Iron Restriction For Health

"Restriction of iron may have positive effects on health in general
and aging in particular"

Galaris D, Mantzaris M, Amorgianiotis C
Oxidative stress and aging: the potential role of iron. [Journal
Article]
Hormones (Athens) 2008 Apr-Jun; 7(2):114-22.


According to the free radical theory of aging proposed by Denham
Harman more than 50 years ago, oxidatively modified cellular
components accumulate continuously in the cells during the organism's
lifespan leading to progressive decline of cellular functions. Since
then, it has been shown that proteins, lipids, nucleic acids and
other
cell components undergo reversible and/or irreversible oxidative
modifications during aging. Moreover, oxidized cell components can
undergo further oxidative modifications leading to formation of
products that cell degradation systems are incapable of removing.
Accumulation of such non-degradable aggregates further inhibits the
functionality of degradation systems, thus aggravating the effects
and
leading to a vicious cycle. In this presentation, we propose that the
availability of intracellular iron in its redox active form (labile
iron) represents the main catalyst that mediates extensive oxidative
modifications of cellular components and ultimately leads to their
accumulation and consequent cellular dysfunction. It is tempting to
speculate that regulated restriction of labile iron may have positive
effects on health in general and aging in particular.
Hormones (Athens, Greece) [Hormones (Athens)]
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On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:37:16 -0500, ironjustice@aol.com wrote
(in message
<8d9b8ad1-fbcc-4971-8957-b35763ea3ee3@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>):

> "Restriction of iron may have positive effects on health in general
> and aging in particular"

Oh the irony of iron supplements.

I am sure Fe-injustice will FErociously iron it out for us

Now don't tell him, as it may scare him, but the center of the eart is
supposed to be mostly iron!

Is there anything that t his man doesnt know ? Just look at some of
the postings that he has made these last couple of days

alt.support.chronic-pain 9 hours ago
ouch. I hurt myself. alt.support.chronic-pain 9 hours ago
ouch. I hurt myself. alt.support.chronic-pain 11 hours ago
ouch. I hurt myself. alt.support.chronic-pain 20 hours ago
Bloodletting And Diabetes alt.support.diabetes 20 hours ago
Iron Restriction For Health alt.support.asthma 21 hours ago
Iron Restriction For Health alt.support.cancer 21 hours ago
Bloodletting And Diabetes alt.support.diabetes 2 days ago
Oxidative Stress and Raynaud's sci.med.nutrition 2 days ago
Headaches and Erythrocytosis alt.support.lupus 2 days ago

I presume you are talking about Rustbucket aka Tommy Tinpot aka
Tombit aka Numbnuts and other pseudonyms I have not seen. Yeah,
he's brilliant, the Edgar Casey of the 21st century. That's why
he is locked away in my kill file. I'm overcome with awe at his
vast medical knowledge. <tongue firmly in cheek>

On Sat, 17 May 2008 06:45:44 -0700 (PDT), Thing
<manjitxx@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>Is there anything that t his man doesnt know ? Just look at some of
>the postings that he has made these last couple of days
>
> alt.support.chronic-pain 9 hours ago
>ouch. I hurt myself. alt.support.chronic-pain 9 hours ago
>ouch. I hurt myself. alt.support.chronic-pain 11 hours ago
>ouch. I hurt myself. alt.support.chronic-pain 20 hours ago
>Bloodletting And Diabetes alt.support.diabetes 20 hours ago
>Iron Restriction For Health alt.support.asthma 21 hours ago
>Iron Restriction For Health alt.support.cancer 21 hours ago
>Bloodletting And Diabetes alt.support.diabetes 2 days ago
>Oxidative Stress and Raynaud's sci.med.nutrition 2 days ago
>Headaches and Erythrocytosis alt.support.lupus 2 days ago

On May 16, 12:37 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com>
wrote:
> "Restriction of iron may have positive effects on health in general....blah blah blah..
We get it, you have a strong opinion on this matter. We do get it.
We understand your position. We do....but.....
Did it ever occur to you that we find your repetition BORING!
Did it ever occur to you that about 98% of us do not open your
messages?

