Switched pain meds

Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company wants
an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance program
comes through.

To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches. Worried
about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under them while
exercising... Patches suck.

"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4pcg04Fic37oU1@individual.net...
> Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company wants
> an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance program
> comes through.
>
> To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches. Worried
> about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under them while
> exercising... Patches suck.

methadone is CHEAP!
You shouldn't have any problems whatsoever with assistance
Compared to all the other pain meds (especially the schedule IIs), its dirt
cheap..........
I went on it but it swelled my throat, so they said I was
allergic..........I was kinda bummed too because I'd talked to other
patients who said it worked really well for them

just not for me
but i was shocked at how cheap it is

justabeing

Franz Bestuchev wrote:
> Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company wants
> an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance program
> comes through.
>
> To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches. Worried
> about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under them while
> exercising... Patches suck.

If you are also on an antidepressant, don't forget what happened to
Anna Nicole's son. He was on two antidepressants and was taking
methadone. I take Vic for pain, one every other day usually,( and
Paxil every day) but I think I need the narcotic more than the Tylenol
in it, but if I tell the doctor that, he just stares like I'm some
street person dealing, so I can't experiment to find the ideal thing.

justabeing wrote:
> "Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4pcg04Fic37oU1@individual.net...
>> Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company wants
>> an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance program
>> comes through.
>>
>> To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches. Worried
>> about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under them while
>> exercising... Patches suck.
>
> methadone is CHEAP!
> You shouldn't have any problems whatsoever with assistance
> Compared to all the other pain meds (especially the schedule IIs), its dirt
> cheap..........
> I went on it but it swelled my throat, so they said I was
> allergic..........I was kinda bummed too because I'd talked to other
> patients who said it worked really well for them
>
> just not for me
> but i was shocked at how cheap it is
>
> justabeing
>
>

Yea, that's why I switched to it...CHEAP. 120 10mg pills were just under
$3.50.

"Boo!shka" <carollombard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160842096.094270.176650@k70g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Franz Bestuchev wrote:
>> Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company wants
>> an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance program
>> comes through.
>>
>> To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches. Worried
>> about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under them while
>> exercising... Patches suck.
>
> If you are also on an antidepressant, don't forget what happened to
> Anna Nicole's son. He was on two antidepressants and was taking
> methadone. I take Vic for pain, one every other day usually,( and
> Paxil every day) but I think I need the narcotic more than the Tylenol
> in it, but if I tell the doctor that, he just stares like I'm some
> street person dealing, so I can't experiment to find the ideal thing.
>
thats fucked up and part of mentality thats wrong today
the sobs almost killed me with vicodan as a primary pain med, it about took
my liver out
boy i'll never forget that
finally a relative who's a nurse stepped in and i went on a low dose of
oxycontin cr twice a day

"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4pcgegFi4u87U1@individual.net...
> justabeing wrote:
>> "Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4pcg04Fic37oU1@individual.net...
>>> Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company wants
>>> an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance program
>>> comes through.
>>>
>>> To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches. Worried
>>> about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under them while
>>> exercising... Patches suck.
>>
>> methadone is CHEAP!
>> You shouldn't have any problems whatsoever with assistance
>> Compared to all the other pain meds (especially the schedule IIs), its
>> dirt cheap..........
>> I went on it but it swelled my throat, so they said I was
>> allergic..........I was kinda bummed too because I'd talked to other
>> patients who said it worked really well for them
>>
>> just not for me
>> but i was shocked at how cheap it is
>>
>> justabeing
>
> Yea, that's why I switched to it...CHEAP. 120 10mg pills were just under
> $3.50.

yeah, i was actually a bit shocked when I priced it, I can't understand how
it can be sooo cheap when the others are soooo expensive

Boo!shka wrote:
> Franz Bestuchev wrote:
>> Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company wants
>> an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance program
>> comes through.
>>
>> To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches. Worried
>> about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under them while
>> exercising... Patches suck.
>
> If you are also on an antidepressant, don't forget what happened to
> Anna Nicole's son. He was on two antidepressants and was taking
> methadone. I take Vic for pain, one every other day usually,( and
> Paxil every day) but I think I need the narcotic more than the Tylenol
> in it, but if I tell the doctor that, he just stares like I'm some
> street person dealing, so I can't experiment to find the ideal thing.
>

Don't worry about my batting average, I always make hits.

