J wrote:
> Alayne wrote:
>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> Little question really, have collected FIL's death certificate and wondered
>> what "Polycythaemia Rubra Vera" is? It's listed as the second cause of
>> death, the first one being "Metastatic Carcinoma of Bronchus".
>
> It's a blood condition . If you're worried about the girls, this should reassure
> you
> http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40002355/
>
>> Having the next eight weeks or so has given me pause for thought with his
>> burial. I thought that it would be a nice touch if I also interred the rest
>> of Tony's ashes along with his father. I have always wondered what to do
>> with these (the majority have been scattered among potted roses etc. by our
>> memorial) and a friend tracing her family tree got me thinking, I may have a
>> memorial for Tony but any grandchildren or future generations won't know
>> where to find him. That way I can have his name on the headstone too and it
>> will be very fitting to be in Melbourn as it was Tony's home village. It's
>> at the thought stage at the moment but as there is no input from blood
>> family I seem to have free rein.
>
> Good idea but if it's anything like Canada, in UK, it will not be permitted.
> Each space has a number and a name; not name(s) unless it's 2 spaces, side by
> side, and one stone with both names on it.
> There was a thread on UK legal as to who owns ashes.
> The person with power of attorney is in charge of what happens (to some extent)
> and then the cemetery has its rules, often determined by local council.
> For a number of reasons, they're the last ones to view the contents of the
> coffin.
> So trying to slip Tony's ashes in, privately, probably wouldn't work.
> And they won't allow 2 names for one space.
> That's my opinion. Let us know what your own inquiries reveal.
> Hugs
> J
>
>
Hi J,
I have had some experience with multiple ash burial.
More info:
http://www.innisfilfuneralhome.ca/burial_cremation.htm
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We offer a full range of options for both burial
and cremation. In fact, many families are
surprised at the variety of options available,
especially when selecting cremation.
Burial/Entombment
The option of burial is available whether your
family currently owns a plot or wishes to purchase
a new grave(s). Most cemeteries in this area have
graves available for purchase. In fact, a recent
study has determined that in North America, based
on current cemeteries on operation, there is
enough burial land to last the next 25 years.
A limited number of cemeteries also offer
entombment. As an alternative to burial in ground,
the casket is place in a wall above ground. These
buildings, often referred to as mausoleums, will
vary greatly in size and style depending on their
location. It should be noted that this method of
disposition is more expensive than burial. In this
immediate area, Innisvale Cemetery & Crematorium
in Thornton is the only location offering entombment.
Located in Innisfil, there are several cemeteries;
St. Paul's Anglican, St. James United, Innisvale
Cemetery & Crematorium and Sixth Line to name a few.
We maintain a list of most local cemeteries and
the contact person(s) who can assist families
interested in purchasing a plot. It should be
noted that these cemeteries may have policies in
place that limit burials to families with
immediate connections to the community. As these
smaller cemeteries approach capacity, guidelines
have been implemented to ensure that locals have
access to plots. Although we do not sell plots,
feel free to contact our office and we will assist
you in finding the name and phone number of the
cemetery contact person(s).
Burial outside of the local area is also a service
available to families. We can arrange for burials
within Ontario, Canada and worldwide. Specific
requests can be addressed by contacting our office.
Cremation
Points of Interest
Currently in Ontario, provincial legislation
stipulates that a funeral home can not have a
crematorium on-site. The crematorium must be a
separate entity from the funeral home. In
addition, the owner of a funeral establishment is
not permitted to have controlling ownership in a
cemetery or crematorium. Most crematoriums are
located on cemetery property.
In Ontario some cemeteries and/or crematoriums
have establishments on-site that allow for
visitation. It should be understood that these
facilities are not funeral homes but rather
"visitation centres". Visitation centres are very
limited to the types of services they may provide.
For example, they are not licenced to provide
embalming or to arrange funerals with families.
Families are not obligated to deal with one
particular funeral home should they wish to use a
Visitation Centre; that choice is the families.
There are no Visitation Centres located within
Innisfil or the immediate area.
Understanding Cremation
Cremation is a dignified alternative to burial
that is often accompanied by misunderstanding.
