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Old 11-07-2007, 10:30 PM
Obwon-Gandalf-Hope IV
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Default OH, WOW! Feds Now Say It's Okay (Kind Of) For You To Be FAT!

It had to come.

Every two to four months it seems the so-called "medical community"
comes out with a new "study" that panders either to slim freaks, or to
those whose weight tends to keep them seated.

Now, "federal researchers" say blubberous folks don't have to worry
too much anymore about getting cancer or heart disease from being what
they are. Despite previous information that said fat people were at
greater risk for those conditions!

So, mark February 1, 2008, on your calendar.

That's about the date you can look for a "later" study that states
being overweight DOES place people at more risk for cancer and heart
disease, and diabetes and kidney disease, too!

Best advice?

Stay tuned.

-------------------
"Being Overweight Isn't All Bad, Study Says"

"Carrying Excess Pounds Does Not Increase Risk of Dying from Cancer or
Heart Disease, Researchers Say"

By Rob Stein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 7, 2007; A01


Being overweight boosts the risk of dying from diabetes and kidney
disease but not cancer or heart disease, and carrying some extra
pounds actually appears to protect against a host of other causes of
death, federal researchers reported yesterday.

The counterintuitive findings, based on a detailed analysis of decades
of government data about more than 39,000 Americans, supports the
conclusions of a study the same group did two years ago that suggested
the dangers of being overweight may be less dire than experts thought.

"The take-home message is that the relationship between fat and
mortality is more complicated than we tend to think," said Katherine
M. Flegal, a senior research scientist at the Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention in Atlanta, who led the study. "It's not a
cookie-cutter, one-size-fits-all situation, where excess weight just
increases your mortality risk for any and all causes of death."

The study, published today in the Journal of the American Medical
Association, was greeted with sharply mixed reactions. Some praised it
for providing persuasive evidence that the dangers of fat have been
overblown.

"What this tells us is the hazards have been very much exaggerated,"
said Steven N. Blair, a professor of exercise science, epidemiology
and biostatistics at the University of South Carolina. "It's just not
as big a problem as people have said."

But others dismissed the findings as fundamentally flawed, saying an
overwhelming body of evidence has documented the risks of being either
overweight or obese.

"It's just rubbish," said Walter Willett, professor of epidemiology
and nutrition at the Harvard School of Public Health. "It's just
ludicrous to say there is no increased risk of mortality from being
overweight. . . . From a health standpoint, it's definitely
undesirable to be overweight."

The proportion of flabby Americans has been rising steadily, and two-
thirds are now classified as overweight, including about one-third who
carry so many extra pounds that they qualify as obese. The trend has
triggered widespread warnings of an impending epidemic of diabetes,
heart, disease, cancer and other ailments.

Flegal and her colleagues raised the possibility two years ago that
being overweight was less risky than feared. Their analysis of data
from decades of federal surveys concluded that people who were
overweight -- but not obese -- had lower overall mortality rates than
those of normal weight. But their study came under heavy criticism.

In the new research, the team sought to confirm and expand on the
original findings, examining additional data from later surveys and
parsing individual causes of death across a range of weights. The
analysis is based on the best health statistics that federal
scientists collected between 1971 and 2004, including cause-of-death
data from 2.3 million adults from 2004.

The researchers used widely accepted federal definitions of
"overweight" and "obesity" based on body mass index. A BMI of between
25 to 30 classifies someone as overweight and above 30 as obese. For
example, a 5-foot-4-inch adult is considered overweight at 146 pounds
and obese at 175.

The researchers calculated that in 2004, obesity was associated with
as many as 112,000 excess deaths from heart disease and more than
45,000 deaths from diabetes and kidney disease. Obesity was not,
however, associated with an overall excess in cancer deaths, though it
was linked to as many as 19,000 excess deaths from malignancies
commonly blamed on fat, including breast, uterine, ovarian, kidney,
colon, esophageal and pancreatic cancer.

The most surprising finding was that being overweight but not obese
was associated only with excess mortality from diabetes and kidney
disease -- not from cancer or heart disease. Moreover, the researchers
found an apparent protective effect against all other causes of death,
such as tuberculosis, emphysema, pneumonia, Alzheimer's disease and
injuries. An association between excess weight and nearly 16,000
deaths from diabetes and kidney disease was overshadowed by a
reduction of as many as 133,000 deaths from all other deaths unrelated
to cancer or heart disease. Even moderately obese people appeared less
likely to die of those causes.