On May 16, 3:55 pm, J666 <j...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:37:16 -0500, ironjust...@aol.com wrote
> (in message
> <8d9b8ad1-fbcc-4971-8957-b35763ea3...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > "Restriction of iron may have positive effects on health in general
> > and aging in particular"
>
> Oh the irony of iron supplements.
>
> I am sure Fe-injustice will FErociously iron it out for us

Rust never sleeps.

On May 17, 8:49*am, sheder1 <turtletr...@bellsouth.net> wroteid it
ever occur to you that about 98% of us do not open your messages? <<

Cancer is being targeted with iron chelators.

Getting regression of tumors is a good thing.

You didn't know that .. ?

Write it .. down ..

And remember this ..

You also .. read .. the above ..

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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk



> On May 16, 12:37 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com>
> wrote:> "Restriction of iron may have positive effects on health in general....blah *blah *blah..
>
> We get it, you have a strong opinion on this matter. *We do get it.
> We understand your position. *We do....but.....
> Did it ever occur to you that we find your repetition BORING!
> Did it ever occur to you that about 98% of us do not open your
> messages?

Perhaps somebody could help me here ? Where did ironjustice get the
idea that iron is something forbidden, because of something he read in
the bible ? I mean where in the bible did it warn against the evils of
iron ?

On Tue, 20 May 2008 06:48:28 -0700 (PDT), Thing
<manjitxx@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>Perhaps somebody could help me here ? Where did ironjustice get the
>idea that iron is something forbidden, because of something he read in
>the bible ? I mean where in the bible did it warn against the evils of
>iron ?

It's in Genesis. Don't you remember? The verse where Sarah
is pressing Abraham's galabiyeh and Abraham is standing
behind her when he tells her that he is taking Hagar as
second wife because of Sarah's infertility and she turns and
belts him across the chops with the iron?

Of course, they left a little out of Genesis 16:2; couldn't
have little Ishmael reading that when he grew up.

Forever more, one of the untold secrets of bar-mitzvah was
that each father passed on to his sons "beware of the iron,
when the wife is pressing the clothes it's time to go to the
pub".

Cheers, Alan

On May 20, 6:48*am, Thing <manji...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Perhaps somebody could help me here ? Where did ironjustice get the
idea that iron is something forbidden, because of something he read
in
the bible ? I mean where in the bible did it warn against the evils
of
iron ? <<

I'll give you a synopsis..

Real short ..

Makes it easy ..

Bible says ..
"Don't kill .. don't eat meat .. if you do .. you will be killed by
disease.
In order to rid yourself of disease you must **give up of your own
blood** and DON'T kill and eat the animals." .

NOW today ?

"Blood donation has been shown to be effective in more diseased people
than any treatment in history."

Cites for all of the above.

Who loves ya.
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Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
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Man Is A Herbivore!
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
> On May 20, 6:48 am, Thing <manji...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Perhaps somebody could help me here ? Where did ironjustice get the
> idea that iron is something forbidden, because of something he read
> in
> the bible ? I mean where in the bible did it warn against the evils
> of
> iron ? <<
>
> I'll give you a synopsis..
>
> Real short ..
>
> Makes it easy ..
>
> Bible says ..
> "Don't kill .. don't eat meat .. if you do .. you will be killed by
> disease.
> In order to rid yourself of disease you must **give up of your own
> blood** and DON'T kill and eat the animals." .

The Bible, a book full of blood and gore and bigotry and justified
slavery and discrimination and mass murder and abject failure is not the
place to get scientifically accurate information.

Now, I think I'll go eat some honeycomb and fish.

--

Pramesh Rutaji

p297tongue6221@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply

On May 20, 10:56*am, Pramesh Rutaji <p297tongue6...@newsguy.com>
wrote:not the place to get scientifically accurate information. <<

Evidently it .. is .. ?

"Blood donation has been shown to be effective in more diseased
people
than any treatment in history."