This section is intended to ensure that the
concept of cremation is truly understood. Here are
some important points about cremation:
1) An open casket visitation CAN take place
prior to cremation just as with burial.
2) Embalming IS an option even with cremation.
3) If a casket is purchased for cremation,
the entire casket is cremated with the body. If a
family wishes to have cremation follow the
visitation and/or service but do not feel
comfortable cremating the casket, we have 2 rental
options available. Our rental casket system
consists of a specially designed casket shell that
houses a cremation container. The exterior looks
like a regular casket but has an insert that is
removed and cremated with the body. A new insert
is placed in the shell after each use. The pillow
and cloth interior are attached to this insert and
are replaced after each use. The caskets that are
available to be rented are clearly identified to
families and a Rental Casket Agreement is signed
by the family to ensure they fully understand the
concept of a "rental casket. The rental casket
option is not available for burial.
4) Cremation is not always less costly than
burial. A small minority of families who select
cremation will choose not to have visitation or a
service. In this situation cremation would be less
than burial. Cremation however, can be more costly
than burial depending on how the family wishes to
deal with the cremated remains.
Example:
Family "A" has selected a casket and is requesting
a full traditional funeral with open casket
visitation from 2-4 & 7-9 p.m. The funeral will
follow the next day in the funeral home chapel.
The family already owns an empty grave at the
local cemetery but can not decide between burial
and cremation.
Option A: Full casket burial without cremation:
Currently the fee for the local cemetery to open
and close the grave for a full casket burial is
$520.00. The family has opted not to use a
concrete burial container to protect the casket.
The total charge by the cemetery required to
complete the burial is $520.00.
Option B: Cremation with the burial of ashes in
the same plot:
Cremations arranged through our funeral homes take
place at Innisvale Cemetery & Crematorium. Their
fee for cremation is $411.95. In addition to this
fee, the Province of Ontario requires all
cremations be approved by a Coroner prior to
taking place. The fee for this approval is $75.00.
In addition, the charge for the local cemetery to
open and close the grave for the purpose of
burying cremated remains is $165.00. In this
situation, total cemetery fees amount to $651.95.
The other item that can factor the cost of
cremation is the urn selection. Although not
required by law, many families choose to place the
ashes in a container other than the plastic box
received from the crematorium. Urn prices can
start below $100 and can go up to several thousand
dollars.
5) Environmental concerns can often influence
a family to select cremation rather than burial.
There are rising concerns that the cremation
process may be releasing high levels of pollutants
into the environment. Although we have not seen
any conclusive reports, the concern stems from the
types of containers that are cremated. Pressboard,
particle board or MDF constructed
containers/caskets contain resins that may be
harmful to the environment when burned. It is not
uncommon for families selecting cremation to
choose a more entry level casket. It is also
common that these caskets are less money because
they are manufactured from a combination of solid
wood and solid wood alternatives (such as
pressboard). Fortunately we are able to offer
products that are less harmful to the environment
when cremated. There have been discussions of
monitoring the emissions from crematoriums. Should
these studies produce evidence that cremation
emissions are exceeding safe levels, future
regulations may require crematoriums to add
devices to reduce pollutants released to the
environment. These devices can be very expensive
and potentially could affect the price of
cremation in the future. It is a subject that we
do not yet have any concrete answers for but will
be of great interest over the years to come.
These are just a few points to ponder. We are
always available to discuss these or any other
matters with you.
Options for Cremation
To follow up on our opening statement, here are
some of the many service options available with
cremation:
1) One or two days of open or closed casket
visitation and the service to follow on the next day.
2) Open or closed casket visitation on the
same day as the service.
3) Funeral service absent of the casket or
body. Family may select to have the urn present
for the service if they wish.
4) A gathering absent of the casket or body
with no formal service. An informal gathering
allows people to visit during a set period of
time. Urn can be present for gathering if family
wishes.
5) A service held only at the graveside on
the day of the burial of ashes.
6) A service in the funeral home or church
with the urn present, followed by a procession of
vehicles to the final resting place of the
cremated remains.