Although the study did not examine why being overweight might guard
against dying from some diseases, Flegal said other research has
suggested that extra heft might supply the body with vital reserves to
draw upon to fight illness and aid recovery.

[read whole story]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110601436.html

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Old 11-08-2007, 12:30 PM
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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Death from type-2 diabetes is typically cardiovascular so there is no
separating the two.

The Feds confusion comes from not knowing the difference between SAT
and VAT when they group it all together as FAT.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.


Obwon-Gandalf-Hope IV wrote:
> It had to come.
>
> Every two to four months it seems the so-called "medical community"
> comes out with a new "study" that panders either to slim freaks, or to
> those whose weight tends to keep them seated.
>
> Now, "federal researchers" say blubberous folks don't have to worry
> too much anymore about getting cancer or heart disease from being what
> they are. Despite previous information that said fat people were at
> greater risk for those conditions!
>
> So, mark February 1, 2008, on your calendar.
>
> That's about the date you can look for a "later" study that states
> being overweight DOES place people at more risk for cancer and heart
> disease, and diabetes and kidney disease, too!
>
> Best advice?
>
> Stay tuned.
>
> -------------------
> "Being Overweight Isn't All Bad, Study Says"
>
> "Carrying Excess Pounds Does Not Increase Risk of Dying from Cancer or
> Heart Disease, Researchers Say"
>
> By Rob Stein
> Washington Post Staff Writer
> Wednesday, November 7, 2007; A01
>
>
> Being overweight boosts the risk of dying from diabetes and kidney
> disease but not cancer or heart disease, and carrying some extra
> pounds actually appears to protect against a host of other causes of
> death, federal researchers reported yesterday.
>
> The counterintuitive findings, based on a detailed analysis of decades
> of government data about more than 39,000 Americans, supports the
> conclusions of a study the same group did two years ago that suggested
> the dangers of being overweight may be less dire than experts thought.
>
> "The take-home message is that the relationship between fat and
> mortality is more complicated than we tend to think," said Katherine
> M. Flegal, a senior research scientist at the Centers for Disease
> Control and Prevention in Atlanta, who led the study. "It's not a
> cookie-cutter, one-size-fits-all situation, where excess weight just
> increases your mortality risk for any and all causes of death."
>
> The study, published today in the Journal of the American Medical
> Association, was greeted with sharply mixed reactions. Some praised it
> for providing persuasive evidence that the dangers of fat have been
> overblown.
>
> "What this tells us is the hazards have been very much exaggerated,"
> said Steven N. Blair, a professor of exercise science, epidemiology
> and biostatistics at the University of South Carolina. "It's just not
> as big a problem as people have said."
>
> But others dismissed the findings as fundamentally flawed, saying an
> overwhelming body of evidence has documented the risks of being either
> overweight or obese.
>
> "It's just rubbish," said Walter Willett, professor of epidemiology
> and nutrition at the Harvard School of Public Health. "It's just
> ludicrous to say there is no increased risk of mortality from being
> overweight. . . . From a health standpoint, it's definitely
> undesirable to be overweight."
>
> The proportion of flabby Americans has been rising steadily, and two-
> thirds are now classified as overweight, including about one-third who
> carry so many extra pounds that they qualify as obese. The trend has
> triggered widespread warnings of an impending epidemic of diabetes,
> heart, disease, cancer and other ailments.
>
> Flegal and her colleagues raised the possibility two years ago that
> being overweight was less risky than feared. Their analysis of data
> from decades of federal surveys concluded that people who were
> overweight -- but not obese -- had lower overall mortality rates than
> those of normal weight. But their study came under heavy criticism.
>
> In the new research, the team sought to confirm and expand on the
> original findings, examining additional data from later surveys and
> parsing individual causes of death across a range of weights. The
> analysis is based on the best health statistics that federal
> scientists collected between 1971 and 2004, including cause-of-death
> data from 2.3 million adults from 2004.
>
> The researchers used widely accepted federal definitions of
> "overweight" and "obesity" based on body mass index. A BMI of between
> 25 to 30 classifies someone as overweight and above 30 as obese. For
> example, a 5-foot-4-inch adult is considered overweight at 146 pounds
> and obese at 175.
>
> The researchers calculated that in 2004, obesity was associated with
> as many as 112,000 excess deaths from heart disease and more than
> 45,000 deaths from diabetes and kidney disease. Obesity was not,
> however, associated with an overall excess in cancer deaths, though it
> was linked to as many as 19,000 excess deaths from malignancies
> commonly blamed on fat, including breast, uterine, ovarian, kidney,
> colon, esophageal and pancreatic cancer.
>
> The most surprising finding was that being overweight but not obese
> was associated only with excess mortality from diabetes and kidney
> disease -- not from cancer or heart disease. Moreover, the researchers
> found an apparent protective effect against all other causes of death,
> such as tuberculosis, emphysema, pneumonia, Alzheimer's disease and
> injuries. An association between excess weight and nearly 16,000
> deaths from diabetes and kidney disease was overshadowed by a
> reduction of as many as 133,000 deaths from all other deaths unrelated
> to cancer or heart disease. Even moderately obese people appeared less
> likely to die of those causes.
>
> Although the study did not examine why being overweight might guard
> against dying from some diseases, Flegal said other research has
> suggested that extra heft might supply the body with vital reserves to
> draw upon to fight illness and aid recovery.
>
> [read whole story]
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110601436.html


