Poll Shocker: Ban Cigarettes?

"BoredToTears" <beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> CyberDroog wrote:
>> On 8 Nov 2006 11:17:37 -0800, "BoredToTears" <beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >CyberDroog wrote:
>> >>
>> >> And for those who don't... what makes you so sure their eventual death
>> >> is
>> >> smoking related?
>> >
>> >I'm sure I read somewhere that 50% of people who smoke die of a smoking
>> >related illness.
>>
>> I have never heard that. It doesn't even fit with the statistically
>> raised
>> risk cited by the CDC.
>>
>> But I am sure that 100% of people die due to not living any more...
>
> This study seems to suggest that smoking related illness can kill about
> 50% of smokers and in one particular group, up to two thirds of them:
>
> http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/new...004/june/38863
>
> Btw, ex-smoker and keen to keep it that way.
>

smoking is harmful, i don't think any reasonable person would say otherwise,
in 2006. even a few bowls of pipe tobacco (daily) can multiply oral cancer
risk by 16 times.

and i hear things like "my grandparents smoked and lived to 110 years old".
two people is not a big sample size.

Gravity

"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:00:29 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
> <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>CyberDroog wrote:
>>>
>>> No, there will be no tax or social pressures that will ever cause me to
>>> quit. Not even prohibition would cause me to quit. And my AR-15 would
>>> take out at least a few of the jackbooted thugs who showed up to tell me
>>> any different.
>>>
>>
>>"I would like to leave my family a bullet riddled corpse"
>
> Beats dying in a hospital bed...

so you're of the "give me liberty AND give me death" way of thinking.

CyberDroog wrote:
> On 8 Nov 2006 11:38:19 -0800, "BoredToTears" <beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >CyberDroog wrote:
> >>
> >> Just out of curiosity, what is the drawback of wandering up a Scottish
> >> mountain in jeans and a tee-shirt?
> >>
> >> I'd like to visit Scotland someday, so this might be important information
> >> to have.
> >
> >Freezing to death is a pretty major drawback. There are deaths every
> >year solely because people are not properly equipped. The mountain
> >rescue folk and the police get pretty fed-up with having to go to the
> >aid of the "jeans and t-shirt brigade". There have been calls to make
> >it compulsory for anyone climbing the mountains to have insurance to
> >cover the cost of any potential rescue. And there's the danger the
> >rescuers put themselves in. Earlier in the year an RAF helicopter crew
> >had to make a forced landing and abandon their aircraft on a mountain
> >side because of the weather conditions. The mountain rescue service had
> >to rescue the rescuers.
> >
> >And don't forget the wild haggi. Fearsome beasts...
>
> I didn't realize the mountains were that high. I suppose I was thinking of
> The Englishman Who Went Up a Hill but Came Down a Mountian. But that was in
> Wales, if I recall correctly.
>
> Wild Haggi? Is this a joke or a real animal?

It's not just their height, in absolute terms there are pretty small
but they have been around for about 4 or 5 hundred million years and
have been estimated to have been as big as if not bigger than the
Himalayas. It's how far north they are. The Grampian plateau has an
Arctic tundra-like climate with flora and fauna to match. Now under
threat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Scotland

As for haggis, or haggi, you pays yer money and you makes yer choice:

http://www.wallydug.demon.co.uk/haggis/leaflet.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_haggis

On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:51:48 -0600, "Gravity" <gravity@example.net>
wrote:

>
>"BoredToTears" <beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:1163101426.843836.116290@m73g2000cwd.googleg roups.com...
>>
>> CyberDroog wrote:
>>> On 8 Nov 2006 11:17:37 -0800, "BoredToTears" <beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >CyberDroog wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> And for those who don't... what makes you so sure their eventual death
>>> >> is
>>> >> smoking related?
>>> >
>>> >I'm sure I read somewhere that 50% of people who smoke die of a smoking
>>> >related illness.
>>>
>>> I have never heard that. It doesn't even fit with the statistically
>>> raised
>>> risk cited by the CDC.
>>>
>>> But I am sure that 100% of people die due to not living any more...
>>
>> This study seems to suggest that smoking related illness can kill about
>> 50% of smokers and in one particular group, up to two thirds of them:
>>
>> http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/new...004/june/38863
>>
>> Btw, ex-smoker and keen to keep it that way.
>>
>
>smoking is harmful, i don't think any reasonable person would say otherwise,
>in 2006. even a few bowls of pipe tobacco (daily) can multiply oral cancer
>risk by 16 times.
>
>and i hear things like "my grandparents smoked and lived to 110 years old".
>two people is not a big sample size.
>
>Gravity
>
I heard pot's loaded with tar, much more than cigarettes, is that just
BS?

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:07:19 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
<franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:

>CyberDroog wrote:
>> On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:00:29 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
>> <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> CyberDroog wrote:
>>>> No, there will be no tax or social pressures that will ever cause me to
>>>> quit. Not even prohibition would cause me to quit. And my AR-15 would take
>>>> out at least a few of the jackbooted thugs who showed up to tell me any
>>>> different.
>>>>
>>> "I would like to leave my family a bullet riddled corpse"
>>
>> Beats dying in a hospital bed...
>
>Yes, but consider a scenario in which such imaginary legislation were to
>have been passed on Tuesday. Do you want your son to know that his
>father was waving his gun around in the yard and shooting at the
>authorities before he was gunned down by multiple police units over tobacco?

