Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?

http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html

Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>
> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?

No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been... Please
inform yourself about this matter.

Yuri.

Yuri Kuchinsky -- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku

"Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of what
happens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished human
bodies." -- A. Saul, Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular
Medicine -- http://www.orthomed.org

Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy.n et...
>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>
>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>
> No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been... Please
> inform yourself about this matter.
>
> Yuri.

Please explain why about 3/4 of kids with cancer and more than 1/2 of
adults with cancer are cured.

Compared with about 0% without modern treatment.

Get your facts strait before you open your laptop.

Jeff

>
> Yuri Kuchinsky -- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>
> "Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of what
> happens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished human
> bodies." -- A. Saul, Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular
> Medicine -- http://www.orthomed.org
>
>

Jeff wrote:
>
> Please explain why about 3/4 of kids with cancer and more than 1/2 of
> adults with cancer are cured.
>
> Compared with about 0% without modern treatment.
>
> Get your facts strait before you open your laptop.
>
> Jeff

It wouldn't be usenet. The force of Futility is strong...


Steve
>
>>
>> Yuri Kuchinsky -- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>>
>> "Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of
>> what happens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished
>> human bodies." -- A. Saul, Contributing Editor, Journal of
>> Orthomolecular Medicine -- http://www.orthomed.org
>>
>>

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:j510j.15756$V74.7643@trnddc02...
> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy.n et...
>>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>>
>>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>>
>> No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been... Please
>> inform yourself about this matter.
>>
>> Yuri.
>
> Please explain why about 3/4 of kids with cancer and more than 1/2 of
> adults with cancer are cured.

Why do you think this is because of chemotherapy?

> Compared with about 0% without modern treatment.

This is not true.

> Get your facts strait before you open your laptop.
>
> Jeff

Please provide a peer-reviewed published study that has proven the
effectiveness of chemotherapy using standard scientific protocols.

There's no such study.

Yuri.

Yuri Kuchinsky -- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku

"The great tragedy of science -- a beautiful hypothesis slain
by an ugly fact." -- Thomas Huxley

Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:j510j.15756$V74.7643@trnddc02...
>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy.n et...
>>>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>>>
>>>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>>> No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been... Please
>>> inform yourself about this matter.
>>>
>>> Yuri.
>> Please explain why about 3/4 of kids with cancer and more than 1/2 of
>> adults with cancer are cured.
>
> Why do you think this is because of chemotherapy?

Chemotherapy, radiotherapy, and surgery have all helped increase the
cure rate of various cancers.

>> Compared with about 0% without modern treatment.
>
> This is not true.

Back your claim please. In other words, show us that there is a
significant cure rate without modern treatment. Real evidence, please.

Jeff

>> Get your facts strait before you open your laptop.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> Please provide a peer-reviewed published study that has proven the
> effectiveness of chemotherapy using standard scientific protocols.
>
> There's no such study.
>
> Yuri.
>
> Yuri Kuchinsky -- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>
> "The great tragedy of science -- a beautiful hypothesis slain
> by an ugly fact." -- Thomas Huxley
>
>

In article <35a4b$47409d08$d8fea56f$11726@PRIMUS.CA>,
Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku@trends.ca> wrote:
>
>"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy. net...
>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>
>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>
>No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been... Please
>inform yourself about this matter.

A little quotation from

Childhood acute lymphocytic leukemia: progress and problems in treatment.
W P Bowman

(A paper from 1981, Canadian Medical Association Journal)

Acute lymphocytic leukemia is the most common cancer of childhood. A
series of total therapy studies begun in 1962 at St. Jude Children's
Research Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee has had a dramatic impact on
the survival of children with this disease. These studies have
systematically examined various drug combinations and radiation
therapy in an effort to cure acute lymphocytic leukemia. As a
result, a once uniformly fatal condition is now curable in nearly
one half of cases.

See that, Yuri? I'm hopeful that not even someone as deep in denial
as yourself will be able to overlook "a once uniformly fatal
condition." Also, the "nearly one half of cases."

Still, I'm not holding my breath.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Saddam Hussein was a bad man, connected with some incredibly dangerous
people: Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Galloway." -- Marcus Brigstocke

In article <ba9af$4740a3d8$d8fea56f$21512@PRIMUS.CA>,
Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku@trends.ca> wrote:
>
>"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:j510j.15756$V74.7643@trnddc02...
>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy.n et...
>>>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>>>
>>>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>>>
>>> No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been... Please
>>> inform yourself about this matter.
>>>
>>> Yuri.
>>
>> Please explain why about 3/4 of kids with cancer and more than 1/2 of
>> adults with cancer are cured.
>
>Why do you think this is because of chemotherapy?

It isn't, in all cases. But some diseases, like leukemia, surgery is
not an option.

>Please provide a peer-reviewed published study that has proven the
>effectiveness of chemotherapy using standard scientific protocols.
>
>There's no such study.

