Soda warning: High sugar intake linked to pancreatic cancer

"Vernon" <anere@anhere> wrote:

>200 years ago there was practically no cancer or heart disease.
>200 years ago it was almost impossible to get sugar except for honey.

Away goes Vernon on another flight of fancy.

I live in a country where the original colony was relatively more
difficult to supply than the International Space Station is today. One
of the things done during the 1787-8 First Fleet trip to Australia was
to collect sugar cane from South Africa so that the fledgling colony
could have a reliable supply of sugar. Intensive cane farming started
on Norfolk Island in 1788. In 1821 large-scale farming was commenced
in Australia using cane brought in from Norfolk Island, but up until
that time sugar was supplied from what we would today call "hobby
farms".

And why was sugar needed for the colony? Because the ration for a
convict was 1 pound of sugar per week.

This must be why everybody in Australia in the early years died of
cancer - it was because of the sugar they were eating. But didn't
Vernon also say that there was "practically no cancer" then.

Please explain these seemingly contradictory statements, Vernon - if
cancer was unknown when people ate a pound of sugar a week, why is it
prevalent now when consumption is much less than that. That's after
you explain how convicts could be supplied with a pound a week when it
was almost impossible to get.
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Peter Bowditch <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote:

>I live in a country where the original colony was relatively more
>difficult to supply than the International Space Station is today. One
>of the things done during the 1787-8 First Fleet trip to Australia was
>to collect sugar cane from South Africa so that the fledgling colony
>could have a reliable supply of sugar. Intensive cane farming started
>on Norfolk Island in 1788. In 1821 large-scale farming was commenced
>in Australia using cane brought in from Norfolk Island, but up until
>that time sugar was supplied from what we would today call "hobby
>farms".

Slight correction.

but up until that time sugar was supplied from what we would today
call "hobby farms" as well as imports from Norfolk Island.
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In message <45577495$0$17478$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews.com> , Vernon wrote:

> Sugar aggravates cancer of practically every kind.

He's right, you know. Cancer is always totally eliminated
by reducing serum sugars to zero.

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In message <45577495$0$17478$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews.com> , Vernon wrote:

> 200 years ago there was practically no cancer or heart disease.

I'd be very interested in seeing the age-cohort statistics
to back that up, considering that my own family history
going back well over 200 years has almost all of the adults
dying of either heart disease or cancer.

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"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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> Rich wrote:
>> "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message
>> news:j91al2ltl3f2b2oedhoeaaqm80af1fbm2l@4ax.com...
>>> "Rod" <deniecerod1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:8tu7l29p5au28f3422ftk0c42v8dor6sta@4ax.com...
>>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.newstarget.com/z021031.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Originally published November 9 2006
>>>>>> Soda warning: High sugar intake linked to pancreatic cancer
>>>>>> (NewsTarget) On Wednesday, research was released from the Karolinska
>>>>>> Institute in Sweden that showed people who drink soft drinks or add
>>>>>> sugar
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> their coffee increase their risk of developing pancreatic cancer.
>>>>> It's just as well that I switched over to aspartame when I was
>>>>> diagnosed with diabetes, isn't it? My pancreas is in enough trouble
>>>>> already.
>>>> Maybe you will be able to tell us all how effective your switch has
>>>> been?
>>>> Like do you still have Diabetes? If so, what do you believe is the
>>>> cause?
>>> I will have diabetes until I die. There is no cure. I do have it under
>>> reasonably good control, though, which I achieved by changing my diet,
>>> getting more exercise, and using medication )which I might not have to
>>> take forever). If I stop the metformin and go back to eating twice as
>>> much food as I need I will be back to where I was in a very short
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Nobody knows the cause, but, like many things, it appears to be a
>>> combination of genetics and environment. It is not caused by obesity
>>> (my spare tyre was a result of insulin resistance, not a cause), it is
>>> not caused by lethargy, it is not caused by eating sugar. Finding a
>>> cause will take the search for a cure a long way forward.
>>>
>>> You suffer from a chronic incurable disease, so you should understand
>>> that even if all the signs and symptoms are controlled the disease is
>>> still there. Diabetes is no different. If I went a month without my
>>> blood glucose level ever rising above 5mmol/l at any time I would be
>>> ecstatic. But I wouldn't be cured.
>>
>>
>> Actually, a pancreas transplant effects a virtual "cure" of diabetes, but
>> it trades off for a life-long chemical suppression of the immune system.
>> More promising is the artificial pancreas, a microprocessor managed
>> implanted device that determines blood sugar level every few minutes and
>> calculates and delivers an appropriate insulin dose in real time. All you
>> would have to do is refill the device's reservoir with an injection of
>> Humulin-R every three or four months. The ultimate treatment would be to
>> discover a way to produce stem cells with your own DNA profile and a way
>> to use them to produce a whole new pancreas that your body would not
>> reject. While we're at it, let's fantasize a way to alter the DNA of that
>> pancreas to defeat the genetic process that caused your original organ to
>> cease producing enough insulin, and a way to alter the DNA of your whole
>> body to reverse "insulin resitance."
>>
>> All of this is so likely to occur as to be inevitable, possibly within
>> your lifetime. So keep your HgB A1C down and your fingers crossed. When
>> it happens, you want to still have your kindeys, retinas, and feet.
>
> Nice to see you back....everything OK, I hope.

