caring. While we await (the surgery).
>
>Best wishes,
>J

And best wishes to you with regard to your recent traumatic event.
Remember to keep smiling - they will wonder what you know. <g>
--

Cheers . . . JC

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:01:29 -0700 (PDT), Alex <usenetgirl@gmail.com>
wrote:


>> I trust that all will go well for you. Will they be doing the liver at the same
>> time (or defer until later?)
>
>That is a decision the surgical team will make, usually the surgeon
>will do a exploratory lap to view the whole the abdomen.

I gather that the surgeon will have a good look at the stomach and
possibly other organs and only operate on the liver if they are clear.

>JC best of luck, ask lots of questions.

Thanks, Alex.
--

Cheers . . . JC

On Apr 4, 6:56 am, JC <j...@invalid.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:01:29 -0700 (PDT), Alex <usenetg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> I trust that all will go well for you. Will they be doing the liver at the same
> >> time (or defer until later?)
>
> >That is a decision the surgical team will make, usually the surgeon
> >will do a exploratory lap to view the whole the abdomen.
>
> I gather that the surgeon will have a good look at the stomach and
> possibly other organs and only operate on the liver if they are clear.
>
> >JC best of luck, ask lots of questions.
>
> Thanks, Alex.
> --
>
> Cheers . . . JC

Sorry an exploratory Lap is a complete look around the internal
organs,
some surgeons here are doing a combination key hole and incision.

Bowel surgery is one of most common major surgeries a general surgeon
performs.

As I said before waiting is the worst....I had to wait a month when I
had my mastectomy.

Alex wrote:

> > Hello JC,
> > I "half" expected there might be a problem with the stent, given the way the bowel
> > works and the location and size of your tumor. Sorry to hear about that.
>
> colonic stents? I had never heard of them prior to JC's Experience.

You must be a paper-pusher?
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/562457_2 Curr Opin Gastroenterol.
2007;23(05):544-549.
New Developments in Colonic Stent Technique and Techniques: How

Technique
Since its original description by Dohmoto in the early 1990s, the technique of
preoperative colonic stenting has remained unchanged.[1

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/176/6/762 CMAJ • March 13, 2007; 176 (6).
doi:10.1503/cmaj.060843.
systematic pooled analysis that included 54 published reports with a total of 1198
patients found a technical success rate of 94% and a median clinical success rate
(relief of obstruction) of 91%.3 Major complications included stent migration (11.8%),
recurrent obstruction (7.3%), perforation (3.8%) and death (0.58%).3"
J

On Apr 4, 6:07 pm, J <xnswex@nalid;"no> wrote:
> Alex wrote:
> > > Hello JC,
> > > I "half" expected there might be a problem with the stent, given the way the bowel
> > > works and the location and size of your tumor. Sorry to hear about that.
>
> > colonic stents? I had never heard of them prior to JC's Experience.
>
> You must be a paper-pusher?http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/562457_2Curr Opin Gastroenterol.
> 2007;23(05):544-549.
> New Developments in Colonic Stent Technique and Techniques: How
>
> Technique
> Since its original description by Dohmoto in the early 1990s, the technique of
> preoperative colonic stenting has remained unchanged.[1
>
> http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/176/6/762 CMAJ * March 13, 2007; 176 (6).
> doi:10.1503/cmaj.060843.
> systematic pooled analysis that included 54 published reports with a total of 1198
> patients found a technical success rate of 94% and a median clinical success rate
> (relief of obstruction) of 91%.3 Major complications included stent migration (11.8%),
> recurrent obstruction (7.3%), perforation (3.8%) and death (0.58%).3"
> J
You didn't answer my question, what is your personal experience with
colonic stents.....I have never seen or heard of one. Have you ever
had a friend or family member with one? Internet does not count . You
need to learn how to read medical papers I would be happy to teach
you, but first you need access to a medical library where you can
read the whole paper, and learn how to analyze it. Plus I hold you
have taken a recent course in stats.

