Mom is charged for making medical decisions, this is NOT a free country

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"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> fell face-first on the keyboard.
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> http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...ying-son-chemo
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You say, in your subject title, that this is "NOT a free country" - It
(Both Canada and the USA) most certainly is - You, for example, have every
right to swing your fist - that right, however, stops at the tip of my
nose.

In other words, you are free to do as you wish until you pose a danger, by
action or witholding of action, to others.

From that article:

"He had a good prognosis when first diagnosed, with chances of recovery put
at 85 percent to 90 percent, according to a police report. But his chances
have dropped to 10 percent since being deprived of medication, authorities
said."

....

"In March, Dr. Alison Friedmann, the child's oncologist at Massachusetts
General Hospital, filed a report of suspected neglect with the Department
of Social Services after discovering Fraser's cancer had returned,
something that should not have happened if he was on his medications."

In other words, by witholding chemotherapy, the "mother" (and I use that
term with disdain in this case) dropped her own son's chances of survival
from 85% to practically nil.

That is the choice one makes when having children: You have
_responsibilities_ because they are not old enough to carry out those
responsibilities themselves.

"NOT a free country" ? You actually believe that the mother had the _RIGHT_
to deny her son a (good) chance to live ? You disgust me.



--
Marc Bissonnette
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Marc Bissonnette wrote:

> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> fell face-first on the keyboard.
> This was the result: news:j8Ubk.13159$xZ.1717@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
> > http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...ying-son-chemo
> > /20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430
>
> You say, in your subject title, that this is "NOT a free country" - It
> (Both Canada and the USA) most certainly is - You, for example, have every
> right to swing your fist - that right, however, stops at the tip of my
> nose.
>
> In other words, you are free to do as you wish until you pose a danger, by
> action or witholding of action, to others.
>
> From that article:
>
> "He had a good prognosis when first diagnosed, with chances of recovery put
> at 85 percent to 90 percent, according to a police report. But his chances
> have dropped to 10 percent since being deprived of medication, authorities
> said."
>
> ...
>
> "In March, Dr. Alison Friedmann, the child's oncologist at Massachusetts
> General Hospital, filed a report of suspected neglect with the Department
> of Social Services after discovering Fraser's cancer had returned,
> something that should not have happened if he was on his medications."
>
> In other words, by witholding chemotherapy, the "mother" (and I use that
> term with disdain in this case) dropped her own son's chances of survival
> from 85% to practically nil.
>
> That is the choice one makes when having children: You have
> _responsibilities_ because they are not old enough to carry out those
> responsibilities themselves.
>
> "NOT a free country" ? You actually believe that the mother had the _RIGHT_
> to deny her son a (good) chance to live ? You disgust me.

<
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...mning-die.html
>
'This child was in remission.His prognosis was good. This child came out of
remission. He is not expected to survive.'

Prosecutors and police have not revealed a motive for LaBrie's decision to
withhold her son's cancer treatment.

However LaBrie and her ex-husband, Eric Fraser, are involved in a bitter
divorce which her lawyers says is to blame for the charges.

According to the police report Fraser was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma
in 2006.

He underwent a five-phase regime of chemotherapy, including drugs that were
supposed to be given to him by his mum at his home in Salem, Massachusetts.

Police said LaBrie cancelled at least a dozen appointments for chemotherapy
treatments.

She also failed to fill at least half of the prescriptions her son was given by
doctors.

The child's oncologist, Dr Alison Friendmann, filed a report of suspected
neglect with the social services after discovering Jeremy's cancer had
returned.

She said with the course of treatment prescribed for the eight-year-old the
cancer should not have returned.

http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=7567
For many years the survival rates for children with NHL after treatment have
been getting better. Between 1962 and 1966 only 17 out of every 100 (17%)
children treated for all types of NHL were alive 5 years later. But between
1992 and 1996, 77 out of every 100 (77%) children were alive 5 years later.
The 90% figure your son’s specialist mentions is likely to come from results of
one of the European BFM studies, published in 2000. This study suggests that
90 out of every 100 children with T cell lymphoblastic lymphoma (90%) survive
for at least five years. Do bear in mind that this is an overall statistic for
all stages of T cell lymphoblastic lymphoma.


http://www.cancernews.com/articles/c...dlymphomas.htm
Children with Hodgkin's lymphoma who exhibit the following symptoms (B
symptoms) usually have more advanced disease and a worse prognosis: temperature
101degree F, drenching night sweats, or 10 lb weight loss over 6 months.
Children with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma who have either bone marrow or central
nervous system involvement would also, in general, have a worse prognosis.

Treatment for Hodgkin's Lymphoma: Even though radiation therapy is usually the
treatment of choice for the adult patients with Hodgkin's disease, chemotherapy
is usually chosen over radiation therapy for the treatment of children, because
children with fast growing bones and soft tissues are more sensitive to effects
of radiation therapy. If radiation therapy is used (as in the case of a large
tumor in the chest that is difficult to sterilize by chemotherapy alone, or the
presence of B symptoms , or having stages III/IV disease), the dose of
radiation given would be reduced almost by half to prevent stunted growth or
deformed bones from developing at the site of radiation treatment. The medicine
(chemotherapy) used in the treatment of Hodgkin's disease include: alternating
courses of vincristine, prednisone, nitrogen mustard, procarbazine (MOPP) and
adriamycin, bleomycin, vinblastine and dacarbazine (ABVD) for 6 months (stages
I/II) to 12 months (stages 2B, III/IV).

Treatment for non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL): Children with NHL tend to have
advanced disease with a higher incidence of either bone marrow and/or central
nervous system involvement. The treatment of choice is, therefore, more
intensive chemotherapy. Because there are 2 types of NHL, the treatments for
these 2 types are also quite different. The 2 types of NHL are called either
B-cell NHL or T-cell NHL, depending on the type of lymphocyte (a type of white
blood cell) that has turned cancerous. Treatment for B-cell NHL includes
Adriamycin, Ara-C, cyclophosphamide, ifosfamide, methotrexate, vincristine and
vinblastine given as an injection into the vein in various combinations and
time intervals. Ara-C and methotrexate are also given as an injection into the
cerebrospinal fluid (the liquid surrounding the brain and the spinal cord)
through a spinal tap to prevent the disease from spreading there and as
treatment for the disease that has already spread there. Treatment for T-cell
NHL includes Adriamycin, cyclophosphamide, L-asparaginase, methotrexate, and
vincristine given as an injection into the vein, with mercaptopurine and
prednisone given by mouth in various combinations and time intervals. Ara-C and
methotrexate are also given as an injection into the cerebrospinal fluid (the
liquid surrounding the brain and the spinal cord) through a spinal tap to
\prevent the disease from spreading there and as treatment for the disease that
has already spread there. Radiation therapy to the head for the prevention and
treatment of disease involving the central nervous system.

