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Old 02-11-2008, 06:28 AM
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http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...olls-too.html?

Appeals court: First Amendment protects forum trolls too

By Jacqui Cheng | Published: February 07, 2008 - 11:21AM CT

Anonymous trolls on the Internet are allowed to remain anonymous, a judge in
a California appeals court ruled yesterday. Not only that, but they're
allowed to exercise their First Amendment rights and speak their minds, no
matter how scathing their comments may be. The court opinion reversed a
previous decision that would have allowed Lisa Krinsky, COO of a
Florida-based drug service company, to subpoena 10 anonymous Yahoo message
board posters' real names.

The story starts out like this. 10 anonymous individuals posted on Yahoo's
message boards in 2005 about Krinsky, her company (SFBC), and two other
officers at her company. These posters regularly made what the judge
described as "scathing verbal
attacks" against these officers. This included referring to the trio as "a
management consisting of boobs, losers and crooks," and with one poster (Doe
6) describing Krinsky when he said "I will reciprocate felatoin [sic] with
Lisa even though she has fat thighs, a fake medical degree, 'queefs' and has
poor feminine hygiene."

Krinsky left SFBC in December of 2005 and filed the lawsuit in January of
2006, which Doe 6 attempted to quash. In April of 2006, a superior court
judge said that Doe 6 was "trying to drive down the price of [plaintiff's]
company to manipulate the stock
price, sell it short and so forth," according to court documents seen by
Ars. The court also suggested that "[a]ccusing a woman of unchastity [...]
calling somebody a crook . . . saying that they have a fake medical degree,
accusing someone of a criminal act, accusing someone-impinging [sic] their
integrity to practice in their chosen profession historically have been
libel per se." The court then denied Doe 6's motion to quash.

The appeals court acknowledged that the Wild West of the Internet is still
bound by rules about libel, and that especially in the corporate and
financial arena, people's reputations and entire companies can suffer
damages as rumors spread over the 'Net. Still, the judge ruled that what Doe
6 had posted were not assertions of "actual fact" and therefore not
actionable under Florida's defamation law, despite being "unquestionably
offensive and demeaning." Therefore, Doe 6's statements are still protected
under the First Amendment, and he is entitled to all costs involved in his
appeal.

The decision comes just weeks after two Yale law students were dealt a
similar blow in their own case against anonymous forum bashers. They had
filed a lawsuit against a number of anonymous posters on AutoAdmit.com who
were advocating that others physically assault, rape, and sodomize them if
at all possible. The two plaintiffs, however, were unable to get the IP
addresses of these posters and have therefore been largely unsuccessful in
identifying them. While the attacks made by the AutoAdmit posters may or may
not be legally protected (they are threats, after all), we will likely never
find out thanks to vigorous data deletion policies."

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Old 02-11-2008, 10:43 AM
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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...71-421,00.html
Is your job giving you cancer?

February 10, 2008 12:00am

BLUE-collar workers such as cleaners, truck drivers, fruit and vegetable growers and meat processors are at
higher risk of developing cancer than their office-based counterparts, a new study warns.
Hairdressers and sewing machinists were also found to be far more susceptible to bladder cancer than other
workers.

Scientists believe exposure to potentially toxic chemicals, dyes, pesticides and viruses are causing spikes in
job-related diseases.

The startling research from Massey University's Centre for Public Health Research in New Zealand - published in
two international journals - revealed the full extent of occupational cancer risks in the 21st century.

Apple and pear growers were singled out as five times more likely to develop non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, while
plant nursery staff recorded a four-fold increased risk.

"An elevated non-Hodgkin's lymphoma risk was observed for field crop and vegetable growers and horticulture and
fruit growing, particularly for women," study author Dr Andrea 't Mannetje said.

"Meat processors had an elevated risk, as did heavy truck drivers, workers employed in metal product
manufacturing and cleaners."

Suggested reasons for the higher cancer risk include exposure to animal viruses, cleaning chemicals,
petrochemicals, trace metals and lubricants.

Farmers who spray pesticides manually are likely to be at greater risk than those who use machines, according
to Dr 't Mannetje.

Use of carcinogenic chemicals known as aromatic amines is blamed for higher rates of bladder cancer in
hairdressing and sewing machine work.

Several forms of the chemicals are banned but similar substances are still used in common fabric and hair dyes.

Cancer Council of NSW CEO Dr Andrew Penman called for closer checks on exposure levels to determine risk.

"I think everyone recognises that there are these unexplained increases in cancer risk in these population
groups," he said.

"What we need now is something that measures specific exposure to individuals.

"We can reduce exposure to chemicals through prudent precautionary actions."