Best of luck on your upcoming surgery J,

"Alex" <usenetgirl@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5804a484-ffae-41a1-9f6a-a3c68c8e7921@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> You didn't answer my question, what is your personal experience with
> colonic stents.....I have never seen or heard of one. Have you ever
> had a friend or family member with one? Internet does not count . You
> need to learn how to read medical papers I would be happy to teach
> you, but first you need access to a medical library where you can
> read the whole paper, and learn how to analyze it. Plus I hold you
> have taken a recent course in stats.
>
> Best of luck on your upcoming surgery J,

Stop being such a pompous ass, Alex.
You'd never seen or heard of pre emptive pinning of femurs either. For
someone with such extensive experience, I'd suggest YOU need to spend a bit
more time in the medical library

"Steph" <steph@vancouvers.island> wrote in message
news:m0BJj.156415$pM4.102551@pd7urf1no...
>
> "Alex" <usenetgirl@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5804a484-ffae-41a1-9f6a-a3c68c8e7921@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> You didn't answer my question, what is your personal experience with
>> colonic stents.....I have never seen or heard of one. Have you ever
>> had a friend or family member with one? Internet does not count . You
>> need to learn how to read medical papers I would be happy to teach
>> you, but first you need access to a medical library where you can
>> read the whole paper, and learn how to analyze it. Plus I hold you
>> have taken a recent course in stats.
>>
>> Best of luck on your upcoming surgery J,
>
> Stop being such a pompous ass, Alex.
> You'd never seen or heard of pre emptive pinning of femurs either. For
> someone with such extensive experience, I'd suggest YOU need to spend a
> bit more time in the medical library
>

This is from a Board certified internal medicine doctor who hasn't heard of
the current standard of care for CHF, that was approved in 2001. I guess in
Canada, anyone with a computer can diagnosis and give medical advice. I
post her as a cancer survivor....... I want to make that clear.


J is a health professional want to be, If she is going to do it, she should
get the proper education and credentials and post her intentions here.

"xela56" <noaccount@nw.nl> wrote in message
news:AcmdnR14tPX0-WranZ2dnUVZ_sSlnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Steph" <steph@vancouvers.island> wrote in message
> news:m0BJj.156415$pM4.102551@pd7urf1no...
>>
>> "Alex" <usenetgirl@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5804a484-ffae-41a1-9f6a-a3c68c8e7921@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>> You didn't answer my question, what is your personal experience with
>>> colonic stents.....I have never seen or heard of one. Have you ever
>>> had a friend or family member with one? Internet does not count . You
>>> need to learn how to read medical papers I would be happy to teach
>>> you, but first you need access to a medical library where you can
>>> read the whole paper, and learn how to analyze it. Plus I hold you
>>> have taken a recent course in stats.
>>>
>>> Best of luck on your upcoming surgery J,
>>
>> Stop being such a pompous ass, Alex.
>> You'd never seen or heard of pre emptive pinning of femurs either. For
>> someone with such extensive experience, I'd suggest YOU need to spend a
>> bit more time in the medical library
>>
>
> This is from a Board certified internal medicine doctor who hasn't heard
> of the current standard of care for CHF, that was approved in 2001. I
> guess in Canada, anyone with a computer can diagnosis and give medical
> advice. I post her as a cancer survivor....... I want to make that clear.
>

What's congestive heart failure got do do with the price of milk on a cancer
newsgroup?

>
> J is a health professional want to be, If she is going to do it, she
> should get the proper education and credentials and post her intentions
> here.

And maybe you should stick to posting under your own name and stop being
such a silly, vindictive, spoilt brat.