In message <z%7Yg.22633$Ij.4954@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> , justabeing
<just.a.being@gmail.com> writes
>"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4pcgegFi4u87U1@individual.net...
>> justabeing wrote:
>>> "Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4pcg04Fic37oU1@individual.net...
>>>> Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company wants
>>>> an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance program
>>>> comes through.
>>>>
>>>> To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches. Worried
>>>> about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under them while
>>>> exercising... Patches suck.
>>>
>>> methadone is CHEAP!
>>> You shouldn't have any problems whatsoever with assistance
>>> Compared to all the other pain meds (especially the schedule IIs), its
>>> dirt cheap..........
>>> I went on it but it swelled my throat, so they said I was
>>> allergic..........I was kinda bummed too because I'd talked to other
>>> patients who said it worked really well for them
>>>
>>> just not for me
>>> but i was shocked at how cheap it is
>>>
>>> justabeing
>>
>> Yea, that's why I switched to it...CHEAP. 120 10mg pills were just under
>> $3.50.
>
>yeah, i was actually a bit shocked when I priced it, I can't understand how
>it can be sooo cheap when the others are soooo expensive

It's generic, for a start.

--
The opinions given above may be mine. They might also
just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?

"Alan Harding" <Alan@harding.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In message <z%7Yg.22633$Ij.4954@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> , justabeing
> <just.a.being@gmail.com> writes
>>"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:4pcgegFi4u87U1@individual.net...
>>> justabeing wrote:
>>>> "Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4pcg04Fic37oU1@individual.net...
>>>>> Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company
>>>>> wants
>>>>> an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance program
>>>>> comes through.
>>>>>
>>>>> To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches.
>>>>> Worried
>>>>> about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under them while
>>>>> exercising... Patches suck.
>>>>
>>>> methadone is CHEAP!
>>>> You shouldn't have any problems whatsoever with assistance
>>>> Compared to all the other pain meds (especially the schedule IIs), its
>>>> dirt cheap..........
>>>> I went on it but it swelled my throat, so they said I was
>>>> allergic..........I was kinda bummed too because I'd talked to other
>>>> patients who said it worked really well for them
>>>>
>>>> just not for me
>>>> but i was shocked at how cheap it is
>>>>
>>>> justabeing
>>>
>>> Yea, that's why I switched to it...CHEAP. 120 10mg pills were just under
>>> $3.50.
>>
>>yeah, i was actually a bit shocked when I priced it, I can't understand
>>how
>>it can be sooo cheap when the others are soooo expensive
>
> It's generic, for a start.
>
>
yes but for instance the generic of my old pain med wasn't really all that
much less.........
welcome to the modern world eh

justabeing wrote:
> "Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4pcgegFi4u87U1@individual.net...
>> justabeing wrote:
>>> "Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4pcg04Fic37oU1@individual.net...
>>>> Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company wants
>>>> an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance program
>>>> comes through.
>>>>
>>>> To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches. Worried
>>>> about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under them while
>>>> exercising... Patches suck.
>>> methadone is CHEAP!
>>> You shouldn't have any problems whatsoever with assistance
>>> Compared to all the other pain meds (especially the schedule IIs), its
>>> dirt cheap..........
>>> I went on it but it swelled my throat, so they said I was
>>> allergic..........I was kinda bummed too because I'd talked to other
>>> patients who said it worked really well for them
>>>
>>> just not for me
>>> but i was shocked at how cheap it is
>>>
>>> justabeing
>> Yea, that's why I switched to it...CHEAP. 120 10mg pills were just under
>> $3.50.
>
> yeah, i was actually a bit shocked when I priced it, I can't understand how
> it can be sooo cheap when the others are soooo expensive
>
>

Because we stole the formula from the Germans after WW2!!