Because of the excellent response to chemotherapy, bone marrow transplantation
is being used experimentally for patients who are resistant to chemotherapy or
whose lymphoma recurred after initial response to chemotherapy.

There are 2 types of bone marrow transplantation: allogeneic bone marrow
transplantation (AlloBMT) is when a marrow donor is used and autologous bone
marrow transplantation (ABMT), when the patients' own bone marrow is given back
to the patient.

The limitations for the AlloBMT are:

1. Not everybody has a compatible marrow donor. There is only a 25% chance of
finding a compatible marrow donor among one's siblings - the best source for
marrow donors. The chances drop to 5% among other blood relatives and
1:1,000,000 among unrelated donors.

2. Depending on the experience of the transplantation team, there is 5-20%
death rate associated with the bone marrow transplantation, either from
infection, graft rejection (the patient rejects the donor's cells) or acute
graft versus host disease (the donor's cells attack the patient's bodily
organs/systems).

3. Late complications may include: rigid lung, damaged heart muscles,
infertility, chronic graft versus host disease and recurrence of the lymphoma.

The problem with ABMT is the recurrence of lymphoma after bone marrow
transplantation. "

newsgroups trimmed.
J

J, no> wrote:

> Marc Bissonnette wrote:
>
> > In other words, by witholding chemotherapy, the "mother" (and I use that
> > term with disdain in this case) dropped her own son's chances of survival
> > from 85% to practically nil.
> >
> > That is the choice one makes when having children: You have
> > _responsibilities_ because they are not old enough to carry out those
> > responsibilities themselves.
> >
> > "NOT a free country" ? You actually believe that the mother had the _RIGHT_
> > to deny her son a (good) chance to live ? You disgust me.
>
> <
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...mning-die.html
> >
> 'This child was in remission.His prognosis was good. This child came out of
> remission. He is not expected to survive.'
>
> Prosecutors and police have not revealed a motive for LaBrie's decision to
> withhold her son's cancer treatment.
>
> However LaBrie and her ex-husband, Eric Fraser, are involved in a bitter
> divorce which her lawyers says is to blame for the charges.
>
> According to the police report Fraser was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma
> in 2006.
>
> He underwent a five-phase regime of chemotherapy, including drugs that were
> supposed to be given to him by his mum at his home in Salem, Massachusetts.
>
> Police said LaBrie cancelled at least a dozen appointments for chemotherapy
> treatments.
>
> She also failed to fill at least half of the prescriptions her son was given by
> doctors.
>
> The child's oncologist, Dr Alison Friendmann, filed a report of suspected
> neglect with the social services after discovering Jeremy's cancer had
> returned.
>
> She said with the course of treatment prescribed for the eight-year-old the
> cancer should not have returned.
> [..]
>
> http://www.cancernews.com/articles/c...dlymphomas.htm
>
> Treatment for non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL): Children with NHL tend to have
> advanced disease with a higher incidence of either bone marrow and/or central
> nervous system involvement. The treatment of choice is, therefore, more
> intensive chemotherapy. Because there are 2 types of NHL, the treatments for
> these 2 types are also quite different. The 2 types of NHL are called either
> B-cell NHL or T-cell NHL, depending on the type of lymphocyte (a type of white
> blood cell) that has turned cancerous. Treatment for B-cell NHL includes
> Adriamycin, Ara-C, cyclophosphamide, ifosfamide, methotrexate, vincristine and
> vinblastine given as an injection into the vein in various combinations and
> time intervals. Ara-C and methotrexate are also given as an injection into the
> cerebrospinal fluid (the liquid surrounding the brain and the spinal cord)
> through a spinal tap to prevent the disease from spreading there and as
> treatment for the disease that has already spread there. Treatment for T-cell
> NHL includes Adriamycin, cyclophosphamide, L-asparaginase, methotrexate, and
> vincristine given as an injection into the vein, with mercaptopurine and
> prednisone given by mouth in various combinations and time intervals. Ara-C and
> methotrexate are also given as an injection into the cerebrospinal fluid (the
> liquid surrounding the brain and the spinal cord) through a spinal tap to
> \prevent the disease from spreading there and as treatment for the disease that
> has already spread there. Radiation therapy to the head for the prevention and
> treatment of disease involving the central nervous system.
>
> Because of the excellent response to chemotherapy, bone marrow transplantation
> is being used experimentally for patients who are resistant to chemotherapy or
> whose lymphoma recurred after initial response to chemotherapy.
>
> There are 2 types of bone marrow transplantation: allogeneic bone marrow
> transplantation (AlloBMT) is when a marrow donor is used and autologous bone
> marrow transplantation (ABMT), when the patients' own bone marrow is given back
> to the patient.
>
> The limitations for the AlloBMT are:
>
> 1. Not everybody has a compatible marrow donor. There is only a 25% chance of
> finding a compatible marrow donor among one's siblings - the best source for
> marrow donors. The chances drop to 5% among other blood relatives and
> 1:1,000,000 among unrelated donors.
>
> 2. Depending on the experience of the transplantation team, there is 5-20%
> death rate associated with the bone marrow transplantation, either from
> infection, graft rejection (the patient rejects the donor's cells) or acute
> graft versus host disease (the donor's cells attack the patient's bodily
> organs/systems).
>
> 3. Late complications may include: rigid lung, damaged heart muscles,
> infertility, chronic graft versus host disease and recurrence of the lymphoma.
>
> The problem with ABMT is the recurrence of lymphoma after bone marrow
> transplantation. "

her husband "hit the road" for reasons only known to him.
And left her to deal with it. Now he wants back in.
We (nor the prosecutor, nor courts, nor children's aid (etc) were there to help her 24/7.
We have no right to be judgemental.
J

