Laetrile

http://whale.to/cancer/laetrile.html

"JOHN" <john@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> http://whale.to/cancer/laetrilekills.html
>

Strange how you decry the use of real medicine and encourage people to
ingest cyanide and slowly poison themseves:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16175068

"We describe a case of severe cyanide poisoning arising from amygdalin, a
putative vitamin supplement. A 32-year-old woman arrived in the emergency
department by ambulance unresponsive, shocked and with fixed dilated pupils.
She was hypothermic and tachycardic but was breathing spontaneously. Despite
her age, she had documented breast cancer with hepatic metastases.
Conventional treatment having failed, she only took 'vitamin supplements'
bought on the Internet, her father said. Over the next 6 h she required
mechanical ventilation and increasing doses of inotropes. Diabetes insipidus
developed. As the appropriateness of further treatment was considered, a
relative arrived with her medications including 'vitamin B 17' or amygdalin.
An Internet search identified this as a debunked cancer remedy and cyanogen.
"

On Mar 19, 7:16*am, "HCN" <h...@nospam.com> wrote:
> "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8q2dncfsLuPWYkLanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> >http://whale.to/cancer/laetrilekills.html
>
> Strange how you decry the use of real medicine and encourage people to
> ingest cyanide and slowly poison themseves:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16175068
>
> "We describe a case of severe cyanide poisoning arising from amygdalin, a
> putative vitamin supplement. A 32-year-old woman arrived in the emergency
> department by ambulance unresponsive, shocked and with fixed dilated pupils.
> She was hypothermic and tachycardic but was breathing spontaneously. Despite
> her age, she had documented breast cancer with hepatic metastases.
> Conventional treatment having failed, she only took 'vitamin supplements'
> bought on the Internet, her father said. Over the next 6 h she required
> mechanical ventilation and increasing doses of inotropes. Diabetes insipidus
> developed. As the appropriateness of further treatment was considered, a
> relative arrived with her medications including 'vitamin B 17' or amygdalin.
> An Internet search identified this as a debunked cancer remedy and cyanogen.
> "



Excellent point! We often see Dr. Cee's bi-line stating you can't
heal the world with poison and pus. But, Laetrile is an example that
the alternative world certainly has tried!

"Myrl" <wisgroup_leader@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>Excellent point! We often see Dr. Cee's bi-line stating you can't
>heal the world with poison and pus. But, Laetrile is an example that
>the alternative world certainly has tried!

You should know

Adverse Drug Reaction deaths USA: 106,000 every year

On Mar 19, 10:22*am, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 19, 7:16*am, "HCN" <h...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:8q2dncfsLuPWYkLanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > >http://whale.to/cancer/laetrilekills.html
>
> > Strange how you decry the use of real medicine and encourage people to
> > ingest cyanide and slowly poison themseves:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16175068
>
> > "We describe a case of severe cyanide poisoning arising from amygdalin, a
> > putative vitamin supplement. A 32-year-old woman arrived in the emergency
> > department by ambulance unresponsive, shocked and with fixed dilated pupils.
> > She was hypothermic and tachycardic but was breathing spontaneously. Despite
> > her age, she had documented breast cancer with hepatic metastases.
> > Conventional treatment having failed, she only took 'vitamin supplements'
> > bought on the Internet, her father said. Over the next 6 h she required
> > mechanical ventilation and increasing doses of inotropes. Diabetes insipidus
> > developed. As the appropriateness of further treatment was considered, a
> > relative arrived with her medications including 'vitamin B 17' or amygdalin.
> > An Internet search identified this as a debunked cancer remedy and cyanogen.
> > "
>
> Excellent point! *We often see Dr. Cee's bi-line stating you can't
> heal the world with poison and pus. *But, Laetrile is an example that
> the alternative world certainly has tried!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Laetrile is not a pus or poison. It is a naturally occuring
ingredient of normal human foodstuffs, and may well be a vitamin.

However, using your "the dose makes the poison" argument, if the woman
had purified laetrile she had a drug and not a natural foodstuff. She
may well have used the wrong dose. However, the mere presence of a
bottle of laetrile does not prove that laetrile caused the womans
condition any more that an infant dying with in hours of a vaccine
shot means that the vaccine killed the infant. That is your usual
logic, correct?

DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.

On Mar 19, 1:02*pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
> On Mar 19, 10:22*am, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 19, 7:16*am, "HCN" <h...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > > "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:8q2dncfsLuPWYkLanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > > >http://whale.to/cancer/laetrilekills.html
>
> > > Strange how you decry the use of real medicine and encourage people to
> > > ingest cyanide and slowly poison themseves:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16175068
>
> > > "We describe a case of severe cyanide poisoning arising from amygdalin, a
> > > putative vitamin supplement. A 32-year-old woman arrived in the emergency
> > > department by ambulance unresponsive, shocked and with fixed dilated pupils.
> > > She was hypothermic and tachycardic but was breathing spontaneously. Despite
> > > her age, she had documented breast cancer with hepatic metastases.
> > > Conventional treatment having failed, she only took 'vitamin supplements'
> > > bought on the Internet, her father said. Over the next 6 h she required
> > > mechanical ventilation and increasing doses of inotropes. Diabetes insipidus
> > > developed. As the appropriateness of further treatment was considered,a
> > > relative arrived with her medications including 'vitamin B 17' or amygdalin.
> > > An Internet search identified this as a debunked cancer remedy and cyanogen.
> > > "
>
> > Excellent point! *We often see Dr. Cee's bi-line stating you can't
> > heal the world with poison and pus. *But, Laetrile is an example that
> > the alternative world certainly has tried!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Laetrile is not a pus or poison. *It is a naturally occuring
> ingredient of normal human foodstuffs, and may well be a vitamin.

"...may well be a vitamin"? What the hell kind of talk is that? A
vitamin has to meet two criteria:

A. Essential for human life
B. Can't be synthesized in sufficient quantities.

Laetrile is not essential. It is quite rightly classified as a
poison.

I guess the classes on Uranus taught poisons are vitamins and
medicines are pus. Away from Uranus, that isn't true.


>
> However, using your "the dose makes the poison" argument, if the woman
> had purified laetrile she had a drug and not a natural foodstuff. *She
> may well have used the wrong dose. *However, the mere presence of a
> bottle of laetrile does not prove that laetrile caused the womans
> condition any more that an infant dying with in hours of a vaccine
> shot means that the vaccine killed the infant. *That is your usual
> logic, correct?
>
> DrCee
> You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

In message <527ab562-714f-4180-938c-effddc693723@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, drceephd@insightbb.com wrote:

> Laetrile is not a pus or poison. *It is a naturally occuring
> ingredient of normal human foodstuffs, and may well be a vitamin.

So are formaldehyde and Aluminum. Are you now in favor
of them as a result?

--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+

On Mar 19, 8:21*pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> In message <527ab562-714f-4180-938c-effddc693...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
>
> > Laetrile is not a pus or poison. *It is a naturally occuring
> > ingredient of normal human foodstuffs, and may well be a vitamin.
>
> So are formaldehyde and Aluminum. *Are you now in favor
> of them as a result?
>
> --
> | The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
> | * *The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" * *|
> +---------- D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> ----------+

How about some examples of formaldehyde being a normal and natural
component of human foodstuff. Please do the same for aluminum,
especially since pure aluminum does not exist, at least on the earth,
maybe on Uranus.

DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons.

TND/aka/"HCN" <hcn@nospam.com> wrote
> "JOHN" <john@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:8q2dncfsLuPWYkLanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>> http://whale.to/cancer/laetrilekills.html
>>
>
> Strange how you decry the use of real medicine and encourage people to
> ingest cyanide and slowly poison themseves:
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16175068

She was hypothermic and tachycardic but was breathing spontaneously. Despite
her age, she had documented breast cancer with hepatic metastases.
Conventional treatment having failed.


>
> "We describe a case of severe cyanide poisoning arising from amygdalin, a
> putative vitamin supplement. A 32-year-old woman arrived in the emergency
> department by ambulance unresponsive, shocked and with fixed dilated
> pupils. She was hypothermic and tachycardic but was breathing
> spontaneously. Despite her age, she had documented breast cancer with
> hepatic metastases. Conventional treatment having failed, she only took
> 'vitamin supplements' bought on the Internet, her father said. Over the
> next 6 h she required mechanical ventilation and increasing doses of
> inotropes. Diabetes insipidus developed. As the appropriateness of further
> treatment was considered, a relative arrived with her medications
> including 'vitamin B 17' or amygdalin. An Internet search identified this
> as a debunked cancer remedy and cyanogen.