Families often inquire as to what options are
available related to the disposition of cremated
remains. Here are some of the common options
available:
1) One of the most frequently asked questions
that we are asked is "Can ashes be scattered?". We
are not in a position to give legal advice on this
topic. We are not aware of any law in Ontario that
makes scattering of ashes illegal. What we do
suggest is that families carefully consider ALL
their options before commencing with scattering.
Remember, once the ashes are scattered it is
FINAL. Your decision can not be reversed. Other
important factors to consider before scattering is
the location and method of which this will take place.
Water
Water is a popular destination, however this
should be carefully thought out. Scattering from
the shore or a boat can become a problem if the
wake is too strong. Parts of the cremated remains
will float in the direction of the current. Avoid
containers that will float or remain in tact for
years to come. Consider that a swimmer or diver
could locate ashes protected by a container. Urns
are available from the funeral home made of
materials that are designed to float for a short
duration before settling to the bottom and
naturally breaking down to the elements.
Land
Places like the family cottage can be a
tranquil resting place for ashes. It is important
to keep in mind that the location that you scatter
the ashes becomes a spot that will be remembered
for years to come; sort of like a private
cemetery. Do you want a "cemetery" in an area that
you frequently relate to recreational fun or that
special place of peacefulness and solitude? Before
scattering on your property consider the fact that
this land may not always belong to your family. As
unlikely as it may seem at the time, one day your
favorite family destination could be a commercial
or residential development.
Public land, such as parks, are not suggested
as an ideal location but are still selected by
some families. This requires extra consideration
and discretion; the last thing you would want to
do is offend someone who might just happen to walk
by during your "ceremony". If you must scatter on
public property, select a time of day when less
traveled and a location out of public view that
will allow for the ashes to go unnoticed until
they are able to disperse back to the elements.
2) Cemeteries are adapting to the increase in
cremation. Many cemeteries are now offering
columbarium niches (or niche walls) which are the
structures that have either glass or stone fronts.
The family purchase the rights to use one
compartment which is normally capable of holding
two containers or urns.
Ashes can also be buried in full size burial
plots. Depending on the cemetery, they may allow
as many as 4 to six containers of cremated remains
in one single grave. People that own family plots
that do not have room for full casket burials may
still be allowed by the cemetery to bury ashes on
top. Each cemetery will vary and they should be
contacted for their rules and regulations.
Permission will also be required by the legal
owner of the plot before proceeding.
Select cemeteries have available cremation
plots. The size of the plot is much smaller than a
full size grave but normally have room for the
burial of 2 urns.
On occasion, families have inquired about
placing the cremated remains of one person into a
casket with someone else.
Example: The husband died and was cremated
according to his wishes. The ashes were kept at
home by the family until the death of his wife.
Her wishes were to be buried in a casket and not
cremated. The family has requested that the ashes
be placed in the casket so that they could be
buried together.
This request can be accommodate providing the
cemetery gives approval. We will always notify the
cemetery of such a request. We respect the
cemetery's rules and regulations and the
importance that these arrangements be properly
documented by the cemetery for historical reasons.
For families that want a dignified, but
inexpensive method of dealing with the remains,
some cemeteries offer "common ground burial". For
a minimal fee, the cemetery accepts the ashes and
buries or stores them in a section that is
unmarked. Although the family would not know where
they are located and are unable to place a
monument, they can find comfort in knowing that
the remains have been taken care of in a dignified
manner. If the family changes their mind in the
future, it may be possible to have the ashes
retrieved for an additional fee. If you are
considering common ground burial and feel that you
may want the ashes back at a later date, check
with the cemetery as to their retrieval policy.
In closing, remember one important thing; when you
scatter ashes, you are in essence closing a
chapter on someone's life forever. Unlike burial
at a cemetery, there will be no record to indicate
the final resting place of the ashes, no monument
that stands throughout time to mark the site of
burial and no archived record of what has
transpired. Over the years we have seen a strong
interest in genealogical research. Many people
have successfully traced family roots with the
assistance of cemetery records. When ashes are
scattered, this record generally does not exist.
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