Of course there is. Some diseases, like ALL, are always fatal without
treatment. Now, with treatment, over half the patients survive.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Saddam Hussein was a bad man, connected with some incredibly dangerous
people: Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Galloway." -- Marcus Brigstocke

David Wright wrote:
> In article <ba9af$4740a3d8$d8fea56f$21512@PRIMUS.CA>,
> Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku@trends.ca> wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:j510j.15756$V74.7643@trnddc02...
>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy.n et...
>>>>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>>>> No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been... Please
>>>> inform yourself about this matter.
>>>>
>>>> Yuri.
>>> Please explain why about 3/4 of kids with cancer and more than 1/2 of
>>> adults with cancer are cured.
>> Why do you think this is because of chemotherapy?
>
> It isn't, in all cases. But some diseases, like leukemia, surgery is
> not an option.
>
>> Please provide a peer-reviewed published study that has proven the
>> effectiveness of chemotherapy using standard scientific protocols.
>>
>> There's no such study.
>
> Of course there is. Some diseases, like ALL, are always fatal without
> treatment. Now, with treatment, over half the patients survive.

With high-risk childhood leukemia, the cure rates are at least 60%. For
low-risk, the survival rates are around 90%.

Gee, not bad for a disease that was usually fatal when I was a kid, and
almost always fatal when my dad was a kid.

<http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_2_4X_How_Is_Childhood_Leukemia_Treated_24.as p?sitearea=>

Jeff

> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
> These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
> "Saddam Hussein was a bad man, connected with some incredibly dangerous
> people: Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Galloway." -- Marcus Brigstocke

"Yuri Kuchinsky" <yuku@trends.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy.n et...
>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>
>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>
> No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been... Please
> inform yourself about this matter.
>
> Yuri.

Did you read the entire article and the links?

Newstarget is well informed and tells it like it is.

Thank God for Mike Adams!
>
> Yuri Kuchinsky -- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>
> "Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of what
> happens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished human
> bodies." -- A. Saul, Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular
> Medicine -- http://www.orthomed.org
>
>

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5f20j.8248$xt5.2545@trnddc07...
> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:j510j.15756$V74.7643@trnddc02...
>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy.n et...
>>>>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>>>> No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been...
>>>> Please inform yourself about this matter.
>>>>
>>>> Yuri.
>>> Please explain why about 3/4 of kids with cancer and more than 1/2 of
>>> adults with cancer are cured.
>>
>> Why do you think this is because of chemotherapy?
>
> Chemotherapy, radiotherapy, and surgery have all helped increase the cure
> rate of various cancers.
>
>>> Compared with about 0% without modern treatment.
>>
>> This is not true.
>
> Back your claim please. In other words, show us that there is a
> significant cure rate without modern treatment. Real evidence, please.
>
> Jeff
>
>>> Get your facts strait before you open your laptop.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>> Please provide a peer-reviewed published study that has proven the
>> effectiveness of chemotherapy using standard scientific protocols.
>>
>> There's no such study.
>>
>> Yuri.
>>
>> Yuri Kuchinsky -- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>>
>> "The great tragedy of science -- a beautiful hypothesis slain
>> by an ugly fact." -- Thomas Huxley
>>
Well...now, it is Jeff who harps about peer-reviewed.
Now when the table is turned he cannot provide. Thus making him a
hypocrite, plus a liar about his fake names.

"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:R340j.46025$eY.4682@newssvr13.news.prodigy.ne t...
> In article <ba9af$4740a3d8$d8fea56f$21512@PRIMUS.CA>,
> Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku@trends.ca> wrote:
>>
>>"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:j510j.15756$V74.7643@trnddc02...
>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy.n et...
>>>>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>>>>
>>>> No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been...
>>>> Please
>>>> inform yourself about this matter.
>>>>
>>>> Yuri.
>>>
>>> Please explain why about 3/4 of kids with cancer and more than 1/2 of
>>> adults with cancer are cured.
>>
>>Why do you think this is because of chemotherapy?
>
> It isn't, in all cases. But some diseases, like leukemia, surgery is
> not an option.
>
>>Please provide a peer-reviewed published study that has proven the
>>effectiveness of chemotherapy using standard scientific protocols.
>>
>>There's no such study.
>
> Of course there is.

So where is it?

Yuri.

Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku

"As a chemist trained to interpret data, it is incromprehensible to me that
physicians can ignore the clear evidence that chemotherapy does much, much
more harm than good." -- Alan Nixon, Ph.D., Past President, American
Chemical Society.

"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:nW30j.46022$eY.26701@newssvr13.news.prodigy.n et...
> In article <35a4b$47409d08$d8fea56f$11726@PRIMUS.CA>,
> Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku@trends.ca> wrote:
>>
>>"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy .net...
>>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>>
>>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>>
>>No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been... Please
>>inform yourself about this matter.
>
> A little quotation from
>
> Childhood acute lymphocytic leukemia: progress and problems in treatment.
> W P Bowman
>
> (A paper from 1981, Canadian Medical Association Journal)
>
> Acute lymphocytic leukemia is the most common cancer of childhood. A
> series of total therapy studies begun in 1962 at St. Jude Children's
> Research Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee has had a dramatic impact on
> the survival of children with this disease. These studies have
> systematically examined various drug combinations and radiation
> therapy in an effort to cure acute lymphocytic leukemia. As a
> result, a once uniformly fatal condition is now curable in nearly
> one half of cases.
>
> See that, Yuri? I'm hopeful that not even someone as deep in denial
> as yourself will be able to overlook "a once uniformly fatal
> condition." Also, the "nearly one half of cases."
>
> Still, I'm not holding my breath.

