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Old 03-02-2007, 07:42 AM
Sledgedog
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Default DCA what do people think

the University of Alberta Med Center has announced this

So much hype but it seems to have promise

Is there a support group forming how to get a prescription

Do a google search lots of new info...just announced a few days ago.

NOT sayin it works NOT sayin it doesn't NO False hope...but HOPE.

sledge...lost father 6 months ago.


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Old 03-02-2007, 03:56 PM
J
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Sledgedog wrote:

> the University of Alberta Med Center has announced this
>
> So much hype but it seems to have promise
>
> Is there a support group forming how to get a prescription
>
> Do a google search lots of new info...just announced a few days ago.
>
> NOT sayin it works NOT sayin it doesn't NO False hope...but HOPE.
>
> sledge...lost father 6 months ago.


Fact: they have to get permission from Health Canada (bureaucracy can take
time).
Fact: many new "agents" don't pan out, in clinical trials.
Fact: clinical trials take time.
Fact: Until clinical trial results are out, it's just an hypothesis (a
theory), one of many.
If you or the ACS (as one news item implies) wants updates, you/they can
add yourselves to their mailing list here
http://www.depmed.ualberta.ca/dca/
J

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Old 03-02-2007, 03:56 PM
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Sledgedog wrote:

> sledge...lost father 6 months ago.


I'm sorry to hear about your father.
J

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Old 03-03-2007, 01:08 AM
J W
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I think this hooha about DCA or dichloroacetate is nothing but a load of
CRAP if it's an old common drug that's been used for years as they say
to treat lactose acidosis among other conditions then why the hell can't
anybody produce it, where ia it? You'd thik there'd be pills somewhere
and our doctors could prescribe it. why do all the doctors and
pharmacists I ask sy they never heard of it? If it has n fact been
commonly used to treat huan disease then you'f think you could friggin
buy some somewhere. So what is it and why can't it be prescribed by a
doctor id someone wabts to try it? just some smoke and mirror crap some
guy is blowing up our asses.




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Old 03-04-2007, 06:44 AM
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Have you gone to these sites

http://www.colorectal-cancer.net/

http://www.fightcolorectalcancer.com/

"J W" <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>I think this hooha about DCA or dichloroacetate is nothing but a load of
> CRAP if it's an old common drug that's been used for years as they say
> to treat lactose acidosis among other conditions then why the hell can't
> anybody produce it, where ia it? You'd thik there'd be pills somewhere
> and our doctors could prescribe it. why do all the doctors and
> pharmacists I ask sy they never heard of it? If it has n fact been
> commonly used to treat huan disease then you'f think you could friggin
> buy some somewhere. So what is it and why can't it be prescribed by a
> doctor id someone wabts to try it? just some smoke and mirror crap some
> guy is blowing up our asses.
>
>
>
>



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Old 03-04-2007, 06:44 AM
J W
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Yes I have frequently gone to those sites but what does that have to do
with the subject? The topic was DCA or dichloroacetate and I commented
that if it's a common drug used for decades to trreat lactate acidosis
among other ills then why the heck can't anybody find or produce any of
this drug for people to try?? or is it just another huckster blowin wind
up our ass. The old saying goes shit or get off the pot. If this drug is
a possible miracle cancer cure and it's as comon as they say then where
the heck is it? My doc says she'd be happy to prescribe it it I can find
it in a pharmacy, I've called a whole lot of and none of them seem to
know what it is or have ever heard of it.
Searching internet turns up squat too, so expain to me again how it's an
old and common treatment?

Group: alt.support.cancer Date: Sat, Mar 3, 2007, 12:28pm From:
alex@noemail.com (alex)

Have you gone to these sites
http://www.colorectal-cancer.net/
http://www.fightcolorectalcancer.com/


"J W" <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote in message
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I think this hooha about DCA or dichloroacetate is nothing but a load of
CRAP if it's an old common drug that's been used for years as they say
to treat lactose acidosis among other conditions then why the hell can't
anybody produce it, where ia it? You'd thik there'd be pills somewhere
and our doctors could prescribe it. why do all the doctors and
pharmacists I ask sy they never heard of it? If it has n fact been
commonly used to treat huan disease then you'f think you could friggin
buy some somewhere. So what is it and why can't it be prescribed by a
doctor id someone wabts to try it? just some smoke and mirror crap some
guy is blowing up our asses.