J <xnswex@nalid;"no> fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the
result: news:487135D7.532FC274@execulink.com:

> J, no> wrote:
>
>> Marc Bissonnette wrote:
>>
>> > In other words, by witholding chemotherapy, the "mother" (and I use
>> > that term with disdain in this case) dropped her own son's chances
>> > of survival from 85% to practically nil.
>> >
>> > That is the choice one makes when having children: You have
>> > _responsibilities_ because they are not old enough to carry out
>> > those responsibilities themselves.
>> >
>> > "NOT a free country" ? You actually believe that the mother had the
>> > _RIGHT_ to deny her son a (good) chance to live ? You disgust me.
>>
>> <
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...5/Mother-delib
>> erately-withheld-sons-cancer-treatment--condemning-die.html
>> >
>> 'This child was in remission.His prognosis was good. This child came
>> out of
>> remission. He is not expected to survive.'
>>
>> Prosecutors and police have not revealed a motive for LaBrie's
>> decision to withhold her son's cancer treatment.
>>
>> However LaBrie and her ex-husband, Eric Fraser, are involved in a
>> bitter divorce which her lawyers says is to blame for the charges.
>>
>> According to the police report Fraser was diagnosed with
>> non-Hodgkin's lymphoma in 2006.
>>
>> He underwent a five-phase regime of chemotherapy, including drugs
>> that were supposed to be given to him by his mum at his home in
>> Salem, Massachusetts.
>>
>> Police said LaBrie cancelled at least a dozen appointments for
>> chemotherapy treatments.
>>
>> She also failed to fill at least half of the prescriptions her son
>> was given by doctors.
>>
>> The child's oncologist, Dr Alison Friendmann, filed a report of
>> suspected neglect with the social services after discovering Jeremy's
>> cancer had returned.
>>
>> She said with the course of treatment prescribed for the
>> eight-year-old the cancer should not have returned.
>> [..]
>>
>> http://www.cancernews.com/articles/c...dlymphomas.htm
>>
>> Treatment for non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL): Children with NHL tend to
>> have advanced disease with a higher incidence of either bone marrow
>> and/or central nervous system involvement. The treatment of choice
>> is, therefore, more intensive chemotherapy. Because there are 2 types
>> of NHL, the treatments for these 2 types are also quite different.
>> The 2 types of NHL are called either B-cell NHL or T-cell NHL,
>> depending on the type of lymphocyte (a type of white blood cell) that
>> has turned cancerous. Treatment for B-cell NHL includes Adriamycin,
>> Ara-C, cyclophosphamide, ifosfamide, methotrexate, vincristine and
>> vinblastine given as an injection into the vein in various
>> combinations and time intervals. Ara-C and methotrexate are also
>> given as an injection into the cerebrospinal fluid (the liquid
>> surrounding the brain and the spinal cord) through a spinal tap to
>> prevent the disease from spreading there and as treatment for the
>> disease that has already spread there. Treatment for T-cell NHL
>> includes Adriamycin, cyclophosphamide, L-asparaginase, methotrexate,
>> and vincristine given as an injection into the vein, with
>> mercaptopurine and prednisone given by mouth in various combinations
>> and time intervals. Ara-C and methotrexate are also given as an
>> injection into the cerebrospinal fluid (the liquid surrounding the
>> brain and the spinal cord) through a spinal tap to \prevent the
>> disease from spreading there and as treatment for the disease that
>> has already spread there. Radiation therapy to the head for the
>> prevention and treatment of disease involving the central nervous
>> system.
>>
>> Because of the excellent response to chemotherapy, bone marrow
>> transplantation is being used experimentally for patients who are
>> resistant to chemotherapy or whose lymphoma recurred after initial
>> response to chemotherapy.
>>
>> There are 2 types of bone marrow transplantation: allogeneic bone
>> marrow transplantation (AlloBMT) is when a marrow donor is used and
>> autologous bone marrow transplantation (ABMT), when the patients' own
>> bone marrow is given back to the patient.
>>
>> The limitations for the AlloBMT are:
>>
>> 1. Not everybody has a compatible marrow donor. There is only a 25%
>> chance of finding a compatible marrow donor among one's siblings -
>> the best source for marrow donors. The chances drop to 5% among other
>> blood relatives and 1:1,000,000 among unrelated donors.
>>
>> 2. Depending on the experience of the transplantation team, there is
>> 5-20% death rate associated with the bone marrow transplantation,
>> either from infection, graft rejection (the patient rejects the
>> donor's cells) or acute graft versus host disease (the donor's cells
>> attack the patient's bodily organs/systems).
>>
>> 3. Late complications may include: rigid lung, damaged heart muscles,
>> infertility, chronic graft versus host disease and recurrence of the
>> lymphoma.
>>
>> The problem with ABMT is the recurrence of lymphoma after bone marrow
>> transplantation. "
>
> her husband "hit the road" for reasons only known to him.
> And left her to deal with it. Now he wants back in.
> We (nor the prosecutor, nor courts, nor children's aid (etc) were
> there to help her 24/7. We have no right to be judgemental.

I'm surprised you take this attitude. Do you *know* that he "hit the
road" as opposed to a (typical) family judge telling him he only got to
see his kid twice a month ?

That aside - You sound like you are suggesting that there might be
*validation* for withholding medical treatment from one's own child.

"Oh, woe is me! I am a single parent and life is hard and I can't go out
and party and it's tough making ends meet, so that means I don't have to
treat my son because life is so tough for me - So what that he dies -
Life is tough for Me, Me, ME."

Is that what you are suggesting, J ?

Before you think that perhaps I am armchair quarterbacking or talking
about that which I am not familiar: Check this out:

http://www.armyofangels.org

That's *MY* son who's had a helluva lot more treatment, medical visits,
surgeries and two instances where doctors said he wouldn't live out the
week.

I've *more* than had my fair share of "rough life" where everything
bloody well got too expensive and bill collectors were calling, etc, so
on and so forth but my kids sure as heck didn't suffer because of it and
they *most* certainly were never denied medical treatment and attention
because of *my* tough life.

Furthermore, just to make sure apples are being compared to apples: This
child in the story is autistic - Compared to Angelman Syndrome, that's a
bloody head cold.

You're damned straight I have a right to be judgemental.