Serena Ferraro, manager of Over The Top Hair Design at Five Dock, said her staff were specially trained to use
high-quality hair dye safely.

"Our girls learn how to colour with a comb and brush so the chemicals don't even touch your skin,'' she said.

The next phase of the study is expected by the end of the year.

An Australian report last week concluded that hair dye was unlikely to cause cancer in the general population.

But hairdressers were still acknowledged to be at higher risk through prolonged exposure to aromatic amines.



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Old 02-11-2008, 10:43 AM
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J wrote:

> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...71-421,00.html
> Is your job giving you cancer?
>
> February 10, 2008 12:00am


http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...hodecides.html
Who decides what causes cancer?
Broadcast: January 14, 2003

The following passages are excerpted from "The IARC Monographs Program: Changing Attitudes Towards Public Health",
published in the Apr/Jun 2002 issue of the peer-reviewed International Journal of Occupational and Environmental
Health.

The author is Dr. Lorenzo Tomatis, former Director of the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) from
1982 to 1993. (The IARC Monographs Program, first begun in 1971, represented the first official attempt by an
international organization to provide exhaustive information about environmental carcinogens):

"It was clear from the beginning that evaluations of evidence of carcinogenicity should be a matter of scientific
judgment. Absolute priority was given to the reliability of the data on which the final evaluations of
carcinogenicity were based, and the strength of the Monographs program was its scientific integrity. The
painstaking searches of the scientific literature by the IARC team, the dedicated contributions of the experts in
preparing their assigned position papers, and the intense joint effort during the eight days of the working group
meetings resulted for more than two decades in a series of scientifically unassailable monographs, which became
known worldwide as "the orange books", from the color of their covers. Although some of the evaluations were
heavily attacked by industry or by scientists who sided with industry, never, in those years, was any evaluation
invalidated on scientific grounds."
....

"Within the IARC Monographs program, the respective roles of human and experimental data in defining and/or
predicting human risk were amply and repeatedly debated... The experimental evidence maintained its full validity
in demonstrating the carcinogenicity of an agent and in serving as an alert that similar effect(s) might occur in
humans, therefore, even if the size of the risk could not be measured accurately. Not only does the experimental
induction of tumors confirm clinical or epidemiological observations, as was shown for the first time with chimney
soot, but also there is abundant evidence that it can precede and predict human cancer. The experimental evidence
for the carcinogenicities of many agents preceded observations of their carcinogenicities in humans and would have
allowed implementation of early, life-saving preventive measures."
....

"The IARC considered, therefore, that in the absence of adequate human data, it is biologically plausible and
prudent to regard agents for which there is sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity in laboratory animals as if they
present a carcinogenic risk to humans. In so doing, the IARC, anticipating what later became known as the
"precautionary principle", was trying to reconcile a scientifically accurate analysis of the data with an
interpretation of the evidence of carcinogenicity provided by experimental data that is not only biologically
plausible but is public health-oriented and gives priority to primary prevention.

The credibility of experimental results as effective predictors of human risk was systematically questioned by
industry, which was concerned that the evaluation of some of its products as potentially carcinogenic in humans
would jeopardize profits and production rentability. For this reason, industry made many attempts to deny,
contradict or conceal data that did not suit their production plans, as exemplified by the well-documented cases of
asbestos and vinyl chloride. The industry point of view was supported by numerous scientists who were either
directly or indirectly associated with industrial laboratories or who, with rather myopic good faith and a
disregard for public health, stubbornly sought greater certitude than the available methods could provide. The
attitude of industry and the lukewarm reaction of the regulatory agencies, which should have had public health as
their first priority, led to indirect but efficient support in large sectors of the scientific establishment for
the view that even doubtful or inadequate negative epidemiologic findings should be considered more relevant than
clearly positive experimental findings.

Primary prevention of even the most obvious carcinogenic hazard therefore encountered serious obstacles and
unjustified delays. Aromatic amines were shown to be carcinogenic at the end of the 19th century, and the
International Labor Office declared benzidine and 2-naphthylamine to be human carcinogens in 1921, but the first
official effort to phase out aromatic amines was taken only in the 1970s. The first observation of an increased
cancer risk in workers exposed to BMCE goes back at least to 1962, but regulators took no action until 1975."
....