On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 07:37:11 -0400, "xela56" <noaccount@nw.nl>
wrote:

>
>"Steph" <steph@vancouvers.island> wrote in message
>news:m0BJj.156415$pM4.102551@pd7urf1no...
>>
>> "Alex" <usenetgirl@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5804a484-ffae-41a1-9f6a-a3c68c8e7921@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>> You didn't answer my question, what is your personal experience with
>>> colonic stents.....I have never seen or heard of one. Have you ever
>>> had a friend or family member with one? Internet does not count . You
>>> need to learn how to read medical papers I would be happy to teach
>>> you, but first you need access to a medical library where you can
>>> read the whole paper, and learn how to analyze it. Plus I hold you
>>> have taken a recent course in stats.
>>>
>>> Best of luck on your upcoming surgery J,
>>
>> Stop being such a pompous ass, Alex.
>> You'd never seen or heard of pre emptive pinning of femurs either. For
>> someone with such extensive experience, I'd suggest YOU need to spend a
>> bit more time in the medical library
>>
>
>This is from a Board certified internal medicine doctor who hasn't heard of
>the current standard of care for CHF, that was approved in 2001. I guess in
>Canada, anyone with a computer can diagnosis and give medical advice. I
>post her as a cancer survivor....... I want to make that clear.
>
>
>J is a health professional want to be, If she is going to do it, she should
>get the proper education and credentials and post her intentions here.

Now you are a sock puppet, or still the phony pompous person you
always have been. Get back on your meds.

JC wrote:

> J wrote:
>
> >> I trust that all will go well for you. Will they be doing the liver at the same
> >> time (or defer until later?)
> I gather that the surgeon will have a good look at the stomach and
> possibly other organs and only operate on the liver if they are clear.

Thanks for clarifying, JC.
Only a few days to go now.
Have a nice Sunday,
J

JC wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:27:43 -0500, J <xnswex@nalid;"no> wrote:
>
> >I'm impressed with the speed that they have scheduled the operation -
> the stent was installed on 1st April, failed on 2nd April and the
> surgery is now scheduled for 9th April. That is fast in my book for
> anything other than an emergency.
> [snip]
>
> >Sorry I'm late replying. A traumatic event occurred and I haven't been on the
> >computer much at all. Things will settle down soon.
>
> I hope so for your sake. I have a favourite saying "nil carborundum
> illegitemi" - don't let the bastards grind you down. It got me through
> years of working in a semi government organisation and is helping me get
> through the current medical problems.
>
> I also feel that life is like a hand of cards in a card game - you're
> dealt the cards and you must play with what you have. There is nothing
> to be gained by complaining about the poor cards that you have and
> everything to gain by playing them to the full.
>
> And best wishes to you with regard to your recent traumatic event.
> Remember to keep smiling - they will wonder what you know. <g>

Well said, JC Thank you and I hope you're continuing to feel well.
J

> Now you are a sock puppet, or still the phony pompous person you
> always have been. Get back on your meds.


Why don't you learn how to manage your meds. By your own admission you
overdosed on coumadin.....you need to learn about your meds. I am glad you
are cancer free, but you need to speak to a health professional, doctor,
nurse or pharmacist on how to manage your meds.
Glad to hear you are cancer free.

On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 22:20:30 -0400, "xela56" <noaccount@nw.nl>
wrote:

>> Now you are a sock puppet, or still the phony pompous person you
>> always have been. Get back on your meds.
>
>
>Why don't you learn how to manage your meds. By your own admission you
>overdosed on coumadin.....you need to learn about your meds. I am glad you
>are cancer free, but you need to speak to a health professional, doctor,
>nurse or pharmacist on how to manage your meds.
>Glad to hear you are cancer free.


The fact that the Doctor admittedly has not been able to
properly regulate coumadin in me, which I have been told is not
that rare considering the nature of the beast, does not mean
that I have overdosed. If you are told to take a 10 mg tablet,
and get a reaction, you did not intentionally overdose, even if
the Doctor cuts back on the size of the dose. You can be given
the same description as I gave the colonoscopy. Oh yes, your
name is Alex, your alias is just as ridiculous.

