Saw the Movie

"The Bridge." It was okay, I guess. I thought it was superficial,
but maybe that's all it could be if it wasn't to be a cult flick.
Just now read a review, part says "...surprisingly dull and
uninvolving." It did reaffirm my decision to stay away from the
bridge, just too easy an answer for so many problems.

The piece Mark wrote here about the bridge was more affecting, at
least for me.

In article <nkm8k2pqks146kcs6akjbsr68mtvr72r35@4ax.com>,
Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote:

> "The Bridge." It was okay, I guess. I thought it was superficial,
> but maybe that's all it could be if it wasn't to be a cult flick.
> Just now read a review, part says "...surprisingly dull and
> uninvolving." It did reaffirm my decision to stay away from the
> bridge, just too easy an answer for so many problems.

The big question I have is: was it a "snuff film" or not? Was it all
about showing people dying for your viewing pleasure, or was it a
sincere call for attention to be paid to a real social need?

Mark

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:55:40 GMT, RGB <RGB-101506@gipgipgip.com>
wrote:

>In article <nkm8k2pqks146kcs6akjbsr68mtvr72r35@4ax.com>,
> Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote:
>
>> "The Bridge." It was okay, I guess. I thought it was superficial,
>> but maybe that's all it could be if it wasn't to be a cult flick.
>> Just now read a review, part says "...surprisingly dull and
>> uninvolving." It did reaffirm my decision to stay away from the
>> bridge, just too easy an answer for so many problems.
>
>The big question I have is: was it a "snuff film" or not? Was it all
>about showing people dying for your viewing pleasure, or was it a
>sincere call for attention to be paid to a real social need?
>
>Mark


Neither, really. There were scenes of falling and splashes, done from
far enough away that it wasn't grotesque. there was some mention of
problems people had getting help, but not much. I don't remember any
discussion about the proposed barrier. Mostly interviews with friends
and family members. One thing that sort of surprised me was how
accepting some of the family members were of the suicides, they seemed
to have some understanding of what the subject was going through. I
got bored, and I found myself thinking at one point in the movie that
I really didn't care about these people. that probably says too much
about me

I had hoped to be affected, to maybe learn something about myself, and
I may yet, but so far nothing.

In article <2ko8k2pvqbdp3v059870mniqmlhvgi58q5@4ax.com>,
Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote:

> > > "The Bridge." [ ... ]
> >
> > The big question I have is: was it a "snuff film" or not? Was it
> > all about showing people dying for your viewing pleasure, or was it
> > a sincere call for attention to be paid to a real social need?
>
> Neither, really. There were scenes of falling and splashes, done
> from far enough away that it wasn't grotesque. there was some
> mention of problems people had getting help, but not much. I don't
> remember any discussion about the proposed barrier. Mostly
> interviews with friends and family members. One thing that sort of
> surprised me was how accepting some of the family members were of the
> suicides, they seemed to have some understanding of what the subject
> was going through. I got bored, and I found myself thinking at one
> point in the movie that I really didn't care about these people.
> that probably says too much about me
>
> I had hoped to be affected, to maybe learn something about myself,
> and I may yet, but so far nothing.

Other big question, then: the "Werther Effect" that my dear, dear friend
B*v regarded as a continual danger in my posts and references, do you
think it might be a danger here? Can you imagine a suicidal person
seeing this film and being carried away by some kind of romantic appeal
and going ahead and doing it?

Mark

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:31:15 GMT, RGB <RGB-101506@gipgipgip.com>
wrote:

>In article <2ko8k2pvqbdp3v059870mniqmlhvgi58q5@4ax.com>,
> Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote:
>
>> > > "The Bridge." [ ... ]
>> >
>> > The big question I have is: was it a "snuff film" or not? Was it
>> > all about showing people dying for your viewing pleasure, or was it
>> > a sincere call for attention to be paid to a real social need?
>>
>> Neither, really. There were scenes of falling and splashes, done
>> from far enough away that it wasn't grotesque. there was some
>> mention of problems people had getting help, but not much. I don't
>> remember any discussion about the proposed barrier. Mostly
>> interviews with friends and family members. One thing that sort of
>> surprised me was how accepting some of the family members were of the
>> suicides, they seemed to have some understanding of what the subject
>> was going through. I got bored, and I found myself thinking at one
>> point in the movie that I really didn't care about these people.
>> that probably says too much about me
>>
>> I had hoped to be affected, to maybe learn something about myself,
>> and I may yet, but so far nothing.
>
>Other big question, then: the "Werther Effect" that my dear, dear friend
>B*v regarded as a continual danger in my posts and references, do you
>think it might be a danger here? Can you imagine a suicidal person
>seeing this film and being carried away by some kind of romantic appeal
>and going ahead and doing it?
>
>Mark


Not from the movie, not nearly as strong an effect as just from the
bridge. Maybe if a person was at 51:49 % this might add a bit of
incentive, or they may journey to SF rather than keeping it at home,
although the bridge gets its fair share of people from far away
already. The act is not painted as attractive.

I can't relate to the Werther Effect, I've read a little about it but
I can't summon up feelings like that in myself. I can understand that
living hurts and the desire to make the pain go away.