Bwahahahaha!

Alan Harding wrote:
> In message <z%7Yg.22633$Ij.4954@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> , justabeing
> <just.a.being@gmail.com> writes
>> "Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4pcgegFi4u87U1@individual.net...
>>> justabeing wrote:
>>>> "Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4pcg04Fic37oU1@individual.net...
>>>>> Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company
>>>>> wants
>>>>> an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance program
>>>>> comes through.
>>>>>
>>>>> To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches.
>>>>> Worried
>>>>> about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under them while
>>>>> exercising... Patches suck.
>>>>
>>>> methadone is CHEAP!
>>>> You shouldn't have any problems whatsoever with assistance
>>>> Compared to all the other pain meds (especially the schedule IIs), its
>>>> dirt cheap..........
>>>> I went on it but it swelled my throat, so they said I was
>>>> allergic..........I was kinda bummed too because I'd talked to other
>>>> patients who said it worked really well for them
>>>>
>>>> just not for me
>>>> but i was shocked at how cheap it is
>>>>
>>>> justabeing
>>>
>>> Yea, that's why I switched to it...CHEAP. 120 10mg pills were just under
>>> $3.50.
>>
>> yeah, i was actually a bit shocked when I priced it, I can't
>> understand how
>> it can be sooo cheap when the others are soooo expensive
>
> It's generic, for a start.
>

The difference between brand name duragesic fentanyl and generic
fentanyl patches is $100...that is to say...~$500 or ~$600/month.

"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4pdr91Figoo5U2@individual.net...
> justabeing wrote:
>> "Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4pcgegFi4u87U1@individual.net...
>>> justabeing wrote:
>>>> "Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4pcg04Fic37oU1@individual.net...
>>>>> Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company
>>>>> wants an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance
>>>>> program comes through.
>>>>>
>>>>> To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches.
>>>>> Worried about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under them
>>>>> while exercising... Patches suck.
>>>> methadone is CHEAP!
>>>> You shouldn't have any problems whatsoever with assistance
>>>> Compared to all the other pain meds (especially the schedule IIs), its
>>>> dirt cheap..........
>>>> I went on it but it swelled my throat, so they said I was
>>>> allergic..........I was kinda bummed too because I'd talked to other
>>>> patients who said it worked really well for them
>>>>
>>>> just not for me
>>>> but i was shocked at how cheap it is
>>>>
>>>> justabeing
>>> Yea, that's why I switched to it...CHEAP. 120 10mg pills were just under
>>> $3.50.
>>
>> yeah, i was actually a bit shocked when I priced it, I can't understand
>> how it can be sooo cheap when the others are soooo expensive
>
> Because we stole the formula from the Germans after WW2!!
>
> Bwahahahaha!

>bg<

justabeing wrote:
> "Boo!shka" <carollombard@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1160842096.094270.176650@k70g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> Franz Bestuchev wrote:
>>> Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company wants
>>> an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance program
>>> comes through.
>>>
>>> To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches. Worried
>>> about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under them while
>>> exercising... Patches suck.
>> If you are also on an antidepressant, don't forget what happened to
>> Anna Nicole's son. He was on two antidepressants and was taking
>> methadone. I take Vic for pain, one every other day usually,( and
>> Paxil every day) but I think I need the narcotic more than the Tylenol
>> in it, but if I tell the doctor that, he just stares like I'm some
>> street person dealing, so I can't experiment to find the ideal thing.
>>
> thats fucked up and part of mentality thats wrong today
> the sobs almost killed me with vicodan as a primary pain med, it about took
> my liver out
> boy i'll never forget that
> finally a relative who's a nurse stepped in and i went on a low dose of
> oxycontin cr twice a day
>
>

http://web.archive.org/web/200104050...aterworld.com/

Cold water extraction. Hydrocodone/opiates and such are *very* water
soluble and tylenol is much less so. Crush up your pills mix in water
and chill. You'll see the APAP begin to crystalize out of the solution
as it gets colder (but NEVER frozen). Use something like a zip-lock bag
and then you can put a small nick in the corner to get a thin stream
from the bag and pinch it off when the flotsam starts getting to the bottom.