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:05:38 -0400, Just Me
<edvanhufel@mail.roadrunner.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 22:20:30 -0400, "xela56" <noaccount@nw.nl>
>wrote:
>
>>> Now you are a sock puppet, or still the phony pompous person you
>>> always have been. Get back on your meds.
>>
>>
>>Why don't you learn how to manage your meds. By your own admission you
>>overdosed on coumadin.....you need to learn about your meds. I am glad you
>>are cancer free, but you need to speak to a health professional, doctor,
>>nurse or pharmacist on how to manage your meds.
>>Glad to hear you are cancer free.
>
>
>The fact that the Doctor admittedly has not been able to
>properly regulate coumadin in me, which I have been told is not
>that rare considering the nature of the beast, does not mean
>that I have overdosed. If you are told to take a 10 mg tablet,
>and get a reaction, you did not intentionally overdose, even if
>the Doctor cuts back on the size of the dose. You can be given
>the same description as I gave the colonoscopy. Oh yes, your
>name is Alex, your alias is just as ridiculous.

I forgot to mention that he took me off of the coumadin, and put
me on Warfarin. Maybe that will work.

"Just Me" <edvanhufel@mail.roadrunner.com> wrote in message
news:vnqiv3tasev6e7auf0s54bedv57rt9ao52@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:05:38 -0400, Just Me
> <edvanhufel@mail.roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 22:20:30 -0400, "xela56" <noaccount@nw.nl>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>> Now you are a sock puppet, or still the phony pompous person you
>>>> always have been. Get back on your meds.
>>>
>>>
>>>Why don't you learn how to manage your meds. By your own admission you
>>>overdosed on coumadin.....you need to learn about your meds. I am glad
>>>you
>>>are cancer free, but you need to speak to a health professional, doctor,
>>>nurse or pharmacist on how to manage your meds.
>>>Glad to hear you are cancer free.
>>
>>
>>The fact that the Doctor admittedly has not been able to
>>properly regulate coumadin in me, which I have been told is not
>>that rare considering the nature of the beast, does not mean
>>that I have overdosed. If you are told to take a 10 mg tablet,
>>and get a reaction, you did not intentionally overdose, even if
>>the Doctor cuts back on the size of the dose. You can be given
>>the same description as I gave the colonoscopy. Oh yes, your
>>name is Alex, your alias is just as ridiculous.
>
> I forgot to mention that he took me off of the coumadin, and put
> me on Warfarin. Maybe that will work.
>

Warfarin is coumadin it is the same thing......speak to your pharmacist you
don't seem to understand what you are taking.
" Overdoses of drugs or chemicals can be either accidental or intentional.
Drug overdoses occur when a person takes more than the medically recommended
dose. However, some people may be more sensitive to certain medications so
that the high end of the therapeutic range of a drug may be toxic for them.
"

I would find another doctor to who is more sensitive to your needs.

PS....If I took meds I would know what they were and have a doctor who would
take the time to explain them to me.

I will be entering hospital at 6:30AM tomorrow morning. The major part
of the operation will be the bowel polyp removal. They will also
remove any tumours on the liver (apparently 50% of the liver) if there
are no secondary tumours on the stomach.

The major risk is bleeding from the liver which will require blood
transfusion. Apparently I will be on a bag for about 3 months minimum
and possibly the rest of my life depending on how the bowel polyp
removal goes.

If all goes well I will send you a follow-up letting you all know how it
went. If you don't hear from me then I fell into the 6% who don't
survive this operation.
--

Cheers . . . JC

JC wrote:

> I will be entering hospital at 6:30AM tomorrow morning. The major part
> of the operation will be the bowel polyp removal. They will also
> remove any tumours on the liver (apparently 50% of the liver) if there
> are no secondary tumours on the stomach.
>
> The major risk is bleeding from the liver which will require blood
> transfusion. Apparently I will be on a bag for about 3 months minimum
> and possibly the rest of my life depending on how the bowel polyp
> removal goes.
>
> If all goes well I will send you a follow-up letting you all know how it
> went. If you don't hear from me then I fell into the 6% who don't
> survive this operation.

