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Old 08-09-2008, 06:15 PM
dillydally
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Default Re: Now I get what Edwards meant by "Two Americas"

GET REAL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow1pwtFpvq8

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Edward's "behavior" goes on every day across "America."

Ask John McInane, your choice for president!

Wife gets cancer ... treatment renders her weak, unattractive,
unwilling ... husband attends support group for spouses of
victims ...
he meets a wife or wives married to male cancer victims ... over
several weeks, months, mutual attraction sets in ... then SEX!
THANKFULLY!

Happens all the time, everywhere.

Just as often, its the wife meeting new a fuck-mate.

Lesson: Never turn down -- or stop pursuing -- a piece of ass ...
might be your last chance, especially if you're pushin' 50.


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Old 08-09-2008, 07:28 PM
awthrawthr@gmail.com
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On Aug 9, 10:48*am, dillydally <clitte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> GET REAL!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow1pwtFpvq8
>
> -------------------
>
> Edward's "behavior" goes on every day across "America."
>
> Ask John McInane, your choice for president!
>
> Wife gets cancer ... treatment renders her weak, unattractive,
> unwilling ... husband attends support group for spouses of
> victims ...
> he meets a wife or wives married to male cancer victims ... over
> several weeks, months, mutual attraction sets in ... then SEX!
> THANKFULLY!
>
> Happens all the time, everywhere.
>
> Just as often, its the wife meeting new a fuck-mate.
>
> Lesson: *Never turn down -- or stop pursuing -- a piece of ass ...
> might be your last chance, especially if you're pushin' 50.


Yeah, you're right about it happening all over. It would be nice if
all our leaders were like Abraham Lincoln, but that's rare, isn't it.
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Old 08-09-2008, 10:34 PM
Les Cargill
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Default Re: Now I get what Edwards meant by "Two Americas"

awthrawthr@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 9, 10:48 am, dillydally <clitte...@yahoo.com> wrote:

<snip>
>
> Yeah, you're right about it happening all over. It would be nice if
> all our leaders were like Abraham Lincoln, but that's rare, isn't it.



Are you sure it would be nice?

Lincoln was a "railroad lawyer". We still use the term "railroaded"
as a perjorative for acts perpetuated by that sort of person. Lincoln
suspended habeus corpus, then dared Congrefs to impeach him for it.

Lincoln was a good President for the Civil War, but he might have
been a lousy fit for other spans of time. He lucked into his
great generals. But this was a different sort of war, and there
was no thing he could have used to select them other than simple
cut and try. Grant's great innovation? Hold firm. Sherman's?
Total war. Neither were the sort of thing you could have discussed
in polite company prior to the war. GRant was perpetually
decried as insensitive to loss, and Sherman's sanity was never
firmly established.

I'm pretty biased by Shelby Foote in this regard; Lincoln was
a man of vision who had great good fortune not to be eaten by
the political process; there were a couple or four battles that
decided his second election. It was very near. The North
tried very hard to lose the War before Grant proved himself
in the Trans Mississippi.

Still, his contribution to, of all things, the American language
are unsurpassed (but built on by Sam Clemens).

"Good" and "bad' are subjective; especially in American politics, where
we tend to schism on Jackson/Jefferson vs. Adams/Hamilton. It's
still a living debate, although the Jackson/Jefferson camp has
tended to be obliterated by sheer economic power. Judging from Usenet,
the debate could use some time in the refrigerator. It's beginning
to smell a bit.

I suspect that historians will identify the weaknesses of the Bushies
as architectural flaws in our politics, and they'll get *mostly* a bye.
We tend to be pretty tired of the b*stard we elected eight years ago.

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Les Cargill
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Old 08-10-2008, 01:36 AM
awthrawthr@gmail.com
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On Aug 9, 1:32*pm, Les Cargill <lcarg...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> awthraw...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Aug 9, 10:48 am, dillydally <clitte...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> <snip>
>
> > Yeah, you're right about it happening all over. It would be nice if
> > all our leaders were like Abraham Lincoln, but that's rare, isn't it.

>
> Are you sure it would be nice?
>
> Lincoln was a "railroad lawyer". We still use the term "railroaded"
> as a perjorative for acts perpetuated by that sort of person. Lincoln
> suspended habeus corpus, then dared Congrefs to impeach him for it.
>
> Lincoln was a good President for the Civil War, but he might have
> been a lousy fit for other spans of time. He lucked into his
> great generals. But this was a different sort of war, and there
> was no thing he could have used to select them other than simple
> cut and try. Grant's great innovation? Hold firm. Sherman's?
> Total war. Neither were the sort of thing you could have discussed
> in polite company prior to the war. GRant was perpetually
> decried as insensitive to loss, and Sherman's sanity was never
> firmly established.
>
> I'm pretty biased by Shelby Foote in this regard; Lincoln was
> a man of vision who had great good fortune not to be eaten by
> the political process; there were a couple or four battles that
> decided his second election. It was very near. The North
> tried very hard to lose the War before Grant proved himself
> in the Trans Mississippi.
>
> Still, his contribution to, of all things, the American language
> are unsurpassed (but built on by Sam Clemens).
>
> "Good" and "bad' are subjective; especially in American politics, where
> we tend to schism on Jackson/Jefferson vs. Adams/Hamilton. It's
> still a living debate, although the Jackson/Jefferson camp has
> tended to be obliterated by sheer economic power. Judging from Usenet,
> the debate could use some time in the refrigerator. It's beginning
> to smell a bit.
>
> I suspect that historians will identify the weaknesses of the Bushies
> as architectural flaws in our politics, and they'll get *mostly* a bye.
> We tend to be pretty tired of the b*stard we elected eight years ago.
>
> --
> Les Cargill


First let me say, I'm not the historian you are.

Regarding the slight against Lincoln's being a railroad lawyer is a
more than a bit of a cheap shot. Lincoln was widely respected for his
integrity as a lawyer. To impugn him the way you did indicates a bias
regarding the rest of what you might say.

As for Shelby Foote, he was a historian rooting for the South. So his
praise of Lincoln is mostly designed to make General Lee look smarter
and more elevated than Lincoln.

The thing that makes Lincoln so great (#1 in my limited opinion) is
that his war was amongst his own with brother fighting brother. His
first goal was to preserve the Union, a rather extraordinary task to
accomplish. He had to win the war AND save the entire nation. He
achieved that most difficult task.

Finally, my reference was to his ability to suffer his mentally ill
wife for so long a time without screwing the staff.
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