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Old 05-20-2007, 01:34 PM
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The following is an email my friend sent me, more about her husband's
condition...keep in mind that he hasn't had a biopsy just the CT scan. Isn't
two months a bit long to wait to see what's going on with him? Can they
determine from a CT scan if a cancer is fast-growing or not?

Thanks,
Judy



The doctor said that lesions over 5mm are usually cancerous and those under
5mm are usually benign. Randall's are 3mm and 4mm at this point. He also
said that noncalcified lesions are more likely cancerous than calcified
lesions, and Randall has one of each. The most pressing issue right now is
the emphysema that showed up on the cat scan. The doctor told him that
within 1-2 years he will be on oxygen if he does not stop smoking now. He
started him on Chantix, and he goes back in a couple of months for another
cat scan to monitor the growth, if any, of the two lesions. If there is any
growth at all, they will do what they need to do then. Hopefully by then, he
will be off the cigarettes.


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Old 05-21-2007, 11:47 AM
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"Giuditta" <jmarrs@myspeedworks.com> wrote in message
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> The following is an email my friend sent me, more about her husband's
> condition...keep in mind that he hasn't had a biopsy just the CT scan.
> Isn't two months a bit long to wait to see what's going on with him? Can
> they determine from a CT scan if a cancer is fast-growing or not?
>




No, with nodules that small 2 months is probably entirely appropriate. The
doubling rate for most lung cancers is between 30-365 days. Doubling under
30 days or over 365 days is usually benign. So, if he goes back and they've
grown in 60 days, I'll bet they do a PET scan. But if he goes back and they
haven't changed in size, they'll do yet another CT in a few more months to
"watch" them.

The most important thing for your friend's hubby to do is stop smoking. If
he does this, he will be a better candidate for whatever measures might need
to be taken later on if he has cancer or emphysema. I smoked for 27 years,
and quit after the first week on Chantix. It's hard, but that's what he has
to do if he wants to live. Your friend should also be assured that her
husband's nodules and his swollen lymph node are VERY small. My 14mm lung
nodule is still considered VERY small and most likely 100% curable if
cancerous with no metastases. (Pet scan shows no other suspect areas)

From the information presented, your friend's hubby probably doesn't have
cancer, and if he does, it's likely very early and very treatable. He needs
to stop smoking now.


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Old 05-21-2007, 11:47 AM
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"Steven Vaughan" <srv@doubletrouble.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Giuditta" <jmarrs@myspeedworks.com> wrote in message
> news:gOW3i.47$Ia5.411@eagle.america.net...
>> The following is an email my friend sent me, more about her husband's
>> condition...keep in mind that he hasn't had a biopsy just the CT scan.
>> Isn't two months a bit long to wait to see what's going on with him? Can
>> they determine from a CT scan if a cancer is fast-growing or not?
>>

>
>
>
> No, with nodules that small 2 months is probably entirely appropriate. The
> doubling rate for most lung cancers is between 30-365 days. Doubling under
> 30 days or over 365 days is usually benign. So, if he goes back and
> they've grown in 60 days, I'll bet they do a PET scan. But if he goes back
> and they haven't changed in size, they'll do yet another CT in a few more
> months to "watch" them.
>


No wonder the health care system is on its uppers..............

> The most important thing for your friend's hubby to do is stop smoking. If
> he does this, he will be a better candidate for whatever measures might
> need to be taken later on if he has cancer or emphysema. I smoked for 27
> years, and quit after the first week on Chantix. It's hard, but that's
> what he has to do if he wants to live. Your friend should also be assured
> that her husband's nodules and his swollen lymph node are VERY small. My
> 14mm lung nodule is still considered VERY small and most likely 100%
> curable if cancerous with no metastases. (Pet scan shows no other suspect
> areas)
>


Where on earth did those figures come from?

> From the information presented, your friend's hubby probably doesn't have
> cancer, and if he does, it's likely very early and very treatable. He
> needs to stop smoking now.
>


At last, some sense.


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Old 05-21-2007, 11:47 AM
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>> The most important thing for your friend's hubby to do is stop smoking.
>> If
>> he does this, he will be a better candidate for whatever measures might
>> need to be taken later on if he has cancer or emphysema. I smoked for 27
>> years, and quit after the first week on Chantix. It's hard, but that's
>> what he has to do if he wants to live. Your friend should also be assured
>> that her husband's nodules and his swollen lymph node are VERY small. My
>> 14mm lung nodule is still considered VERY small and most likely 100%
>> curable if cancerous with no metastases. (Pet scan shows no other suspect
>> areas)
>>

>
> Where on earth did those figures come from?



Dr. Hon Chi Suen, Cardio-Thoracic Surgeon. He performed my Mediastinoscopy
and Brochoscopy last month.




>
>> From the information presented, your friend's hubby probably doesn't have
>> cancer, and if he does, it's likely very early and very treatable. He
>> needs to stop smoking now.
>>

>
> At last, some sense.




Care to enlighten us on what you're talking about?


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Old 05-21-2007, 11:06 PM
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"Steven Vaughan" <srv@doubletrouble.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Giuditta" <jmarrs@myspeedworks.com> wrote in message
> news:gOW3i.47$Ia5.411@eagle.america.net...
>> The following is an email my friend sent me, more about her husband's
>> condition...keep in mind that he hasn't had a biopsy just the CT scan.
>> Isn't two months a bit long to wait to see what's going on with him? Can
>> they determine from a CT scan if a cancer is fast-growing or not?
>>

>
>
>
> No, with nodules that small 2 months is probably entirely appropriate. The
> doubling rate for most lung cancers is between 30-365 days. Doubling under
> 30 days or over 365 days is usually benign. So, if he goes back and
> they've grown in 60 days, I'll bet they do a PET scan. But if he goes back
> and they haven't changed in size, they'll do yet another CT in a few more
> months to "watch" them.
>
> The most important thing for your friend's hubby to do is stop smoking. If
> he does this, he will be a better candidate for whatever measures might
> need to be taken later on if he has cancer or emphysema. I smoked for 27
> years, and quit after the first week on Chantix. It's hard, but that's
> what he has to do if he wants to live. Your friend should also be assured
> that her husband's nodules and his swollen lymph node are VERY small. My
> 14mm lung nodule is still considered VERY small and most likely 100%
> curable if cancerous with no metastases. (Pet scan shows no other suspect
> areas)
>
> From the information presented, your friend's hubby probably doesn't have
> cancer, and if he does, it's likely very early and very treatable. He
> needs to stop smoking now.