Reuse your old stuff, like 2nd round tea leaves, to seed a quicker
crystallization and to ensure maximum extraction.

Since you're working with a known quantity of pills that's going to be
the dose of the (now nasty tasting) liquid that is sans tylenol.

It's almost evil the way they use tylenol. It doesn't stop abuse, it
doesn't stop concurrent use with alcohol (double whammy)... Just sort of
a "they deserve it" kind of attitude.

"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4pds0kFi6cp9U1@individual.net...
> justabeing wrote:
>> "Boo!shka" <carollombard@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1160842096.094270.176650@k70g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>> Franz Bestuchev wrote:
>>>> Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company
>>>> wants
>>>> an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance program
>>>> comes through.
>>>>
>>>> To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches.
>>>> Worried
>>>> about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under them while
>>>> exercising... Patches suck.
>>> If you are also on an antidepressant, don't forget what happened to
>>> Anna Nicole's son. He was on two antidepressants and was taking
>>> methadone. I take Vic for pain, one every other day usually,( and
>>> Paxil every day) but I think I need the narcotic more than the Tylenol
>>> in it, but if I tell the doctor that, he just stares like I'm some
>>> street person dealing, so I can't experiment to find the ideal thing.
>>>
>> thats fucked up and part of mentality thats wrong today
>> the sobs almost killed me with vicodan as a primary pain med, it about
>> took my liver out
>> boy i'll never forget that
>> finally a relative who's a nurse stepped in and i went on a low dose of
>> oxycontin cr twice a day
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/200104050...aterworld.com/
>
> Cold water extraction. Hydrocodone/opiates and such are *very* water
> soluble and tylenol is much less so. Crush up your pills mix in water and
> chill. You'll see the APAP begin to crystalize out of the solution as it
> gets colder (but NEVER frozen). Use something like a zip-lock bag and then
> you can put a small nick in the corner to get a thin stream from the bag
> and pinch it off when the flotsam starts getting to the bottom.
>
> Reuse your old stuff, like 2nd round tea leaves, to seed a quicker
> crystallization and to ensure maximum extraction.
>
> Since you're working with a known quantity of pills that's going to be the
> dose of the (now nasty tasting) liquid that is sans tylenol.
>
> It's almost evil the way they use tylenol. It doesn't stop abuse, it
> doesn't stop concurrent use with alcohol (double whammy)... Just sort of a
> "they deserve it" kind of attitude.

yeah i agree
that stuffs some nasty shit alright
and its not even anti-inflammatory

"justabeing" <just.a.being@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4pdr91Figoo5U2@individual.net...
> > justabeing wrote:
> >> "Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4pcgegFi4u87U1@individual.net...
> >>> justabeing wrote:
> >>>> "Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:4pcg04Fic37oU1@individual.net...
> >>>>> Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company
> >>>>> wants an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance
> >>>>> program comes through.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches.
> >>>>> Worried about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under
them
> >>>>> while exercising... Patches suck.
> >>>> methadone is CHEAP!
> >>>> You shouldn't have any problems whatsoever with assistance
> >>>> Compared to all the other pain meds (especially the schedule IIs),
its
> >>>> dirt cheap..........
> >>>> I went on it but it swelled my throat, so they said I was
> >>>> allergic..........I was kinda bummed too because I'd talked to other
> >>>> patients who said it worked really well for them
> >>>>
> >>>> just not for me
> >>>> but i was shocked at how cheap it is
> >>>>
> >>>> justabeing
> >>> Yea, that's why I switched to it...CHEAP. 120 10mg pills were just
under
> >>> $3.50.
> >>
> >> yeah, i was actually a bit shocked when I priced it, I can't understand
> >> how it can be sooo cheap when the others are soooo expensive
> >
> > Because we stole the formula from the Germans after WW2!!
> >
> > Bwahahahaha!
>
> >bg<
>
>