Everything's fine. I was house and dog sitting for a friend while he was out
of town. He only has a slow dial-up access from an Apple computer which I
find clumsy to use. So I haven't spent much time online in the last couple
of weeks.

>
> The insulin pump is a reality but the problem is that it still requires
> human testing. The goal is to develop an algorithm that will allow a
> sensor to report blood glucose and then give just enough insulin to
> moderate it, when needed. Since people respond differently to insulin,
> i.e. the degree of the decrease in blood glucose, along with the time of
> the response, are individual responses, the system has to be very "smart"
> and this is where the problem lies.

Some very smart ones are being tested in dogs now. It takes a long time for
this technology to get approved for humans, though. Contrary to altie
opinion, the FDA can't be easily paid off to skimp on the necessary safety
testing.
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"Vernon" <anere@anhere> wrote in message
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>
> 200 years ago it was almost impossible to get sugar except for honey.

Two hundred years ago would be 1806. By that time, the Spanish, Dutch, and
British had extensive sugar cane plantations in the West Indies, and were
shipping millions of tons of sugar and rum to Europe. Even before then sugar
was available from the mideast. It was expensive, but hardly "almost
impossible to get." The Dutch and the Brits still consume far more sugar per
capita than we Americans.

For all your vaunted "education," Vern, you sure do have a hard time keeping
your facts straight.
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http://www.newstarget.com/z021031.html

Originally published November 9 2006
Soda warning: High sugar intake linked to pancreatic cancer
(NewsTarget) On Wednesday, research was released from the Karolinska
Institute in Sweden that showed people who drink soft drinks or add sugar to
their coffee increase their risk of developing pancreatic cancer.
The researchers studied the diets of nearly 80,000 men and women between
1997 and 2005. Of those, 131 developed cancer of the pancreas. The group of
people who reported drinking sodas or syrup-based drinks twice a day or more
were 90 percent more likely to develop pancreatic cancer than those who did
not consume such beverages; people who added sugar to their drinks about
five times a day were 70 percent more likely to contract the disease; and
those who consumed the popular Swedish sugary dessert known as creamed fruit
were at a 50 percent increased risk for the cancer, according to the results
published in the American Jounral of Clinical Nutrition.


"The researchers have now been able to show that the risk of developing
pancreatic cancer is related to the amount of sugar in the diet," said a
statement released by the institute.


"Despite the fact that the chances of developing pancreatic cancer are
relatively small, it's important to learn more about the risk factors behind
the disease," said researcher Susanna Larsson.


Pancreatic cancer is one of the most deadly forms of the disease, and is
notoriously difficult to treat because it usually does not get diagnosed
until it has spread beyond the pancreas. About 216,000 new cases of the
cancer are diagnosed each year, mostly in developed countries and mostly in
people older than 60.


"It is perhaps the most serious form of cancer, with very poor prognoses for
its victims," Larsson said. "Since it's difficult to treat and is often
discovered too late, it's particularly important that we learn to prevent
it."


"Pancreatic cancer is just one more serious health danger that comes from
drinking soft drinks and sugar-laden beverages," said Mike Adams, a health
advocate and author of "The Five Soft Drink Monsters." "In both Europe and
the United States, these drinks are contributing, not only to cancer, but
also to the spreading obesity epidemic and the subsequent increase in type 2
diabetes cases.