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Old 11-08-2007, 04:00 PM
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On Nov 8, 6:17 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> Death from type-2 diabetes is typically cardiovascular so there is no
> separating the two.
>
> The Feds confusion comes from not knowing the difference between SAT
> and VAT when they group it all together as FAT.
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com
> Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
>
> Obwon-Gandalf-Hope IV wrote:
> > It had to come.

>
> > Every two to four months it seems the so-called "medical community"
> > comes out with a new "study" that panders either to slim freaks, or to
> > those whose weight tends to keep them seated.

>
> > Now, "federal researchers" say blubberous folks don't have to worry
> > too much anymore about getting cancer or heart disease from being what
> > they are. Despite previous information that said fat people were at
> > greater risk for those conditions!

>
> > So, mark February 1, 2008, on your calendar.

>
> > That's about the date you can look for a "later" study that states
> > being overweight DOES place people at more risk for cancer and heart
> > disease, and diabetes and kidney disease, too!

>
> > Best advice?

>
> > Stay tuned.

>
> > -------------------
> > "Being Overweight Isn't All Bad, Study Says"

>
> > "Carrying Excess Pounds Does Not Increase Risk of Dying from Cancer or
> > Heart Disease, Researchers Say"

>
> > By Rob Stein
> > Washington Post Staff Writer
> > Wednesday, November 7, 2007; A01

>
> > Being overweight boosts the risk of dying from diabetes and kidney
> > disease but not cancer or heart disease, and carrying some extra
> > pounds actually appears to protect against a host of other causes of
> > death, federal researchers reported yesterday.

>
> > The counterintuitive findings, based on a detailed analysis of decades
> > of government data about more than 39,000 Americans, supports the
> > conclusions of a study the same group did two years ago that suggested
> > the dangers of being overweight may be less dire than experts thought.

>
> > "The take-home message is that the relationship between fat and
> > mortality is more complicated than we tend to think," said Katherine
> > M. Flegal, a senior research scientist at the Centers for Disease
> > Control and Prevention in Atlanta, who led the study. "It's not a
> > cookie-cutter, one-size-fits-all situation, where excess weight just
> > increases your mortality risk for any and all causes of death."

>
> > The study, published today in the Journal of the American Medical
> > Association, was greeted with sharply mixed reactions. Some praised it
> > for providing persuasive evidence that the dangers of fat have been
> > overblown.

>
> > "What this tells us is the hazards have been very much exaggerated,"
> > said Steven N. Blair, a professor of exercise science, epidemiology
> > and biostatistics at the University of South Carolina. "It's just not
> > as big a problem as people have said."

>
> > But others dismissed the findings as fundamentally flawed, saying an
> > overwhelming body of evidence has documented the risks of being either
> > overweight or obese.

>
> > "It's just rubbish," said Walter Willett, professor of epidemiology
> > and nutrition at the Harvard School of Public Health. "It's just
> > ludicrous to say there is no increased risk of mortality from being
> > overweight. . . . From a health standpoint, it's definitely
> > undesirable to be overweight."