Even if these claims are true (and that's a big 'if'), this cannot be seen
as a proof that chemotherapy is effective, because this type of cancer is
only ca 2% of all cancers.

Yuri.

Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku

"As a chemist trained to interpret data, it is incromprehensible to me that
physicians can ignore the clear evidence that chemotherapy does much, much
more harm than good." -- Alan Nixon, Ph.D., Past President, American
Chemical Society.

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:knb0j.11368$yV6.7244@newssvr25.news.prodigy.n et...
>
> "Yuri Kuchinsky" <yuku@trends.ca> wrote in message
> news:35a4b$47409d08$d8fea56f$11726@PRIMUS.CA...
>>
>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy.n et...
>>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>>
>>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>>
>> No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been... Please
>> inform yourself about this matter.
>>
>> Yuri.
>
> Did you read the entire article and the links?

Yes, I did.

> Newstarget is well informed and tells it like it is.
>
> Thank God for Mike Adams!

Jan, Mike Adams seems like a good guy, but this doesn't mean that he's
always right about everything...

I'm not questioning most of what he says in his article, just his basic
premise that chemo is effective.

Best,

Yuri.

Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku

"...chemotherapy's success record is dismal. It can achieve remissions in
about 7% of all human cancers; for an additional 15% of cases, survival can
be "prolonged" beyond the point at which death would be expected without
treatment. This type of survival is not the same as a cure or even restored
quality of life." -- John Diamond, M.D.

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5f20j.8248$xt5.2545@trnddc07...
>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:j510j.15756$V74.7643@trnddc02...
>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy.n et...
>>>>>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>>>>> No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been...
>>>>> Please inform yourself about this matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yuri.
>>>> Please explain why about 3/4 of kids with cancer and more than 1/2 of
>>>> adults with cancer are cured.
>>>
>>> Why do you think this is because of chemotherapy?
>>
>> Chemotherapy, radiotherapy, and surgery have all helped increase the cure
>> rate of various cancers.
>>
>>>> Compared with about 0% without modern treatment.
>>>
>>> This is not true.
>>
>> Back your claim please. In other words, show us that there is a
>> significant cure rate without modern treatment. Real evidence, please.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>>> Get your facts strait before you open your laptop.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> Please provide a peer-reviewed published study that has proven the
>>> effectiveness of chemotherapy using standard scientific protocols.
>>>
>>> There's no such study.
>>>
>>> Yuri.
>>>
>>> Yuri Kuchinsky -- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>>>
>>> "The great tragedy of science -- a beautiful hypothesis slain
>>> by an ugly fact." -- Thomas Huxley

> Well...now, it is Jeff who harps about peer-reviewed.
> Now when the table is turned he cannot provide. Thus making him a
> hypocrite, plus a liar about his fake names.

That's right, Jan. He cannot provide any scientific proof that chemotherapy
is effective because no such proof exists. Chemotherapy is a big hoax.

Yuri.

Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku

"As a chemist trained to interpret data, it is incromprehensible to me that
physicians can ignore the clear evidence that chemotherapy does much, much
more harm than good." -- Alan Nixon, Ph.D., Past President, American
Chemical Society.

Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:xIb0j.11370$yV6.7621@newssvr25.news.prodigy.n et...
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5f20j.8248$xt5.2545@trnddc07...
>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:j510j.15756$V74.7643@trnddc02...
>>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy.n et...
>>>>>>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>>>>>> No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been...
>>>>>> Please inform yourself about this matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yuri.
>>>>> Please explain why about 3/4 of kids with cancer and more than 1/2 of
>>>>> adults with cancer are cured.
>>>> Why do you think this is because of chemotherapy?
>>> Chemotherapy, radiotherapy, and surgery have all helped increase the cure
>>> rate of various cancers.
>>>
>>>>> Compared with about 0% without modern treatment.
>>>> This is not true.
>>> Back your claim please. In other words, show us that there is a
>>> significant cure rate without modern treatment. Real evidence, please.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>>> Get your facts strait before you open your laptop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>> Please provide a peer-reviewed published study that has proven the
>>>> effectiveness of chemotherapy using standard scientific protocols.
>>>>
>>>> There's no such study.
>>>>
>>>> Yuri.
>>>>
>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky -- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>>>>
>>>> "The great tragedy of science -- a beautiful hypothesis slain
>>>> by an ugly fact." -- Thomas Huxley
>
>> Well...now, it is Jeff who harps about peer-reviewed.
>> Now when the table is turned he cannot provide. Thus making him a
>> hypocrite, plus a liar about his fake names.
>
> That's right, Jan. He cannot provide any scientific proof that chemotherapy
> is effective because no such proof exists. Chemotherapy is a big hoax.