That's a big relief! He is starting medication to quit smoking, and I am
sure that he will. Thank you so much for the info.

Have a great day!
Judy


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Old 05-21-2007, 11:06 PM
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"Steven Vaughan" <srv@doubletrouble.com> wrote in message
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>>> The most important thing for your friend's hubby to do is stop smoking.
>>> If
>>> he does this, he will be a better candidate for whatever measures might
>>> need to be taken later on if he has cancer or emphysema. I smoked for 27
>>> years, and quit after the first week on Chantix. It's hard, but that's
>>> what he has to do if he wants to live. Your friend should also be
>>> assured that her husband's nodules and his swollen lymph node are VERY
>>> small. My 14mm lung nodule is still considered VERY small and most
>>> likely 100% curable if cancerous with no metastases. (Pet scan shows no
>>> other suspect areas)
>>>

>>
>> Where on earth did those figures come from?

>
>
> Dr. Hon Chi Suen, Cardio-Thoracic Surgeon. He performed my Mediastinoscopy
> and Brochoscopy last month.
>
>


Wel, if you heard him right, he's making the figures up.

>
>
>>
>>> From the information presented, your friend's hubby probably doesn't
>>> have cancer, and if he does, it's likely very early and very treatable.
>>> He needs to stop smoking now.
>>>

>>
>> At last, some sense.

>
>
>
> Care to enlighten us on what you're talking about?
>


The last paragraph of your post was sensible. The rest wasn't


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Old 05-21-2007, 11:06 PM
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Steph wrote:

> "Steven Vaughan" <srv@doubletrouble.com> wrote in message
> [reinserted.
> >>> No, with nodules that small 2 months is probably entirely appropriate. The

>
> >>> doubling rate for most lung cancers is between 30-365 days. Doubling under

>
> >>> 30 days or over 365 days is usually benign. So, if he goes back and

> they've
> >>> grown in 60 days, I'll bet they do a PET scan. But if he goes back and

> they
> >>> haven't changed in size, they'll do yet another CT in a few more months to

>
> >>> watch" them. [reinserted]
> >>> The most important thing for your friend's hubby to do is stop smoking.
> >>> If
> >>> he does this, he will be a better candidate for whatever measures might
> >>> need to be taken later on if he has cancer or emphysema. I smoked for 27
> >>> years, and quit after the first week on Chantix. It's hard, but that's
> >>> what he has to do if he wants to live. Your friend should also be
> >>> assured that her husband's nodules and his swollen lymph node are VERY
> >>> small. My 14mm lung nodule is still considered VERY small and most
> >>> likely 100% curable if cancerous with no metastases. (Pet scan shows no
> >>> other suspect areas)
> >>>
> >> Where on earth did those figures come from?

> >
> > Dr. Hon Chi Suen, Cardio-Thoracic Surgeon. He performed my Mediastinoscopy
> > and Brochoscopy last month.
> >

> Wel, if you heard him right, he's making the figures up.
>
> >>> From the information presented, your friend's hubby probably doesn't
> >>> have cancer, and if he does, it's likely very early and very treatable.
> >>> He needs to stop smoking now.
> >>>
> >>
> >> At last, some sense.

> >
> > Care to enlighten us on what you're talking about?

>
> The last paragraph of your post was sensible. The rest wasn't


I guess Cardio-Thoracic Surgeons need (to read) your book as well.
How's that coming along, Steph?
Then you could reply "read Chapter or Page XX".
J

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Old 05-21-2007, 11:06 PM
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>> Care to enlighten us on what you're talking about?
>>

>
> The last paragraph of your post was sensible. The rest wasn't



Please enlighten me on what was not sensible. Please be specific. If there
is something I need to know, I would appreciate it if you would tell me.


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Old 05-22-2007, 10:20 PM
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"Steven Vaughan" <srv@doubletrouble.com> wrote in message
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>>> Care to enlighten us on what you're talking about?
>>>

>>
>> The last paragraph of your post was sensible. The rest wasn't

>
>
> Please enlighten me on what was not sensible. Please be specific. If there
> is something I need to know, I would appreciate it if you would tell me.
>


Go back and read your own posts.
Dissect them analytically, and throw away any opinion not supported by the
data


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Old 05-22-2007, 10:20 PM
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>> Please enlighten me on what was not sensible. Please be specific. If
>> there
>> is something I need to know, I would appreciate it if you would tell me.
>>

>
> Go back and read your own posts.
> Dissect them analytically, and throw away any opinion not supported by the
> data




Well, either the data the that my Pulmonologist and my Cardiothoracic
Surgeon have both provided is wrong, as well as everything I've been able to
find on the subject of my lung nodule and lymph node in written form, or it
is spot on.

If you have valuable information that could help me in my own care, would
you care to share it instead of speaking in riddles? Thanks so much.