--
Marc Bissonnette
Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com
Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:j8Ubk.13159$xZ.1717@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
> http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...835x1200242430
Labrie declined comment to the Salem Evening News as she left court. Her
lawyer, Kevin James, said Labrie had taken her son more than 100 times to
Massachusetts General Hospital and "has been extensively involved in this
child's care."

Marc Bissonnette wrote:

> J <xnswex@nalid;"no> fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the
> result: news:487135D7.532FC274@execulink.com:
>
> > J, no> wrote:
> >
> >> Marc Bissonnette wrote:
> >>
>
> Before you think that perhaps I am armchair quarterbacking or talking
> about that which I am not familiar: Check this out:
>
> http://www.armyofangels.org
>
> That's *MY* son who's had a helluva lot more treatment, medical visits,
> surgeries and two instances where doctors said he wouldn't live out the
> week.
>
> I've *more* than had my fair share of "rough life" where everything
> bloody well got too expensive and bill collectors were calling, etc, so
> on and so forth but my kids sure as heck didn't suffer because of it and
> they *most* certainly were never denied medical treatment and attention
> because of *my* tough life.
>
> Furthermore, just to make sure apples are being compared to apples: This
> child in the story is autistic - Compared to Angelman Syndrome, that's a
> bloody head cold.
>
> You're damned straight I have a right to be judgemental.

I've read your webpage several times.
Two different situations.
As far as I can recall, your child is not being given medications mentioned
here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism required to stop unruly behaviour.
The behaviours mentioned there are just the tip of the iceberg of what to
expect on any given day, in the severely autistic.
There's a reason they were called "autistic psychopaths"
It gets worse as they age.
One I know has to have general anesthetic for teeth cleaning.
He throws a tantrum if someone tries to open his mouth and is stronger than 3
adults.
They need to be protected from themselves and protect others from them.
They seem to like tapping and breaking glass. All the windows have been
boarded up.
The younger, I know of, has started that as well. The only time off the
mother gets, is when her mother goes to visit - out West, once a year.
Parties? ROFL Both (families) dedicate all of their lives to their kids.
Re: the severe one, adolescent, they sleep in the living room, with him in
the center bed, so one or both can detect if he gets up (has to be watched).
They have no privacy. They do have from Sat am, until Sun pm caregiving,
twice a month to catch their breaths, have time alone, shopping errands and
other misc, which cannot be done with him around. The caregiver decided she
wanted a break, So far, they haven't found anyone who will do it for the
summer months.

There was one here (adult who wanted to be loved - hiw words), before your
time claiming he had AML.
He wanted to know when he would die and how. I would not tell him.
His mother (his only relative) had died some years earlier.
He'd refused treatment. Was probably "off his meds", very paranoid.
His webpages detailed the war he'd been having with the authorities in a
subsidized living building and showed the destruction. He refused to allow
entry to repair the damages.
He was in UK. I felt badly for him, however there was nothing any of us could
do to help.
I suspect he passed away, probably Marchish or earlier, probably alone and
scared.
His webpage has no updates for this year.

there's one in our neighbourhood. Adult. he's got a police curfew and his
parents (try to) keep him on a "short leash".
It's a sad future for the severely autistic.
J

J <xnswex@nalid;"no> fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the
result: news:4871A269.DD66D4FC@execulink.com:

> Marc Bissonnette wrote:
>
>> J <xnswex@nalid;"no> fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the
>> result: news:487135D7.532FC274@execulink.com:
>>
>> > J, no> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Marc Bissonnette wrote:
>> >>
>>
>> Before you think that perhaps I am armchair quarterbacking or talking
>> about that which I am not familiar: Check this out:
>>
>> http://www.armyofangels.org
>>
>> That's *MY* son who's had a helluva lot more treatment, medical
>> visits, surgeries and two instances where doctors said he wouldn't
>> live out the week.
>>
>> I've *more* than had my fair share of "rough life" where everything
>> bloody well got too expensive and bill collectors were calling, etc,
>> so on and so forth but my kids sure as heck didn't suffer because of
>> it and they *most* certainly were never denied medical treatment and
>> attention because of *my* tough life.
>>
>> Furthermore, just to make sure apples are being compared to apples:
>> This child in the story is autistic - Compared to Angelman Syndrome,
>> that's a bloody head cold.
>>
>> You're damned straight I have a right to be judgemental.
>
> I've read your webpage several times.
> Two different situations.
> As far as I can recall, your child is not being given medications
> mentioned here
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism required to stop unruly behaviour.
> The behaviours mentioned there are just the tip of the iceberg of what
> to expect on any given day, in the severely autistic.
> There's a reason they were called "autistic psychopaths"
> It gets worse as they age.
> One I know has to have general anesthetic for teeth cleaning.
> He throws a tantrum if someone tries to open his mouth and is stronger
> than 3 adults.
> They need to be protected from themselves and protect others from
> them. They seem to like tapping and breaking glass. All the windows
> have been boarded up.
> The younger, I know of, has started that as well. The only time off
> the mother gets, is when her mother goes to visit - out West, once a
> year. Parties? ROFL Both (families) dedicate all of their lives to
> their kids. Re: the severe one, adolescent, they sleep in the living
> room, with him in the center bed, so one or both can detect if he gets
> up (has to be watched). They have no privacy. They do have from Sat
> am, until Sun pm caregiving, twice a month to catch their breaths,
> have time alone, shopping errands and other misc, which cannot be done
> with him around. The caregiver decided she wanted a break, So far,
> they haven't found anyone who will do it for the summer months.
>
> There was one here (adult who wanted to be loved - hiw words), before
> your time claiming he had AML.
> He wanted to know when he would die and how. I would not tell him.
> His mother (his only relative) had died some years earlier.
> He'd refused treatment. Was probably "off his meds", very paranoid.
> His webpages detailed the war he'd been having with the authorities in
> a subsidized living building and showed the destruction. He refused to
> allow entry to repair the damages.
> He was in UK. I felt badly for him, however there was nothing any of
> us could do to help.
> I suspect he passed away, probably Marchish or earlier, probably alone
> and scared.
> His webpage has no updates for this year.
>
> there's one in our neighbourhood. Adult. he's got a police curfew and
> his parents (try to) keep him on a "short leash".
> It's a sad future for the severely autistic.

I don't think you truly get the severity of Angelman Syndrome.