Sure, why not? Do you think it was a shame for the Jews in Warsaw to fight
and die in front of their children?

Not quite the same issue, granted... but a police state is a police state.

On 9 Nov 2006 11:43:46 -0800, "BoredToTears" <beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>This study seems to suggest that smoking related illness can kill about
>50% of smokers and in one particular group, up to two thirds of them:
>
>http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/new...004/june/38863
>
>Btw, ex-smoker and keen to keep it that way.

Notice which ten years people lose. The last ten. Big deal, so you've
avoided Altzheimer's and a nursing home.

That study also suggests that quitting at age 50 halves the risk. I now
have permission to smoke for eight more years.

On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:08:03 -0500, "cal" <cal1360@gmaNOSPAMail.com> wrote:

>"CyberDroog" <CyberDroog@ClockworkOrange.com> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:00:29 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
>> <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>CyberDroog wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, there will be no tax or social pressures that will ever cause me to
>>>> quit. Not even prohibition would cause me to quit. And my AR-15 would
>>>> take out at least a few of the jackbooted thugs who showed up to tell me
>>>> any different.
>>>>
>>>
>>>"I would like to leave my family a bullet riddled corpse"
>>
>> Beats dying in a hospital bed...
>
>so you're of the "give me liberty AND give me death" way of thinking.

Prohibition is liberty?

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:54:17 -0600, Bacon <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I heard pot's loaded with tar, much more than cigarettes, is that just
>BS?

I'd say, from personal experience cleaning out pot and hash pipes, it is
not BS. Those were always hard times. You'd scrape out the resins from all
of your pipes and smoke them.

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CyberDroog wrote:
> On 9 Nov 2006 11:43:46 -0800, "BoredToTears" <beejayceee1@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>>This study seems to suggest that smoking related illness can kill about
>>50% of smokers and in one particular group, up to two thirds of them:
>>
>>http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/new...004/june/38863
>>
>>Btw, ex-smoker and keen to keep it that way.
>
>
> Notice which ten years people lose. The last ten. Big deal, so you've
> avoided Altzheimer's and a nursing home.
>
> That study also suggests that quitting at age 50 halves the risk. I now
> have permission to smoke for eight more years.


Unless you get a stroke early on. I hope you don't have any family
history that you're piling onto with the cigs. They're bad for you
Droog. If you're willing to take the risk, it's your life, but they are
bad for you, period. They increase the probability of bad stuff
happening, and I'd hate to see little Buddhahead lose a father. Sorry,
I had to say it.

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:26:54 GMT, Janithor <Janithor@comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>CyberDroog wrote:

>> That study also suggests that quitting at age 50 halves the risk. I now
>> have permission to smoke for eight more years.
>
>
>Unless you get a stroke early on. I hope you don't have any family
>history that you're piling onto with the cigs. They're bad for you
>Droog. If you're willing to take the risk, it's your life, but they are
>bad for you, period. They increase the probability of bad stuff
>happening, and I'd hate to see little Buddhahead lose a father. Sorry,
>I had to say it.

Or die of lung cancer at 36 as my mother did.

p
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CyberDroog wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:54:17 -0600, Bacon <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I heard pot's loaded with tar, much more than cigarettes, is that just
>> BS?
>
> I'd say, from personal experience cleaning out pot and hash pipes, it is
> not BS. Those were always hard times. You'd scrape out the resins from all
> of your pipes and smoke them.
>

No doubt, the resin is prime scrapings for those jonesing.

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:42:44 -0700, Franz Bestuchev wrote:

> CyberDroog wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:54:17 -0600, Bacon <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I heard pot's loaded with tar, much more than cigarettes, is that just
>>> BS?
>>
>> I'd say, from personal experience cleaning out pot and hash pipes, it
>> is not BS. Those were always hard times. You'd scrape out the resins
>> from all of your pipes and smoke them.
>>
> No doubt, the resin is prime scrapings for those jonesing.

It can get you through a day or two.

As for the tar issue... cannabis isn't tobacco. Tar doesn't cause
cancer... it's what's in the tar that causes cancer.

You want to talk about emphysema, that's another discussion.

Smoking pot or cigarettes your entire life may or may not give you
cancer... but you smoke anything long enough and it will give you
emphysema.

CyberDroog wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:07:19 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
> <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> CyberDroog wrote:
>>> On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:00:29 -0700, Franz Bestuchev
>>> <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> CyberDroog wrote:
>>>>> No, there will be no tax or social pressures that will ever cause me to
>>>>> quit. Not even prohibition would cause me to quit. And my AR-15 would take
>>>>> out at least a few of the jackbooted thugs who showed up to tell me any
>>>>> different.
>>>>>
>>>> "I would like to leave my family a bullet riddled corpse"
>>> Beats dying in a hospital bed...
>> Yes, but consider a scenario in which such imaginary legislation were to
>> have been passed on Tuesday. Do you want your son to know that his
>> father was waving his gun around in the yard and shooting at the
>> authorities before he was gunned down by multiple police units over tobacco?
>
> Sure, why not? Do you think it was a shame for the Jews in Warsaw to fight
> and die in front of their children?
>
> Not quite the same issue, granted... but a police state is a police state.

Not the same issue at all, in fact you're reaching so hard for this one
that you just might pull your groin.

I hope your family doesn't grieve too long the next time a local
referendum passes that you find disagreeable.

Anyhow I think you've invoked a form of Godwin's law - so I don't
believe there's anything further to be said here. Nice...strange
discourse this has been.