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Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video

Watch the Video:
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/MyFox/...1&locale=EN-US


Wednesday, April 02, 2008

A Canadian truck driver drove into oncoming traffic for 20 minutes at high
speeds before dying in a crash when the truck went over an abutment, as seen
on eyewitness video obtained by FOX News.

The truck driver had a medical condition that may have contributed to the
incident, United Press International reported.
In the dramatic video footage of the incident, the truck hits a concrete
guard rail on an exit ramp near Edmonton, Alberta, becoming airborne and
falling onto railroad tracks, before exploding.

The truck clipped several cars and numerous others were forced into a ditch
along the highway, but no one other than the truck's driver was hurt,
according to the UPI report.

The driver, 25-year-old Mark Santos, was an insulin-dependent diabetic, his
brother Jordan Santos told the UPI.
A witness of Monday's afternoon crash described the driver to reporters as
looking "mad," "angry" and "zoned out."
"He was basically slumped down, head down, bobbing around, arms hanging down
at his side," Dave Hybeck told FOX News.

The driver's brother said he's been around his brother when he's gone into
hypoglycemia and Santos would be confused and sleepy.

"You don't know what was going on inside of the cab of that vehicle; you don't
know what that person was thinking, so all of those pieces are what our
officers need to bring this to a conclusion," Edmonton Police spokesperson
Karen Carlson told FOX News.

Autopsy results were expected later in the week.

We let convicted drunk drivers and speeders continue to drive so why
not everyone?

Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> We let convicted drunk drivers and speeders continue to drive so why
> not everyone?

Sure, let's let blind people drive too, jackass.

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 09:25:25 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
<theprof@jonez.net> wrote:
alt.true-crime,can.legal,misc.legal,rec.autos.driving

another cross posting troll.

Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
lowering medications and those around them if they are operating heavy
machinery.

The brain absolutely requires glucose to function normally.

Smarter to eat less, down to the right amount to possibly cure the
type-2 diabetes:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

A simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow


Reality_Check© wrote:
> Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video
>
> Watch the Video:
> http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/MyFox/...1&locale=EN-US
>
>
> Wednesday, April 02, 2008
>
> A Canadian truck driver drove into oncoming traffic for 20 minutes at high
> speeds before dying in a crash when the truck went over an abutment, as seen
> on eyewitness video obtained by FOX News.
>
> The truck driver had a medical condition that may have contributed to the
> incident, United Press International reported.
> In the dramatic video footage of the incident, the truck hits a concrete
> guard rail on an exit ramp near Edmonton, Alberta, becoming airborne and
> falling onto railroad tracks, before exploding.
>
> The truck clipped several cars and numerous others were forced into a ditch
> along the highway, but no one other than the truck's driver was hurt,
> according to the UPI report.
>
> The driver, 25-year-old Mark Santos, was an insulin-dependent diabetic, his
> brother Jordan Santos told the UPI.
> A witness of Monday's afternoon crash described the driver to reporters as
> looking "mad," "angry" and "zoned out."
> "He was basically slumped down, head down, bobbing around, arms hanging down
> at his side," Dave Hybeck told FOX News.
>
> The driver's brother said he's been around his brother when he's gone into
> hypoglycemia and Santos would be confused and sleepy.
>
> "You don't know what was going on inside of the cab of that vehicle; you don't
> know what that person was thinking, so all of those pieces are what our
> officers need to bring this to a conclusion," Edmonton Police spokesperson
> Karen Carlson told FOX News.
>
> Autopsy results were expected later in the week.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
> lowering medications and those around them if they are operating heavy
> machinery.

So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?

>
> The brain absolutely requires glucose to function normally.

So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?


> Smarter to eat less, down to the right amount to possibly cure the
> type-2 diabetes:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?

>
> A simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?

>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?

>
> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Your pathetic god hates diabetics.

