Komen's tips for co-survivors

Here in an article about co-survivors this is a new term. For those of
you who don't like survivor you'll hate co-survivor.

http://www.komen.org/intradoc-cgi/id...GE&nodeId=1013

But since many who post here are not patients who have had cancer,
actively treated or now evidence of diseade but are wife, widows,
daughters, sons, friends of people who have had cancer or are are wife,
widows, daughters, sons, friends of people being treated for cancer I
thought this may be of interest.

usenetgirl@gmail.com wrote in
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> http://www.komen.org/intradoc-cgi/id...rvice=SS_GET_P
> AGE&nodeId=1013

Is that like an 'enabler'? But in a positive way? Oh dear. Forgive me if
I still prefer caregiver, Sam's wife, Laura's sister, Bob's friend,
whatever. Everything has to be taken at least 1 step too far imho. Somehow
I picture people walking down the street with signs hanging off of them,
defining their various life roles,maybe humming "Nobody knows the Trouble
I've Seen" or "We Shall Overcome."


I resent having my experiences & feelings defined to the world as part of a
marketing scheme - just wrap it all up & now everyone knows just what you
are.

I feel a T-shirt blitz coming on...

Fig

Figgertoes <me@privacy.net> wrote in
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> usenetgirl@gmail.com wrote in
> news:1161558833.692000.256860@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com:


So if you are a co-survivor & the 'survivor' stops surviving, what does
that make you? This is what happens when you define yourself in terms of
someone else.

Fig, head throbbing

<usenetgirl@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Here in an article about co-survivors this is a new term. For those of
> you who don't like survivor you'll hate co-survivor.
>


I just had to take an ondansetron

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> of you who don't like survivor you'll hate co-survivor.
>
>
>
aka Victimhood by Proxy

Fig

Figgertoes wrote:

> I picture people walking down the street with signs hanging off of them,
> defining their various life roles,maybe humming "Nobody knows the Trouble
> I've Seen" or "We Shall Overcome."
>
I was always partial to the military ribbons. Showed where you had been and
whether you were someone who went "above and beyond" the minimum; yet still
subtle enough that the observer would have to take the interest to read
them. I have wished before that real life had them. Mine would be things
like survived a tour with Parliament Funkadelic and worked for a computer
company that went bankrupt and managed to last a year in Mississippi.
Service lines at the base of the right sleeve for each marriage and major
cohabitation or maybe just each five years of marriage or both.


> I resent having my experiences & feelings defined to the world as part of
> a marketing scheme - just wrap it all up & now everyone knows just what
> you are.
>
> I feel a T-shirt blitz coming on...
>
But wouldn't the T-shirt do just that? I was particularly proud of my "crew"
t-shirts and tour jackets (and backstage passes). They are old and beat-up
now, but I still can't throw them away. Of course whether they survive my
daughter wearing them is a different story.

Figgertoes wrote:

> Figgertoes <me@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:Xns9864C3ECE81ADfiggertoes@216.168.3.44:
>
>> usenetgirl@gmail.com wrote in
>> news:1161558833.692000.256860@i42g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com:
>
>
> So if you are a co-survivor & the 'survivor' stops surviving, what does
> that make you?

co-decedant

Of course that makes me of Indian wives having to throw themselves on the
pyre.

Chris Ness wrote:
> Figgertoes wrote:
>
> > I picture people walking down the street with signs hanging off of them,
> > defining their various life roles,maybe humming "Nobody knows the Trouble
> > I've Seen" or "We Shall Overcome."
> >
> I was always partial to the military ribbons. Showed where you had been and
> whether you were someone who went "above and beyond" the minimum; yet still
> subtle enough that the observer would have to take the interest to read
> them. I have wished before that real life had them. Mine would be things
> like survived a tour with Parliament Funkadelic and worked for a computer
> company that went bankrupt and managed to last a year in Mississippi.
> Service lines at the base of the right sleeve for each marriage and major
> cohabitation or maybe just each five years of marriage or both.

This could revolutionize dating. It's like wearing your very personal
resume. Oh, I see a gap here - would you care to explain? ROTFL
Maybe you could just roll the whole thing up into a number - like a
credit score.
>
>
> >
> > I feel a T-shirt blitz coming on...
> >
> But wouldn't the T-shirt do just that? I was particularly proud of my "crew"
> t-shirts and tour jackets (and backstage passes). They are old and beat-up
> now, but I still can't throw them away. Of course whether they survive my
> daughter wearing them is a different story.

