Not The Iron

On May 24, 11:55*am, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:iron
deficiency <<

The standard test of ferritin does not tell you whether or not you
are
iron deficient.
It is unreliable and the consequences are a .. killer.
They give you iron and you die.


"Ferritin concentration may not reflect sequestered stores of iron"


Who loves ya.
Tom


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> What an excellent reflection of your problem. You want to
> wave the "iron overload" flag, but are disdainful of the inherent
> pathophysiology underlying the condition.
> Perhaps you can eventually recognize that most of the people
> on your crossposted newsgroups also hold a valid disdain of
> you, because all you can do is mouth the words.
>
> As an aside, I remember a toy that was popular a few years ago.
> It was called the "Slinkey". It wasn't really good for anything,
> except
> to provide amusement in watching it fall down the steps. I recall the
> days of the Slinkey when I see your posts.
>
> On May 24, 10:25 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 24, 4:02 am, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > *He sees pathophysiology as boring, <<
>
> > There is something WRONG with not liking this 'stuff' is there .. ?
>
> > One might think my dislike for this stuff is SHARED by alot of people
> > ON these lists ..
>
> > You believe all the people are .. what .. ? .. missing something.. ?
>
> > You believe there is some sort of inherent .. what .. ? ..TO .. liking
> > this sht .. ?
>
> > Heh .. heh ..
>
> > Yeah .. being a fkg .. dweeb ..- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

"ironjustice" <teamtanner@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 24, 10:10 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking>
wrote:contribute <<

You forgot your word .. onus ..

I don't have to contribute to my thread .. at .. all ..

You understand how that .. works .. man ..

Do ya .. ?

The question is .. logic ..

Logic ..

YOU do not USE .. logic ..

Soooo .. contribute .. something ..

Try to use .. the word .. logic .. IN ..your contribution .. ?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Logically by your own admission you have absolutely no personal experience
of
anything medical.

Those of us who do see your theories disproved on a daily basis.
What you propose seems like a plausible idea, but simply doesn't fit the
established facts on so many levels. But then again, by your own admission,
you have no education on anything medical.


Your posts here and elsewhere achieve absolutely nothing.

The medical professionals who you simultaneously quote and despise can see
the flaws in your logic and do not take you seriously (despite giving you so
many chances).

Those who are ill soon learn to treat your posts with contempt when they see
your style of "discussion".


Get a hobby - your life would be so much more constructively employed.

On May 24, 4:23*pm, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:iron
deficiency <<

The standard test of ferritin does not tell you whether or not you
are
iron deficient.
It is unreliable and the consequences are a .. killer.
They give you iron and you die.


"Ferritin concentration may not reflect sequestered stores of iron"


Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh


Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

> "ironjustice" <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7cf72666-65b4-4d8a-8222-79a033caafcb@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On May 24, 10:10 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking>
> wrote:contribute <<
>
> You forgot your word .. onus ..
>
> I don't have to contribute to my thread .. at .. all ..
>
> You understand how that .. works .. man ..
>
> Do ya .. ?
>
> The question is .. logic ..
>
> Logic ..
>
> YOU do not USE .. logic ..
>
> Soooo .. contribute .. something ..
>
> Try to use .. the word .. logic .. IN ..your contribution .. ?
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----------------------
>
> Logically by your own admission you have absolutely no personal experience
> of
> anything medical.
>
> Those of us who do see your theories disproved on a daily basis.
> What you propose seems like a plausible idea, but simply doesn't fit the
> established facts on so many levels. But then again, by your own admission,
> you have no education on anything medical.
>
> Your posts here and elsewhere achieve absolutely nothing.
>
> The medical professionals who you simultaneously quote and despise can see
> the flaws in your logic and do not take you seriously (despite giving you so
> many chances).
>
> Those who are ill soon learn to treat your posts with contempt when they see
> your style of "discussion".
>
> Get a hobby - your life would be so much more constructively employed.

"ironjustice" <teamtanner@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 24, 4:23 pm, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:iron
deficiency <<


"Ferritin concentration may not reflect sequestered stores of iron"
__________________________________________________ ____

Why do you keep posting this line?

I don't disagree with it at all, only with your interpretation of it.
But then I answer my own question.

You keep posting it because you don't understand it.

Tommy, by your own admission you have absolutely no personal experience of
anything medical.