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Old 05-22-2007, 10:20 PM
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"Steven Vaughan" <srv@doubletrouble.com> wrote in message
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>
>>> Please enlighten me on what was not sensible. Please be specific. If
>>> there
>>> is something I need to know, I would appreciate it if you would tell me.
>>>

>>
>> Go back and read your own posts.
>> Dissect them analytically, and throw away any opinion not supported by
>> the data

>
>
>
> Well, either the data the that my Pulmonologist and my Cardiothoracic
> Surgeon have both provided is wrong, as well as everything I've been able
> to find on the subject of my lung nodule and lymph node in written form,
> or it is spot on.
>
> If you have valuable information that could help me in my own care, would
> you care to share it instead of speaking in riddles? Thanks so much.
>


Look up doubling times and the cure rate for T1 N0 nsclc for a start


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Old 05-22-2007, 10:20 PM
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>> Well, either the data the that my Pulmonologist and my Cardiothoracic
>> Surgeon have both provided is wrong, as well as everything I've been able
>> to find on the subject of my lung nodule and lymph node in written form,
>> or it is spot on.
>>
>> If you have valuable information that could help me in my own care, would
>> you care to share it instead of speaking in riddles? Thanks so much.
>>

>
> Look up doubling times and the cure rate for T1 N0 nsclc for a start




Doubling times are between 30 and 365 days in THE MAJORITY of cases. Less
than 30, or more than 365 days are AN INDICATION of being benign.

"Cure rate" does not take into account one's age, etc. When this is factored
in, my asymptomatic 14mm spiculated nodule (IF it is T1 N0 nsclc) in the
right upper lobe is very close to 100% curable (5 yr survival rate) because
of my health, age (42), and where it is located. They ruled out lymphoma
last month with mediastinoscopy- it's inflammation. The nodule is removable
with a wedge resection, using a minimally invasive (2" incision) procedure
invented by my Cardio-thoracic surgeon, Dr Hon Chi Suen.

"Cure rates" are falsely low for all types of lung cancer since the median
age when diagnosed is about 70 years of age, when many people will die of
other causes within 5 years anyway. If you are a younger person, and look at
the stats for people your own age, the "cure rate" is dramatically higher
than published percentages, which do not take age into account.

Could I have a recurrence of the same type of cancer later on? Sure. Does
that mean I should just "give up" as you seem to be suggesting? No way.

Now, if you're speaking of the OP's "friend's husband", from initial
information, the man probably has 2 very small granulomas (3mm & 4mm) and a
VERY SLIGHTLY enlarged lymph node (1 cm), which are no reason to start
buying burial plots just yet. Both "tumors" are not only VERY common, but
are also smaller than a pea. The lymph node is so slightly enlarged I'm
surprised they even mentioned it to him. She never did say whether they were
round, lobulated, or spiculated.

I'm curious- My surgeon was educated at Harvard Medical School, and did his
surgical residencies at Harvard Beth Israel and Massachusetts General, and
trains Cardio-thoracic surgical residents at Washington University (Barnes
Hospital). Which University did you attend? Where did you do your surgical
residency? And how many surgical techniques have you invented to help those
suffering from disease? What is your "cure rate"?



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Old 05-23-2007, 04:59 AM
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She never did say whether they were
round, lobulated, or spiculated.


Hi Steven!

She didn't say anything about the shape of the nodules. If I hear anything
else, I'll let you know. Thanks...and, no, don't give up. I have met so may
people through this who have outlived their prognosis by years.

One friend's prognosis was six months, and he's still here after five years
and been on clinical studies recently. In June he will be given RAD. Have
you ever heard of it?

He looks great, still works and his cancer is quite extensive. Another
friend has tumors on her thyroid, and after two rounds of chemo, the onc.
can't see them at all...he was trying to shrink them for surgery, but now he
says he doesn't think she'll even need the surgery at all...

So, you just never know do ya...

Ciao!
Judy


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Old 05-23-2007, 04:59 AM
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"Steven Vaughan" <srv@doubletrouble.com> wrote in message
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>>> Well, either the data the that my Pulmonologist and my Cardiothoracic
>>> Surgeon have both provided is wrong, as well as everything I've been
>>> able to find on the subject of my lung nodule and lymph node in written
>>> form, or it is spot on.
>>>
>>> If you have valuable information that could help me in my own care,
>>> would you care to share it instead of speaking in riddles? Thanks so
>>> much.
>>>

>>
>> Look up doubling times and the cure rate for T1 N0 nsclc for a start

>
>
>
> Doubling times are between 30 and 365 days in THE MAJORITY of cases. Less
> than 30, or more than 365 days are AN INDICATION of being benign.
>
> "Cure rate" does not take into account one's age, etc. When this is
> factored in, my asymptomatic 14mm spiculated nodule (IF it is T1 N0 nsclc)
> in the right upper lobe is very close to 100% curable (5 yr survival rate)
> because of my health, age (42), and where it is located. They ruled out
> lymphoma last month with mediastinoscopy- it's inflammation. The nodule is
> removable with a wedge resection, using a minimally invasive (2" incision)
> procedure invented by my Cardio-thoracic surgeon, Dr Hon Chi Suen.
>
> "Cure rates" are falsely low for all types of lung cancer since the median
> age when diagnosed is about 70 years of age, when many people will die of
> other causes within 5 years anyway. If you are a younger person, and look
> at the stats for people your own age, the "cure rate" is dramatically
> higher than published percentages, which do not take age into account.
>
> Could I have a recurrence of the same type of cancer later on? Sure. Does
> that mean I should just "give up" as you seem to be suggesting? No way.
>
> Now, if you're speaking of the OP's "friend's husband", from initial
> information, the man probably has 2 very small granulomas (3mm & 4mm) and
> a VERY SLIGHTLY enlarged lymph node (1 cm), which are no reason to start
> buying burial plots just yet. Both "tumors" are not only VERY common, but
> are also smaller than a pea. The lymph node is so slightly enlarged I'm
> surprised they even mentioned it to him. She never did say whether they
> were round, lobulated, or spiculated.
>
> I'm curious- My surgeon was educated at Harvard Medical School, and did
> his surgical residencies at Harvard Beth Israel and Massachusetts General,
> and trains Cardio-thoracic surgical residents at Washington University
> (Barnes Hospital). Which University did you attend? Where did you do your
> surgical residency? And how many surgical techniques have you invented to
> help those suffering from disease? What is your "cure rate"?
>