Who loves ya.
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Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
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Man Is A Herbivore!
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk




> ironjust...@aol.com wrote:
> > On May 20, 6:48 am, Thing <manji...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > *Perhaps somebody could help me here ? Where did ironjustice get the
> > *idea that iron is something forbidden, because of something he read
> > in
> > *the bible ? I mean where in the bible did it warn against the evils
> > of
> > *iron ? <<
>
> > I'll give you a synopsis..
>
> > Real short ..
>
> > Makes it easy ..
>
> > Bible says ..
> > "Don't kill .. don't eat meat .. if you do .. you will be killed by
> > disease.
> > In order to rid yourself of disease you must **give up of your own
> > blood** and DON'T kill and eat the animals." .
>
> The Bible, a book full of blood and gore and bigotry and justified
> slavery and discrimination and mass murder and abject failure is not the
> place to get scientifically accurate information.
>
> Now, I think I'll go eat some honeycomb and fish.
>
> --
>
> Pramesh Rutaji
>
> p297tongue6...@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On Tue, 20 May 2008 10:56:26 -0500, ironjustice@aol.com wrote
(in message
<f5967659-ceda-4cc3-85a9-ed42e35bf3df@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>):

> I'll give you a synopsis..
>
> Real short ..
>
> Makes it easy ..
>
> Bible says ..
> "Don't kill .. don't eat meat .. if you do .. you will be killed by
> disease.
> In order to rid yourself of disease you must **give up of your own
> blood** and DON'T kill and eat the animals." .

How often should I donate an Omer of blood

On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:41:28 -0500, J666 <j666@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 20 May 2008 10:56:26 -0500, ironjustice@aol.com wrote
>(in message
><f5967659-ceda-4cc3-85a9-ed42e35bf3df@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>):
>
>> I'll give you a synopsis..
>>
>> Real short ..
>>
>> Makes it easy ..
>>
>> Bible says ..
>> "Don't kill .. don't eat meat .. if you do .. you will be killed by
>> disease.
>> In order to rid yourself of disease you must **give up of your own
>> blood** and DON'T kill and eat the animals." .
>
>How often should I donate an Omer of blood


Now, now, don't get frustrated. His last adminition is rather
humorous. When you eat an animal, all he is saying is, " . . . Don't
kill and eat the animals." Eat and kill!

Donn

Ok so I can see why you think that the bible prohibits meat, but what
I want to know, is what passage of the bible have you seen which makes
you think that it wrong to consume iron ?

On May 21, 6:33*am, Thing <manji...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:what passage of
the bible have you seen which makes you think that it wrong to consume
iron ? <<

Few different passages ..

You have to read the whole book to find them ..

One of them off the top of my head is .. "The rust of your sins will
eat your flesh like fire" ..

It's all interpretation ..

Knowing the meaning of words ..

Sorta like knowing the meaning of .. keloid ..


Who loves ya.
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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On May 21, 8:45*am, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com>
wrote:It's all interpretation .. Knowing the meaning of words ..<<

These are the passages I included to explain my conclusion.

