New Cancer Drug Costs More Than $4,200 Per DOSE

http://www.mercola.com/2006/oct/19/n...0-per-dose.htm

New Cancer Drug Costs More Than $4,200 Per DOSE

http://www.mercola.com/2006/jul/29/e...onth_drugs.htm

Exploiting Cancer Patients With $10,000-a-Month Drugs

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.mercola.com/2006/oct/19/n...0-per-dose.htm
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> New Cancer Drug Costs More Than $4,200 Per DOSE

That's cheap

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> http://www.mercola.com/2006/jul/29/e...onth_drugs.htm
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> Exploiting Cancer Patients With $10,000-a-Month Drugs
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"Steph" <steph@vancouvers.island> wrote in message
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> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>> http://www.mercola.com/2006/oct/19/n...0-per-dose.htm
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>> New Cancer Drug Costs More Than $4,200 Per DOSE
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> That's cheap

Is it? Per dose.

Jeff was psting about the awful cost of an alternative for ADHD.
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>> http://www.mercola.com/2006/jul/29/e...onth_drugs.htm
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>> Exploiting Cancer Patients With $10,000-a-Month Drugs
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Jan Drew wrote:
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> > "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> >> http://www.mercola.com/2006/oct/19/n...0-per-dose.htm
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> >> New Cancer Drug Costs More Than $4,200 Per DOSE
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> > That's cheap
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> Is it? Per dose.
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> Jeff was psting about the awful cost of an alternative for ADHD.
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> >> http://www.mercola.com/2006/jul/29/e...onth_drugs.htm
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> >> Exploiting Cancer Patients With $10,000-a-Month Drugs
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Seeing as some cancer drugs get a usable yield of less than 1% from the
reaction used to create them, then yes it is cheap per dose! How much
is your life worth?

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

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>http://www.mercola.com/2006/oct/19/n...0-per-dose.htm
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>New Cancer Drug Costs More Than $4,200 Per DOSE
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>http://www.mercola.com/2006/jul/29/e...onth_drugs.htm
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>Exploiting Cancer Patients With $10,000-a-Month Drugs
>

Better to let them die, isn't it, Jan?
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On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 04:32:44 GMT, Peter Bowditch
<myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrotF:

>"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>>http://www.mercola.com/2006/oct/19/n...0-per-dose.htm
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>>New Cancer Drug Costs More Than $4,200 Per DOSE
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>>http://www.mercola.com/2006/jul/29/e...onth_drugs.htm
>>
>>Exploiting Cancer Patients With $10,000-a-Month Drugs
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>
>Better to let them die, isn't it, Jan?


"Patients frequently want the newest and most expensive drugs and
medical devices, and insurers rarely deny coverage for new treatments
on the basis of price. As a result, the cost of health care coverage
has been on the rise at a rapid pace. Cancer drugs in particular have
undergone giant price increases. Worldwide, spending on cancer drugs
is expected to hit $55 billion by 2009."

Hmmmm. Let's see... If we used the money we've spent thusfar in Iraq
on cancer drugs we could treat all the world's cancer patients for
about 5 years for free!

But, I'll admit it ... most of that treatment would be a waste of time
and money. Either way we lose.

Just bitchin'

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>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>>> http://www.mercola.com/2006/oct/19/n...0-per-dose.htm
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>>> New Cancer Drug Costs More Than $4,200 Per DOSE
>>
>> That's cheap
>
> Is it? Per dose.
>
> Jeff was psting about the awful cost of an alternative for ADHD.

Actually, I was commenting on the profit motive of a company. If a treatment
really worked for ADHD that cost $4000, that would be money well spent.
However, the web page of a for-profit company doesn't really count as
evidence, any more than it would for a drug company.

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>>> http://www.mercola.com/2006/jul/29/e...onth_drugs.htm
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>>> Exploiting Cancer Patients With $10,000-a-Month Drugs
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<TheAmazingGuffy@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Seeing as some cancer drugs get a usable yield of less than 1% from the
> reaction used to create them, then yes it is cheap per dose! How much
> is your life worth?

Not to mention that it costs the drug companies hundreds of millions of
dollars to bring a drug to market.

Jeff

"Jeff" <jeff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> <TheAmazingGuffy@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Seeing as some cancer drugs get a usable yield of less than 1% from the
>> reaction used to create them, then yes it is cheap per dose! How much
>> is your life worth?
>
> Not to mention that it costs the drug companies hundreds of millions of
> dollars to bring a drug to market.
>
> Jeff
>
But--you thought it was terrible for a $4000.00 alternative for ADHD.

I can only conclue that you push drugs.

Sad that.

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>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> http://www.mercola.com/2006/oct/19/n...0-per-dose.htm
>>>>
>>>> New Cancer Drug Costs More Than $4,200 Per DOSE
>>>
>>> That's cheap
>>
>> Is it? Per dose.
>>
>> Jeff was psting about the awful cost of an alternative for ADHD.
>
> Actually, I was commenting on the profit motive of a company. If a
> treatment really worked for ADHD that cost $4000, that would be money well
> spent. However, the web page of a for-profit company doesn't really count
> as evidence, any more than it would for a drug company.