"The path to true health does not include any refined sugars whatsoever,
least of all from 'sugar water' or sweetened juice drinks," he said.

Rich wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:s5s5h.1901$T_.559@trndny06...
>> Rich wrote:
>>> "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message
>>> news:j91al2ltl3f2b2oedhoeaaqm80af1fbm2l@4ax.com...
>>>> "Rod" <deniecerod1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:8tu7l29p5au28f3422ftk0c42v8dor6sta@4ax.com...
>>>>>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.newstarget.com/z021031.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Originally published November 9 2006
>>>>>>> Soda warning: High sugar intake linked to pancreatic cancer
>>>>>>> (NewsTarget) On Wednesday, research was released from the Karolinska
>>>>>>> Institute in Sweden that showed people who drink soft drinks or add
>>>>>>> sugar
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> their coffee increase their risk of developing pancreatic cancer.
>>>>>> It's just as well that I switched over to aspartame when I was
>>>>>> diagnosed with diabetes, isn't it? My pancreas is in enough trouble
>>>>>> already.
>>>>> Maybe you will be able to tell us all how effective your switch has
>>>>> been?
>>>>> Like do you still have Diabetes? If so, what do you believe is the
>>>>> cause?
>>>> I will have diabetes until I die. There is no cure. I do have it under
>>>> reasonably good control, though, which I achieved by changing my diet,
>>>> getting more exercise, and using medication )which I might not have to
>>>> take forever). If I stop the metformin and go back to eating twice as
>>>> much food as I need I will be back to where I was in a very short
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody knows the cause, but, like many things, it appears to be a
>>>> combination of genetics and environment. It is not caused by obesity
>>>> (my spare tyre was a result of insulin resistance, not a cause), it is
>>>> not caused by lethargy, it is not caused by eating sugar. Finding a
>>>> cause will take the search for a cure a long way forward.
>>>>
>>>> You suffer from a chronic incurable disease, so you should understand
>>>> that even if all the signs and symptoms are controlled the disease is
>>>> still there. Diabetes is no different. If I went a month without my
>>>> blood glucose level ever rising above 5mmol/l at any time I would be
>>>> ecstatic. But I wouldn't be cured.
>>>
>>> Actually, a pancreas transplant effects a virtual "cure" of diabetes, but
>>> it trades off for a life-long chemical suppression of the immune system.
>>> More promising is the artificial pancreas, a microprocessor managed
>>> implanted device that determines blood sugar level every few minutes and
>>> calculates and delivers an appropriate insulin dose in real time. All you
>>> would have to do is refill the device's reservoir with an injection of
>>> Humulin-R every three or four months. The ultimate treatment would be to
>>> discover a way to produce stem cells with your own DNA profile and a way
>>> to use them to produce a whole new pancreas that your body would not
>>> reject. While we're at it, let's fantasize a way to alter the DNA of that
>>> pancreas to defeat the genetic process that caused your original organ to
>>> cease producing enough insulin, and a way to alter the DNA of your whole
>>> body to reverse "insulin resitance."
>>>
>>> All of this is so likely to occur as to be inevitable, possibly within
>>> your lifetime. So keep your HgB A1C down and your fingers crossed. When
>>> it happens, you want to still have your kindeys, retinas, and feet.
>> Nice to see you back....everything OK, I hope.
>
> Everything's fine. I was house and dog sitting for a friend while he was out
> of town. He only has a slow dial-up access from an Apple computer which I
> find clumsy to use. So I haven't spent much time online in the last couple
> of weeks.

So that explains it...glad it was so simple...

>> The insulin pump is a reality but the problem is that it still requires
>> human testing. The goal is to develop an algorithm that will allow a
>> sensor to report blood glucose and then give just enough insulin to
>> moderate it, when needed. Since people respond differently to insulin,
>> i.e. the degree of the decrease in blood glucose, along with the time of
>> the response, are individual responses, the system has to be very "smart"
>> and this is where the problem lies.
>
> Some very smart ones are being tested in dogs now. It takes a long time for
> this technology to get approved for humans, though. Contrary to altie
> opinion, the FDA can't be easily paid off to skimp on the necessary safety
> testing.

Quite true. However, even the smart ones you refer to will still require
more that just periodic refills, which is the ultimate goal. Another
goal is to find a way to recharge batteries in implanted devices, thus
avoiding another surgery.