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Old 03-04-2007, 06:44 AM
J
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J W wrote:

> Yes I have frequently gone to those sites but what does that have to do
> with the subject? The topic was DCA or dichloroacetate and I commented
> that if it's a common drug used for decades to trreat lactate acidosis
> among other ills then why the heck can't anybody find or produce any of
> this drug for people to try?? or is it just another huckster blowin wind
> up our ass. The old saying goes shit or get off the pot. If this drug is
> a possible miracle cancer cure and it's as comon as they say then where
> the heck is it? My doc says she'd be happy to prescribe it it I can find
> it in a pharmacy, I've called a whole lot of and none of them seem to
> know what it is or have ever heard of it.
> Searching internet turns up squat too, so expain to me again how it's an
> old and common treatment?


Hello JW.
I have some answers to your questions, but I'm not answering but to say
this:
It is NOT non-toxic
It helps some people with lactic acidosis, but in one (early) study, all but
one died.
And I don't know the cutoff date (of the study), so for all we know the
other died as well.
J

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Old 03-05-2007, 04:24 PM
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http://www.thedcasite.com/cgi/dcboard.cgi

Also
I have posted the name and phone number of this pharmacy before to others
and the pharmacists are saying they just need a 2 or 3 day turnaround (their
supplier is in Texas). Then, if you prepay, they could airmail it to you in
capsule form.
Here it is again:
J.E. Pierce Apothecary
Brookline, MA
Phone Number:
1-617-566-4080 (ask for Steve, the pharmacist).

You need to make payment arrangements and probably can fax your prescription
to them.
Good luck. This might also be a good place to get your Thiamine supplement.



"J W" <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Yes I have frequently gone to those sites but what does that have to do
> with the subject? The topic was DCA or dichloroacetate and I commented
> that if it's a common drug used for decades to trreat lactate acidosis
> among other ills then why the heck can't anybody find or produce any of
> this drug for people to try?? or is it just another huckster blowin wind
> up our ass. The old saying goes shit or get off the pot. If this drug is
> a possible miracle cancer cure and it's as comon as they say then where
> the heck is it? My doc says she'd be happy to prescribe it it I can find
> it in a pharmacy, I've called a whole lot of and none of them seem to
> know what it is or have ever heard of it.
> Searching internet turns up squat too, so expain to me again how it's an
> old and common treatment?
>
> Group: alt.support.cancer Date: Sat, Mar 3, 2007, 12:28pm From:
> alex@noemail.com (alex)
>
> Have you gone to these sites
> http://www.colorectal-cancer.net/
> http://www.fightcolorectalcancer.com/
>
>
> "J W" <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:28960-45E88D18-377@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net...
> I think this hooha about DCA or dichloroacetate is nothing but a load of
> CRAP if it's an old common drug that's been used for years as they say
> to treat lactose acidosis among other conditions then why the hell can't
> anybody produce it, where ia it? You'd thik there'd be pills somewhere
> and our doctors could prescribe it. why do all the doctors and
> pharmacists I ask sy they never heard of it? If it has n fact been
> commonly used to treat huan disease then you'f think you could friggin
> buy some somewhere. So what is it and why can't it be prescribed by a
> doctor id someone wabts to try it? just some smoke and mirror crap some
> guy is blowing up our asses.
>
>
>
>



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Old 03-05-2007, 04:24 PM
J
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alex wrote:

> http://www.thedcasite.com/cgi/dcboard.cgi


LAST EDITED ON Feb-16-07 AT 06:19 PM (PST)

There will be a pet/animal website where anyone can buy DCA posted soon.
More information will be available as soon as possible.

Heather Nordstrom
TheDCASite Admin & Moderator


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Old 03-05-2007, 04:24 PM
J
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J wrote:

> alex wrote:
>
> > http://www.thedcasite.com/cgi/dcboard.cgi

>
> LAST EDITED ON Feb-16-07 AT 06:19 PM (PST)
>
> There will be a pet/animal website where anyone can buy DCA posted soon.
> More information will be available as soon as possible.
>
> Heather Nordstrom
> TheDCASite Admin & Moderator


That (which I pasted, above) was from a "cached" page of the original
(Heather's original post was removed).
She and some family members run the website.
She and ome family members created a "pet supply" website.