>
> Andrew <><



>
> Reality_Check© wrote:
>> Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video
>>
>> Watch the Video:
>> http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/MyFox/...1&locale=EN-US
>>
>>
>> Wednesday, April 02, 2008
>>
>> A Canadian truck driver drove into oncoming traffic for 20 minutes
>> at high speeds before dying in a crash when the truck went over an
>> abutment, as seen on eyewitness video obtained by FOX News.
>>
>> The truck driver had a medical condition that may have contributed
>> to the incident, United Press International reported.
>> In the dramatic video footage of the incident, the truck hits a
>> concrete guard rail on an exit ramp near Edmonton, Alberta, becoming
>> airborne and falling onto railroad tracks, before exploding.
>>
>> The truck clipped several cars and numerous others were forced into
>> a ditch along the highway, but no one other than the truck's driver
>> was hurt, according to the UPI report.
>>
>> The driver, 25-year-old Mark Santos, was an insulin-dependent
>> diabetic, his brother Jordan Santos told the UPI.
>> A witness of Monday's afternoon crash described the driver to
>> reporters as looking "mad," "angry" and "zoned out."
>> "He was basically slumped down, head down, bobbing around, arms
>> hanging down at his side," Dave Hybeck told FOX News.
>>
>> The driver's brother said he's been around his brother when he's
>> gone into hypoglycemia and Santos would be confused and sleepy.
>>
>> "You don't know what was going on inside of the cab of that vehicle;
>> you don't know what that person was thinking, so all of those pieces
>> are what our officers need to bring this to a conclusion," Edmonton
>> Police spokesperson Karen Carlson told FOX News.
>>
>> Autopsy results were expected later in the week.

_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
> > lowering medications and those around them if they are operating heavy
> > machinery.
>
> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?

Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
incapacitating events.

The surest way of preventing hypoglycemia would be by curing the
type-2 diabetes by losing the black fat (VAT). The smartest way of
losing the VAT is by eating less, down to the right amount:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

Again, a simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

> >
> > The brain absolutely requires glucose to function normally.
>
> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>
>
> > Smarter to eat less, down to the right amount to possibly cure the
> > type-2 diabetes:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>
> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>
> >
> > A simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
>
> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>
> >
> > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
> >
> > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
>
> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>
> >
> > Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
> Your pathetic god hates diabetics.
>
> >
> > Andrew <><
>
>
>
> >
> > Reality_Check� wrote:
> >> Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video
> >>
> >> Watch the Video:
> >> http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/MyFox/...1&locale=EN-US
> >>
> >>
> >> Wednesday, April 02, 2008
> >>
> >> A Canadian truck driver drove into oncoming traffic for 20 minutes
> >> at high speeds before dying in a crash when the truck went over an
> >> abutment, as seen on eyewitness video obtained by FOX News.
> >>
> >> The truck driver had a medical condition that may have contributed
> >> to the incident, United Press International reported.
> >> In the dramatic video footage of the incident, the truck hits a
> >> concrete guard rail on an exit ramp near Edmonton, Alberta, becoming
> >> airborne and falling onto railroad tracks, before exploding.
> >>
> >> The truck clipped several cars and numerous others were forced into
> >> a ditch along the highway, but no one other than the truck's driver
> >> was hurt, according to the UPI report.
> >>
> >> The driver, 25-year-old Mark Santos, was an insulin-dependent
> >> diabetic, his brother Jordan Santos told the UPI.
> >> A witness of Monday's afternoon crash described the driver to
> >> reporters as looking "mad," "angry" and "zoned out."
> >> "He was basically slumped down, head down, bobbing around, arms
> >> hanging down at his side," Dave Hybeck told FOX News.
> >>
> >> The driver's brother said he's been around his brother when he's
> >> gone into hypoglycemia and Santos would be confused and sleepy.
> >>
> >> "You don't know what was going on inside of the cab of that vehicle;
> >> you don't know what that person was thinking, so all of those pieces
> >> are what our officers need to bring this to a conclusion," Edmonton
> >> Police spokesperson Karen Carlson told FOX News.
> >>
> >> Autopsy results were expected later in the week.