>
> > The proportion of flabby Americans has been rising steadily, and two-
> > thirds are now classified as overweight, including about one-third who
> > carry so many extra pounds that they qualify as obese. The trend has
> > triggered widespread warnings of an impending epidemic of diabetes,
> > heart, disease, cancer and other ailments.

>
> > Flegal and her colleagues raised the possibility two years ago that
> > being overweight was less risky than feared. Their analysis of data
> > from decades of federal surveys concluded that people who were
> > overweight -- but not obese -- had lower overall mortality rates than
> > those of normal weight. But their study came under heavy criticism.

>
> > In the new research, the team sought to confirm and expand on the
> > original findings, examining additional data from later surveys and
> > parsing individual causes of death across a range of weights. The
> > analysis is based on the best health statistics that federal
> > scientists collected between 1971 and 2004, including cause-of-death
> > data from 2.3 million adults from 2004.

>
> > The researchers used widely accepted federal definitions of
> > "overweight" and "obesity" based on body mass index. A BMI of between
> > 25 to 30 classifies someone as overweight and above 30 as obese. For
> > example, a 5-foot-4-inch adult is considered overweight at 146 pounds
> > and obese at 175.

>
> > The researchers calculated that in 2004, obesity was associated with
> > as many as 112,000 excess deaths from heart disease and more than
> > 45,000 deaths from diabetes and kidney disease. Obesity was not,
> > however, associated with an overall excess in cancer deaths, though it
> > was linked to as many as 19,000 excess deaths from malignancies
> > commonly blamed on fat, including breast, uterine, ovarian, kidney,
> > colon, esophageal and pancreatic cancer.

>
> > The most surprising finding was that being overweight but not obese
> > was associated only with excess mortality from diabetes and kidney
> > disease -- not from cancer or heart disease. Moreover, the researchers
> > found an apparent protective effect against all other causes of death,
> > such as tuberculosis, emphysema, pneumonia, Alzheimer's disease and
> > injuries. An association between excess weight and nearly 16,000
> > deaths from diabetes and kidney disease was overshadowed by a
> > reduction of as many as 133,000 deaths from all other deaths unrelated
> > to cancer or heart disease. Even moderately obese people appeared less
> > likely to die of those causes.

>
> > Although the study did not examine why being overweight might guard
> > against dying from some diseases, Flegal said other research has
> > suggested that extra heft might supply the body with vital reserves to
> > draw upon to fight illness and aid recovery.

>
> > [read whole story]

>
> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...07/11/06/AR200...


Dr Chung - the thing you need to do since you so strongly believe in
your program is to send the Feds all your studies and even better your
articles published in the respected, peer-reviewed journals, to at
least get then to reconsider. Even better is to similarly contact the
doctors at the National Institute of Health in Baltimore and if they
are not familiar with your work, send them the studies and articles.
Where you live is not even that far to go see them in person with your
studies

You should try contacting the local media in your area to see if they
will cover it - that can be easier than trying to get in the national
media - though CNN is based in Atlanta and they are worldwide and
regularly have medical news and features.

Remember - "All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men
to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke

Lets see if you do something or nothing.

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Old 11-08-2007, 04:00 PM
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"being overweight but not obese
was associated only with excess mortality from diabetes and kidney
disease -- not from cancer or heart disease. Moreover, the researchers
found an apparent protective effect against all other causes of death,
such as tuberculosis, emphysema, pneumonia, Alzheimer's disease and
injuries. An association between excess weight and nearly 16,000
deaths from diabetes and kidney disease was overshadowed by a
reduction of as many as 133,000 deaths from all other deaths unrelated
to cancer or heart disease. Even moderately obese people appeared less
likely" to die of those causes."

Over weight. Over ideal weight. How many of us are at our ideal
weight for our age and height? Where I real a summary a line was
drawn at 26 pounds. I thought that number a bit high....but I am only
a lay person.
No way does any government agency or any responsible person advocate
obesity!
Waiting for the next study that "proves" just the opposite!
Blessings.

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Old 11-08-2007, 04:33 PM
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On Nov 7, 3:48 pm, Obwon-Gandalf-Hope IV <perryneh...@hotmail.com>


READ!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/he...952b14&ei=5070

It is no where as simple and cut and dried as you would appear to
believe. Blessings.