LOL! Internet search identified that a debunked cancer remedy and cyanogen.

Now there is some science.

Debunked by a *gang*!
> "
>

"Myrl" <wisgroup_leader@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 19, 7:16 am, "HCN" <h...@nospam.com> wrote:
> "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8q2dncfsLuPWYkLanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>
http://whale.to/cancer/laetrilekills.html
>
> Strange how you decry the use of real medicine and encourage people to
> ingest cyanide and slowly poison
> themseves:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16175068
>
> "We describe a case of severe cyanide poisoning arising from amygdalin, a
> putative vitamin supplement. A 32-year-old woman arrived in the emergency
> department by ambulance unresponsive, shocked and with fixed dilated
> pupils.
> She was hypothermic and tachycardic but was breathing spontaneously.
> Despite
> her age, she had documented breast cancer with hepatic metastases.
> Conventional treatment having failed, she only took 'vitamin supplements'
> bought on the Internet, her father said. Over the next 6 h she required
> mechanical ventilation and increasing doses of inotropes. Diabetes
> insipidus
> developed. As the appropriateness of further treatment was considered, a
> relative arrived with her medications including 'vitamin B 17' or
> amygdalin.
> An Internet search identified this as a debunked cancer remedy and
> cyanogen.
> "



Excellent point!

lol, From another *gang member*.....

http://www.worldwithoutcancer.org.uk/analysis13.html

http://www.cancertutor.com/WarBetween/War_Evidence.html

In article <eo2dnZ37cNcusHzanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com>,
JOHN <john@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>"Myrl" <wisgroup_leader@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:8d951771-56c4-4307-b21d-c2c570f844f8@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>Excellent point! We often see Dr. Cee's bi-line stating you can't
>>heal the world with poison and pus. But, Laetrile is an example that
>>the alternative world certainly has tried!
>
>You should know
>
>Adverse Drug Reaction deaths USA: 106,000 every year

The source of this number?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?"
-- Bill Maher

"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> In article <eo2dnZ37cNcusHzanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com>,
> JOHN <john@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Myrl" <wisgroup_leader@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:8d951771-56c4-4307-b21d-c2c570f844f8@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>Excellent point! We often see Dr. Cee's bi-line stating you can't
>>>heal the world with poison and pus. But, Laetrile is an example that
>>>the alternative world certainly has tried!
>>
>>You should know
>>
>>Adverse Drug Reaction deaths USA: 106,000 every year
>
> The source of this number?

JAMA.

Try http://www.google.com/

>
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
> These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
> "Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down
> on?"
> -- Bill Maher
>
>

the pharma gang
http://whale.to/a/posse.html

In message <4372f090-a1a7-4d46-b036-5e6b5e50f25e@n77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, drceephd@insightbb.com wrote:

> On Mar 19, 8:21*pm, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>> In message <527ab562-714f-4180-938c-effddc693...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
>>
>> > Laetrile is not a pus or poison. *It is a naturally occuring
>> > ingredient of normal human foodstuffs, and may well be a vitamin.
>>
>> So are formaldehyde and Aluminum. *Are you now in favor
>> of them as a result?

> How about some examples of formaldehyde being a normal and natural
> component of human foodstuff. Please do the same for aluminum,
> especially since pure aluminum does not exist, at least on the earth,
> maybe on Uranus.

Who said pure aluminum? I use the term in the same sense
that you do when ranting about vaccines.

Formaldehyde in foods?
Some notables that are popular in your orthopathic circles:
beetroot (35 mg/kg)
pears (38-60 mg/kg)
apples (6-22 mg/kg)
kohlrabi (31 mg/kg)
Most of the original source articles are pay-to-read, but
some summary data is here:
http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/progra..._fa_02_09.html

As one observer commented, these foods would be illegal if used
as building materials.