I'm sure you'll be very happy with him.
I'm not a surgeon, I'm an oncologist, and I'm not getting into a pissing
contest with him because of you. However, I do know what I'm talking about,
but you clearly know better


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Old 05-23-2007, 04:59 AM
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>> I'm curious- My surgeon was educated at Harvard Medical School, and did
>> his surgical residencies at Harvard Beth Israel and Massachusetts
>> General, and trains Cardio-thoracic surgical residents at Washington
>> University (Barnes Hospital). Which University did you attend? Where did
>> you do your surgical residency? And how many surgical techniques have you
>> invented to help those suffering from disease? What is your "cure rate"?
>>

>
> I'm sure you'll be very happy with him.
> I'm not a surgeon, I'm an oncologist, and I'm not getting into a pissing
> contest with him because of you. However, I do know what I'm talking
> about, but you clearly know better



You've never offered any information. None. Nada. Sure would be NICE if an
oncologist piped in and offered opinions....

The only thing you've done is question my info. If you were truly here to
help, you would have provided info for me to peruse. You are still welcome
to do so. What are you waiting for?


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Old 05-23-2007, 04:59 AM
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"Steven Vaughan" <srv@doubletrouble.com> wrote in message
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>>> I'm curious- My surgeon was educated at Harvard Medical School, and did
>>> his surgical residencies at Harvard Beth Israel and Massachusetts
>>> General, and trains Cardio-thoracic surgical residents at Washington
>>> University (Barnes Hospital). Which University did you attend? Where did
>>> you do your surgical residency? And how many surgical techniques have
>>> you invented to help those suffering from disease? What is your "cure
>>> rate"?
>>>

>>
>> I'm sure you'll be very happy with him.
>> I'm not a surgeon, I'm an oncologist, and I'm not getting into a pissing
>> contest with him because of you. However, I do know what I'm talking
>> about, but you clearly know better

>
>
> You've never offered any information. None. Nada. Sure would be NICE if an
> oncologist piped in and offered opinions....
>
> The only thing you've done is question my info. If you were truly here to
> help, you would have provided info for me to peruse. You are still welcome
> to do so. What are you waiting for?
>
>


You chimed in with authoritative statements advising someone else posting
here. Statements about how many CT scans and PET scans were appropriate. I
was simply pointing out the error of your ways, and the profligate stupidity
of the US system at its worst.

If you don't like it, ignore me. I'm sorry I bothered


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Old 05-23-2007, 03:13 PM
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> You chimed in with authoritative statements advising someone else posting
> here. Statements about how many CT scans and PET scans were appropriate. I
> was simply pointing out the error of your ways, and the profligate
> stupidity of the US system at its worst.
>
> If you don't like it, ignore me. I'm sorry I bothered




I offered my opinion, as requested. My considered opinion is based on my own
very recent, ongoing experience with very similar physical characteristics
as the OP's person in question. Of course one size doesn't fit all, but I
believe I conveyed the fact that a pair of 3 and 4mm pulmonary nodules are
not necessarily the end of the world. The person in question is under a
doctor's care, and the doctor has apparently ordered follow-up CT.

What information could you provide the OP? Or me, for that matter? I would
think that an oncologist would at least be able to offer some general
information, given the limited information presented.

You speak in riddles, and don't really give any information. Is this how
you treat patients? I sure hope not.

I ask again- Please provide us (potential cancer patients) with any
information that might be helpful given the information yoyu have thus far.
Correct any data that is erroneous. I'm ASKING you to do this. Nicely, I
think. I've said "please" numerous times.


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Old 05-23-2007, 03:13 PM
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"Steven Vaughan" <srv@doubletrouble.com> wrote in message
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>> You chimed in with authoritative statements advising someone else posting
>> here. Statements about how many CT scans and PET scans were appropriate.
>> I was simply pointing out the error of your ways, and the profligate
>> stupidity of the US system at its worst.
>>
>> If you don't like it, ignore me. I'm sorry I bothered

>
>
>
> I offered my opinion, as requested. My considered opinion is based on my
> own very recent, ongoing experience with very similar physical
> characteristics as the OP's person in question. Of course one size doesn't
> fit all, but I believe I conveyed the fact that a pair of 3 and 4mm
> pulmonary nodules are not necessarily the end of the world. The person in
> question is under a doctor's care, and the doctor has apparently ordered
> follow-up CT.
>
> What information could you provide the OP? Or me, for that matter? I would
> think that an oncologist would at least be able to offer some general
> information, given the limited information presented.
>
> You speak in riddles, and don't really give any information. Is this how
> you treat patients? I sure hope not.
>
> I ask again- Please provide us (potential cancer patients) with any
> information that might be helpful given the information yoyu have thus
> far. Correct any data that is erroneous. I'm ASKING you to do this.
> Nicely, I think. I've said "please" numerous times.
>


No, you certainly did not provide a useful opinion
I will say this:
Small pulmonary nodules are common, and usually benign
Having CT scans and PET scans for no good reason is stupid
Exrtrapolating your personal experience is dangerous
Not everyone lives in the USA


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Old 05-23-2007, 03:13 PM
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Steven Vaughan wrote yet again in response to yet another of Steph's cryptic
non-responses :

"Please enlighten me on what was not sensible. Please be specific. If there
is something I need to know, I would appreciate it if you would tell me."

Steve,

I think you are wasting your time trying to get a response from Steph. He's
a real medical doctor, a real oncologist, and, as you can imagine, it's
rather strange to have such a person choosing to hang out here, of all
places.

And think about what type of doctor a "real oncologist" would be who would
deliver specific medical advice without having examined you, seen your
files, seen your clinical work-ups and stats. imho probably a very poor one
at best, at worst someone on the border of malpractice.

But he does respond to some people here with very thoughtful posts once in a
while. For that I am grateful, and I accept that he appears to be enjoying
blowing-off other people at other times. Think of Doctors as being people,
flawed, like you and me (?), but people who have a lot of other people
believing they have "god-like" powers : it's enough to go to into anyone's
brain and mutate.