So Alex has been slumming around the dca website.
She's not the only one.
A surgeon and scientist has also been slumming around on the web site.
I think I have his full name and credentials somewhere.

There's a lot to read here (on his blog about DCA) - There's also a link to
report them to the FDA
and talk that use of untested DCA could result in class action lawsuits.

<http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/02/more_dichoroacetate_dubiousness.php>

"I would also encourage oncology professionals to be on the lookout for
cancer patients with unexplained changes in renal function or electrolytes -
as DCA is widely-available, there is a high probability that clinical
professionals will be encountering patients with DCA toxicity if my search
queries are any indication of the pervasiveness of interest in this as-yet
untested therapy for human cancers."

More sanity
http://www.cancer.org/aspx/Blog/Comments.aspx?id=130
by Dr. Len Lichtenfeld
It is way too soon to know whether this is a cancer treatment breakthrough
or an urban legend or something in between.

I am acutely aware that there are cancer patients out there who are fighting
every day for their survival, and are hoping that there is one last chance
to get a treatment that may prolong or save their lives.

For some of you out there to inappropriately make them feel that DCA is the
answer to their prayers based on this single early stage report in a medical
research journal is, in my opinion, not acceptable at best and despicable at
worst. <end quote>

and I agree with him.
It's an analog of a solvent. Nobody, in their right mind, would agree to
have that injected or take in pill form or powder, with water, without it
having been properly tested in clinical trials.
J


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Old 03-05-2007, 04:24 PM
J W
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I don't Know J. when I was in college people would glaldy take homemade
LSD, mescaline, Speed, bathtub gin, MDA,PCP, Pot laced with PCP, Cocaine
cut with lord knows what, homemade ludes, Smoke corn silk, banana skins,
eat mushrooms straight off the top of a cow turd, you name it for the
sake of getting high even now the drugs of choice meth and crack are
made in someones garage in unsanitary conditions, using unregulated
ingredients and equipment. Everytime you do drugs you are risking death
because you have no idea what you are really taking. I think if folks
are willing to go to that extreme just to get high, I don't think taking
the same risk to save ones life is an ureasonable risk.

I think that anything that may be of some merit or use should be
regulated for quality and dosage control and should be readily available
at reasonable cost for anyone dying of an incurable disease. To withold
it or gouge people with insane prices like big pharma does is both
criminal and inexcusable. You want to get stinking rich off drugs,
legalize the ones that get people high and charge them a friggin arm and
a leg for them but don't rape the dying or withold something from them
that may or may not help them just because you who are not suffering
don't think it's appropriate or haven't figured out a way to profit from
it yet. Honestly sick animals get better treatment than people do. At
least when our pets reach the point hat there s no hope and are in great
pain we have the decency to end their misery. But people well as long as
their insurance company is shelling out the dough we'll do everything we
can to keep em breathing even if it means putting hem in a coma with
pain meds till they absolutely can't be kept alive any longer. It's
disgusting that a bag of chemcals that will do no more than keep you
alive a few months of which you'll mostly be sick from the medicine
should cost thousands of dollars per dose in some cases 30 or more
thousand per dose when the IV bag the chemicals are in probably cost
more to produce than the chemicals did is pure unadulterated evil and
hell has a very speecial place for those that peddle it. Just my
opinion.

Group: alt.support.cancer Date: Sun, Mar 4, 2007, 11:32am From:
nexsw@nvalid (J) wrote:

It's an analog of a solvent. Nobody, in their right mind, would agree to
have that injected or take in pill form or powder, with water, without
it having been properly tested in clinical trials. J




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Old 03-07-2007, 04:19 AM
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Flouride is a byproduct of power plant and some otherindustrial
smokestack toxic waste airscrubbers yet it's in our water, in ur
toothpasts, most mouthwashes and many other products. I don't know if
they still do it but when I was in elementary school they had a health
care worker or dentist of some sort come by the school and everyone had
to get a flouride teatment. Some oncologists including mine recommend
getting a flouride treatment before starting chemo to help reduce risk
of tooth decay due to excessive drymouth and such from chemo. There is a
big debate going on and many scholars saying that fluoride may be linked
to cancer yet it's still being used. 5FU was a byproduct of mustard gas.
Nearly all chemo drugs are poisonus toxins, so what's your point?