He's one from Georgia. You can find others at www.pubmed.gov. You can
find cancer survival statistics for any type of cancer. Please note that
the 86% 5-year survival (essentially, a cure) for kids with ALL is from
chemotherapy and radiation only (except for surgery to implant an IV
catheter, so that patients don't have to be stuck as often).

Howell DL, Ward KC, Austin HD, Young JL, Woods WG.

Department of Pediatrics, Rollins School of Public Health, Emory
University, Atlanta, GA, USA. Della.Howell@lackland.af.mil

PURPOSE: There have been concerns among pediatric oncologists that
adolescent and minority patients are not getting adequate access to
care. This study examines access to cancer care and survival outcomes
based on age, race, and type of cancer in patients in Georgia. PATIENTS
AND METHODS: We performed a retrospective review of 1,751 cancer
patients aged 0 to 19 years, diagnosed between 1998 and 2002, in the
Georgia Comprehensive Cancer Registry, which identified patients who
were treated at one of five Georgia pediatric cancer centers (Children's
Oncology Group [COG] members) at any point in their treatment. Data were
further analyzed for age at diagnosis, race, county of residence, and
5-year survival. RESULTS: Eighty-seven percent of patients aged 0 to 14
years and 36% of those aged 15 to 19 years were treated at a COG
institution. Twenty-five percent of all patients were of African
descent, with 75.4% of black versus 70.3% of white patients (age 0 to 19
years) treated at a COG institution (P < .01); 97.1% of other minorities
were treated at a COG institution (P < .05). The 5-year actuarial
survival rates for more pediatric-specific cancers were significantly
lower in all leukemias (75.1% v 46.4%; P = .0015), and acute
lymphoblastic leukemia specifically (86.3% v 53.3%; P < .05) for
patients not treated at a COG institution. Actuarial survival rates were
much lower for blacks than whites in all cancers as a whole (70% v 82%;
P < .001) and for many specific subtypes. CONCLUSION: Adolescent-aged
patients are less likely to be referred to a COG institution,
potentially exposing them to worse outcomes in some cancer subtypes.
Reassuringly, minority populations are receiving adequate access to
pediatric cancer care; unfortunately their survival rates are lower.

PMID: 17925556 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> Yuri.
>
> Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>
> "As a chemist trained to interpret data, it is incromprehensible to me that
> physicians can ignore the clear evidence that chemotherapy does much, much
> more harm than good." -- Alan Nixon, Ph.D., Past President, American
> Chemical Society.
>
>
>

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:xIb0j.11370$yV6.7621@newssvr25.news.prodigy.n et...
>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5f20j.8248$xt5.2545@trnddc07...
>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:j510j.15756$V74.7643@trnddc02...
>>>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy.n et...
>>>>>>>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>>>>>>> No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been...
>>>>>>> Please inform yourself about this matter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yuri.
>>>>>> Please explain why about 3/4 of kids with cancer and more than 1/2 of
>>>>>> adults with cancer are cured.
>>>>> Why do you think this is because of chemotherapy?
>>>> Chemotherapy, radiotherapy, and surgery have all helped increase the
>>>> cure rate of various cancers.
>>>>
>>>>>> Compared with about 0% without modern treatment.
>>>>> This is not true.
>>>> Back your claim please. In other words, show us that there is a
>>>> significant cure rate without modern treatment. Real evidence, please.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>>>> Get your facts strait before you open your laptop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> Please provide a peer-reviewed published study that has proven the
>>>>> effectiveness of chemotherapy using standard scientific protocols.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no such study.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yuri.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky -- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>>>>>
>>>>> "The great tragedy of science -- a beautiful hypothesis slain
>>>>> by an ugly fact." -- Thomas Huxley
>>
>>> Well...now, it is Jeff who harps about peer-reviewed.
>>> Now when the table is turned he cannot provide. Thus making him a
>>> hypocrite, plus a liar about his fake names.
>>
>> That's right, Jan. He cannot provide any scientific proof that
>> chemotherapy is effective because no such proof exists. Chemotherapy is a
>> big hoax.
>
> He's one from Georgia. You can find others at www.pubmed.gov. You can find
> cancer survival statistics for any type of cancer. Please note that the
> 86% 5-year survival (essentially, a cure) for kids with ALL is from
> chemotherapy and radiation only (except for surgery to implant an IV
> catheter, so that patients don't have to be stuck as often).
>
> Howell DL, Ward KC, Austin HD, Young JL, Woods WG.
>
> Department of Pediatrics, Rollins School of Public Health, Emory
> University, Atlanta, GA, USA. Della.Howell@lackland.af.mil
>
> PURPOSE: There have been concerns among pediatric oncologists that
> adolescent and minority patients are not getting adequate access to care.
> This study examines access to cancer care and survival outcomes based on
> age, race, and type of cancer in patients in Georgia. PATIENTS AND
> METHODS: We performed a retrospective review of 1,751 cancer patients aged
> 0 to 19 years, diagnosed between 1998 and 2002, in the Georgia
> Comprehensive Cancer Registry, which identified patients who were treated
> at one of five Georgia pediatric cancer centers (Children's Oncology Group
> [COG] members) at any point in their treatment. Data were further analyzed
> for age at diagnosis, race, county of residence, and 5-year survival.
> RESULTS: Eighty-seven percent of patients aged 0 to 14 years and 36% of
> those aged 15 to 19 years were treated at a COG institution. Twenty-five
> percent of all patients were of African descent, with 75.4% of black
> versus 70.3% of white patients (age 0 to 19 years) treated at a COG
> institution (P < .01); 97.1% of other minorities were treated at a COG
> institution (P < .05). The 5-year actuarial survival rates for more
> pediatric-specific cancers were significantly lower in all leukemias
> (75.1% v 46.4%; P = .0015), and acute lymphoblastic leukemia specifically
> (86.3% v 53.3%; P < .05) for patients not treated at a COG institution.
> Actuarial survival rates were much lower for blacks than whites in all
> cancers as a whole (70% v 82%; P < .001) and for many specific subtypes.
> CONCLUSION: Adolescent-aged patients are less likely to be referred to a
> COG institution, potentially exposing them to worse outcomes in some
> cancer subtypes. Reassuringly, minority populations are receiving adequate
> access to pediatric cancer care; unfortunately their survival rates are
> lower.
>
> PMID: 17925556 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