Those of us who do see your theories disproved on a daily basis.
What you propose seems like a plausible idea, but simply doesn't fit the
established facts on so many levels. But then again, by your own admission,
you have no education on anything medical.


Your posts here and elsewhere achieve absolutely nothing.

The medical professionals who you simultaneously quote and despise can see
the flaws in your logic and do not take you seriously (despite giving you so
many chances).

Those who are ill soon learn to treat your posts with contempt when they see
your style of "discussion".


Get a hobby - your life would be so much more constructively employed.

On May 24, 4:47*pm, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: You
keep posting it because you don't understand it. <<

"It is unreliable and the consequences are they give you iron when
you
have aplastic anemia and you die."

I think it is you who don't seem to understand a simple sentence.

How about the part of iron chelation CURES him of his aplastic
anemia .. ?
It is only a ten sentence article.
Are you able to understand .. that .. ?


The first article is 24 years old.
Gave you plenty of time.
It is only a ten sentence article.

You STILL say .. "ferritin is a reliable marker to use" ..

"It is unreliable and the consequences are they give you iron and you
die."

You should kinda get your sht together seeing you purport to be some
kind of pathology .. interested .. guy ..
The standard test of ferritin does not tell you whether or not you
are iron deficient.
It is unreliable and the consequences are a .. killer.
They give you iron and you die.


"Ferritin concentration may not reflect sequestered stores of iron"




Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh


Man Is A Herbivore!
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk



> "ironjustice" <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c5e94f90-bba8-44aa-8e24-031953040e21@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On May 24, 4:23 pm, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:iron
> deficiency <<
>
> "Ferritin concentration may not reflect sequestered stores of iron"
> __________________________________________________ ____
>
> Why do you keep posting this line?
>
> I don't disagree with it at all, only with your interpretation of it.
> But then I answer my own question.
>
> You keep posting it because you don't understand it.
>
> Tommy, by your own admission you have absolutely no personal experience of
> anything medical.
>
> Those of us who do see your theories disproved on a daily basis.
> What you propose seems like a plausible idea, but simply doesn't fit the
> established facts on so many levels. But then again, by your own admission,
> you have no education on anything medical.
>
> Your posts here and elsewhere achieve absolutely nothing.
>
> The medical professionals who you simultaneously quote and despise can see
> the flaws in your logic and do not take you seriously (despite giving you so
> many chances).
>
> Those who are ill soon learn to treat your posts with contempt when they see
> your style of "discussion".
>
> Get a hobby - your life would be so much more constructively employed.

The funny thing is that what you are saying is well acknowledged.
That's why there is research showing alternate schemes for iron
assay. Such as in the proteins.
Is that what you've been trying to say, as if everybody that knows
how to read a research article didn't already know it?
My concern is that you, as Health Research Analyst, or whatever,
have shown a failure to grasp details that should have been apparent
to the reader. Including your disdain for going below the surface for
the relevant details.


On May 24, 7:14 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 24, 11:55 am, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:iron
> deficiency <<
>
> The standard test of ferritin does not tell you whether or not you
> are
> iron deficient.
> It is unreliable and the consequences are a .. killer.
> They give you iron and you die.
>
> "Ferritin concentration may not reflect sequestered stores of iron"
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom

On May 24, 7:08*pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:iron
deficiency <<

The standard test of ferritin does not tell you whether or not you
are
iron deficient.
It is unreliable and the consequences are a .. killer.
They give you iron and you die.


"Ferritin concentration may not reflect sequestered stores of iron"


Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh


Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

"ironjustice" <teamtanner@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 24, 4:47 pm, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking>


You STILL say .. "ferritin is a reliable marker to use" ..


"Ferritin concentration may not reflect sequestered stores of iron"

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Again I ask you to say where I said that.
I agree with you. How many times do you want me to say that.

It's what you deduce from the posting that is drivel, not those statements.
Your logic is akin to saying 1 + 1 =2 therefore black = white.

On May 25, 3:03 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote: I agree
with you. How many times do you want me to say that. <<

Soooo .. your 'reason' for being here .. are .. ?

No reason whatsoever .. ?

Heh .. heh ..

Here is a description of YOUR being on MY threads ..

"The kind of things they say are utterly stupid and the reason why
they resort to these tactics is because they have nothing else to say.
They have no arguments, reason, justification, they have no scientific
basis."