Group: alt.support.cancer Date: Sun, Mar 4, 2007, 11:32am From:
nexsw@nvalid (J) wrote:

and I agree with him.
It's an analog of a solvent. Nobody, in their right mind, would agree to
have that injected or take in pill form or powder, with water, without
it having been properly tested in clinical trials. J




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Old 03-07-2007, 12:19 PM
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"J W" <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Flouride is a byproduct of power plant and some otherindustrial
> smokestack toxic waste airscrubbers yet it's in our water, in ur
> toothpasts, most mouthwashes and many other products. I don't know if
> they still do it but when I was in elementary school they had a health
> care worker or dentist of some sort come by the school and everyone had
> to get a flouride teatment. Some oncologists including mine recommend
> getting a flouride treatment before starting chemo to help reduce risk
> of tooth decay due to excessive drymouth and such from chemo. There is a
> big debate going on and many scholars saying that fluoride may be linked
> to cancer yet it's still being used. 5FU was a byproduct of mustard gas.


There is no fluorine in mustard gas, so how is 5FU a by product?

> Nearly all chemo drugs are poisonus toxins, so what's your point?


Knives are sharp, too. Water drowns people. What's your point?



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Old 03-08-2007, 03:09 AM
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To start with I was not addressing you, I was responding to someone
else's post. I was making a point that almost all things related to
cancer treatment are toxic, even things we ingest daily are toxic.
Chlorine is the most toxic chemical on erth yetwe drink it combined with
a known cancer causing agent (flouride), we bath in it, swim in it, wash
our clothes in it. So why should we fear DCA. The worst it could do is
kill you and according to you if you are stage four you're gonna die
anyway. Personally if I was convinced wolfshit sandwiches would cure my
cancer, I'd eat them williningly. I wasn't talking to you anyway, mind
yer own business.

Group: alt.support.cancer Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2007, 7:08am (EST+5) From:
steph@vancouvers.island (Steph) wrote:

Knives are sharp, too. Water drowns people. What's your point?

Group: alt.support.cancer Date: Sun, Mar 4, 2007, 11:32am From:
nexsw@nvalid (J) wrote:
and I agree with him.
It's an analog of a solvent. Nobody, in their right mind, would agree to
have that injected or take in pill form or powder, with water, without
it having been properly tested in clinical trials. J




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Old 03-08-2007, 03:09 AM
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On Mar 7, 7:28 am, jonbo...@webtv.net (J W) wrote:
> To start with I was not addressing you, I was responding to someone
> else's post. I was making a point that almost all things related to
> cancer treatment are toxic, even things we ingest daily are toxic.
> Chlorine is the most toxic chemical on erth


Wow! Where did you get *that* gem from? While chlorine *is* toxic,
it's not at the top of the list. A certain dense metal, and something
vain people get injected into them are two more toxic substances.

> yetwe drink it combined with
> a known cancer causing agent (flouride), we bath in it, swim in it, wash
> our clothes in it. So why should we fear DCA. The worst it could do is
> kill you and according to you if you are stage four you're gonna die
> anyway.


Even those at stage 1 are goig to die. Taking something that will
decrease the quality and quantity of life remaining is hardly a good
idea, even though the end will come either way.

> Personally if I was convinced wolfshit sandwiches would cure my
> cancer, I'd eat them williningly. I wasn't talking to you anyway, mind
> yer own business.


You appear to not know how Usenet works. If you want a private
conversation with someone, you may want to try email. It's about as
private as a postcard, but it is at least directed. Usenet groups are
public, and you are in effect talking to everyone who is "present",
not just one person. You should not be surprised if you get responses
from someone other than the one you responded to. That is part of the
nature of the medium.