The article concludes:

"During the third period of the Monographs program [i.e. from 1994 to the present], it is not totally clear that
the revised evaluations of carcinogenicity arrived at during this period were inspired solely by a desire to be
rigidly, and perhaps at times myopically, scientific. One may question whether interests other than purely
scientific were possibly involved in reaching conclusions that are not based on the principle of rigorous
hypothesis testing, and in revising evaluations towards an absence of risk to humans. Indeed, evidence of
carcinogenicity provided by the result of experimental bioassays appears too often to have been disregarded on the
basis of only suggested mechanistic hypotheses. Ominous consequences on public health may follow if such
hypotheses, once actually tested experimentally, are shown to be incorrect, or if they do not account adequately
for the wide range of susceptibility that is known to exist in human populations. The revised evaluations may
therefore open the door to free exploitations of products, the production and use of which should instead be
strictly regulated or banned.


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Old 02-11-2008, 05:46 PM
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Panton..

You have one of the biggest OT TROLLS on the Net in this group..Marc
Bissonnette and each post is tagged with a commercial post to his lame
business. He was removed as a firefighter from two Canadian fire
departments, Whitewater and Beachburg for possible pedophilia! Just
Google this LOSER!

http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...=Search+Groups

KMAN IS BACK!



panton wrote:
> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...olls-too.html?
>
> Appeals court: First Amendment protects forum trolls too
>
> By Jacqui Cheng | Published: February 07, 2008 - 11:21AM CT
>
> Anonymous trolls on the Internet are allowed to remain anonymous, a judge in
> a California appeals court ruled yesterday. Not only that, but they're
> allowed to exercise their First Amendment rights and speak their minds, no
> matter how scathing their comments may be. The court opinion reversed a
> previous decision that would have allowed Lisa Krinsky, COO of a
> Florida-based drug service company, to subpoena 10 anonymous Yahoo message
> board posters' real names.
>
> The story starts out like this. 10 anonymous individuals posted on Yahoo's
> message boards in 2005 about Krinsky, her company (SFBC), and two other
> officers at her company. These posters regularly made what the judge
> described as "scathing verbal
> attacks" against these officers. This included referring to the trio as "a
> management consisting of boobs, losers and crooks," and with one poster (Doe
> 6) describing Krinsky when he said "I will reciprocate felatoin [sic] with
> Lisa even though she has fat thighs, a fake medical degree, 'queefs' and has
> poor feminine hygiene."
>
> Krinsky left SFBC in December of 2005 and filed the lawsuit in January of
> 2006, which Doe 6 attempted to quash. In April of 2006, a superior court
> judge said that Doe 6 was "trying to drive down the price of [plaintiff's]
> company to manipulate the stock
> price, sell it short and so forth," according to court documents seen by
> Ars. The court also suggested that "[a]ccusing a woman of unchastity [...]
> calling somebody a crook . . . saying that they have a fake medical degree,
> accusing someone of a criminal act, accusing someone-impinging [sic] their
> integrity to practice in their chosen profession historically have been
> libel per se." The court then denied Doe 6's motion to quash.
>
> The appeals court acknowledged that the Wild West of the Internet is still
> bound by rules about libel, and that especially in the corporate and
> financial arena, people's reputations and entire companies can suffer
> damages as rumors spread over the 'Net. Still, the judge ruled that what Doe
> 6 had posted were not assertions of "actual fact" and therefore not
> actionable under Florida's defamation law, despite being "unquestionably
> offensive and demeaning." Therefore, Doe 6's statements are still protected
> under the First Amendment, and he is entitled to all costs involved in his
> appeal.
>
> The decision comes just weeks after two Yale law students were dealt a
> similar blow in their own case against anonymous forum bashers. They had
> filed a lawsuit against a number of anonymous posters on AutoAdmit.com who
> were advocating that others physically assault, rape, and sodomize them if
> at all possible. The two plaintiffs, however, were unable to get the IP
> addresses of these posters and have therefore been largely unsuccessful in
> identifying them. While the attacks made by the AutoAdmit posters may or may
> not be legally protected (they are threats, after all), we will likely never
> find out thanks to vigorous data deletion policies."
>
> ------------------

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Old 02-11-2008, 11:51 PM
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Default Robert W Scoville, alleged pedophile

On Feb 11, 11:12*am, KmanIsB...@gmail.com wrote:
> Panton..
>
> You have one of the biggest OT TROLLS on the Net in this group..Marc
> Bissonnette and each post is tagged with a commercial post to his lame
> business. *He was removed as a firefighter from two Canadian fire
> departments, Whitewater and Beachburg for possible pedophilia! *Just
> Google this LOSER!
>


Hey Richard Scoville, I see that you've found a new group to spread
your lies. Why don't you go and dig up momma and see if she's still
stiff as a board. BTW, how's your dad? Is he still raping little
boys?? I love the way he gets in their bedrooms by "helping" them with
their bedwetting. Robert W Scoville pedophile?

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