On Apr 3, 9:25 am, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...@jonez.net> wrote:
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>
> > We let convicted drunk drivers and speeders continue to drive so why
> > not everyone?
>
> Sure, let's let blind people drive too, jackass.

Now that just shows how dumb you are if you think sight is not
essential for driving!!!

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:23:01 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdoc22@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

>_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> > Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
>> > lowering medications and those around them if they are operating heavy
>> > machinery.
>>
>> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>
>Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
>license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
>his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
>incapacitating events.

So let's say the guy had developed cataracts instead of diabetes;
would you also want to wait until he had "frequent episodes" before
you took his license away?

What if the diabetic kills someone with his very first "episode?" Why
do we have to wait for something bad to happen before we yank
someone's license?
--
"Dave's not here, man!"
- Tommy Chong

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 12:02:56 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
<theprof@jonez.net> wrote:

>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
>> lowering medications and those around them if they are operating heavy
>> machinery.
>
>So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>
>>
>> The brain absolutely requires glucose to function normally.
>
>So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>
>
>> Smarter to eat less, down to the right amount to possibly cure the
>> type-2 diabetes:
>>
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>
>So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>
>>
>> A simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding:
>>
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
>
>So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>
>>
>> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
>>
>> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
>
>So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>
>>
>> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
>Your pathetic god hates diabetics.

And shills.
--
"Dave's not here, man!"
- Tommy Chong

Scott in SoCal wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
> >> > lowering medications and those around them if they are operating heavy
> >> > machinery.
> >>
> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
> >
> >Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
> >license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
> >his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
> >incapacitating events.
>
> So let's say the guy had developed cataracts instead of diabetes;
> would you also want to wait until he had "frequent episodes" before
> you took his license away?

The visual impairment from cataracts would be more than frequent in
that it would be constant. Such a person would not pass the required
visual acuity screening to renew their license in the first place.

Truth is simple.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

> So let's say the guy had developed cataracts instead of diabetes;
> would you also want to wait until he had "frequent episodes" before
> you took his license away?
>
> What if the diabetic kills someone with his very first "episode?" Why
> do we have to wait for something bad to happen before we yank
> someone's license?

You sould like Aunt Judy. That argument could be made about anything,
including your Vette.

Where do you draw the line? Seemlingly perfectly healthy 30 year olds
have been known to have strokes or die from an unknown heart problem.
Everyone is at risk, it's just a matter of the risk amount. I have
known people for 15 years that I had no clue had diabetes.

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 7:43:46 -0500, Larry Bud wrote
(in message
<d4bc72c0-f879-4e99-b481-76cd0ec13447@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>):

> Everyone is at risk, it's just a matter of the risk amount.

Warning - Life can be hazardous to your life

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:26:31 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdoc17@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

>Scott in SoCal wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
>> >> > lowering medications and those around them if they are operating heavy
>> >> > machinery.
>> >>
>> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>> >
>> >Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
>> >license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
>> >his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
>> >incapacitating events.
>>
>> So let's say the guy had developed cataracts instead of diabetes;
>> would you also want to wait until he had "frequent episodes" before
>> you took his license away?
>
>The visual impairment from cataracts would be more than frequent in
>that it would be constant. Such a person would not pass the required
>visual acuity screening to renew their license in the first place.

But if they already have the license, they won't have to take a vision
test for years. So this hypothetical driver would have plenty of
opportunity to drive legally - at least until his "episodes" became
"frequent."

>Truth is simple.

That's right. The simple truth is diabetics who can fall into
hypoglycemic comas at unpredictable times should NOT be allowed to
drive.
--
"Dave's not here, man!"
- Tommy Chong

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 05:43:46 -0700 (PDT), Larry Bud
<larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> So let's say the guy had developed cataracts instead of diabetes;
>> would you also want to wait until he had "frequent episodes" before
>> you took his license away?
>>
>> What if the diabetic kills someone with his very first "episode?" Why
>> do we have to wait for something bad to happen before we yank
>> someone's license?
>
>You sould like Aunt Judy.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Occasionally Aunt Judy says
the right thing (for the wrong reason).