How come you forgot to give us the title of this article, Jeff?

What a strange omission...

If this is really your best proof that chemo is effective, how come it's not
in the title? Instead, the title is,

"Access to Pediatric Cancer Care by Age, Race, and Diagnosis, and Outcomes
of Cancer Treatment in Pediatric and Adolescent Patients in the State of
Georgia"

With "proof" like this coming from you, now I KNOW that chemo is a hoax!


Duh!

Yuri.

Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku

"...chemotherapy's success record is dismal. It can achieve remissions in
about 7% of all human cancers; for an additional 15% of cases, survival can
be "prolonged" beyond the point at which death would be expected without
treatment. This type of survival is not the same as a cure or even restored
quality of life." -- John Diamond, M.D.

t wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:P4K0j.292$ch.23@trnddc03...
>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> news:xIb0j.11370$yV6.7621@newssvr25.news.prodigy.n et...
>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:5f20j.8248$xt5.2545@trnddc07...
>>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:j510j.15756$V74.7643@trnddc02...
>>>>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy.n et...
>>>>>>>>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>>>>>>>> No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been...
>>>>>>>> Please inform yourself about this matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yuri.
>>>>>>> Please explain why about 3/4 of kids with cancer and more than 1/2 of
>>>>>>> adults with cancer are cured.
>>>>>> Why do you think this is because of chemotherapy?
>>>>> Chemotherapy, radiotherapy, and surgery have all helped increase the
>>>>> cure rate of various cancers.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Compared with about 0% without modern treatment.
>>>>>> This is not true.
>>>>> Back your claim please. In other words, show us that there is a
>>>>> significant cure rate without modern treatment. Real evidence, please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Get your facts strait before you open your laptop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>> Please provide a peer-reviewed published study that has proven the
>>>>>> effectiveness of chemotherapy using standard scientific protocols.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's no such study.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yuri.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky -- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The great tragedy of science -- a beautiful hypothesis slain
>>>>>> by an ugly fact." -- Thomas Huxley
>>>> Well...now, it is Jeff who harps about peer-reviewed.
>>>> Now when the table is turned he cannot provide. Thus making him a
>>>> hypocrite, plus a liar about his fake names.
>>> That's right, Jan. He cannot provide any scientific proof that
>>> chemotherapy is effective because no such proof exists. Chemotherapy is a
>>> big hoax.
>> He's one from Georgia. You can find others at www.pubmed.gov. You can find
>> cancer survival statistics for any type of cancer. Please note that the
>> 86% 5-year survival (essentially, a cure) for kids with ALL is from
>> chemotherapy and radiation only (except for surgery to implant an IV
>> catheter, so that patients don't have to be stuck as often).
>>
>> Howell DL, Ward KC, Austin HD, Young JL, Woods WG.
>>
>> Department of Pediatrics, Rollins School of Public Health, Emory
>> University, Atlanta, GA, USA. Della.Howell@lackland.af.mil
>>
>> PURPOSE: There have been concerns among pediatric oncologists that
>> adolescent and minority patients are not getting adequate access to care.
>> This study examines access to cancer care and survival outcomes based on
>> age, race, and type of cancer in patients in Georgia. PATIENTS AND
>> METHODS: We performed a retrospective review of 1,751 cancer patients aged
>> 0 to 19 years, diagnosed between 1998 and 2002, in the Georgia
>> Comprehensive Cancer Registry, which identified patients who were treated
>> at one of five Georgia pediatric cancer centers (Children's Oncology Group
>> [COG] members) at any point in their treatment. Data were further analyzed
>> for age at diagnosis, race, county of residence, and 5-year survival.
>> RESULTS: Eighty-seven percent of patients aged 0 to 14 years and 36% of
>> those aged 15 to 19 years were treated at a COG institution. Twenty-five
>> percent of all patients were of African descent, with 75.4% of black
>> versus 70.3% of white patients (age 0 to 19 years) treated at a COG
>> institution (P < .01); 97.1% of other minorities were treated at a COG
>> institution (P < .05). The 5-year actuarial survival rates for more
>> pediatric-specific cancers were significantly lower in all leukemias
>> (75.1% v 46.4%; P = .0015), and acute lymphoblastic leukemia specifically
>> (86.3% v 53.3%; P < .05) for patients not treated at a COG institution.
>> Actuarial survival rates were much lower for blacks than whites in all
>> cancers as a whole (70% v 82%; P < .001) and for many specific subtypes.
>> CONCLUSION: Adolescent-aged patients are less likely to be referred to a
>> COG institution, potentially exposing them to worse outcomes in some
>> cancer subtypes. Reassuringly, minority populations are receiving adequate
>> access to pediatric cancer care; unfortunately their survival rates are
>> lower.
>>
>> PMID: 17925556 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>>
>>> Yuri.
>>>
>>> Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>>>
>>> "As a chemist trained to interpret data, it is incromprehensible to me
>>> that physicians can ignore the clear evidence that chemotherapy does
>>> much, much more harm than good." -- Alan Nixon, Ph.D., Past President,
>>> American Chemical Society.
>>>
>>>
> So Jeff, how many of those "cures" 5 year survivals have a "new" cancer ten
> or more / less years later?