Unfortunately we can and do "punch each others' buttons" here as people
collide, seeking and wanting to give help, who may have very different
life-experiences. The threshold of reactivity to perceived insult and
slights can be "inflamed" in such circumstances as a group of people, many
of whom are in the middle of traumatic experiences medically, financially,
and socially, interact.

Fortunately we can move beyond that with a little help from our friends and
our friends-to-be.

I think you have knocked on the "rock of Steph" enough times to now know
it's not a door for you.

take care, Uncle Sally







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Old 05-23-2007, 07:01 PM
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Giuditta wrote:

> The following is an email my friend sent me, more about her husband's
> condition...keep in mind that he hasn't had a biopsy just the CT scan. Isn't
> two months a bit long to wait to see what's going on with him? Can they
> determine from a CT scan if a cancer is fast-growing or not?
>
> Thanks,
> Judy
>
> The doctor said that lesions over 5mm are usually cancerous and those under
> 5mm are usually benign. Randall's are 3mm and 4mm at this point. He also
> said that noncalcified lesions are more likely cancerous than calcified
> lesions, and Randall has one of each. The most pressing issue right now is
> the emphysema that showed up on the cat scan. The doctor told him that
> within 1-2 years he will be on oxygen if he does not stop smoking now. He
> started him on Chantix, and he goes back in a couple of months for another
> cat scan to monitor the growth, if any, of the two lesions. If there is any
> growth at all, they will do what they need to do then. Hopefully by then, he
> will be off the cigarettes.


http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/535601
Solitary Pulmonary Nodule: Assessment of a Solitary Pulmonary Nodule
From ACS Surgery Online
Posted 06/07/2006
Shamus R. Carr, MD; Taine T. V. Pechet, MD, FACS
The solitary pulmonary nodule (SPN) is a common finding that is observed in more
than 150,000 persons each year in the United States
The differential diagnosis of an SPN is broad and includes vascular diseases,
infections, inflammatory conditions, congenital abnormalities, benign tumors,
and malignancies [see Table 1 -- omitted].

Although most SPNs are benign, as many as one third represent primary
malignancies, and nearly one quarter may be solitary metastases.1,5,6 Various
approaches have been developed to aid in the characterization and identification
of SPNs. Certain clinical characteristics—such as greater age, history of
tobacco use, and previous history of cancer—have been shown to increase the
likelihood that the SPN is malignant.7 Some authors have attempted to use
Bayes's theorem, logistic regression models, or neural network analysis to
predict the likelihood of malignancy.7–9 Such methods are highly sensitive and
specific, but they are cumbersome and of limited practical use in actual
clinical evaluation of a patient with an SPN.

Appropriate evaluation involves careful assessment of the patient's history and
risk factors for malignancy in conjunction with the results of radiographic
studies [see Investigative Studies -- omitted, below] to develop an
individualized care plan.

Chest Radiography. Whereas the prevalence of lung cancer is low in comparison to
that of breast or prostate cancer, the mortality for lung cancer exceeds that
for breast, prostate, and colon cancer combined. As noted [seeClinical
Evaluation -- omitted, above], the overall 5-year survival rate for lung cancer
patients is dismal, in part because lung cancer is typically identified at a
more advanced stage than other cancers are. Several trials performed before the
advent of CT scanning attempted to employ chest radiography for early screening
of lung cancer, but they were unable to demonstrate that such screening yielded
any better survival than no screening at all.16–18 One explanation for these
disappointing results may be that fewer than 10% of lung cancers are stage I at
presentation.16

Although chest radiography is ineffective as a screening tool for early-stage
lung cancer, it remains a valuable investigative tool in the evaluation of SPNs.
If an SPN's appearance on chest x-rays has not changed for more than 2 years,
the SPN will be benign in more than 90% of cases. In such cases, only yearly
follow-up is typically required; additional diagnostic tests are usually
unnecessary.19,20 Therefore, an effort should always be made to obtain old chest
radiographs if they are known to exist.

Computed Tomography. The advent of CT scanning has led to an increase in the
number of SPNs detected21—but of course, it has also led to an increase in the
number of SPNs found that prove to be benign. Advocates of CT scanning for
assessment of SPNs base their argument on two central points. First, as many as
83% of CT-detected stage I malignancies are not visible on chest x-ray.22
Second, non-small cell lung cancer (NSCLC) is the malignancy most commonly
identified, and the survival rate for stage I NSCLC is relatively high. In
patients whose SPN proves to be NSCLC, the 5-year survival rate is 67% for stage
IA disease. This figure falls rapidly as the disease stage rises: the 5-year
survival rate is 55% for stage IIA NSCLC and only 10% for stage IIIA NSCLC with
mediastinal nodal metastasis.23

Numerous studies have evaluated the use of screening CT both in the general
population and in at-risk groups consisting of older patients with a smoking
history.22,24,25 The greatest drawback to screening CT is the high false
positive rate: nodules are identified on 23% to 66% of all CT scans, depending
on the thickness of the slices,22,26 and nearly 98% of these nodules are
eventually determined to be benign. Sequential CT scanning is often required to
determine whether an SPN is benign or malignant. In 10% to 15% of patients,
however, this determination cannot be made even when two CT scans are compared.
Such patients may be assessed with other imaging modalities (e.g., positron
emission tomography [PET]) or may be referred for transthoracic needle biopsy
(TTNB) or other invasive diagnostic tests.

There is currently some controversy regarding the optimal timing of follow-up CT
scanning after initial identification of an SPN. In the literature, the
recommended interval between initial CT scanning and repeat CT scanning has
ranged from 1 month to 1 year.22,25,26 These varying recommendations are based
on what is considered the doubling time for an SPN. In a study from 2000 that
included 13 patients with a known diagnosis and lesions less than 10 mm in
diameter at initial evaluation, volumetric growth rates were measured to
establish the doubling times of the nodules.10 The doubling times ranged from 51
days to more than 1 year. For malignant lesions, the average doubling time was
less than 177 days, whereas for benign lesions, it was more than 396 days.