Firstly, though, I am not putting down or denigrating Autism: Every
person's situation can be their own private hell.

A child born with AS, especially deletion positive AS, needs 24/7 care
for the rest of their lives. I *know* about "not getting a break". AS
children are highly seizure prone - with many having dozens or hundreds
of seizures per day. My son, fortunately, only seems to have about 6 per
year (knock on wood), but that can change at any time. Many angels die
from their seizures. In fact, in the last three days, one angel on the
support list passed away when she got out of the house and got wedged
between a boat and a dock - Another angel right now is in intensive care
- Her seizures are so bad they're trying to induce her into a coma to
give her heart and brain a break, but the poor little girl won't induce.
The mother has told the list they expect her to die any time now - her
heart won't take it.

My son has been under a general anaesthetic six times now (not including
other surgeries) for dentistry. It is the *only* way dental work - even
teeth cleaning - can be done.
His first four years of life, he was fed by GJ tube, because he would
vomit absolutely everything that went into his little body. He was born
5lbs, 6 oz - When they finally put him on the tube, he was 3 lbs, 8 oz.
(That, by the way, was the second time they said he wouldn't live out the
week)

Liam likes to bang his head - hard. Against wood, concrete, glass, metal
- you name it. You can imagine (or perhaps you can't) finding your own
child bloodied because they've smashed their head into the floor
repeatedly for whatever reason it is he does it.

I could go on and on and on. I *can* tell you that most of us on the AS
list would commit *murder* to switch our children from Angelman Syndrome
to severe autism. Just to be able to talk to our children. Hell, just to
be able to skip the three hours of screaming and crying and guessing to
figure out it's hunger, no it's thirst, no, it's a dirty bum, no, it's an
ulcer, no, it's a bad mood, ad infinitum. Just to be clear: If God
Himself said he'd change Liam from AS to autism, but it meant committing
murder on the person in front of me - and that person was you: I'd pull
the trigger in a *heartbeat*.

Ever dealt with a colicky or screaming baby ? Have you done it for two
hours in a row ? How about four ? What about eight hours straight ? Have
you done it for sixteen hours ? How about twenty four ? Have you ever
dealt with a screaming child for ***thirty-six hours straight*** ? How
about several times a year for the past ten years ? I have.

How about money ? Right now, a lot of his needs are met by the government
(that is - for programmes we qualify for and where there isn't a shortage
or when the wait list is less than two years) - At the age of eighteen,
however, all that changes. Most of his programmes disappear. The bigger
issue is what I said about 24/7 care *for the rest of his life*. While
there may be government run group homes for children like my son, those
are for the destitute or for the abandoned: In either case, they level of
care is questionable at best and outright horrid at worst.

It is estimated that he will need *at least* a million dollars for his
life-care from the age of eighteen until his death. Never mind that I
have two other children (one of whom is a type I diabetic - an expense
class all of it's own) and never mind that my wife and I will need to
retire at some point, as well.

My long-winded point is that I know damned well what it's like caring for
the *severely and multiply* handicapped. I *know* what a "tough life" is
- and I'm not saying that for pity's sake or for kudos - I'm saying that
because that piece of human excrement that society has chosen to call a
"mother" *chose* to let her son die. She didn't give *him* a choice - and
at eight years old, it's pretty damned tough to make an informed choice
on painful therapy or not, when the result means another seventy years of
life, when successful.

So yeah, I'm sitting here judging that miserable excuse for a human
being. I wish the father all the best in the world: I hope it is not too
late for the little boy. I also hope the woman gets thrown in a pit of
gang rapists or rabid rotweillers (or both) and left there to die. Hell,
I'd film and broadcast it and show it as a warning to all those who
choose to keep children just to get the child support payments but don't
have the cohones or even heart to actually take care of them.

I've known a couple of people who gave birth to severely handicapped
children who gave them up for adoption - they just couldn't handle it. I
have a helluva lot more respect for them because at least they gave their
kids a shot at a decent life, rather than botch it up themselves.

--
Marc Bissonnette
Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com
Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> fell face-first on the keyboard.
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>
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:j8Ubk.13159$xZ.1717@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...nying-son-chem
>> o/20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430
> Labrie declined comment to the Salem Evening News as she left court.
> Her lawyer, Kevin James, said Labrie had taken her son more than 100
> times to Massachusetts General Hospital and "has been extensively
> involved in this child's care."

A hundred times ? Big deal. Being "extremely involved" doesn't mean
skipping appointments designed to keep him alive.

One may skip a general checkup because you've got other priorities - She,
however, not only skipped a ton of the chemo appointments, but didn't fill
in his prescriptions, either. She *chose* to let him die.



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Marc Bissonnette wrote:

> A hundred times ? Big deal. Being "extremely involved" doesn't mean
> skipping appointments designed to keep him alive.

You haven't walked in her shoes.

> One may skip a general checkup because you've got other priorities - She,
> however, not only skipped a ton of the chemo appointments, but didn't fill
> in his prescriptions, either. She *chose* to let him die.

Some cancers aren't curable.
J

J <xnswex@nalid;"no> fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the
result: news:487228ED.9F1679F@execulink.com:

> Marc Bissonnette wrote:
>
>> A hundred times ? Big deal. Being "extremely involved" doesn't mean
>> skipping appointments designed to keep him alive.
>
> You haven't walked in her shoes.
>
>> One may skip a general checkup because you've got other priorities -
>> She, however, not only skipped a ton of the chemo appointments, but
>> didn't fill in his prescriptions, either. She *chose* to let him die.
>
> Some cancers aren't curable.

You want to advocate for a mother who chose to let her son die ?

Wow.


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Marc Bissonnette wrote:

> J <xnswex@nalid;"no> fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the
> result: news:487228ED.9F1679F@execulink.com:
>
> > Marc Bissonnette wrote:
> >
> >> A hundred times ? Big deal. Being "extremely involved" doesn't mean
> >> skipping appointments designed to keep him alive.
> >
> > You haven't walked in her shoes.
> >
> >> One may skip a general checkup because you've got other priorities -
> >> She, however, not only skipped a ton of the chemo appointments, but
> >> didn't fill in his prescriptions, either. She *chose* to let him die.
> >
> > Some cancers aren't curable.
>
> You want to advocate for a mother who chose to let her son die ?
>
> Wow.