Thanks for the warning, JC.
I'm stubborn, so I won't give up, until 3 months have passed.
Pop us a message, when you can.
I will be thinking of you.
J

On Apr 8, 1:22 am, JC <j...@invalid.net> wrote:
> I will be entering hospital at 6:30AM tomorrow morning. The major part
> of the operation will be the bowel polyp removal. They will also
> remove any tumours on the liver (apparently 50% of the liver) if there
> are no secondary tumours on the stomach.
>
> The major risk is bleeding from the liver which will require blood
> transfusion. Apparently I will be on a bag for about 3 months minimum
> and possibly the rest of my life depending on how the bowel polyp
> removal goes.
>
> If all goes well I will send you a follow-up letting you all know how it
> went. If you don't hear from me then I fell into the 6% who don't
> survive this operation.
> --
>
> Cheers . . . JC

Good luck on the op. Don't sweat the follow-up too much---it may take
a few days before you feel up to posting. We'll all hope for (and
maybe assume) the best, and look forward to confirmation. Don't be
shy about pressing that button, either; it can do wonders for your
comfort.

---
CSM

On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:22:34 +1000, JC <jc@invalid.net> wrote:

>I will be entering hospital at 6:30AM tomorrow morning. The major part
>of the operation will be the bowel polyp removal. They will also
>remove any tumours on the liver (apparently 50% of the liver) if there
>are no secondary tumours on the stomach.
>
>The major risk is bleeding from the liver which will require blood
>transfusion. Apparently I will be on a bag for about 3 months minimum
>and possibly the rest of my life depending on how the bowel polyp
>removal goes.
>
>If all goes well I will send you a follow-up letting you all know how it
>went. If you don't hear from me then I fell into the 6% who don't
>survive this operation.


Hi everyone,

I'm back home so I guess I am one of the 94% who survive this operation.
<Grin>

The operation went well – the docs took out a chunk of the colon and 60%
of the liver leaving a scar from below the navel to mid chest. The
recovery is going well which the docs and nurses all put down to the
fitness level attained by going to the gym 3 days per week.

To give the colon time to recover the docs diverted the small intestine
to the surface where the matter is collected in a colostomy bag which I
have to empty approximately hourly. I will have to wear these bags for
the next 6 - 12 weeks which should be fun.

The liver apparently re-grows within 6 weeks so that doesn't seem to be
much of a problem.

Anyway, enough of the gory bits. I'm back and moving about albeit
slowly but that should improve.

Thanks to all, especially J and CSM, for their help and support in this
trying time.
--

Cheers . . . JC

JC wrote:

> On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:22:34 +1000, JC <jc@invalid.net> wrote:
>
> >I will be entering hospital at 6:30AM tomorrow morning. The major part
> >of the operation will be the bowel polyp removal. They will also
> >remove any tumours on the liver (apparently 50% of the liver) if there
> >are no secondary tumours on the stomach.
> >
> >The major risk is bleeding from the liver which will require blood
> >transfusion. Apparently I will be on a bag for about 3 months minimum
> >and possibly the rest of my life depending on how the bowel polyp
> >removal goes.
> >
> >If all goes well I will send you a follow-up letting you all know how it
> >went. If you don't hear from me then I fell into the 6% who don't
> >survive this operation.
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm back home so I guess I am one of the 94% who survive this operation.
> <Grin>
>
> The operation went well – the docs took out a chunk of the colon and 60%
> of the liver leaving a scar from below the navel to mid chest. The
> recovery is going well which the docs and nurses all put down to the
> fitness level attained by going to the gym 3 days per week.
>
> To give the colon time to recover the docs diverted the small intestine
> to the surface where the matter is collected in a colostomy bag which I
> have to empty approximately hourly. I will have to wear these bags for
> the next 6 - 12 weeks which should be fun.
>
> The liver apparently re-grows within 6 weeks so that doesn't seem to be
> much of a problem.
>
> Anyway, enough of the gory bits. I'm back and moving about albeit
> slowly but that should improve.
>
> Thanks to all, especially J and CSM, for their help and support in this
> trying time.