I understand yours. Your personal history.

But not THEIR T-shirts. Oh no. It's a blatant marketing ploy. There
are only so many 'survivors' but think of the possibilities of having
all those 'co-survivors' who identify in such a personal way. Race for
the cure with groups prancing down the road - 'survivor' surrounded by
her 'co-survivors'. I'd design those co-survivor Ts with a place to
write in the 'survivor's' name with a Sharpie. Can't you just hear
those cash registers ringing already? Brought to you by those
brilliant minds that invented 'grandparents' day', 'sweetest day' & all
the rest.

Fig

Chris Ness wrote:
>
> Of course that makes me of Indian wives having to throw themselves on the
> pyre.
makes me think of. Where did I leave my brain?

Chris Ness wrote:
> Chris Ness wrote:
>>
>> Of course that makes me of Indian wives having to throw themselves on the
>> pyre.
> makes me think of. Where did I leave my brain?

I perfectly what you meant.

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I don't mean to be cruel, but the majority of posts here are from
families/caregivers.My point was/is that what families and caregivers
are being acknowledged and given support.

Forget the name Co- Survivor , there is an issue when more people
touched by cancer and not the person being treated for cancer dominates
a board like this. This article is addressing the issue by providing
support. If you have an issue with the term I would address now with
the people who are using it before it becomes popular.

Are you saying people touch by care, caregivers and families don't need
support?

<akoffman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I don't mean to be cruel, but the majority of posts here are from
> families/caregivers.My point was/is that what families and caregivers
> are being acknowledged and given support.
>
> Forget the name Co- Survivor , there is an issue when more people
> touched by cancer and not the person being treated for cancer dominates
> a board like this. This article is addressing the issue by providing
> support. If you have an issue with the term I would address now with
> the people who are using it before it becomes popular.
>
> Are you saying people touch by care, caregivers and families don't need
> support?
>

May I barf now? I'm sorry, I'm more than a "co-survivor," and my husband
is more than just a "survivor." Wearing a t-shirt saying that we are a
label is an unfair and rather nasty way to try to force people into molds.
We do have t-shirts that we receive each year at our cancer center's retreat
for survivors and their families. We wear them with pride, because we know
that they were put out by people who care for those who are doing their best
to cope with what seems impossible at times.

We get support from our cancer center through their programs and other
survivors, as well as by the good people in this group. We don't need
t-shirts for that.

Pam S.

"tanada" <tanada@earthlink.net> wrote in
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>
> <akoffman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161862964.969804.152180@m7g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...
>> Are you saying people touch by care, caregivers and families don't
>> need support?
>>
>
> May I barf now? I'm sorry, I'm more than a "co-survivor," and my
> husband is more than just a "survivor." Wearing a t-shirt saying that
> we are a label is an unfair and rather nasty way to try to force
> people into molds. We do have t-shirts that we receive each year at
> our cancer center's retreat for survivors and their families. We wear
> them with pride, because we know that they were put out by people who
> care for those who are doing their best to cope with what seems
> impossible at times.
>
> We get support from our cancer center through their programs and other
> survivors, as well as by the good people in this group. We don't need
> t-shirts for that.
>
> Pam S.
>
You said it better than I did, Pam. Sure we need support. We just don't
need to be labeled, t-shirted, marketed to. And that makes most people on
the planet co-survivors because who hasn't been touched by this disease in
some way? Seeing the Komen name, I expect to see this concept marketed for
the Race for the Cure or similar. Shameless ploy to make people feel close
to the cause & give more money. Cynical? Moi?

Fig

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"Figgertoes" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "tanada" <tanada@earthlink.net> wrote in
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>
>>
>> <akoffman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161862964.969804.152180@m7g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...
>>> Are you saying people touch by care, caregivers and families don't
>>> need support?
>>>
>>
>> May I barf now? I'm sorry, I'm more than a "co-survivor," and my
>> husband is more than just a "survivor." Wearing a t-shirt saying that
>> we are a label is an unfair and rather nasty way to try to force
>> people into molds. We do have t-shirts that we receive each year at
>> our cancer center's retreat for survivors and their families. We wear
>> them with pride, because we know that they were put out by people who
>> care for those who are doing their best to cope with what seems
>> impossible at times.
>>
>> We get support from our cancer center through their programs and other
>> survivors, as well as by the good people in this group. We don't need
>> t-shirts for that.
>>
>> Pam S.
>>
> You said it better than I did, Pam. Sure we need support. We just don't
> need to be labeled, t-shirted, marketed to. And that makes most people on
> the planet co-survivors because who hasn't been touched by this disease in
> some way? Seeing the Komen name, I expect to see this concept marketed
> for
> the Race for the Cure or similar. Shameless ploy to make people feel
> close
> to the cause & give more money. Cynical? Moi?
>
> Fig