---
CSM

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Old 03-08-2007, 03:09 AM
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Yes mercury, lead and botox (botulism) are quite toxic but they are also
much less prevalent in use. Pure undiluted chlorine is in fact the most
widely used, caustic and most lethal chemical on the planet. especialy
when mixed with amonia and flouride in drinking water. They claim that
it is regulated to a safe level and the average human would never be
able to drink enogh to cause any problems. What they don't say is what
subtle genetic DNA changes may take place over several generations of
people ingesting it and what effect that may have. I imagine though I
haven't researched it that cancer rates have have steadily increased
since we bagan using them in our water supply, up until recently when
they learned how to play with the stats to make it seem like less.
France has a low cancer rate. Many atribute that to their high wine
consumption cantainng resveritol. But on the otherhand France does not
chlorinate their drinking water, they ozoneate it. the agripharma
companes like monsanto have bioengineered (altered the DNA) of all our
grains. the seeds all have a suicide gene in their DNA now which means
that the seed you buy from them will produce one crop, the seed thatcrop
produces is sterile, it will not reproduce. This way the farmers cannot
save and replant seed, they have to purchase new seed every year. That
grain is in nearly everything that every living creature on earth eats.
What do you suppose 8-12 generations of eating that grain may do to
us???? a huge amount of produce is now imported and most of it is
irradiated to kill foreign bacteris that USA citizens may be unacustomed
to eating. That's why ou're hearing more cases of e-coli from
produce.because some of it is getting by the inspectors. Much of our
produce is grown in soils that have so many toxic chemicals in them to
satisfy the evergrowing greed of the farmer to produce more and more
rreardless of the human cost that it's pathetic. Much of our produce has
been biologicaly altered to have insect and disease fighting chemicals
bonded to it systemicaly. Most all beef, pork and poultry is fed that
bioengineered grain and are injected with growth harmones and
antibiotics. (antibiotics kill the bacteria in your gut that digests
your food) poor digestive flora leads to many autoimmune diseases as
well as allergies. as for the growth harmones, look around you. Do teens
look like they did when we were teens? No they don't they are huge,
average birthweights are much higher too. You are what you put in your
body. better living through cemistry will in the end kill us all.
Doctors are trained to treat symptoms, they are not trained to find the
cause of the symptom and cure that. They prescribe a pillfor this
symptom which creates another problem for yet another pill and so on and
so on until you are taking 20 pills a day and all of your income is
paying for pill that have not cured the problem. When you have symptoms
there are some pretty basic fundmental causes, most of which can be
traced to some deficency in diet, need for a vitamin or mineral
suppliment, body toxicity which means you need to cleanse your body of
toxins, (simple fasting can in somet cases do the trick) body PH out of
balance, stress and coping issues, excessive sugar and or yeast intake
causing yeast overgrowth in the colon, escessive antibiotic use
destroying the food processing bacteria in your gut (take probiotics..
lack of proper body oxygenation (excersise get out from in front of the
playstation and go for a walk)

Man has an instant gratification flaw that keeps him from doing the
right things for his body because science has him folled into beleiving
taking a pill or two will fix it instantly and they won't.To defeat your
enemy you must Know your enemy


Group: alt.support.cancer Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2007, 1:23pm (EST-3) From:
csm7532@hotmail.com

To start with I was not addressing you, I was responding to someone
else's post. I was making a point that almost all things related to
cancer treatment are toxic, even things we ingest daily are toxic.
Chlorine is the most toxic chemical on erth

Wow! Where did you get *that* gem from? While chlorine *is* toxic, it's
not at the top of the list. A certain dense metal, and something vain
people get injected into them are two more toxic substances.




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Old 03-08-2007, 03:09 AM
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On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 07:08:18 GMT, "Steph" <steph@vancouvers.island>
wrote:

>
>"J W" <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote in message
>news:28960-45EDFB85-1001@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net...
>> Flouride is a byproduct of power plant and some otherindustrial
>> smokestack toxic waste airscrubbers yet it's in our water, in ur
>> toothpasts, most mouthwashes and many other products. I don't know if
>> they still do it but when I was in elementary school they had a health
>> care worker or dentist of some sort come by the school and everyone had
>> to get a flouride teatment. Some oncologists including mine recommend
>> getting a flouride treatment before starting chemo to help reduce risk
>> of tooth decay due to excessive drymouth and such from chemo. There is a
>> big debate going on and many scholars saying that fluoride may be linked
>> to cancer yet it's still being used. 5FU was a byproduct of mustard gas.

>
>There is no fluorine in mustard gas, so how is 5FU a by product?