That's your conclusion.
I'll wait for the court's conclusions.
J

"Marc Bissonnette" <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9AD447B211951dragnetinternalysisc@216.196. 97.131...
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> fell face-first on the keyboard.

Oh, really? You are a peeping Tom all the way from Canada?

> This was the result: news:8hhck.4428$np7.4101@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com:
>
>>
>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:j8Ubk.13159$xZ.1717@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>> http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...nying-son-chem
>>> o/20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430

Note the bit of dishonesty from an owner of a IPS.

http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...835x1200242430

>> Labrie declined comment to the Salem Evening News as she left court.
>> Her lawyer, Kevin James, said Labrie had taken her son more than 100
>> times to Massachusetts General Hospital and "has been extensively
>> involved in this child's care."
>
> A hundred times ? Big deal.

Were you there? Are you a mother?
Indeed it is a very big deal. But, then-how would you know?
Got any kids or, sick kids, Marc?

Being "extremely involved" doesn't mean
> skipping appointments designed to keep him alive.

*extensively*
>
> One may skip a general checkup because you've got other priorities - She,
> however, not only skipped a ton of the chemo appointments,

*a ton* ?

but didn't fill
> in his prescriptions, either. She *chose* to let him die.

*In your opinion*.

She did not choose any such thing.

Neither are prosecutors and police authories on medical matters.
Then, there is the cancer doc, who is of *organized medicine*.

Where was the Dad? Oh, yeah a bitter divorice?

>
>
>
> --
> Marc Bissonnette
> Looking for a new ISP?

No, and spam is not allowed.

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> fell face-first on the keyboard.
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>
> "Marc Bissonnette" <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9AD447B211951dragnetinternalysisc@216.196. 97.131...
>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> fell face-first on the keyboard.
>
> Oh, really? You are a peeping Tom all the way from Canada?
>
>> This was the result: news:8hhck.4428$np7.4101@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com:
>>
>>>
>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> news:j8Ubk.13159$xZ.1717@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>> http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...denying-son-ch
>>>> em o/20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430
>
> Note the bit of dishonesty from an owner of a IPS.
>
> http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...ying-son-chemo
> /20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430
>
>>> Labrie declined comment to the Salem Evening News as she left court.
>>> Her lawyer, Kevin James, said Labrie had taken her son more than 100
>>> times to Massachusetts General Hospital and "has been extensively
>>> involved in this child's care."
>>
>> A hundred times ? Big deal.
>
> Were you there? Are you a mother?
> Indeed it is a very big deal. But, then-how would you know?
> Got any kids or, sick kids, Marc?

http://www.armyofangels.org





> Being "extremely involved" doesn't mean
>> skipping appointments designed to keep him alive.
>
> *extensively*
>>
>> One may skip a general checkup because you've got other priorities -
>> She, however, not only skipped a ton of the chemo appointments,
>
> *a ton* ?
>
> but didn't fill
>> in his prescriptions, either. She *chose* to let him die.
>
> *In your opinion*.
>
> She did not choose any such thing.
>
> Neither are prosecutors and police authories on medical matters.
> Then, there is the cancer doc, who is of *organized medicine*.
>
> Where was the Dad? Oh, yeah a bitter divorice?
>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marc Bissonnette
>> Looking for a new ISP?
>
> No, and spam is not allowed.
>
>
>



--
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"Marc Bissonnette" <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9AD555D14644Adragnetinternalysisc@216.196. 97.131...
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> fell face-first on the keyboard.
> This was the result: news:dXCck.4550$np7.3585@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com:
>
>>
>> "Marc Bissonnette" <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9AD447B211951dragnetinternalysisc@216.196. 97.131...
>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> fell face-first on the keyboard.
>>
>> Oh, really? You are a peeping Tom all the way from Canada?
>>
>>> This was the result: news:8hhck.4428$np7.4101@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:j8Ubk.13159$xZ.1717@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>> http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...denying-son-ch
>>>>> em o/20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430
>>
>> Note the bit of dishonesty from an owner of a IPS.
>>
>> http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...ying-son-chemo
>> /20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430

And more dishohesty, or do you not know how to do a hyperlink?

http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...835x1200242430


>>
>>>> Labrie declined comment to the Salem Evening News as she left court.
>>>> Her lawyer, Kevin James, said Labrie had taken her son more than 100
>>>> times to Massachusetts General Hospital and "has been extensively
>>>> involved in this child's care."
>>>
>>> A hundred times ? Big deal.
>>
>> Were you there? Are you a mother?
>> Indeed it is a very big deal. But, then-how would you know?
>> Got any kids or, sick kids, Marc?
>
> http://www.armyofangels.org

Oh, dear God, so sorry to read this, Marc.
God Bless you, your wife and children.

Having said that, there is no reason to write what you wrote about the smart
remark.
>
>
>
>
>
>> Being "extremely involved" doesn't mean
>>> skipping appointments designed to keep him alive.
>>
>> *extensively*
>>>
>>> One may skip a general checkup because you've got other priorities -
>>> She, however, not only skipped a ton of the chemo appointments,
>>
>> *a ton* ?
>>
>> but didn't fill
>>> in his prescriptions, either. She *chose* to let him die.
>>
>> *In your opinion*.
>>
>> She did not choose any such thing.
>>
>> Neither are prosecutors and police authories on medical matters.
>> Then, there is the cancer doc, who is of *organized medicine*.
>>
>> Where was the Dad? Oh, yeah a bitter divorice?
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marc Bissonnette
>>> Looking for a new ISP?
>>
>> No, and spam is not allowed.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Marc Bissonnette
> Looking for a new ISP?
No, deleted spam. Not allowed on Google health newsgroups.

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>
> "Marc Bissonnette" <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9AD555D14644Adragnetinternalysisc@216.196. 97.131...
>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> fell face-first on the keyboard.
>> This was the result: news:dXCck.4550$np7.3585@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com:
>>
>>>
>>> "Marc Bissonnette" <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9AD447B211951dragnetinternalysisc@216.196. 97.131...
>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> fell face-first on the
>>>> keyboard.
>>>
>>> Oh, really? You are a peeping Tom all the way from Canada?
>>>
>>>> This was the result: news:8hhck.4428$np7.4101@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:j8Ubk.13159$xZ.1717@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>> http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...f-denying-son-
>>>>>> ch em o/20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430
>>>
>>> Note the bit of dishonesty from an owner of a IPS.