The evidence was clearly there. You dismissed it.
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.mercola.com/2006/jul/29/e...onth_drugs.htm
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>>>> Exploiting Cancer Patients With $10,000-a-Month Drugs
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> "Jeff" <jeff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> <TheAmazingGuffy@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1162784020.160947.48900@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> <...>
>>
>>> Seeing as some cancer drugs get a usable yield of less than 1% from the
>>> reaction used to create them, then yes it is cheap per dose! How much
>>> is your life worth?
>>
>> Not to mention that it costs the drug companies hundreds of millions of
>> dollars to bring a drug to market.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
> But--you thought it was terrible for a $4000.00 alternative for ADHD.
>
> I can only conclue that you push drugs.


and I can only conclude...by your own admission that you are taking
Nardil..a dated and dangerous drug for your headaches....and are "down" to
two pain pills per day...

pushing drugs?? only OK for Janster

sad that
>
> Sad that.
>

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> "Jeff" <jeff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> <TheAmazingGuffy@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1162784020.160947.48900@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> <...>
>>
>>> Seeing as some cancer drugs get a usable yield of less than 1% from the
>>> reaction used to create them, then yes it is cheap per dose! How much
>>> is your life worth?
>>
>> Not to mention that it costs the drug companies hundreds of millions of
>> dollars to bring a drug to market.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
> But--you thought it was terrible for a $4000.00 alternative for ADHD.
>
> I can only conclue that you push drugs.
>
> Sad that.

It is sad that that is the only conclusion that you can make. This is not a
sign of mental flexibility or imagination.

I didn't think that $4000 is a lot of money for an effective treatment for
ADHD, medical or otherwise.

However, $4000 is a lot of money to waste on an unproven treatment. An
advertisement on a for-profit company's website is not a good form of
evidence that it works. Research by an independent group comparing it to no
treatment or a proven treatment, preferably published in a peer-reviewed
journal would be good evidence.

Jeff

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> The evidence was clearly there. You dismissed it.

The evidence was an adveritisment on a for-profit company's website. That's
why I dismissed it.

Unless you are able to make an intelligent statement in this thread, I won't
respond to you anymore.

Jeff

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>> "Jeff" <jeff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> <TheAmazingGuffy@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1162784020.160947.48900@h48g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>>> <...>
>>>
>>>> Seeing as some cancer drugs get a usable yield of less than 1% from the
>>>> reaction used to create them, then yes it is cheap per dose! How much
>>>> is your life worth?
>>>
>>> Not to mention that it costs the drug companies hundreds of millions of
>>> dollars to bring a drug to market.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>> But--you thought it was terrible for a $4000.00 alternative for ADHD.
>>
>> I can only conclue that you push drugs.
>>
>> Sad that.
>
> It is sad that that is the only conclusion that you can make. This is not
> a sign of mental flexibility or imagination.
>
> I didn't think that $4000 is a lot of money for an effective treatment
> for ADHD, medical or otherwise.
>
> However, $4000 is a lot of money to waste on an unproven treatment. An
> advertisement on a for-profit company's website is not a good form of
> evidence that it works. Research by an independent group comparing it to
> no treatment or a proven treatment, preferably published in a
> peer-reviewed journal would be good evidence.
>
> Jeff
>
There indeed were improvements, and research.
Ye old *advertisemen* is worn out and an excuse from those like you.
I have posted about peer-reviewed.

notkidsdoc, Jeffrey Peter, MD, Jeff P. Utz MD.

You have failed in reponsing to that.

Steph wrote:
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote...
>> http://www.mercola.com/2006/oct/19/n...0-per-dose.htm
>>
>> New Cancer Drug Costs More Than $4,200 Per DOSE
>
> That's cheap

<http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061001/ZNYT01/610010480/1002/business>
"CHARGING $4,200 a dose for a new version of an old cancer drug has
helped make Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong a billionaire."

If this stuff had been sold for five years or more, it's *still* grossly
overpriced if this doctor could become a billionaire from the sales,
even if the company that made the stuff was his sole proprietorship.

One might say it's cheap in the sense that saving a life (which this does
NOT do) is worth anything, but even so, 100,000%+ profit margins are
just outright greed and opportunism.

--
"A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and
woods, but it is a principle; and patriotism is loyalty to that principle."
-- George William Curtis

Peter Bowditch wrote:
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>New Cancer Drug Costs More Than $4,200 Per DOSE
>
> Better to let them die, isn't it, Jan?

Far better than either would be for the drug companies to be limited to
no more than 2,000% markup.

--
"A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and
woods, but it is a principle; and patriotism is loyalty to that principle."
-- George William Curtis

Somewhere in Tampa Bay is a pharmaceutical executive sitting in the back of his
yacht, sipping on a martini. I kinda think that somehow I supplied the olive.



On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:58:55 -0600, clifto <clifto@gmail.com> wrote:

>Peter Bowditch wrote:
>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>New Cancer Drug Costs More Than $4,200 Per DOSE
>>
>> Better to let them die, isn't it, Jan?
>
>Far better than either would be for the drug companies to be limited to
>no more than 2,000% markup.


Grateful to be back.

Eddie MD OTF