"Ferritin concentration may not reflect sequestered stores of iron"

You agree .. ?
Then .. stfu ..

Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
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Man Is A Herbivore!
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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> "ironjustice" <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:de1a5be1-f18f-4ebf-9bba-dc048de0de99@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 24, 4:47 pm, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking>
>
> You STILL say .. "ferritin is a reliable marker to use" ..
>
> "Ferritin concentration may not reflect sequestered stores of iron"
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*---------------
>
> Again I ask you to say where I said that.
> I agree with you. How many times do you want me to say that.
>
> It's what you deduce from the posting that is drivel, not those statements..
> Your logic is akin to saying 1 + 1 =2 therefore black = white.

"ironjustice" <ironjustice@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Ferritin concentration may not reflect sequestered stores of iron"

You agree .. ?
Then .. stfu ..
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'll give you a hint: explain the word "sequestered"
(this is getting painful...)

On May 25, 8:51*am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:I'll
give you a hint: explain the word "sequestered"
(this is getting painful...) <<

Let me dumb it down for you .. really dumb it down ..

They cannot determine how much iron there is in the human body at any
given time.

How about that ..

Is that .. clear .. enough for ya .. ?

Is it .. ?

And **anyone** who says they can .. is a fkg .. liar ..

Who loves ya.
Tom


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> "ironjustice" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0afce419-4fdc-4b55-92b6-09ec2a82f9e2@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> "Ferritin concentration may not reflect sequestered stores of iron"
>
> You agree .. ?
> Then .. stfu ..
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*--------------------------
>
> I'll give you a hint: explain the word "sequestered"
> (this is getting painful...)

"ironjustice" <ironjustice@aol.com> wrote in message
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On May 25, 8:51 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:I'll
give you a hint: explain the word "sequestered"
(this is getting painful...) <<

Let me dumb it down for you .. really dumb it down ..

They cannot determine how much iron there is in the human body at any
given time.

How about that ..

Is that .. clear .. enough for ya .. ?

Is it .. ?

And **anyone** who says they can .. is a fkg .. liar ..

__________________________________________________ _

No - you've missed the point again Tom. s-e-q-u-e-s-t-e-r-e-d.
Perhaps you'd read it better if it had dots but no vowels?

On May 25, 9:38*am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:No -
you've missed the point again Tom. s-e-q-u-e-s-t-e-r-e-d. <<

You think sequestered is not iron .. ?

What do you think sequestered iron is .. ?

Nickel ..?

A nickel is magnetic .. ?

Is that what makes you think sequestered iron is nickel .. ?

You are wrong ..

Sequestered iron is still .. iron..

Otherwise it is transmutation ..

Can you transmute .. there .. buddy .. ?

Are you an alchemist .. ?

No ..?

Then fo..


Who loves ya.
Tom


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Man Is A Herbivore!
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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They cannot determine how much iron there is in the human body at any
> given time.

> "ironjustice" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f69c189b-f4a6-4c17-bd26-f69d46ac2ea6@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On May 25, 8:51 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:I'll
> give you a hint: explain the word "sequestered"
> (this is getting painful...) <<
>
> Let me dumb it down for you .. really dumb it down ..
>
> They cannot determine how much iron there is in the human body at any
> given time.
>
> How about that ..
>
> Is that .. clear .. enough for ya .. ?
>
> Is it .. ?
>
> And **anyone** who says they can .. is a fkg .. liar ..
>
> __________________________________________________ _
>
> No - you've missed the point again Tom. s-e-q-u-e-s-t-e-r-e-d.
> Perhaps you'd read it better if it had dots but no vowels?

"ironjustice" <ironjustice@aol.com> wrote in message
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On May 25, 9:38 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:No -
you've missed the point again Tom. s-e-q-u-e-s-t-e-r-e-d. <<


Sequestered iron is still .. iron..

Otherwise it is transmutation ..

Can you transmute .. there .. buddy .. ?

Are you an alchemist .. ?

_________________________________________________

Tommy, by your own admission you have absolutely no personal experience of
anything medical.


Those of us who do see your theories disproved on a daily basis.
What you propose seems like a plausible idea, but simply doesn't fit the
established facts on so many levels. But then again, by your own admission,
you have no education on anything medical.