What, pray tell, is an "IPS" ?

If you meant "ISP", I am curious as to where on Earth you think I am the
owner of one.

Dishonesty ? If I knew where you lived, I'd consider sending you a copy
of Webster's dictionary.

>>> http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...enying-son-che
>>> mo /20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430
>
> And more dishohesty, or do you not know how to do a hyperlink?
>
> http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...ying-son-chemo
> /20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430

You may want to refresh your post reading skills - it was a quote from
someone else, not me typing in the URL.

>>>>> Labrie declined comment to the Salem Evening News as she left
>>>>> court. Her lawyer, Kevin James, said Labrie had taken her son more
>>>>> than 100 times to Massachusetts General Hospital and "has been
>>>>> extensively involved in this child's care."
>>>>
>>>> A hundred times ? Big deal.
>>>
>>> Were you there? Are you a mother?
>>> Indeed it is a very big deal. But, then-how would you know?
>>> Got any kids or, sick kids, Marc?
>>
>> http://www.armyofangels.org
>
> Oh, dear God, so sorry to read this, Marc.
> God Bless you, your wife and children.
>
> Having said that, there is no reason to write what you wrote about the
> smart remark.

What makes you think it was a "smart remark" ? Going to the hospital over
100 times for your child's treatment ? Like I said: Big Deal. I passed
that mark well before my son's first birthday, just to keep him alive.
Hell, I've passed that mark for my daughter, as well, as she's a type I
diabetic.

100 times ? Whoopdy freaking do.

Do you think I'd get a "get out of jail free" card if I stopped buying my
daughter insulin, just because I've had a hard life, or because she
doesn't like the four needles a day or the five or six finger pokes a day
? Do you think that the next time she goes into a hypoglycemic coma or
ketoacidosis that no one will put the blame on me for not calling the
ambulance because I thought I'd "end her pain".

What about my son, who cannot walk, who cannot talk and who will never,
EVER be on his own in his entire life - You think it would be okay to
simply sit back and let him seize to death because "it's been tough for
me" ? Maybe I should start leaving all the doors to the house unbarred so
he can get out and play in traffic - after all, in the village in which I
live, no one locks their doors - Why should my son have to inconvenience
me so ?

I hope and trust this woman will be charged with wilful neglect, child
endangerment and, God fobid, if the child dies, negligence causing death,
of not outright homicide.

>>> Being "extremely involved" doesn't mean
>>>> skipping appointments designed to keep him alive.
>>>
>>> *extensively*
>>>>
>>>> One may skip a general checkup because you've got other priorities
>>>> - She, however, not only skipped a ton of the chemo appointments,
>>>
>>> *a ton* ?
>>>
>>> but didn't fill
>>>> in his prescriptions, either. She *chose* to let him die.
>>>
>>> *In your opinion*.
>>>
>>> She did not choose any such thing.
>>>
>>> Neither are prosecutors and police authories on medical matters.
>>> Then, there is the cancer doc, who is of *organized medicine*.
>>>
>>> Where was the Dad? Oh, yeah a bitter divorice?

>>>> Marc Bissonnette
>>>> Looking for a new ISP?
>>>
>>> No, and spam is not allowed.

>> Marc Bissonnette
>> Looking for a new ISP?
> No, deleted spam. Not allowed on Google health newsgroups.

You need to educate yourself on some Internet basics.

This is not a "google health group", this is Usenet, for which Google is
but a web-based interface. I, for example, am reading this from the
*Usenet* newsgroup alt.support.cancer.

Secondly, a .sig is not spam. I would encourage you to google for
"usenet" and ".sig" and stop making yourself look so silly.

--
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Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com
Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.