In addition to delineating the size and contours of an SPN, CT scans provide
information on its internal characteristics. Certain lesion characteristics
noted on CT, though not absolutely definitive, point more toward a benign
condition, whereas others point more toward malignancy. For example, although
cavitation may occur in either benign or malignant lesions, SPNs with walls
thicker than 16 mm are much more likely to be malignant, whereas those with
walls thinner than 4 mm are much more likely to be benign.27 As another example,
the presence of intranodular fat is a reliable indicator of a hamartoma (a
benign lesion) and is seen in as many as 50% of hamartomas.28 In addition,
calcification is most commonly associated with hamartomas and other benign
nodules. Unfortunately, between one third and two thirds of benign lesions
visualized are not calcified, and as many as 6% of malignant lesions are
calcified.29–31 Finally, increased enhancement (measured in Hounsfield units
[HU]) after injection with intravenous contrast is strongly suggestive of
malignancy. Lesions that enhance by less than 15 HU are most likely benign
(positive predictive value, 99%), whereas lesions that enhance by more than 20
HU are typically malignant (sensitivity, 98%; specificity, 73%).32 Lesions that
enhance by 15 to 20 HU should be considered indeterminate.

Because most SPNs are benign and because the risk of misdiagnosing a malignant
lesion is so great, it is important to make use of all of the data obtained from
CT scanning in the effort to make cost-effective, logical decisions regarding
further evaluation or treatment. Careful evaluation of the size, contours, and
internal characteristics of an SPN on successive CT scans—in conjunction with
thoughtful consideration of the patient's age, smoking history, and occupational
exposure—provides the framework for appropriate treatment. Because the doubling
time is considerably shorter for malignant lesions than for benign lesions, a
repeat CT scan should be performed 3 months after the initial study. If the
lesion is visibly larger on the repeat scan, it is probably malignant, and
further diagnostic evaluation should be carried out with an eye toward
resection. If, however, the lesion is still present and has not grown, a
follow-up CT scan between 3 months and 12 months is warranted; the precise
timing remains controversial and should be determined on the basis of individual
patient and SPN characteristics. New volumetric modeling methods have been
developed that may be capable of detecting conformational changes over much
shorter intervals, but at present, they are not frequently used.33

Positron Emission Tomography. PET is an imaging modality that employs
radiolabeled isotopes of fluorine, carbon, or oxygen; the most commonly used
isotope is 18F-fluorodeoxyglucose (FDG). The rationale for FDG-PET scanning in
the evaluation of SPNs is based on the higher metabolic rate of most
malignancies and the preferential trapping of FDG in malignant cells.34 However,
increased FDG activity can also occur in benign SPNs,35,36 especially those
arising from active granulomatous diseases37,38 or inflammatory processes.39
These benign diseases can produce false positive PET scans and thereby reduce
the sensitivity of the test.

Efforts have been made to increase the sensitivity and specificity of PET
scanning in the diagnosis of SPNs. One such effort involves the use of the
standardized uptake value (SUV), which is a numerical indication of the activity
concentration in a lesion, normalized for the injected dose.45 In many studies,
an SPN is considered malignant when its SUV is higher than 2.5. Because of the
method used to calculate the SUV, however, small tumors (< 1.0 cm) may have an
SUV lower than 2.5 and still be malignant. The reason is that their small volume
causes their true activity concentration to be underestimated, with the result
that their SUV drops below the threshold value for malignancy. In one
prospective study of patients with SPNs, the overall sensitivity of FDG-PET
scanning was 79%, and the overall specificity was 65%.46 When the SPN was
smaller than 1.0 cm, however, all of the scans were negative, even though 40% of
the nodules were malignant.

In cases where the SPN is larger than 1.0 cm and no previous radiographs or CT
scans are available for comparison, PET scanning can provide information that
may facilitate the decision whether to follow the lesion closely or to proceed
with biopsy.
PET scanning has a definite place in the evaluation of SPNs, but it is not
appropriate for every patient. A study that examined the cost-effectiveness of
PET in the evaluation of SPNs concluded that it was cost-effective for patients
who had an intermediate pretest probability of a malignant SPN and who were at
high risk for surgical complications.47
In all other groups, PET was not cost-effective, and CT led to similar outcomes
(in terms of quality-adjusted life years) and to lower costs.



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Old 05-24-2007, 01:26 AM
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>> I ask again- Please provide us (potential cancer patients) with any
>> information that might be helpful given the information yoyu have thus
>> far. Correct any data that is erroneous. I'm ASKING you to do this.
>> Nicely, I think. I've said "please" numerous times.
>>

>
> No, you certainly did not provide a useful opinion
> I will say this:
> Small pulmonary nodules are common, and usually benign
> Having CT scans and PET scans for no good reason is stupid
> Exrtrapolating your personal experience is dangerous
> Not everyone lives in the USA


So, discovering 3mm and 4mm pulmonary nodules isn't a good reason for
follow-up CT? What IS the proper follow-up (if any) in your opinion?

What about my 14mm spiculated nodule that was accidentally found on chest CT
when I was having a gallbladder attacklast month? (I had both abdomen and
chest CT's) Rather than the follow-up PET and subsequent finding of a 1.8 cm
lymph node (2 cm from the nodule in the Mediastinum) with +3.0 SUV uptake in
addition to the nodule (which shows no uptake) what would you have done? Is
there a better approach to my nodule than the follow-up CT that I will have
7 weeks from now? Keep in mind my lymph node is inflammation- still awaiting
fungal culture results. No bacterial or viral organisms present. Suspected
to be Sarcoidosis, Histoplasmosis, or other unknown former infection. If so,
what to do with the nodule that can't be reached by Bronchoscopy? Surgery?
Radiation? Nothing? Does the fact that I was a smoker for 27 years have a
bearing on if/how to follow up? How about my age? (42) I'm still confused.