It is not, but plenty of other chemo drugs are in fact relatives of
Mustard gas.
>
>> Nearly all chemo drugs are poisonus toxins, so what's your point?

Many of them are also carcinogenic
>
>Knives are sharp, too. Water drowns people. What's your point?
>
>


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Old 03-08-2007, 03:09 AM
J W
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And to followup on the chlorine issue it's not just simply drinking it.
It's breathing it directly into your lungs from steam and absorbing high
amounts through opened pours from hot bathwater, it's swimming in highly
chlorinated swimming pools and steamy saunas. (sidenote professional
swimmers have many more autoumune diseases than average swimmers) also
everytime you bleach yer whites (underwear) unless you use vinnegar in
the final rinse to render the chlorine harmless or use more than one
final rinse you are leaving high amounts of chlorine in your drawers and
it's getting absorbed at one of you most sensetive areas. One side
effect of thatis boils, cysts or carbuncles. everytime you douse your
outdoor furniture, patio, driveway, pool deck, boat deck animal pens,
etc. clean your bathrooms with chlorine. you are exposing yourself to
it. when you shock your pool or add chlorine tablets. You are inhaling
massive amonts of chlorine when you open those containers. You'd be
suprised at how many common household items contain some form of
chlorine. So yeah the water dept.'s answer of well you'd have to drink a
huge amount of chlorinated water to hurt you may be true but add that to
the jillions of other ways you are exposed to even higher amounts of
chlorine and I think you get the picture. it's harmful.


Re: DCA what do people think

Group: alt.support.cancer Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2007, 6:01pm From:
jonboy42@webtv.net (J*W)
Yes mercury, lead and botox (botulism) are quite toxic but they are also
much less prevalent in use. Pure undiluted chlorine is in fact the most
widely used, caustic and most lethal chemical on the planet. especialy
when mixed with amonia and flouride in drinking water. They claim that
it is regulated to a safe level and the average human would never be
able to drink enogh to cause any problems. What they don't say is what
subtle genetic DNA changes may take place over several generations of
people ingesting it and what effect that may have. I imagine though I
haven't researched it that cancer rates have have steadily increased
since we bagan using them in our water supply, up until recently when
they learned how to play with the stats to make it seem like less.
France has a low cancer rate. Many atribute that to their high wine
consumption cantainng resveritol. But on the otherhand France does not
chlorinate their drinking water, they ozoneate it. the agripharma
companes like monsanto have bioengineered (altered the DNA) of all our
grains. the seeds all have a suicide gene in their DNA now which means
that the seed you buy from them will produce one crop, the seed thatcrop
produces is sterile, it will not reproduce. This way the farmers cannot
save and replant seed, they have to purchase new seed every year. That
grain is in nearly everything that every living creature on earth eats.
What do you suppose 8-12 generations of eating that grain may do to
us???? a huge amount of produce is now imported and most of it is
irradiated to kill foreign bacteris that USA citizens may be unacustomed
to eating. That's why ou're hearing more cases of e-coli from
produce.because some of it is getting by the inspectors. Much of our
produce is grown in soils that have so many toxic chemicals in them to
satisfy the evergrowing greed of the farmer to produce more and more
rreardless of the human cost that it's pathetic. Much of our produce has
been biologicaly altered to have insect and disease fighting chemicals
bonded to it systemicaly. Most all beef, pork and poultry is fed that
bioengineered grain and are injected with growth harmones and
antibiotics. (antibiotics kill the bacteria in your gut that digests
your food) poor digestive flora leads to many autoimmune diseases as
well as allergies. as for the growth harmones, look around you. Do teens
look like they did when we were teens? No they don't they are huge,
average birthweights are much higher too. You are what you put in your
body. better living through cemistry will in the end kill us all.
Doctors are trained to treat symptoms, they are not trained to find the
cause of the symptom and cure that. They prescribe a pillfor this
symptom which creates another problem for yet another pill and so on and
so on until you are taking 20 pills a day and all of your income is
paying for pill that have not cured the problem. When you have symptoms
there are some pretty basic fundmental causes, most of which can be
traced to some deficency in diet, need for a vitamin or mineral
suppliment, body toxicity which means you need to cleanse your body of
toxins, (simple fasting can in somet cases do the trick) body PH out of
balance, stress and coping issues, excessive sugar and or yeast intake
causing yeast overgrowth in the colon, escessive antibiotic use
destroying the food processing bacteria in your gut (take probiotics..
lack of proper body oxygenation (excersise get out from in front of the
playstation and go for a walk)
Man has an instant gratification flaw that keeps him from doing the
right things for his body because science has him folled into beleiving
taking a pill or two will fix it instantly and they won't.To defeat your
enemy you must Know your enemy
Group: alt.support.cancer Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2007, 1:23pm (EST-3) From:
csm7532@hotmail.com
To start with I was not addressing you, I was responding to someone
else's post. I was making a point that almost all things related to
cancer treatment are toxic, even things we ingest daily are toxic.
Chlorine is the most toxic chemical on erth
Wow! Where did you get *that* gem from? While chlorine *is* toxic, it's
not at the top of the list. A certain dense metal, and something vain
people get injected into them are two more toxic substances.