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Old 11-08-2007, 07:01 PM
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turtletrot1 wrote:

> "being overweight but not obese
> was associated only with excess mortality from diabetes and kidney
> disease -- not from cancer or heart disease. Moreover, the researchers
> found an apparent protective effect against all other causes of death,
> such as tuberculosis, emphysema, pneumonia, Alzheimer's disease and
> injuries. An association between excess weight and nearly 16,000
> deaths from diabetes and kidney disease was overshadowed by a
> reduction of as many as 133,000 deaths from all other deaths unrelated
> to cancer or heart disease. Even moderately obese people appeared less
> likely" to die of those causes."
>
> Over weight. Over ideal weight. How many of us are at our ideal
> weight for our age and height? Where I real a summary a line was
> drawn at 26 pounds. I thought that number a bit high....but I am only
> a lay person.
> No way does any government agency or any responsible person advocate
> obesity!
> Waiting for the next study that "proves" just the opposite!
> Blessings.
>

The discussion is related to the models and film stars who are under
average weight for their height and age and undesirable role models

The most important thing is to enjoy life day by day and feel okay


getting stressed about obesity is not the way forwards

making enjoyable life style changes
well made and well cooked healthy food gives as much pleasure as junk food

modest exercise also makes all of us feel good

don't tolerate bullies

it is my nature to be muscular when young and active,
and obese when old

Know yourself and be true to yourself and enjoy each day


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Old 11-08-2007, 08:00 PM
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On Nov 8, 10:23 am, turtletrot1 <turtletr...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 3:48 pm, Obwon-Gandalf-Hope IV <perryneh...@hotmail.com>
>
> READ!
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/he...1195189200&en=...
>
> It is no where as simple and cut and dried as you would appear to
> believe. Blessings.


Agree it is not simple and cut and dried. If it were, there would
be no need to have any discussion. After all, no sane person
discusses whether the world is flat or not.

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Old 11-09-2007, 05:00 AM
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:47:08 -0000, OMER <HeartMDPhD@gmail.com> wrote:

please show some courtesy and do not cross post your replies to the
known usenet kook and troll, a b chung into any medical support
groups. even if he started the cross posting first. All of the
medical newsgroup already known chung was fired after only 88 days of
employment from a cardiac clinic in Ocala Florida for lack of quality
care to the clinics patients because of chung's mental illness and
lack of medical knowledge and skill.

if you must reply at all to the nutter reply to sci med cardiology
which is the newsgroup he claims as his own property and has
subsequently ruined for all with cardiac problems.

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MÄck©® wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:47:08 -0000, OMER <HeartMDPhD@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> please show some courtesy and do not cross post your replies to the
> known usenet kook and troll, a b chung into any medical support
> groups. even if he started the cross posting first. All of the
> medical newsgroup already known chung was fired after only 88 days of
> employment from a cardiac clinic in Ocala Florida for lack of quality
> care to the clinics patients because of chung's mental illness and
> lack of medical knowledge and skill.
>
> if you must reply at all to the nutter reply to sci med cardiology
> which is the newsgroup he claims as his own property and has
> subsequently ruined for all with cardiac problems.
>


Gee, okay, dad, but only if you promise that the holy spirit won't
poke our eyes out and make us talk to people like you so we end up
losing our homes at $40K a pop trying to recover without any health
insurance from a heart attack working slave labor jobs for fiat cash
that's sinking down the toilet faster than you can say 1920Germany
three times fast.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ation-1923.jpg

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Old 11-09-2007, 09:18 PM
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OMER wrote:
> On Nov 8, 6:17 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> > Death from type-2 diabetes is typically cardiovascular so there is no
> > separating the two.
> >
> > The Feds confusion comes from not knowing the difference between SAT
> > and VAT when they group it all together as FAT.
> >
> > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
> >
> > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

>
> Dr Chung - the thing you need to do since you so strongly believe in
> your program is to send the Feds all your studies and even better your
> articles published in the respected, peer-reviewed journals, to at
> least get then to reconsider. Even better is to similarly contact the
> doctors at the National Institute of Health in Baltimore and if they
> are not familiar with your work, send them the studies and articles.
> Where you live is not even that far to go see them in person with your
> studies
>
> You should try contacting the local media in your area to see if they
> will cover it - that can be easier than trying to get in the national
> media - though CNN is based in Atlanta and they are worldwide and
> regularly have medical news and features.
>
> Remember - "All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men
> to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke
>
> Lets see if you do something or nothing.


Doing a million things:

http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords

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