Thank you for providing info. I appreciate all the info I can get.


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Old 05-24-2007, 01:26 AM
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> I think you have knocked on the "rock of Steph" enough times to now know
> it's not a door for you.
>
> take care, Uncle Sally
>



Indeed. I wish he would give some ideas on what is the proper follow-up,
rather than telling me what isn't. Alas.

Thx for the input.


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Old 05-24-2007, 01:26 AM
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I forgot to add the Mediastinoscopy and cultures showed that the lymph node
was a "Caseating Granuloma".
(Definetly NOT non-caseating)


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Old 05-24-2007, 10:32 AM
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"Steven Vaughan" <srv@doubletrouble.com> wrote in message
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>
>> I think you have knocked on the "rock of Steph" enough times to now know
>> it's not a door for you.
>>
>> take care, Uncle Sally
>>

>
>
> Indeed. I wish he would give some ideas on what is the proper follow-up,
> rather than telling me what isn't. Alas.
>
> Thx for the input.
>


Steven, I wish you well.
Many of the people who post here are not in the US, and the profligate
wastage of CT scan and PET scan resources which is common to the American
system is not a part of other public health care systems (even ones with
better outcomes than the US, like the Canadian system)

What you haven't told us:
Why on earth did you have the CT scan in the first place?


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Old 05-24-2007, 10:32 AM
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"Steven Vaughan" <srv@doubletrouble.com> wrote in message
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>
>>> I ask again- Please provide us (potential cancer patients) with any
>>> information that might be helpful given the information yoyu have thus
>>> far. Correct any data that is erroneous. I'm ASKING you to do this.
>>> Nicely, I think. I've said "please" numerous times.
>>>

>>
>> No, you certainly did not provide a useful opinion
>> I will say this:
>> Small pulmonary nodules are common, and usually benign
>> Having CT scans and PET scans for no good reason is stupid
>> Exrtrapolating your personal experience is dangerous
>> Not everyone lives in the USA

>
> So, discovering 3mm and 4mm pulmonary nodules isn't a good reason for
> follow-up CT? What IS the proper follow-up (if any) in your opinion?


Almost every middle aged person will have 1 or 2 such nodules. Do you know
how much radiation you get from a CT scan?
If multiple nodules are cancerous, there is no curative treatment anyway. If
a single nodule is, there may be.

>
> What about my 14mm spiculated nodule that was accidentally found on chest
> CT when I was having a gallbladder attacklast month? (I had both abdomen
> and chest CT's) Rather than the follow-up PET and subsequent finding of a
> 1.8 cm lymph node (2 cm from the nodule in the Mediastinum) with +3.0 SUV
> uptake in addition to the nodule (which shows no uptake) what would you
> have done? Is there a better approach to my nodule than the follow-up CT
> that I will have 7 weeks from now? Keep in mind my lymph node is
> inflammation- still awaiting fungal culture results. No bacterial or viral
> organisms present. Suspected to be Sarcoidosis, Histoplasmosis, or other
> unknown former infection. If so, what to do with the nodule that can't be
> reached by Bronchoscopy? Surgery? Radiation? Nothing? Does the fact that I
> was a smoker for 27 years have a bearing on if/how to follow up? How about
> my age? (42) I'm still confused.
>
> Thank you for providing info. I appreciate all the info I can get.
>


Spiculated nodules are often malignant. Nodes over 1cm are often malignant.
If the spiculated nodule is 15mm in 7 weeks, what will you do? If it's 13mm,
what will you do?

If there is a realistic suspicion of malignancy, it should be taken out. If
there isn't, it should be ignored


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"Steven Vaughan" <srv@doubletrouble.com> wrote in message
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>I forgot to add the Mediastinoscopy and cultures showed that the lymph node
>was a "Caseating Granuloma".
> (Definetly NOT non-caseating)
>


Then it's not cancer in the node. All the more reason to get the spiculated
lesion removed


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"J" <nexsw@nvalid,anon> wrote in message
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> Giuditta wrote:
>
>> The following is an email my friend sent me, more about her husband's
>> condition...keep in mind that he hasn't had a biopsy just the CT scan.
>> Isn't
>> two months a bit long to wait to see what's going on with him? Can they
>> determine from a CT scan if a cancer is fast-growing or not?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Judy
>>
>> The doctor said that lesions over 5mm are usually cancerous and those
>> under
>> 5mm are usually benign. Randall's are 3mm and 4mm at this point. He also
>> said that noncalcified lesions are more likely cancerous than calcified
>> lesions, and Randall has one of each. The most pressing issue right now
>> is
>> the emphysema that showed up on the cat scan. The doctor told him that
>> within 1-2 years he will be on oxygen if he does not stop smoking now. He
>> started him on Chantix, and he goes back in a couple of months for
>> another
>> cat scan to monitor the growth, if any, of the two lesions. If there is
>> any
>> growth at all, they will do what they need to do then. Hopefully by then,
>> he
>> will be off the cigarettes.