>That argument could be made about anything, including your Vette.

A Corvette is not a serious medical condition which could result in
the driver blacking out at unpredictable times.

>Where do you draw the line?

I draw the line at serious medical conditions which could result in a
driver blacking out at unpredictable times.
--
"Dave's not here, man!"
- Tommy Chong

"Scott in SoCal" <scottenaztlan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fidcv3h3rkr8t2ahcrs489d66dlgj3mrrc@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:26:31 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <heartdoc17@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>
>>Scott in SoCal wrote:
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> >_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
>>> >> > lowering medications and those around them if they are operating
>>> >> > heavy
>>> >> > machinery.
>>> >>
>>> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>>> >
>>> >Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
>>> >license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
>>> >his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
>>> >incapacitating events.
>>>
>>> So let's say the guy had developed cataracts instead of diabetes;
>>> would you also want to wait until he had "frequent episodes" before
>>> you took his license away?
>>
>>The visual impairment from cataracts would be more than frequent in
>>that it would be constant. Such a person would not pass the required
>>visual acuity screening to renew their license in the first place.
>
> But if they already have the license, they won't have to take a vision
> test for years. So this hypothetical driver would have plenty of
> opportunity to drive legally - at least until his "episodes" became
> "frequent."
>
>>Truth is simple.
>
> That's right. The simple truth is diabetics who can fall into
> hypoglycemic comas at unpredictable times should NOT be allowed to
> drive.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that many diabetics, especially if they're
the more common type 2, aren't likely to have any hypoglycemic comas.

Scott in SoCal wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >Scott in SoCal wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
> >> >> > lowering medications and those around them if they are operating heavy
> >> >> > machinery.
> >> >>
> >> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
> >> >
> >> >Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
> >> >license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
> >> >his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
> >> >incapacitating events.
> >>
> >> So let's say the guy had developed cataracts instead of diabetes;
> >> would you also want to wait until he had "frequent episodes" before
> >> you took his license away?
> >
> >The visual impairment from cataracts would be more than frequent in
> >that it would be constant. Such a person would not pass the required
> >visual acuity screening to renew their license in the first place.
>
> But if they already have the license, they won't have to take a vision
> test for years. So this hypothetical driver would have plenty of
> opportunity to drive legally...

Not in good conscience however.

> - at least until his "episodes" became
> "frequent."

Again, visual impairment from cataracts would be more than frequent
because this would be constant.

> >Truth is simple.
>
> That's right. The simple truth is diabetics who can fall into
> hypoglycemic comas at unpredictable times should NOT be allowed to
> drive.

That would be your opinion rather than truth as evident by your use of
the word "should."

Again, truth is simple.

It is possible for you to fall into a hypoglycemic coma at any moment
if GOD so wills it.

Therefore, by your own measure, your driver's license (if you have
one) should be revoked.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>> Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
>>> lowering medications and those around them if they are operating
>>> heavy machinery.
>>
>> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>
> Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
> license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
> his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
> incapacitating events.

And how many of these "episodes" does it take to cause a fatal accident?