I'm so happy to hear from you, JC. Big sigh of relief.
I was counting the days.
Yes, the liver does regenerate faiirly quickly.
Wishing you a speedy recovery.
You've made my day !
I hope to hear from you often - keep us updated, please.
J

On Apr 19, 8:12*pm, JC <j...@invalid.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:22:34 +1000, JC <j...@invalid.net> wrote:
> >I will be entering hospital at 6:30AM tomorrow morning. * The major part
> >of the operation will be the bowel polyp removal. * They will also
> >remove any tumours on the liver (apparently 50% of the liver) if there
> >are no secondary tumours on the stomach.
>
> >The major risk is bleeding from the liver which will require blood
> >transfusion. * Apparently I will be on a bag for about 3 months minimum
> >and possibly the rest of my life depending on how the bowel polyp
> >removal goes.
>
> >If all goes well I will send you a follow-up letting you all know how it
> >went. * If you don't hear from me then I fell into the 6% who don't
> >survive this operation.
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm back home so I guess I am one of the 94% who survive this operation.
> <Grin>
>
> The operation went well – the docs took out a chunk of the colon and 60%
> of the liver leaving a scar from below the navel to mid chest. * *The
> recovery is going well which the docs and nurses all put down to the
> fitness level attained by going to the gym 3 days per week.
>
> To give the colon time to recover the docs diverted the small intestine
> to the surface where the matter is collected in a colostomy bag which I
> have to empty approximately hourly. *I will have to wear these bags for
> the next 6 - 12 weeks which should be fun.
>
> The liver apparently re-grows within 6 weeks so that doesn't seem to be
> much of a problem.
>
> Anyway, enough of the gory bits. * *I'm back and moving about albeit
> slowly but that should improve.
>
> Thanks to all, especially J and CSM, for their help and support in this
> trying time.
> --
>
> Cheers . . . JC

Sounds like you are doing great, Glad to see you back. There is a
person who often posts about a ostomy chat. Glad all is well.

Alex

On Apr 19, 6:12 pm, JC <j...@invalid.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:22:34 +1000, JC <j...@invalid.net> wrote:
> >I will be entering hospital at 6:30AM tomorrow morning. The major part
> >of the operation will be the bowel polyp removal. They will also
> >remove any tumours on the liver (apparently 50% of the liver) if there
> >are no secondary tumours on the stomach.
>
> >The major risk is bleeding from the liver which will require blood
> >transfusion. Apparently I will be on a bag for about 3 months minimum
> >and possibly the rest of my life depending on how the bowel polyp
> >removal goes.
>
> >If all goes well I will send you a follow-up letting you all know how it
> >went. If you don't hear from me then I fell into the 6% who don't
> >survive this operation.
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm back home so I guess I am one of the 94% who survive this operation.
> <Grin>
>
> The operation went well – the docs took out a chunk of the colon and 60%
> of the liver leaving a scar from below the navel to mid chest. The
> recovery is going well which the docs and nurses all put down to the
> fitness level attained by going to the gym 3 days per week.
>
> To give the colon time to recover the docs diverted the small intestine
> to the surface where the matter is collected in a colostomy bag which I
> have to empty approximately hourly. I will have to wear these bags for
> the next 6 - 12 weeks which should be fun.
>
> The liver apparently re-grows within 6 weeks so that doesn't seem to be
> much of a problem.
>
> Anyway, enough of the gory bits. I'm back and moving about albeit
> slowly but that should improve.
>
> Thanks to all, especially J and CSM, for their help and support in this
> trying time.
> --
>
> Cheers . . . JC

You're welcome, and thanks for giving us the update. Too bad about
the bag, but that's short term. I imagine the recovery must be tough
with a scar that big. I was lucky, and got laproscopic, with a
smallish incision and three even smaller ones, but they didn't need to
do so much. Keep up the good work, and please keep in touch when
you're up to it.

---
CSM