>
> http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/535601
> Solitary Pulmonary Nodule: Assessment of a Solitary Pulmonary Nodule
> From ACS Surgery Online
> Posted 06/07/2006
> Shamus R. Carr, MD; Taine T. V. Pechet, MD, FACS
> The solitary pulmonary nodule (SPN) is a common finding that is observed
> in more
> than 150,000 persons each year in the United States
> The differential diagnosis of an SPN is broad and includes vascular
> diseases,
> infections, inflammatory conditions, congenital abnormalities, benign
> tumors,
> and malignancies [see Table 1 -- omitted].
>
> Although most SPNs are benign, as many as one third represent primary
> malignancies, and nearly one quarter may be solitary metastases.1,5,6
> Various
> approaches have been developed to aid in the characterization and
> identification
> of SPNs. Certain clinical characteristics-such as greater age, history of
> tobacco use, and previous history of cancer-have been shown to increase
> the
> likelihood that the SPN is malignant.7 Some authors have attempted to use
> Bayes's theorem, logistic regression models, or neural network analysis to
> predict the likelihood of malignancy.7-9 Such methods are highly sensitive
> and
> specific, but they are cumbersome and of limited practical use in actual
> clinical evaluation of a patient with an SPN.
>
> Appropriate evaluation involves careful assessment of the patient's
> history and
> risk factors for malignancy in conjunction with the results of
> radiographic
> studies [see Investigative Studies -- omitted, below] to develop an
> individualized care plan.
>
> Chest Radiography. Whereas the prevalence of lung cancer is low in
> comparison to
> that of breast or prostate cancer, the mortality for lung cancer exceeds
> that
> for breast, prostate, and colon cancer combined. As noted [seeClinical
> Evaluation -- omitted, above], the overall 5-year survival rate for lung
> cancer
> patients is dismal, in part because lung cancer is typically identified at
> a
> more advanced stage than other cancers are. Several trials performed
> before the
> advent of CT scanning attempted to employ chest radiography for early
> screening
> of lung cancer, but they were unable to demonstrate that such screening
> yielded
> any better survival than no screening at all.16-18 One explanation for
> these
> disappointing results may be that fewer than 10% of lung cancers are stage
> I at
> presentation.16
>
> Although chest radiography is ineffective as a screening tool for
> early-stage
> lung cancer, it remains a valuable investigative tool in the evaluation of
> SPNs.
> If an SPN's appearance on chest x-rays has not changed for more than 2
> years,
> the SPN will be benign in more than 90% of cases. In such cases, only
> yearly
> follow-up is typically required; additional diagnostic tests are usually
> unnecessary.19,20 Therefore, an effort should always be made to obtain old
> chest
> radiographs if they are known to exist.
>
> Computed Tomography. The advent of CT scanning has led to an increase in
> the
> number of SPNs detected21-but of course, it has also led to an increase in
> the
> number of SPNs found that prove to be benign. Advocates of CT scanning for
> assessment of SPNs base their argument on two central points. First, as
> many as
> 83% of CT-detected stage I malignancies are not visible on chest x-ray.22
> Second, non-small cell lung cancer (NSCLC) is the malignancy most commonly
> identified, and the survival rate for stage I NSCLC is relatively high. In
> patients whose SPN proves to be NSCLC, the 5-year survival rate is 67% for
> stage
> IA disease. This figure falls rapidly as the disease stage rises: the
> 5-year
> survival rate is 55% for stage IIA NSCLC and only 10% for stage IIIA NSCLC
> with
> mediastinal nodal metastasis.23
>
> Numerous studies have evaluated the use of screening CT both in the
> general
> population and in at-risk groups consisting of older patients with a
> smoking
> history.22,24,25 The greatest drawback to screening CT is the high false
> positive rate: nodules are identified on 23% to 66% of all CT scans,
> depending
> on the thickness of the slices,22,26 and nearly 98% of these nodules are
> eventually determined to be benign. Sequential CT scanning is often
> required to
> determine whether an SPN is benign or malignant. In 10% to 15% of
> patients,
> however, this determination cannot be made even when two CT scans are
> compared.
> Such patients may be assessed with other imaging modalities (e.g.,
> positron
> emission tomography [PET]) or may be referred for transthoracic needle
> biopsy
> (TTNB) or other invasive diagnostic tests.
>
> There is currently some controversy regarding the optimal timing of
> follow-up CT
> scanning after initial identification of an SPN. In the literature, the
> recommended interval between initial CT scanning and repeat CT scanning
> has
> ranged from 1 month to 1 year.22,25,26 These varying recommendations are
> based
> on what is considered the doubling time for an SPN. In a study from 2000
> that
> included 13 patients with a known diagnosis and lesions less than 10 mm in
> diameter at initial evaluation, volumetric growth rates were measured to
> establish the doubling times of the nodules.10 The doubling times ranged
> from 51
> days to more than 1 year. For malignant lesions, the average doubling time
> was
> less than 177 days, whereas for benign lesions, it was more than 396 days.
>
> In addition to delineating the size and contours of an SPN, CT scans
> provide
> information on its internal characteristics. Certain lesion
> characteristics
> noted on CT, though not absolutely definitive, point more toward a benign
> condition, whereas others point more toward malignancy. For example,
> although
> cavitation may occur in either benign or malignant lesions, SPNs with
> walls
> thicker than 16 mm are much more likely to be malignant, whereas those
> with
> walls thinner than 4 mm are much more likely to be benign.27 As another
> example,
> the presence of intranodular fat is a reliable indicator of a hamartoma (a
> benign lesion) and is seen in as many as 50% of hamartomas.28 In addition,
> calcification is most commonly associated with hamartomas and other benign
> nodules. Unfortunately, between one third and two thirds of benign lesions
> visualized are not calcified, and as many as 6% of malignant lesions are
> calcified.29-31 Finally, increased enhancement (measured in Hounsfield
> units
> [HU]) after injection with intravenous contrast is strongly suggestive of
> malignancy. Lesions that enhance by less than 15 HU are most likely benign
> (positive predictive value, 99%), whereas lesions that enhance by more
> than 20
> HU are typically malignant (sensitivity, 98%; specificity, 73%).32 Lesions
> that
> enhance by 15 to 20 HU should be considered indeterminate.
>
> Because most SPNs are benign and because the risk of misdiagnosing a
> malignant
> lesion is so great, it is important to make use of all of the data
> obtained from
> CT scanning in the effort to make cost-effective, logical decisions
> regarding
> further evaluation or treatment. Careful evaluation of the size, contours,
> and
> internal characteristics of an SPN on successive CT scans-in conjunction
> with
> thoughtful consideration of the patient's age, smoking history, and
> occupational
> exposure-provides the framework for appropriate treatment. Because the
> doubling
> time is considerably shorter for malignant lesions than for benign
> lesions, a
> repeat CT