IRON

1) Deuteronomy 4:20 ; Brought you out of the iron smelting furnace
2) Deuteronomy 28:48 ; He will put an iron yoke upon your neck
3) Deuteronomy 32:41 ; When I sharpen my flashing sword and I grasp it
in my hands in judgment
4) Joshua 8:31 ; Built an altar of uncut stones, on which no iron tool
has been used 5) 2 Samuel 7:14 ; I will flog him with the rod of men
6) 2 Kings 19:28 ; I will put my hook in your nose and my bit in your
mouth ,and I will make you return by the way you came
7) 1 Chronicles 21:11 ; Three days of the sword of the Lord
8) Job 5:15 ; He saves the needy from the sword in their mouth
9) Job 15:22 ; He is marked for the sword
10) Job 21:9 ; The rod of our Father is not upon them
11) Job 33:18 ; His life from perishing by the sword
12) Job 36:8-12 ; But if men are bound in chains, held fast by cords
of affliction and do not listen they will perish by the sword
13) Job 40:19 ; His Maker can approach 'HIM' (hippopotamus- grass
eater) with His sword
14) Psalm 7:12-13 ; He will sharpen his sword; he will bend and string
his bow. He has prepared his deadly weapons; He makes ready his
flaming arrows
15) Psalm 37:15 ; But their swords will pierce their own hearts
17) Psalm 89:32 ; I will punish their sin with the rod
18) Psalm 107:14 ; He brought them out of darkness...He releases the
prisoners from darkness
19) Proverbs 5:3-5 ; For the lips of the adultress drip honey, and her
speech is smoother than oil; but in the end she is as bitter as gall,
sharp as a double-edged sword. Her feet go down to 'DEATH '
20) Proverbs 5:23 ; Till an arrow pierces his liver
21) Isaiah 1:19 ; You will be devoured by the sword
22) Isaiah 3:25 ; Your men will fall by the sword; your warriors in
battle
23) Isaiah 13;15 ; ALL who are caught will fall by the sword
24) Isaiah 24:10 ; The entrance to every house is barred
25) Isaiah 27:1 ; Our Father will punish with his sword, his fierce,
great and powerful sword
26) Isaiah 28:22 ; Or your chains will become heavier
27) Isaiah 30:28 ; He places in the jaws of the peoples a bit that
leads them away
28) Isaiah 31:8 ; Assyria will fall by a sword that is not of man; a
sword not of mortals, will devour them. They will flee before the
sword
29) Isaiah 45:14 ; Coming over to you in chains
30) Isaiah 54:16 ; See it is I who created the blacksmith who fans the
coals into flames and forges a weapon fit for its work
31) Isaiah 65:12 ; I will destine you for the sword
32) Isaiah 66:16 ; For with fire and his sword your Father will
execute judgment upon all His children
33) Jeremiah 25:16 ; They will stagger and go mad because of the
sword
34) Jeremiah 25:29 ; For I am calling a sword upon all those who live
on the earth
35) Jeremiah 25:31 ; He will bring judgment on all His children and
put the wicked to the sword
36) Jeremiah 30:8 ; I will break the yoke off their necks and will
tear off their bonds
37) Jeremiah 40:4 ; Today I am freeing you from the chains on your
wrists
38) Lamentations 1:14 ; My sins have been bound into a yoke
39) Lamentations 2:21 ; My young men and maidens have fallen by the
sword
40) Lamentations 3:7 ; He has walled me in so I cannot escape; he has
weighed me down with chains
41) Ezekiel 13:14-15 ; I will tear down the wall you have covered with
whitewash
42) Ezekiel 24:12 ; It has frustrated all efforts; its heavy deposit
has not been removed, not even by fire
43) Ezekiel 39:23 ; And the nations will know that Israel went into
exile for their sin and I handed them over to their enemies and they
all fell by the sword
44) Daniel 11:33 ; They will fall by the sword
45) Amos 7:9 ; With my sword I will rise up against them
46) Amos 9:10 ; All the sinners will die by the sword
47) Micah 6:9 ; Heed the rod
48) Micah 6:14 ; Because what you store up I will give to the sword
49) Nahum 2:5 ; Yet they stumble and the protective shield is put in
place
50) Nahum 2:13 ; And the sword will devour their young lions
51) Nahum 3:10 ; All her great men were put in chains
52) Nahum 3:15 ; The sword will cut you down
53) Habakkuk 3:11 ; The glint of Your flying arrows, the lightning of
Your flashing spear
54) Matthew 12:29 ; How can anyone enter a strong mans' house and
carry away his treasures unless he first ties up the strong man?
55) Hebrews 4:12 ; Sharper than any double edged sword , it penetrates
even to dividing soul and spirit
56) Jude 1:6 ; These he has kept in everlasting chains
57) Revelation 1:16 ; out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged
sword
58) Revelation 2:12 ; These are the words of him who has the sharp,
double-edged sword
60) Revelation 2:27 ; He will rule them with an iron sceptre
61) Revelation 6:4 ; to him was given a large sword
62) Revelation 19:15 : Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which
to strike down the nations, "He will rule them with an iron
scepter."


Who loves ya.
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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> On May 21, 6:33*am, Thing <manji...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:what passage of
> the bible have you seen which makes you think that it wrong to consume
> iron ? <<
>
> Few different passages ..
>
> You have to read the whole book to find them ..
>
> One of them off the top of my head is .. "The rust of your sins will
> eat your flesh like fire" ..
>
> It's all interpretation ..
>
> Knowing the meaning of words ..
>
> Sorta like knowing the meaning of .. keloid ..
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

<ironjustice@aol.com> wrote in message
news:14ed5050-b232-46bb-82d4-82d3e7c1a5fb@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On May 21, 8:45 am, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com>
wrote:It's all interpretation .. Knowing the meaning of words ..<<

<These are the passages I included to explain my conclusion.