Do your own research. you can start at scholar.google.com or
www.pubmed.gov, if you like.

Jeff

Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:P4K0j.292$ch.23@trnddc03...
>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> news:xIb0j.11370$yV6.7621@newssvr25.news.prodigy.n et...
>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:5f20j.8248$xt5.2545@trnddc07...
>>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:j510j.15756$V74.7643@trnddc02...
>>>>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy.n et...
>>>>>>>>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>>>>>>>> No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been...
>>>>>>>> Please inform yourself about this matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yuri.
>>>>>>> Please explain why about 3/4 of kids with cancer and more than 1/2 of
>>>>>>> adults with cancer are cured.
>>>>>> Why do you think this is because of chemotherapy?
>>>>> Chemotherapy, radiotherapy, and surgery have all helped increase the
>>>>> cure rate of various cancers.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Compared with about 0% without modern treatment.
>>>>>> This is not true.
>>>>> Back your claim please. In other words, show us that there is a
>>>>> significant cure rate without modern treatment. Real evidence, please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Get your facts strait before you open your laptop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>> Please provide a peer-reviewed published study that has proven the
>>>>>> effectiveness of chemotherapy using standard scientific protocols.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's no such study.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yuri.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky -- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The great tragedy of science -- a beautiful hypothesis slain
>>>>>> by an ugly fact." -- Thomas Huxley
>>>> Well...now, it is Jeff who harps about peer-reviewed.
>>>> Now when the table is turned he cannot provide. Thus making him a
>>>> hypocrite, plus a liar about his fake names.
>>> That's right, Jan. He cannot provide any scientific proof that
>>> chemotherapy is effective because no such proof exists. Chemotherapy is a
>>> big hoax.
>> He's one from Georgia. You can find others at www.pubmed.gov. You can find
>> cancer survival statistics for any type of cancer. Please note that the
>> 86% 5-year survival (essentially, a cure) for kids with ALL is from
>> chemotherapy and radiation only (except for surgery to implant an IV
>> catheter, so that patients don't have to be stuck as often).
>>
>> Howell DL, Ward KC, Austin HD, Young JL, Woods WG.
>>
>> Department of Pediatrics, Rollins School of Public Health, Emory
>> University, Atlanta, GA, USA. Della.Howell@lackland.af.mil
>>
>> PURPOSE: There have been concerns among pediatric oncologists that
>> adolescent and minority patients are not getting adequate access to care.
>> This study examines access to cancer care and survival outcomes based on
>> age, race, and type of cancer in patients in Georgia. PATIENTS AND
>> METHODS: We performed a retrospective review of 1,751 cancer patients aged
>> 0 to 19 years, diagnosed between 1998 and 2002, in the Georgia
>> Comprehensive Cancer Registry, which identified patients who were treated
>> at one of five Georgia pediatric cancer centers (Children's Oncology Group
>> [COG] members) at any point in their treatment. Data were further analyzed
>> for age at diagnosis, race, county of residence, and 5-year survival.
>> RESULTS: Eighty-seven percent of patients aged 0 to 14 years and 36% of
>> those aged 15 to 19 years were treated at a COG institution. Twenty-five
>> percent of all patients were of African descent, with 75.4% of black
>> versus 70.3% of white patients (age 0 to 19 years) treated at a COG
>> institution (P < .01); 97.1% of other minorities were treated at a COG
>> institution (P < .05). The 5-year actuarial survival rates for more
>> pediatric-specific cancers were significantly lower in all leukemias
>> (75.1% v 46.4%; P = .0015), and acute lymphoblastic leukemia specifically
>> (86.3% v 53.3%; P < .05) for patients not treated at a COG institution.
>> Actuarial survival rates were much lower for blacks than whites in all
>> cancers as a whole (70% v 82%; P < .001) and for many specific subtypes.
>> CONCLUSION: Adolescent-aged patients are less likely to be referred to a
>> COG institution, potentially exposing them to worse outcomes in some
>> cancer subtypes. Reassuringly, minority populations are receiving adequate
>> access to pediatric cancer care; unfortunately their survival rates are
>> lower.
>>
>> PMID: 17925556 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
> How come you forgot to give us the title of this article, Jeff?
>
> What a strange omission...