Same on primary sources for aluminum, but here's one:
vegetables (0.17-30 mg/kg)
olive oil (19.5-70 mg/kg)
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...2000.tb15980.x

Some herbs (e.g. bay, oregano, and thyme) accumulate aluminum
at up to 500 mg/kg.

That, of course, is for natural foods and excludes those
prepared with alum such as pickles.

--
| The most important exclamation in science isn't "Eureka!" |
| The most important exclamation is "What the BLEEP?" |
+---------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

http://www.worldwithoutcancer.org.uk/analysis13.html

http://www.cancertutor.com/WarBetween/War_Evidence.html

The One True Zhen Jue wrote:

> On Mar 19, 1:02 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
> > On Mar 19, 10:22 am, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Mar 19, 7:16 am, "HCN" <h...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > >news:8q2dncfsLuPWYkLanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
> >
> > > > >http://whale.to/cancer/laetrilekills.html
> >
> > > > Strange how you decry the use of real medicine and encourage people to
> > > > ingest cyanide and slowly poison themseves:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16175068
> >
> > > > "We describe a case of severe cyanide poisoning arising from amygdalin, a
> > > > putative vitamin supplement. A 32-year-old woman arrived in the emergency
> > > > department by ambulance unresponsive, shocked and with fixed dilated pupils.
> > > > She was hypothermic and tachycardic but was breathing spontaneously. Despite
> > > > her age, she had documented breast cancer with hepatic metastases.
> > > > Conventional treatment having failed, she only took 'vitamin supplements'
> > > > bought on the Internet, her father said. Over the next 6 h she required
> > > > mechanical ventilation and increasing doses of inotropes. Diabetes insipidus
> > > > developed. As the appropriateness of further treatment was considered, a
> > > > relative arrived with her medications including 'vitamin B 17' or amygdalin.
> > > > An Internet search identified this as a debunked cancer remedy and cyanogen.
> > > > "
> >
> > > Excellent point! We often see Dr. Cee's bi-line stating you can't
> > > heal the world with poison and pus. But, Laetrile is an example that
> > > the alternative world certainly has tried!- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > Laetrile is not a pus or poison. It is a naturally occuring
> > ingredient of normal human foodstuffs, and may well be a vitamin.
>
> "...may well be a vitamin"? What the hell kind of talk is that? A
> vitamin has to meet two criteria:
>
> A. Essential for human life
> B. Can't be synthesized in sufficient quantities.
>
> Laetrile is not essential. It is quite rightly classified as a
> poison.
>
> I guess the classes on Uranus taught poisons are vitamins and
> medicines are pus. Away from Uranus, that isn't true.

Sounds useless at both a safe dose and toxic doses.
http://caonline.amcancersoc.org/cgi/reprint/41/3/187
J

http://whale.to/c/quotes1.html

"JOHN" <john@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> http://whale.to/c/quotes1.html
>

L:aetrile does not even work well enough to sustain a high profile in
alternative cancer practice. You will find hardly any alternative cancer
clinics emphasizing its use,. although it is being promoted a bit more now
than it was ten years ago, after some negative conventional studies, a
failed search for definitely cured patients, and the emergence of shark
cartilage and Hulda Clark as the cancer quackery du jour resulted in its
almost complete disappearance off the alternative radar.. .

There are numerous misrepresentation of the facts here < on a whaleto
site? -- who'd have thought it? :-) > . For example, Manner could not get
any effect of Laetrile on mouse mammary tumors when used alone (as Suguira
also found if you should get around to reading Ralph Moss's account
thoroughly). He only got results when he also injected the lumps with
powerful proteolysis enzymes.

Binzel is a very unreliable source -- I refer to some of the testimonials he
offers in his book here
http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/canc...estimonial.htm

PM

"Peter Moran" <pmoran@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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> "JOHN" <john@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:FLydncm9Y5k5fnvaRVnytAA@bt.com...
>> http://whale.to/c/quotes1.html
>>
>
> L:aetrile does not even work well enough to sustain a high profile in
> alternative cancer practice. You will find hardly any alternative
> cancer

> thoroughly). He only got results when he also injected the lumps with
> powerful proteolysis enzymes.

Make up your mind

"Available scientific evidence does not support claims that Laetrile is
effective in treating cancer or any other disease. "--ACS