>
> The surest way of preventing hypoglycemia would be by curing the
> type-2 diabetes by losing the black fat (VAT). The smartest way of
> losing the VAT is by eating less, down to the right amount:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>
> Again, a simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
>
> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
> Andrew <><
>
>>>
>>> The brain absolutely requires glucose to function normally.
>>
>> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>>
>>
>>> Smarter to eat less, down to the right amount to possibly cure the
>>> type-2 diabetes:
>>>
>>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>>
>> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>>
>>>
>>> A simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding:
>>>
>>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
>>
>> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>>
>>>
>>> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
>>>
>>> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
>>
>> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>>
>>>
>>> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>>
>> Your pathetic god hates diabetics.
>>
>>>
>>> Andrew <><
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Reality_Check? wrote:
>>>> Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video
>>>>
>>>> Watch the Video:
>>>> http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/MyFox/...1&locale=EN-US
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wednesday, April 02, 2008
>>>>
>>>> A Canadian truck driver drove into oncoming traffic for 20 minutes
>>>> at high speeds before dying in a crash when the truck went over an
>>>> abutment, as seen on eyewitness video obtained by FOX News.
>>>>
>>>> The truck driver had a medical condition that may have contributed
>>>> to the incident, United Press International reported.
>>>> In the dramatic video footage of the incident, the truck hits a
>>>> concrete guard rail on an exit ramp near Edmonton, Alberta,
>>>> becoming airborne and falling onto railroad tracks, before
>>>> exploding.
>>>>
>>>> The truck clipped several cars and numerous others were forced into
>>>> a ditch along the highway, but no one other than the truck's driver
>>>> was hurt, according to the UPI report.
>>>>
>>>> The driver, 25-year-old Mark Santos, was an insulin-dependent
>>>> diabetic, his brother Jordan Santos told the UPI.
>>>> A witness of Monday's afternoon crash described the driver to
>>>> reporters as looking "mad," "angry" and "zoned out."
>>>> "He was basically slumped down, head down, bobbing around, arms
>>>> hanging down at his side," Dave Hybeck told FOX News.
>>>>
>>>> The driver's brother said he's been around his brother when he's
>>>> gone into hypoglycemia and Santos would be confused and sleepy.
>>>>
>>>> "You don't know what was going on inside of the cab of that
>>>> vehicle; you don't know what that person was thinking, so all of
>>>> those pieces are what our officers need to bring this to a
>>>> conclusion," Edmonton Police spokesperson Karen Carlson told FOX
>>>> News.
>>>>
>>>> Autopsy results were expected later in the week.

_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
> >>> lowering medications and those around them if they are operating
> >>> heavy machinery.
> >>
> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
> >
> > Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
> > license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
> > his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
> > incapacitating events.
>
> And how many of these "episodes" does it take to cause a fatal accident?

That would be knowable only by GOD.

"See you are well again. Now stop sinning or something worse may
happen to you." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Amen.

Thus, it remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

A simple parable given in hopes of promoting understanding:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

>
>
> >
> > The surest way of preventing hypoglycemia would be by curing the
> > type-2 diabetes by losing the black fat (VAT). The smartest way of
> > losing the VAT is by eating less, down to the right amount:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
> >
> > Again, a simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
> >
> > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
> >
> > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
> >
> > Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
> >
> > Andrew <><
> >
> >>>
> >>> The brain absolutely requires glucose to function normally.
> >>
> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
> >>
> >>
> >>> Smarter to eat less, down to the right amount to possibly cure the
> >>> type-2 diabetes:
> >>>
> >>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
> >>
> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
> >>
> >>>
> >>> A simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding:
> >>>
> >>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
> >>
> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
> >>>
> >>> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
> >>
> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
> >>
> >> Your pathetic god hates diabetics.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Andrew <><
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Reality_Check? wrote:
> >>>> Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video
> >>>>
> >>>> Watch the Video:
> >>>> http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/MyFox/...1&locale=EN-US
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Wednesday, April 02, 2008
> >>>>
> >>>> A Canadian truck driver drove into oncoming traffic for 20 minutes
> >>>> at high speeds before dying in a crash when the truck went over an
> >>>> abutment, as seen on eyewitness video obtained by FOX News.
> >>>>
> >>>> The truck driver had a medical condition that may have contributed
> >>>> to the incident, United Press International reported.
> >>>> In the dramatic video footage of the incident, the truck hits a
> >>>> concrete guard rail on an exit ramp near Edmonton, Alberta,
> >>>> becoming airborne and falling onto railroad tracks, before
> >>>> exploding.
> >>>>
> >>>> The truck clipped several cars and numerous others were forced into
> >>>> a ditch along the highway, but no one other than the truck's driver
> >>>> was hurt, according to the UPI report.
> >>>>
> >>>> The driver, 25-year-old Mark Santos, was an insulin-dependent
> >>>> diabetic, his brother Jordan Santos told the UPI.
> >>>> A witness of Monday's afternoon crash described the driver to
> >>>> reporters as looking "mad," "angry" and "zoned out."
> >>>> "He was basically slumped down, head down, bobbing around, arms
> >>>> hanging down at his side," Dave Hybeck told FOX News.
> >>>>
> >>>> The driver's brother said he's been around his brother when he's
> >>>> gone into hypoglycemia and Santos would be confused and sleepy.
> >>>>
> >>>> "You don't know what was going on inside of the cab of that
> >>>> vehicle; you don't know what that person was thinking, so all of
> >>>> those pieces are what our officers need to bring this to a
> >>>> conclusion," Edmonton Police spokesperson Karen Carlson told FOX
> >>>> News.
> >>>>
> >>>> Autopsy results were expected later in the week.