life is like that ,
keep working at it ,.
hope you succeeed ,
bg

"Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan Harding wrote:
>> In message <z%7Yg.22633$Ij.4954@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> , justabeing
>> <just.a.being@gmail.com> writes
>>> "Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4pcgegFi4u87U1@individual.net...
>>>> justabeing wrote:
>>>>> "Franz Bestuchev" <franz.bestuchev@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4pcg04Fic37oU1@individual.net...
>>>>>> Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company
>>>>>> wants
>>>>>> an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance program
>>>>>> comes through.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches.
>>>>>> Worried
>>>>>> about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under them while
>>>>>> exercising... Patches suck.
>>>>>
>>>>> methadone is CHEAP!
>>>>> You shouldn't have any problems whatsoever with assistance
>>>>> Compared to all the other pain meds (especially the schedule IIs), its
>>>>> dirt cheap..........
>>>>> I went on it but it swelled my throat, so they said I was
>>>>> allergic..........I was kinda bummed too because I'd talked to other
>>>>> patients who said it worked really well for them
>>>>>
>>>>> just not for me
>>>>> but i was shocked at how cheap it is
>>>>>
>>>>> justabeing
>>>>
>>>> Yea, that's why I switched to it...CHEAP. 120 10mg pills were just
>>>> under
>>>> $3.50.
>>>
>>> yeah, i was actually a bit shocked when I priced it, I can't understand
>>> how
>>> it can be sooo cheap when the others are soooo expensive
>>
>> It's generic, for a start.
>>
>
> The difference between brand name duragesic fentanyl and generic fentanyl
> patches is $100...that is to say...~$500 or ~$600/month.

wow
now thats a big savings
do the generics really work as well ya think though?
I was reading something about this at one of the pain places the other day,
this article said there were differences............

how's it working? I'm still on the kadian and find if I take enough to
relieve the pain effectively all I do is sleep. If I cut back so I'm
awake and functioning I hurt like hell. I can't find a happy medium
with it and I've been on it for almost 3 years so you'd think my
resistance would be high enough it wouldn't sedate me so much.

Methadone has been mentioned as an option instead. I've heard it can
increase energy but also heard that it causes sweet cravings and weight
gain.

good luck with it

Franz Bestuchev wrote:
> Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company wants
> an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance program
> comes through.
>
> To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches. Worried
> about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under them while
> exercising... Patches suck.

sounds like you need to try some new meds til you find the right
one..........
i can't take methadone or morphine
methadone swoll my throat up, and with the morphine, it not only knocked me
goofy (couldn't even stay awake through a half hour of news, was lucky if I
made it 15 minutes), but it made me sick as a dog..........
and it just got worse

back on my old stuff i had pain control without those side-effects

good luck to you justpackrat

justabeing

"justpackrat" <maddie_75@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1160894530.556627.179110@f16g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> how's it working? I'm still on the kadian and find if I take enough to
> relieve the pain effectively all I do is sleep. If I cut back so I'm
> awake and functioning I hurt like hell. I can't find a happy medium
> with it and I've been on it for almost 3 years so you'd think my
> resistance would be high enough it wouldn't sedate me so much.
>
> Methadone has been mentioned as an option instead. I've heard it can
> increase energy but also heard that it causes sweet cravings and weight
> gain.
>
> good luck with it
>
> Franz Bestuchev wrote:
>> Went from fentanyl patches to methadone. The new insurance company wants
>> an arm and a leg for it - we'll see if the patient assistance program
>> comes through.
>>
>> To tell the truth I'm happy not to be bothered with the patches. Worried
>> about bending and mucking up the adhesive. Sweating under them while
>> exercising... Patches suck.
>