<IRON

<1) Deuteronomy 4:20 ;

Tried to take the good with the bad, but this goes too far. Nufs e
nuf.....................<plonk>

Tom don't you think that there are better places to discuss your
interpretation of passages from the bible, than this place ? All that
happens here is that people ridicule your beliefs. On a religious
site, you can discuss in great detail your beliefs on this subject

On May 22, 6:48*am, Thing <manji...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Tom don't you think that there are better places to discuss your
interpretation of passages from the bible, than this place ? All that
happens here is that people ridicule your beliefs. On a religious
site, you can discuss in great detail your beliefs on this subject <<

YOU .. asked me a question ..

I answered it ..

Then YOU say .. "don't you think that there are better places to
discuss your
interpretation of passages"..

You kind of a weird .. guy ..


Who loves ya.
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Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh


Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

On Thu, 22 May 2008 10:18:42 -0500, ironjustice@aol.com wrote
(in message
<8462e94f-751c-4b46-97eb-977fd6df6699@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>):

> On May 22, 6:48*am, Thing <manji...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Tom don't you think that there are better places to discuss your
> interpretation of passages from the bible, than this place ? All that
> happens here is that people ridicule your beliefs. On a religious
> site, you can discuss in great detail your beliefs on this subject <<
>
> YOU .. asked me a question ..
>
> I answered it ..
>
> Then YOU say .. "don't you think that there are better places to
> discuss your
> interpretation of passages"..
>
> You kind of a weird .. guy ..

You two should really iron out your differences and not letting it go on
until it gets too bloody. Perhaps we should lock you two up in a rust-ic
cabin in iron ranges of Minnesota and fight it out

J666 <j666@nowhere.com> fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the
result: news:0001HW.C45B00B0000D1F00F0407530@news-server.rgv.rr.com:

> On Thu, 22 May 2008 10:18:42 -0500, ironjustice@aol.com wrote
> (in message
> <8462e94f-751c-4b46-97eb-977fd6df6699@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>):
>
>> On May 22, 6:48*am, Thing <manji...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Tom don't you think that there are better places to discuss your
>> interpretation of passages from the bible, than this place ? All
>> that happens here is that people ridicule your beliefs. On a
>> religious site, you can discuss in great detail your beliefs on this
>> subject <<
>>
>> YOU .. asked me a question ..
>>
>> I answered it ..
>>
>> Then YOU say .. "don't you think that there are better places to
>> discuss your
>> interpretation of passages"..
>>
>> You kind of a weird .. guy ..
>
> You two should really iron out your differences and not letting it go
> on until it gets too bloody. Perhaps we should lock you two up in a
> rust-ic cabin in iron ranges of Minnesota and fight it out

Oops, you said "*iron* out your differences" - That must mean that you
don't support iron in the diet. Way to go in supporting our rusty nut-job




--
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Marc Bissonnette wrote:
>
> J666 <j666@nowhere.com> fell face-first on the keyboard. This was the
> result: news:0001HW.C45B00B0000D1F00F0407530@news-server.rgv.rr.com:
>
> > On Thu, 22 May 2008 10:18:42 -0500, ironjustice@aol.com wrote
> > (in message
> > <8462e94f-751c-4b46-97eb-977fd6df6699@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>):
> >
> >> On May 22, 6:48 am, Thing <manji...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Tom don't you think that there are better places to discuss your
> >> interpretation of passages from the bible, than this place ? All
> >> that happens here is that people ridicule your beliefs. On a
> >> religious site, you can discuss in great detail your beliefs on this
> >> subject <<
> >>
> >> YOU .. asked me a question ..
> >>
> >> I answered it ..
> >>
> >> Then YOU say .. "don't you think that there are better places to
> >> discuss your
> >> interpretation of passages"..
> >>
> >> You kind of a weird .. guy ..
> >
> > You two should really iron out your differences and not letting it go
> > on until it gets too bloody. Perhaps we should lock you two up in a
> > rust-ic cabin in iron ranges of Minnesota and fight it out
>
> Oops, you said "*iron* out your differences" - That must mean that you
> don't support iron in the diet. Way to go in supporting our rusty nut-job
>
>
> --
> Marc Bissonnette
> Looking for a new ISP? http://www.canadianisp.com
> Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.