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:16:04 -0500, "Robert Miles"
<robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:

>
>"Scott in SoCal" <scottenaztlan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:fidcv3h3rkr8t2ahcrs489d66dlgj3mrrc@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:26:31 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <heartdoc17@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Scott in SoCal wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>> >_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>>>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
>>>> >> > lowering medications and those around them if they are operating
>>>> >> > heavy
>>>> >> > machinery.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>>>> >
>>>> >Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
>>>> >license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
>>>> >his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
>>>> >incapacitating events.
>>>>
>>>> So let's say the guy had developed cataracts instead of diabetes;
>>>> would you also want to wait until he had "frequent episodes" before
>>>> you took his license away?
>>>
>>>The visual impairment from cataracts would be more than frequent in
>>>that it would be constant. Such a person would not pass the required
>>>visual acuity screening to renew their license in the first place.
>>
>> But if they already have the license, they won't have to take a vision
>> test for years. So this hypothetical driver would have plenty of
>> opportunity to drive legally - at least until his "episodes" became
>> "frequent."
>>
>>>Truth is simple.
>>
>> That's right. The simple truth is diabetics who can fall into
>> hypoglycemic comas at unpredictable times should NOT be allowed to
>> drive.
>
>You seem to be ignoring the fact that many diabetics, especially if they're
>the more common type 2, aren't likely to have any hypoglycemic comas.

Then we aren't talking about those people, are we?
--
"Dave's not here, man!"
- Tommy Chong

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:46:37 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdoc24@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

>Scott in SoCal wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >Scott in SoCal wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
>> >> >> > lowering medications and those around them if they are operating heavy
>> >> >> > machinery.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
>> >> >license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
>> >> >his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
>> >> >incapacitating events.
>> >>
>> >> So let's say the guy had developed cataracts instead of diabetes;
>> >> would you also want to wait until he had "frequent episodes" before
>> >> you took his license away?
>> >
>> >The visual impairment from cataracts would be more than frequent in
>> >that it would be constant. Such a person would not pass the required
>> >visual acuity screening to renew their license in the first place.
>>
>> But if they already have the license, they won't have to take a vision
>> test for years. So this hypothetical driver would have plenty of
>> opportunity to drive legally...
>
>Not in good conscience however.

The same could be said for drivers who are likely to slip into comas,
could it not? Why the double standard?

>> - at least until his "episodes" became "frequent."
>
>Again, visual impairment from cataracts would be more than frequent
>because this would be constant.

So where do you draw the line?

>> >Truth is simple.
>>
>> That's right. The simple truth is diabetics who can fall into
>> hypoglycemic comas at unpredictable times should NOT be allowed to
>> drive.
>
>That would be your opinion rather than truth as evident by your use of
>the word "should."

My opinion holds just as much "truth" as yours does.

>Again, truth is simple.

Yes, it is. People who are a danger to others on the roads due to
their medical conditions should not be permitted to drive. That's the
truth (not to mention the law). This guy's doctor should have filled
out the Canadian equivalent of this form

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/ds/ds326.pdf

and reported him to the DMV and gotten his license yanked. Notice that
Diabetes is specifically listed on this form, indicating that, despite
your OPINION, it is a cause for concern to the folks who actually give
out driver's licenses.