I made a mistake during my cutting and pasting. Forgive me, please.

the title is: Access to pediatric cancer care by age, race, and
diagnosis, and outcomes of cancer treatment in pediatric and adolescent
patients in the state of Georgia.

<crap deleted>

Jeff

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:P4K0j.292$ch.23@trnddc03...
> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:xIb0j.11370$yV6.7621@newssvr25.news.prodigy.n et...
>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5f20j.8248$xt5.2545@trnddc07...
>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:j510j.15756$V74.7643@trnddc02...
>>>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy.n et...
>>>>>>>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>>>>>>> No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been...
>>>>>>> Please inform yourself about this matter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yuri.
>>>>>> Please explain why about 3/4 of kids with cancer and more than 1/2 of
>>>>>> adults with cancer are cured.
>>>>> Why do you think this is because of chemotherapy?
>>>> Chemotherapy, radiotherapy, and surgery have all helped increase the
>>>> cure rate of various cancers.
>>>>
>>>>>> Compared with about 0% without modern treatment.
>>>>> This is not true.
>>>> Back your claim please. In other words, show us that there is a
>>>> significant cure rate without modern treatment. Real evidence, please.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>>>> Get your facts strait before you open your laptop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>> Please provide a peer-reviewed published study that has proven the
>>>>> effectiveness of chemotherapy using standard scientific protocols.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no such study.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yuri.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky -- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>>>>>
>>>>> "The great tragedy of science -- a beautiful hypothesis slain
>>>>> by an ugly fact." -- Thomas Huxley
>>
>>> Well...now, it is Jeff who harps about peer-reviewed.
>>> Now when the table is turned he cannot provide. Thus making him a
>>> hypocrite, plus a liar about his fake names.
>>
>> That's right, Jan. He cannot provide any scientific proof that
>> chemotherapy is effective because no such proof exists. Chemotherapy is a
>> big hoax.
>
> He's one from Georgia. You can find others at www.pubmed.gov. You can find
> cancer survival statistics for any type of cancer. Please note that the
> 86% 5-year survival (essentially, a cure) for kids with ALL is from
> chemotherapy and radiation only (except for surgery to implant an IV
> catheter, so that patients don't have to be stuck as often).
>
> Howell DL, Ward KC, Austin HD, Young JL, Woods WG.
>
> Department of Pediatrics, Rollins School of Public Health, Emory
> University, Atlanta, GA, USA. Della.Howell@lackland.af.mil
>
> PURPOSE: There have been concerns among pediatric oncologists that
> adolescent and minority patients are not getting adequate access to care.
> This study examines access to cancer care and survival outcomes based on
> age, race, and type of cancer in patients in Georgia. PATIENTS AND
> METHODS: We performed a retrospective review of 1,751 cancer patients aged
> 0 to 19 years, diagnosed between 1998 and 2002, in the Georgia
> Comprehensive Cancer Registry, which identified patients who were treated
> at one of five Georgia pediatric cancer centers (Children's Oncology Group
> [COG] members) at any point in their treatment. Data were further analyzed
> for age at diagnosis, race, county of residence, and 5-year survival.
> RESULTS: Eighty-seven percent of patients aged 0 to 14 years and 36% of
> those aged 15 to 19 years were treated at a COG institution. Twenty-five
> percent of all patients were of African descent, with 75.4% of black
> versus 70.3% of white patients (age 0 to 19 years) treated at a COG
> institution (P < .01); 97.1% of other minorities were treated at a COG
> institution (P < .05). The 5-year actuarial survival rates for more
> pediatric-specific cancers were significantly lower in all leukemias
> (75.1% v 46.4%; P = .0015), and acute lymphoblastic leukemia specifically
> (86.3% v 53.3%; P < .05) for patients not treated at a COG institution.
> Actuarial survival rates were much lower for blacks than whites in all
> cancers as a whole (70% v 82%; P < .001) and for many specific subtypes.
> CONCLUSION: Adolescent-aged patients are less likely to be referred to a
> COG institution, potentially exposing them to worse outcomes in some
> cancer subtypes. Reassuringly, minority populations are receiving adequate
> access to pediatric cancer care; unfortunately their survival rates are
> lower.
>
> PMID: 17925556 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
>> Yuri.
>>
>> Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>>
>> "As a chemist trained to interpret data, it is incromprehensible to me
>> that physicians can ignore the clear evidence that chemotherapy does
>> much, much more harm than good." -- Alan Nixon, Ph.D., Past President,
>> American Chemical Society.
>>
>>
So Jeff, how many of those "cures" 5 year survivals have a "new" cancer ten
or more / less years later?