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I stand corrected, what I meant to say was many chemo drugs are derived
from poison mustard gas. some from poisonous bark of the yew tree, some
from deadly nighshade, some from poisonous periwinkle and the list goes
on. I don't see this DCA as any bigger of a threat than anyof those are.
The safe dosages of this DCA are known. I'd agree some clinical testing
would be nice but since it is not patentable IE:not profitable I doubt
that will happen and even if it did I doubt it would be given the same
speedy FDA approval as avastin, erbitiux and panitimub were. My great
grandkids may get it but I won't. Guess us stage 4ers with nothing to
lose will have to resort to ordering it from ify canadian pharmacies or
schlepping to mexico to get it. The way cancer drug approval works kinda
puts one in mind of how women used to have to go to backalley butchers
for abortions doesn''t it. I know it's not a popular subject but it's a
similar analogy.




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"matt weber" <mattheww50@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:t6iuu2dard18mgirsv027ehakau9lgeu8j@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 07:08:18 GMT, "Steph" <steph@vancouvers.island>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"J W" <jonboy42@webtv.net> wrote in message
>>news:28960-45EDFB85-1001@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net...
>>> Flouride is a byproduct of power plant and some otherindustrial
>>> smokestack toxic waste airscrubbers yet it's in our water, in ur
>>> toothpasts, most mouthwashes and many other products. I don't know if
>>> they still do it but when I was in elementary school they had a health
>>> care worker or dentist of some sort come by the school and everyone had
>>> to get a flouride teatment. Some oncologists including mine recommend
>>> getting a flouride treatment before starting chemo to help reduce risk
>>> of tooth decay due to excessive drymouth and such from chemo. There is a
>>> big debate going on and many scholars saying that fluoride may be linked
>>> to cancer yet it's still being used. 5FU was a byproduct of mustard gas.

>>
>>There is no fluorine in mustard gas, so how is 5FU a by product?

> It is not, but plenty of other chemo drugs are in fact relatives of
> Mustard gas.


Many people are relatives of George Bush. What does that tell you about
other people?

>>
>>> Nearly all chemo drugs are poisonus toxins, so what's your point?

> Many of them are also carcinogenic


Many things are carcinogenic - it's a property of the world

>>
>>Knives are sharp, too. Water drowns people. What's your point?
>>
>>

>



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Old 03-09-2007, 05:04 AM
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J W wrote:

>
> I don't see this DCA as any bigger of a threat than anyof those are.
> The safe dosages of this DCA are known.


So sez you.

> I'd agree some clinical testing
> would be nice but since it is not patentable IE:not profitable I doubt
> that will happen and even if it did I doubt it would be given the same
> speedy FDA approval as avastin, erbitiux and panitimub were. My great
> grandkids may get it but I won't. Guess us stage 4ers with nothing to
> lose will have to resort to ordering it from ify canadian pharmacies or
> schlepping to mexico to get it.


Alex provided you a source, in the US (complete with phone number). You said
your doctor would prescribe it.
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.cancer/msg/26115ed9254bd2b0?dmode=source>

Sh*t or get off the pot.

** of course, since it claims to shrink tumors and you have none to shrink,
you can't be a testimonial. [FTR]

and [FTR] I think I'm abandoning this topic, unless someone new asks about
it and/or clinical trials are started.

J


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