HI Marc

arguing with Jan Drew is sorta like arguing with a no brain person

she loves to criticize...usuallly about things she knows very little about

you sound like a great Dad...hope your kids are doing OK



"Marc Bissonnette" <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9AD693B71C1F9dragnetinternalysisc@216.196. 97.131...
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> fell face-first on the keyboard.
> This was the result: news:vQXck.12203$89.4233@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
>>
>> "Marc Bissonnette" <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9AD555D14644Adragnetinternalysisc@216.196. 97.131...
>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> fell face-first on the keyboard.
>>> This was the result: news:dXCck.4550$np7.3585@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Marc Bissonnette" <dragnet\_@_/internalysis.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:Xns9AD447B211951dragnetinternalysisc@216.196. 97.131...
>>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> fell face-first on the
>>>>> keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, really? You are a peeping Tom all the way from Canada?
>>>>
>>>>> This was the result: news:8hhck.4428$np7.4101@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:j8Ubk.13159$xZ.1717@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>> http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...f-denying-son-
>>>>>>> ch em o/20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430
>>>>
>>>> Note the bit of dishonesty from an owner of a IPS.
>
> What, pray tell, is an "IPS" ?
>
> If you meant "ISP", I am curious as to where on Earth you think I am the
> owner of one.
>
> Dishonesty ? If I knew where you lived, I'd consider sending you a copy
> of Webster's dictionary.
>
>>>> http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...enying-son-che
>>>> mo /20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430
>>
>> And more dishohesty, or do you not know how to do a hyperlink?
>>
>> http://news.aol.com/health/story/ar/...ying-son-chemo
>> /20080703102809990001?icid=200100397x1205086835x120 0242430
>
> You may want to refresh your post reading skills - it was a quote from
> someone else, not me typing in the URL.
>
>>>>>> Labrie declined comment to the Salem Evening News as she left
>>>>>> court. Her lawyer, Kevin James, said Labrie had taken her son more
>>>>>> than 100 times to Massachusetts General Hospital and "has been
>>>>>> extensively involved in this child's care."
>>>>>
>>>>> A hundred times ? Big deal.
>>>>
>>>> Were you there? Are you a mother?
>>>> Indeed it is a very big deal. But, then-how would you know?
>>>> Got any kids or, sick kids, Marc?
>>>
>>> http://www.armyofangels.org
>>
>> Oh, dear God, so sorry to read this, Marc.
>> God Bless you, your wife and children.
>>
>> Having said that, there is no reason to write what you wrote about the
>> smart remark.
>
> What makes you think it was a "smart remark" ? Going to the hospital over
> 100 times for your child's treatment ? Like I said: Big Deal. I passed
> that mark well before my son's first birthday, just to keep him alive.
> Hell, I've passed that mark for my daughter, as well, as she's a type I
> diabetic.
>
> 100 times ? Whoopdy freaking do.
>
> Do you think I'd get a "get out of jail free" card if I stopped buying my
> daughter insulin, just because I've had a hard life, or because she
> doesn't like the four needles a day or the five or six finger pokes a day
> ? Do you think that the next time she goes into a hypoglycemic coma or
> ketoacidosis that no one will put the blame on me for not calling the
> ambulance because I thought I'd "end her pain".
>
> What about my son, who cannot walk, who cannot talk and who will never,
> EVER be on his own in his entire life - You think it would be okay to
> simply sit back and let him seize to death because "it's been tough for
> me" ? Maybe I should start leaving all the doors to the house unbarred so
> he can get out and play in traffic - after all, in the village in which I
> live, no one locks their doors - Why should my son have to inconvenience
> me so ?
>
> I hope and trust this woman will be charged with wilful neglect, child
> endangerment and, God fobid, if the child dies, negligence causing death,
> of not outright homicide.
>
>>>> Being "extremely involved" doesn't mean
>>>>> skipping appointments designed to keep him alive.
>>>>
>>>> *extensively*
>>>>>
>>>>> One may skip a general checkup because you've got other priorities
>>>>> - She, however, not only skipped a ton of the chemo appointments,
>>>>
>>>> *a ton* ?
>>>>
>>>> but didn't fill
>>>>> in his prescriptions, either. She *chose* to let him die.
>>>>
>>>> *In your opinion*.
>>>>
>>>> She did not choose any such thing.
>>>>
>>>> Neither are prosecutors and police authories on medical matters.
>>>> Then, there is the cancer doc, who is of *organized medicine*.
>>>>
>>>> Where was the Dad? Oh, yeah a bitter divorice?
>
>>>>> Marc Bissonnette
>>>>> Looking for a new ISP?
>>>>
>>>> No, and spam is not allowed.
>
>>> Marc Bissonnette
>>> Looking for a new ISP?
>> No, deleted spam. Not allowed on Google health newsgroups.
>
> You need to educate yourself on some Internet basics.
>
> This is not a "google health group", this is Usenet, for which Google is
> but a web-based interface. I, for example, am reading this from the
> *Usenet* newsgroup alt.support.cancer.
>
> Secondly, a .sig is not spam. I would encourage you to google for
> "usenet" and ".sig" and stop making yourself look so silly.
>
> --
> Marc Bissonnette
> Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com
> Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.

<Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the
result: news:Z68dk.10118$LG4.6089@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com:

> HI Marc
>
> arguing with Jan Drew is sorta like arguing with a no brain person
>
> she loves to criticize...usuallly about things she knows very little
> about
>
> you sound like a great Dad...hope your kids are doing OK

Thanks, Hawk;

I was going to let it go, but you know, people who make arguments for
letting parents off who abuse or outright kill their kids just sickens
me.

We all (parents, that is) made a choice when we chose to become parents -
Specifically, we chose to make sacrifices until and if our children
become able and cabable of looking out for their own best interests.

That means if you're into booze and dope, not drinking and drugging
around the kids (or if you're going to be responsible for them) - If
you're down to your last $20 and it's a choice of diapers and formula or
sirloin steaks, you choose the diapers and formula.

That list goes on and on - You don't need me to reiterate the painfully
obvious

One thing that I don't think many think of, though (because most of us
don't *have* to think about it) - is the one other big obligation and
responsibility: If we, the parents, know that we *cannot* take care of
our kids - be it through inability, lack of will or circumstances beyond
our control, then it behooves us, for our children, to transfer their
care to those that can.

What this also means is that our elected representatives - i.e. those
that make the laws - recognize this, as well - If we're incapable or
unwilling to make that decision, then the government will step in and
make it for us.

I.e.: If I am starving my kids to death because I don't have any money,
if they are suffering because I am not getting them medication or they
are being mistreated because I'm a moron, they'll take them away from me
to ensure that _THEY_ have the best chance at life.

I'm not looking for brownie points or pats on the back, but I've
***BEEN*** in that situation the mother in this story was in. I was told
*twice* that my son was not going to live until the end of the week. I
spent most of the first two years of his life up with him at night to
make sure he didn't choke on his own vomit because he threw up
*everything* that went into him - even sips of water and certainly
formula and breastmilk. If you haven't been through it, it's hard to
explain just how tired, nay, *exhausted* you become when the little guy
you love the most has been screaming - not crying, not moaning, but
*screaming* for 36 hours *straight*.

I couldn't begin to tell you the *tens of thousands* (Well, maybe
thousands and thousands - I honestly don't keep track anymore) of dollars
in food alone that's either been vomited up or simply crumbled up and
thrown across the floor. That happens to this day, simply because my
little guy is the way that he is - When he cries, it's a guessing game as
to whether he's hungry, thirsty, wet bum, in pain, bored - whatever - He
doesn't talk. He doesn't even have consistant signals or signs for what
it is he wants.

Anyway - my point being: My son has gone through a *lot* in his ten short
years of life. Certainly a helluva lot more than I've gone through with
cancer and, truth be told, he's the main reason I don't feel sorry for
myself: I just have to look at him to realize what a fighter *really* is.

He's a happy, joyful little guy that brings *incredible* happiness to
those around him today - Imagine if I'd given up like this "mother" did
so many years ago ? From a completely selfish point of view, where would
I be if Liam weren't around to keep me straight and level ? Coming out of
surgery in December with a big honkin' hole through my skull to my brain,
who's to say the thought of "Well, we gave up on Liam, because it was
easier that way, maybe I should just do the same..."

Anyway: I've learned a lot about cancer in the last six months. With a
30% recurrence chance, along with the fact that when they opened me up,
they weren't even *looking* for cancer, dealing with the end game and the
therapies to avoid or prolong it is certainly something I've also been
doing a lot of learning about. A few months of pain or discomfort, if it
means survival - which in this boy's case certainly *was* the case - is
well worth it for a lifetime ahead.

--
Marc Bissonnette
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continued good luck to you and your family

sounds like you are doing a great job


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