Your posts here and elsewhere achieve absolutely nothing.

The medical professionals who you simultaneously quote and despise can see
the flaws in your logic and do not take you seriously (despite giving you so
many chances).

Those who are ill soon learn to treat your posts with contempt when they see
your style of "discussion".


Get a hobby - your life would be so much more constructively employed.

On May 25, 10:13*am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:
<<snip>> <<

You got a **reason** .. other .. than to try to berate .. **me** ..
ON . this thread about .. iron .. ?

Do ya .. ?

You have been saying the same thing for years ..

You are getting kinda .. old ..

You know that .. ?

Maybe you should try to prove one of my studies .. wrong ..

That would be novel ..

Novel has many different .. meanings ..

I believe you have read to many .. novels .. which has made you a ..
novel .. and so NOW .. I will leave you with your NEW .. novel .. to
use ..

By the time we're done .. you will BE .. the word ..

Now once again .. hit the fkg .. road .. dweeb ..


Who loves ya.
Tom


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> "ironjustice" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:370f2ad7-68cc-4c7e-b438-eafed179c84e@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On May 25, 9:38 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:No -
> you've missed the point again Tom. s-e-q-u-e-s-t-e-r-e-d. <<
>
> Sequestered iron is still .. iron..
>
> Otherwise it is transmutation ..
>
> Can you transmute .. there .. buddy .. ?
>
> Are you an alchemist .. ?
>
> _________________________________________________
>
> Tommy, by your own admission you have absolutely no personal experience of
> anything medical.
>
> Those of us who do see your theories disproved on a daily basis.
> What you propose seems like a plausible idea, but simply doesn't fit the
> established facts on so many levels. But then again, by your own admission,
> you have no education on anything medical.
>
> Your posts here and elsewhere achieve absolutely nothing.
>
> The medical professionals who you simultaneously quote and despise can see
> the flaws in your logic and do not take you seriously (despite giving you so
> many chances).
>
> Those who are ill soon learn to treat your posts with contempt when they see
> your style of "discussion".
>
> Get a hobby - your life would be so much more constructively employed.

"ironjustice" <ironjustice@aol.com> wrote in message
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On May 25, 10:13 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:
<<snip>> <<

You got a **reason** .. other .. than to try to berate .. **me** ..
ON . this thread about .. iron .. ?

Do ya .. ?

You have been saying the same thing for years ..

You are getting kinda .. old ..

You know that .. ?

Maybe you should try to prove one of my studies .. wrong ..

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Your" studies?

Anyway, it's not the articles that you post that are wrong, it's your
interpretation of them.

Now that's been proved wrong comprehensively so many times.

And, as a matter of fact, I do *try* not to berate you, but it's difficult
not to descend to your level.

On May 25, 10:58*am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:Anyway,
it's not the articles that you post that are wrong, it's
yourinterpretation of them. <<

"I agree with you. How many times do you want me to say that."

"The kind of things they say are utterly stupid."

Now WHAT are you doing on THIS thread again .. ?

"The reason why they resort to these tactics is because they have
nothing else to say. They have no arguments, reason, justification,
they have no scientific
basis."


Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh


Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk




> "ironjustice" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:18b91087-4852-4e3a-a8f9-ce03c90f209f@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 25, 10:13 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:
> <<snip>> <<
>
> You got a **reason** .. other .. than to try to berate .. **me** ..
> ON . this thread about .. iron .. ?
>
> Do ya .. ?
>
> You have been saying the same thing for years ..
>
> You are getting kinda .. old ..
>
> You know that .. ?
>
> Maybe you should try to prove one of my studies .. wrong ..
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----------
>
> "Your" studies?
>
> Anyway, it's not the articles that you post that are wrong, it's your
> interpretation of them.
>
> Now that's been proved wrong comprehensively so many times.
>
> And, as a matter of fact, I do *try* not to berate you, but it's difficult
> not to descend to your level.

Tom, you've missed the point again. You were asked to show that you
knew the word "sequestered", and you started telling about
transmutation.
Iron becoming nickel, silly stuff like that.