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:22:41 GMT, Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:55:40 GMT, RGB <RGB-101506@gipgipgip.com>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <nkm8k2pqks146kcs6akjbsr68mtvr72r35@4ax.com>,
>> Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "The Bridge." It was okay, I guess. I thought it was superficial,
>>> but maybe that's all it could be if it wasn't to be a cult flick.
>>> Just now read a review, part says "...surprisingly dull and
>>> uninvolving." It did reaffirm my decision to stay away from the
>>> bridge, just too easy an answer for so many problems.
>>
>>The big question I have is: was it a "snuff film" or not? Was it all
>>about showing people dying for your viewing pleasure, or was it a
>>sincere call for attention to be paid to a real social need?
>>
>>Mark
>
>
>Neither, really. There were scenes of falling and splashes, done from
>far enough away that it wasn't grotesque. there was some mention of
>problems people had getting help, but not much. I don't remember any
>discussion about the proposed barrier. Mostly interviews with friends
>and family members. One thing that sort of surprised me was how
>accepting some of the family members were of the suicides, they seemed
>to have some understanding of what the subject was going through. I
>got bored, and I found myself thinking at one point in the movie that
>I really didn't care about these people. that probably says too much
>about me
>
>I had hoped to be affected, to maybe learn something about myself, and
>I may yet, but so far nothing.

One of the most vivid images I've ever seen was of "The Falling Man"
on 9/11. (SP: disturbing) -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Falling_Man

Curious, would this be considered suicide? If you believed suicide
was a sin, would you be inclined not to jump and suffer a more painful
death...

Bacon wrote:

> One of the most vivid images I've ever seen was of "The Falling Man"
> on 9/11. (SP: disturbing) -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Falling_Man

Thanks for the link, I'm gonna hunt down
the documentary. This image stays with
me -- but there's another of a man and
woman holding hands.

> Curious, would this be considered suicide? If you believed suicide
> was a sin, would you be inclined not to jump and suffer a more painful
> death...

Interesting question. I suppose the case
can be made that some jumped because the
fire had sucked all the oxygen out of
the room. Jumping offered another few
precious seconds to live. Maybe.

Gayle

"Bacon" <rbkfour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fen9k2lg9vr7fv9fk6m4odofpusrk2fpvm@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:22:41 GMT, Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:55:40 GMT, RGB <RGB-101506@gipgipgip.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <nkm8k2pqks146kcs6akjbsr68mtvr72r35@4ax.com>,
>>> Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "The Bridge." It was okay, I guess. I thought it was superficial,
>>>> but maybe that's all it could be if it wasn't to be a cult flick.
>>>> Just now read a review, part says "...surprisingly dull and
>>>> uninvolving." It did reaffirm my decision to stay away from the
>>>> bridge, just too easy an answer for so many problems.
>>>
>>>The big question I have is: was it a "snuff film" or not? Was it all
>>>about showing people dying for your viewing pleasure, or was it a
>>>sincere call for attention to be paid to a real social need?
>>>
>>>Mark
>>
>>
>>Neither, really. There were scenes of falling and splashes, done from
>>far enough away that it wasn't grotesque. there was some mention of
>>problems people had getting help, but not much. I don't remember any
>>discussion about the proposed barrier. Mostly interviews with friends
>>and family members. One thing that sort of surprised me was how
>>accepting some of the family members were of the suicides, they seemed
>>to have some understanding of what the subject was going through. I
>>got bored, and I found myself thinking at one point in the movie that
>>I really didn't care about these people. that probably says too much
>>about me
>>
>>I had hoped to be affected, to maybe learn something about myself, and
>>I may yet, but so far nothing.
>
> One of the most vivid images I've ever seen was of "The Falling Man"
> on 9/11. (SP: disturbing) -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Falling_Man
>
> Curious, would this be considered suicide? If you believed suicide
> was a sin, would you be inclined not to jump and suffer a more painful
> death...

I don't think this would be considered suicide. It was probably more about
instinct. Fright and flight response and blind panic. Personally, if I
thought I had absolutely no hope of rescue, I would rather jump than burn.

--
Rhi

In message <iOCdnRfA2ckvadnYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@rcn.net>, Gayle
<gayleco@rcn.com> writes
>Bacon wrote:
>
>> One of the most vivid images I've ever seen was of "The Falling Man"
>> on 9/11. (SP: disturbing) -
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Falling_Man
>
>Thanks for the link, I'm gonna hunt down the documentary. This image
>stays with me -- but there's another of a man and woman holding hands.
>
>> Curious, would this be considered suicide? If you believed suicide
>> was a sin, would you be inclined not to jump and suffer a more painful
>> death...
>
>Interesting question. I suppose the case can be made that some jumped
>because the fire had sucked all the oxygen out of the room. Jumping
>offered another few precious seconds to live. Maybe.

Given the choice of burning to death or freefall, I'd jump. They're by
the window, so they aren't likely to suffocate.

--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?

In article <iOCdnRfA2ckvadnYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@rcn.net>,
Gayle <gayleco@rcn.com> wrote:

> Interesting question. I suppose the case can be made that some jumped
> because the fire had sucked all the oxygen out of the room. Jumping
> offered another few precious seconds to live. Maybe.

I always assumed they jumped because they were being scorched by the
2000 degree inferno the building had turned into, but I'm not really
too comfortable speculating much more on this.

It reminds me... many years ago, I had a discussion with a woman who
insisted LIFE was so precious she'd rather burn at the stake than be
shot, because burning at the stake would give her a few extra minutes
of LIFE. I thought she was full of shit, but it was one or those
arguments where you can't exactly settle things by trying it to see.

I also am remembering a rather weird discussion I had years before
that, where I was talking with a friend who insisted that if he saw a
large plane was about to crash into the World Trade Center, he wouldn't
look up to watch, presumably because he was more spiritually
enlightened than to find something like that to be of any interest.
Years later, he worked in the WTC for 7 years, quitting his job only 5
months before 9/11. He doesn't remember the conversation.

Mark