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UwK0j.297$ch.135@trnddc03...
>t wrote:
>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:P4K0j.292$ch.23@trnddc03...
>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:xIb0j.11370$yV6.7621@newssvr25.news.prodigy.n et...
>>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:5f20j.8248$xt5.2545@trnddc07...
>>>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>>>>> "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:j510j.15756$V74.7643@trnddc02...
>>>>>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:20x%i.21135$Pv2.1785@newssvr23.news.prodigy.n et...
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.newstarget.com/z022247.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chemotherapy Effective Against Cancer, But At What Cost?
>>>>>>>>> No, Jan, it is NOT effective against cancer, and never has been...
>>>>>>>>> Please inform yourself about this matter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yuri.
>>>>>>>> Please explain why about 3/4 of kids with cancer and more than 1/2
>>>>>>>> of adults with cancer are cured.
>>>>>>> Why do you think this is because of chemotherapy?
>>>>>> Chemotherapy, radiotherapy, and surgery have all helped increase the
>>>>>> cure rate of various cancers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Compared with about 0% without modern treatment.
>>>>>>> This is not true.
>>>>>> Back your claim please. In other words, show us that there is a
>>>>>> significant cure rate without modern treatment. Real evidence,
>>>>>> please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Get your facts strait before you open your laptop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>> Please provide a peer-reviewed published study that has proven the
>>>>>>> effectiveness of chemotherapy using standard scientific protocols.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's no such study.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yuri.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky -- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The great tragedy of science -- a beautiful hypothesis slain
>>>>>>> by an ugly fact." -- Thomas Huxley
>>>>> Well...now, it is Jeff who harps about peer-reviewed.
>>>>> Now when the table is turned he cannot provide. Thus making him a
>>>>> hypocrite, plus a liar about his fake names.
>>>> That's right, Jan. He cannot provide any scientific proof that
>>>> chemotherapy is effective because no such proof exists. Chemotherapy is
>>>> a big hoax.
>>> He's one from Georgia. You can find others at www.pubmed.gov. You can
>>> find cancer survival statistics for any type of cancer. Please note that
>>> the 86% 5-year survival (essentially, a cure) for kids with ALL is from
>>> chemotherapy and radiation only (except for surgery to implant an IV
>>> catheter, so that patients don't have to be stuck as often).
>>>
>>> Howell DL, Ward KC, Austin HD, Young JL, Woods WG.
>>>
>>> Department of Pediatrics, Rollins School of Public Health, Emory
>>> University, Atlanta, GA, USA. Della.Howell@lackland.af.mil
>>>
>>> PURPOSE: There have been concerns among pediatric oncologists that
>>> adolescent and minority patients are not getting adequate access to
>>> care. This study examines access to cancer care and survival outcomes
>>> based on age, race, and type of cancer in patients in Georgia. PATIENTS
>>> AND METHODS: We performed a retrospective review of 1,751 cancer
>>> patients aged 0 to 19 years, diagnosed between 1998 and 2002, in the
>>> Georgia Comprehensive Cancer Registry, which identified patients who
>>> were treated at one of five Georgia pediatric cancer centers (Children's
>>> Oncology Group [COG] members) at any point in their treatment. Data were
>>> further analyzed for age at diagnosis, race, county of residence, and
>>> 5-year survival. RESULTS: Eighty-seven percent of patients aged 0 to 14
>>> years and 36% of those aged 15 to 19 years were treated at a COG
>>> institution. Twenty-five percent of all patients were of African
>>> descent, with 75.4% of black versus 70.3% of white patients (age 0 to 19
>>> years) treated at a COG institution (P < .01); 97.1% of other minorities
>>> were treated at a COG institution (P < .05). The 5-year actuarial
>>> survival rates for more pediatric-specific cancers were significantly
>>> lower in all leukemias (75.1% v 46.4%; P = .0015), and acute
>>> lymphoblastic leukemia specifically (86.3% v 53.3%; P < .05) for
>>> patients not treated at a COG institution. Actuarial survival rates were
>>> much lower for blacks than whites in all cancers as a whole (70% v 82%;
>>> P < .001) and for many specific subtypes. CONCLUSION: Adolescent-aged
>>> patients are less likely to be referred to a COG institution,
>>> potentially exposing them to worse outcomes in some cancer subtypes.
>>> Reassuringly, minority populations are receiving adequate access to
>>> pediatric cancer care; unfortunately their survival rates are lower.
>>>
>>> PMID: 17925556 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>>>
>>>> Yuri.
>>>>
>>>> Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
>>>>
>>>> "As a chemist trained to interpret data, it is incromprehensible to me
>>>> that physicians can ignore the clear evidence that chemotherapy does
>>>> much, much more harm than good." -- Alan Nixon, Ph.D., Past President,
>>>> American Chemical Society.
>>>>
>>>>
>> So Jeff, how many of those "cures" 5 year survivals have a "new" cancer
>> ten or more / less years later?
>
> Do your own research. you can start at scholar.google.com or
> www.pubmed.gov, if you like.
>
Awwwww, I would much rather hear it from you.