Sequestered iron is iron that for some reason has been physically set
aside from typical availability. That would include iron
biochemically
nonreactive or far less reactive. For example, iron can be deposited
in
cardiac tissue. Interestingly enough, a calcium channel blocker such
as Verapamil can be used to stop that process, because after all, Ca+
is a metallic ion as well. Ooops, is that something beyond your
awareness? You ARE aware of the Periodic Table, I hope.
The spleen can have sequestered iron, too, not part of the serum
ferritin assay, deposited in the spleen during breakdown of RBC's.
Or it can be deposited in the liver, the bones, wherever. Sequestered
iron is what "rusts you out", and is not accurately assessed through
standard diagnostics. But this is not new information that the medical
community was trying to keep a secret till you came along. Transferrin
saturation evaluation was being advocated over a decade ago, it's not
like it's a groundbreaking revelation.
Big thing is that those with hemochromatosis usually don't know it,
because the doctors frequently share your disdain for
pathophysiology.
Such things as Cytochrome P450 are just not within their daily scope.
Same for other pathophysiology that you find equally **boring**.. But
I'll
bet they somewhat understand sequestered iron, which puts them at
least one step above you, twerp.

On May 25, 12:51 pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 25, 9:38 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:No -
> you've missed the point again Tom. s-e-q-u-e-s-t-e-r-e-d. <<
>
> You think sequestered is not iron .. ?
>
> What do you think sequestered iron is .. ?
>
> Nickel ..?
>
> A nickel is magnetic .. ?
>
> Is that what makes you think sequestered iron is nickel .. ?
>
> You are wrong ..
>
> Sequestered iron is still .. iron..
>
> Otherwise it is transmutation ..
>
> Can you transmute .. there .. buddy .. ?
>
> Are you an alchemist .. ?
>
> No ..?
>
> Then fo..
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
> They cannot determine how much iron there is in the human body at any
>
> > given time.
> > "ironjustice" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:f69c189b-f4a6-4c17-bd26-f69d46ac2ea6@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> > On May 25, 8:51 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:I'll
> > give you a hint: explain the word "sequestered"
> > (this is getting painful...) <<
>
> > Let me dumb it down for you .. really dumb it down ..
>
> > They cannot determine how much iron there is in the human body at any
> > given time.
>
> > How about that ..
>
> > Is that .. clear .. enough for ya .. ?
>
> > Is it .. ?
>
> > And **anyone** who says they can .. is a fkg .. liar ..
>
> > __________________________________________________ _
>
> > No - you've missed the point again Tom. s-e-q-u-e-s-t-e-r-e-d.
> > Perhaps you'd read it better if it had dots but no vowels?

On May 25, 11:53*am, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:and is
not accurately assessed through standard diagnostics. <<

"They cannot determine"
"Not accurately assessed"

"The kind of things they say are utterly stupid."


Now WHAT are you doing on THIS thread again .. ?


"The reason why they resort to these tactics is because they have
nothing else to say. They have no arguments, reason, justification,
they have no scientific
basis."


Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh


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> Tom, you've missed the point again. You were asked to show that you
> knew the word "sequestered", and you started telling about
> transmutation.
> Iron becoming nickel, silly stuff like that.
>
> Sequestered iron is iron that for some reason has been physically set
> aside from typical availability. That would include iron
> biochemically
> nonreactive or far less reactive. For example, iron can be deposited
> in
> cardiac tissue. Interestingly enough, a calcium channel blocker such
> as Verapamil can be used to stop that process, because after all, Ca+
> is a metallic ion as well. Ooops, is that something beyond your
> awareness? You ARE aware of the Periodic Table, I hope.
> The spleen can have sequestered iron, too, not part of the serum
> ferritin assay, deposited in the spleen during breakdown of RBC's.
> Or it can be deposited in the liver, the bones, wherever. Sequestered
> iron is what "rusts you out", and is not accurately assessed through
> standard diagnostics. But this is not new information that the medical
> community was trying to keep a secret till you came along. Transferrin
> saturation evaluation was being advocated over a decade ago, it's not
> like it's a groundbreaking revelation.
> Big thing is that those with hemochromatosis usually don't know it,
> because the doctors frequently share your disdain for
> pathophysiology.
> Such things as Cytochrome P450 are just not within their daily scope.
> Same for other pathophysiology that you find equally **boring**.. But
> I'll
> bet they somewhat understand sequestered iron, which puts them at
> least one step above you, twerp.
>
> On May 25, 12:51 pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 25, 9:38 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:No -
> > you've missed the point again Tom. s-e-q-u-e-s-t-e-r-e-d. <<
>
> > You think sequestered is not iron .. ?
>
> > What do you think sequestered iron is .. ?
>
> > Nickel ..?
>
> > A nickel is magnetic .. ?
>
> > Is that what makes you think sequestered iron is nickel .. ?
>
> > You are wrong ..
>
> > Sequestered iron is still .. iron..
>
> > Otherwise it is transmutation ..
>
> > Can you transmute .. there .. buddy .. ?
>
> > Are you an alchemist .. ?
>
> > No ..?
>
> > Then fo..
>
> > Who loves ya.
> > Tom
>
> > Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> > Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
> > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
> > They cannot determine how much iron there is in the human body at any
>
> > > given time.
> > > "ironjustice" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:f69c189b-f4a6-4c17-bd26-f69d46ac2ea6@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com....
> > > On May 25, 8:51 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...@be.joking> wrote:I'll
> > > give you a hint: explain the word "sequestered"
> > > (this is getting painful...) <<
>
> > > Let me dumb it down for you .. really dumb it down ..
>
> > > They cannot determine how much iron there is in the human body at any
> > > given time.
>
> > > How about that ..
>
> > > Is that .. clear .. enough for ya .. ?
>
> > > Is it .. ?
>
> > > And **anyone** who says they can .. is a fkg .. liar ..
>
> > > __________________________________________________ _
>
> > > No - you've missed the point again Tom. s-e-q-u-e-s-t-e-r-e-d.
> > > Perhaps you'd read it better if it had dots but no vowels?- Hide quoted text -
>
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Tom, are you still in your basement room pissing on yourself?
You have missed the point yet again. You, sir, are the one with
nothing else to say. No argument, reason, justification, no
scientific
basis. The things you say are utterly stupid.
Go upstairs, thank your mother for having paid for another month of
internet access, take a walk on such a lovely day, and glance at the
McDonald's signs that say "Now Hiring". It's a start towards the rest
of your misbegotten life, and the closest you should ever get to the
health industry.

On May 25, 3:18 pm, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 25, 11:53 am, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:and is
> not accurately assessed through standard diagnostics. <<
>
> "They cannot determine"
> "Not accurately assessed"
>
> "The kind of things they say are utterly stupid."
>
> Now WHAT are you doing on THIS thread again .. ?
>
> "The reason why they resort to these tactics is because they have
> nothing else to say. They have no arguments, reason, justification,
> they have no scientific
> basis."
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom

On May 25, 12:42*pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:and is
not accurately assessed through standard diagnostics. <<

"They cannot determine"
"Not accurately assessed"


"The kind of things they say are utterly stupid."


Now WHAT are you doing on THIS thread again .. ?


"The reason why they resort to these tactics is because they have
nothing else to say. They have no arguments, reason, justification,
they have no scientific
basis."


Who loves ya.
Tom


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On May 20, 9:16*pm, "nanny" <gloria...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Actually, just for the record, I do NOT have iron overload; in fact,
just
learned from my bone marrow biopsy that my iron is low instead. *<<

"The iron is not accurately assessed through standard diagnostics."

"The spleen can have sequestered iron, too, not part of the serum
ferritin assay, deposited in the spleen during breakdown of RBC's.
Or it can be deposited in the liver, the bones, wherever. Sequestered
iron is what "rusts you out", and is not accurately assessed through
standard diagnostics."

Michael says .. if I interpreted / understand his scientific lingo ..
correctly ..

"The iron is not accurately assessed through standard diagnostics."

Something like the study says ..

IT says ..
"Iron deficiency CANNOT BE established by usual accepted criteria "


Who loves ya.
Tom


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>If it gets
> worse, or if I feel worse, he (Hematologist/Oncologist) said he will give me
> a shot of some kind. *Just FYI, not to contribute to the discussions going
> on here. *Nanny"Michael B" <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1930e267-8a7c-48ba-83a7-3049146ff34c@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > No, the medical study is not simple. You are.
>
> > On May 19, 11:37 pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> On May 19, 6:26 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> *No, you are wrong. It is not the iron. <<
>
> >> Now .. you specifically said .. "you are wrong"..
>
> >> Now that statement means to ME an unwillingness to accept a simple
> >> medical study for what it is ..- Hide quoted text -
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