Fig, did you see the Lung Cancer girls on the Today Show yesterday? I sure
did but was disappointed the show hosts didn't make more of a todo out of
them. Quite a relief from the hot pink stuff I am sick to death of seeing.


Betsy

People like to categorize people, cancer patients, widows, caregivers etc.
In fact this group has categorize people with an interest in supporting
people with cancer this includes all people even persons without a person
presently in the life without cancer. It is alt.support.cancer are you
saying it should be retiled?

Also judging here from the amount of posters who DON'T have cancer (or
Professionally employed to work with cancer patients), that being a
supporter is a very big issue. It seems like to Komen group is trying to
assist them..... How would you suggest how to get the message out?


I agree marketing or making a profit is wrong with people and families who
have an active or previous cancer diagnosis but I believe the Komen group is
non profit...... I think they are trying to assist people through a
difficult time


How to get the message out?

Fig suppose you started a support group for people who have had similar
experience with a spouse who died an untimely death and you would include
people who are living with people who have a illness that is going to cause
an untimely death.
this group is for people who's family members have had a cancer diagnosis
( OR am I being incorrect in grouping cancer patients together), let me
rephrase this a group for people who's family has been touched by a life
threatening illness ...ooops I grouped people together again. Should it
just be a plain old support group, but once again you are putting people
into categories !Once again I ask How would you market the message? Perhaps
you can pen an appropriate name and share it with places like the Komen
Foundation.

"Figgertoes" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "tanada" <tanada@earthlink.net> wrote in
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>
>>
>> <akoffman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161862964.969804.152180@m7g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...
>>> Are you saying people touch by care, caregivers and families don't
>>> need support?
>>>
>>
>> May I barf now? I'm sorry, I'm more than a "co-survivor," and my
>> husband is more than just a "survivor." Wearing a t-shirt saying that
>> we are a label is an unfair and rather nasty way to try to force
>> people into molds. We do have t-shirts that we receive each year at
>> our cancer center's retreat for survivors and their families. We wear
>> them with pride, because we know that they were put out by people who
>> care for those who are doing their best to cope with what seems
>> impossible at times.
>>
>> We get support from our cancer center through their programs and other
>> survivors, as well as by the good people in this group. We don't need
>> t-shirts for that.
>>
>> Pam S.
>>
> You said it better than I did, Pam. Sure we need support. We just don't
> need to be labeled, t-shirted, marketed to. And that makes most people on
> the planet co-survivors because who hasn't been touched by this disease in
> some way? Seeing the Komen name, I expect to see this concept marketed
> for
> the Race for the Cure or similar. Shameless ploy to make people feel
> close
> to the cause & give more money. Cynical? Moi?
>
> Fig
>

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BetsyB

"alex" <alex@noemail.com> wrote in message
news:rPadnRuWW9P4nsjYnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> People like to categorize people, cancer patients, widows, caregivers
> etc. In fact this group has categorize people with an interest in
> supporting people with cancer this includes all people even persons
> without a person presently in the life without cancer. It is
> alt.support.cancer are you saying it should be retiled?
>
> Also judging here from the amount of posters who DON'T have cancer (or
> Professionally employed to work with cancer patients), that being a
> supporter is a very big issue. It seems like to Komen group is trying to
> assist them..... How would you suggest how to get the message out?
>
>
> I agree marketing or making a profit is wrong with people and families
> who have an active or previous cancer diagnosis but I believe the Komen
> group is non profit

I believe in Santa too but that dosen't make it so. Only in my mind. Same
for your beliefs.


....... I think they are trying to assist people through a
> difficult time

Only Breast Cancer Patients.


> How to get the message out?



Our Penny started a good group on he blog and raised more awareness than any
other poster including you and I.

Why do you nag at Fig and J, is there a point you want to make. Try telling
the truth and shoot straight from the shoulder. With tippitoing around and
say what you mean for a change.
It would be a welcome change.

As for renaming this group? Why? It suits us.

Betsy