>It is possible for you to fall into a hypoglycemic coma at any moment
>if GOD so wills it.

Oh, and I suppose your fantasies about an invisible man in the sky are
"truth," as well?
--
"Dave's not here, man!"
- Tommy Chong

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:20:16 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdoc22@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

>_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
>> >>> lowering medications and those around them if they are operating
>> >>> heavy machinery.
>> >>
>> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>> >
>> > Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
>> > license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
>> > his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
>> > incapacitating events.
>>
>> And how many of these "episodes" does it take to cause a fatal accident?
>
>That would be knowable only by GOD.

Therefore YOU are not qualified to determine that it is safe for him
to continue to drive. Therefore his license should have been
immediately revoked for the sake of safety.
--
"Dave's not here, man!"
- Tommy Chong

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc22@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:4ac9f145-1945-4871-b483-38449e1f3086@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
>> >>> lowering medications and those around them if they are operating
>> >>> heavy machinery.
>> >>
>> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>> >
>> > Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
>> > license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
>> > his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
>> > incapacitating events.
>>
>> And how many of these "episodes" does it take to cause a fatal accident?
>
> That would be knowable only by GOD.

Which god ?

Scott in SoCal wrote:

> Yes, it is. People who are a danger to others on the roads due to
> their medical conditions should not be permitted to drive. That's the
> truth (not to mention the law). This guy's doctor should have filled
> out the Canadian equivalent of this form
>
> http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/ds/ds326.pdf
>
> and reported him to the DMV and gotten his license yanked. Notice that
> Diabetes is specifically listed on this form, indicating that, despite
> your OPINION, it is a cause for concern to the folks who actually give
> out driver's licenses.


a Semi driver in Alberta MUST have a complete physical exam every year
and get clearance from their Dr before they can renew their
license............ even if their Dr allows them, DMV can refuse the license

i drive a car........ i must have a Medical every year........ the DMV
is reported to every time i have an unconscious hypo or a severe hypo NO
MATTER if i'm driving or NOT....... the DMV has the final say on if i
will get my license (my last unconscious hypo was due to an insulin
change back in 1993)

are you telling me that *I* should not be driving?

i think you are 'over the top' in your opinion about 'potentially could
have a hypo'

ANYONE can have a heart attack at the wheel, and have been in 'good
health' up until that point......... i know........ my uncle died of a
heart attack at the wheel while doing 60MPH and 3 people in the car he
hit died

i guess under that logic YOU shouldn't be driving either?

In article <d4bc72c0-f879-4e99-b481-76cd0ec13447
@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, larrybud2002@yahoo.com says...
> > So let's say the guy had developed cataracts instead of diabetes;
> > would you also want to wait until he had "frequent episodes" before
> > you took his license away?
> >
> > What if the diabetic kills someone with his very first "episode?" Why
> > do we have to wait for something bad to happen before we yank
> > someone's license?
>
> You sould like Aunt Judy. That argument could be made about anything,
> including your Vette.
>
> Where do you draw the line? Seemlingly perfectly healthy 30 year olds
> have been known to have strokes or die from an unknown heart problem.
> Everyone is at risk, it's just a matter of the risk amount. I have
> known people for 15 years that I had no clue had diabetes.
>
The commercial licensing system in Alberta allows drivers with several
medical conditions (diabetes, heart disease, and even epilepsy) as long
as they pass an annual medical and their doctor signs off that they are
medically fit to drive.

See the initial story after the accident:

http://tinyurl.com/4s2da7

Preliminary tests released Thursday, April 3, 2008 indicate that his
blood sugars "appeared to be relatively normal", and diabetes may not
have been the cause of the accident. Detailed toxicology reports will be
available in 3 - 4 months. Welcome to the real world, not TV's C.S.I.,
where tests are back in 10 minutes.

http://tinyurl.com/68jts6

Dennis (Type 2)