A1c and Eyes

Hi All (especially Wendy)

Some time back I was searching for past posts by Chris J on
his eye problem after a fast A1c reduction. Unfortunately he
didn't archive all his posts so I missed the thread.

I just found it again, so this post is mainly to leave the
link to the thread on the record for future reference.

To any newby with a high A1c, just starting treatment, a
browse through this thread is worth your time. The main
message that comes out of it is that anyone in that position
should include a visit to the ophthalmologist as an
essential part of commencing their diabetes treatment.

Timescale in which newbies should get control
http://tinyurl.com/3b7ed2 or
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...4f6bdb98b8ce5a


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Slovenia

In news:nklj63pis2boeua5n0ctpdg9n7iicfn6rb@4ax.com,
Alan S (Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:29:53 GMT) typed:
> Hi All (especially Wendy)
>
> Some time back I was searching for past posts by Chris J on
> his eye problem after a fast A1c reduction. Unfortunately he
> didn't archive all his posts so I missed the thread.
>
> I just found it again, so this post is mainly to leave the
> link to the thread on the record for future reference.
>
> To any newby with a high A1c, just starting treatment, a
> browse through this thread is worth your time. The main
> message that comes out of it is that anyone in that position
> should include a visit to the ophthalmologist as an
> essential part of commencing their diabetes treatment.
>
> Timescale in which newbies should get control
> http://tinyurl.com/3b7ed2 or
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...4f6bdb98b8ce5a

OMG! We are being treated by idiots! That just sucks! You think you are
doing the right thing by listening to them. And here they are causing to
go blind!

You know my ex-wife went blind when a doctor used a laser in her eye for
treatment. Except he accidentally got it in her retina. He said he was
sorry! GEEZ!

GEE DOCTOR, I'M SORRY TOO WHEN I SHOVE THAT LASER UP YOUR...

But I would be in trouble if I did that, now won't I? Double standards?

--
Bill
DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
A1c 11 (4/2007)
Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole

On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 21:20:46 -0500, "BillW50"
<BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>In news:nklj63pis2boeua5n0ctpdg9n7iicfn6rb@4ax.com,
>Alan S (Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:29:53 GMT) typed:
>> Hi All (especially Wendy)
>>
>> Some time back I was searching for past posts by Chris J on
>> his eye problem after a fast A1c reduction. Unfortunately he
>> didn't archive all his posts so I missed the thread.
>>
>> I just found it again, so this post is mainly to leave the
>> link to the thread on the record for future reference.
>>
>> To any newby with a high A1c, just starting treatment, a
>> browse through this thread is worth your time. The main
>> message that comes out of it is that anyone in that position
>> should include a visit to the ophthalmologist as an
>> essential part of commencing their diabetes treatment.
>>
>> Timescale in which newbies should get control
>> http://tinyurl.com/3b7ed2 or
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...4f6bdb98b8ce5a
>
>OMG! We are being treated by idiots! That just sucks! You think you are
>doing the right thing by listening to them. And here they are causing to
>go blind!
>
>You know my ex-wife went blind when a doctor used a laser in her eye for
>treatment. Except he accidentally got it in her retina. He said he was
>sorry! GEEZ!
>
>GEE DOCTOR, I'M SORRY TOO WHEN I SHOVE THAT LASER UP YOUR...
>
>But I would be in trouble if I did that, now won't I? Double standards?

I think you may have misunderstood the message there;
although there were some docs at fault, it's more about
making sure that proper monitoring by an ophtalmologist is
performed at an early stage, especially if A1c is very high
at diagnosis.




Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Slovenia

In news:1t4k635eb0asvl2ho4852ea13c73kpugvv@4ax.com,
Alan S (Sat, 09 Jun 2007 02:44:01 GMT) typed:
> I think you may have misunderstood the message there;
> although there were some docs at fault, it's more about
> making sure that proper monitoring by an ophtalmologist is
> performed at an early stage, especially if A1c is very high
> at diagnosis.

And I read that Chris J did exactly that! And the ophthalmologist told
Chris their eyes are fine. But it didn't matter, did it? And guess what?
I too saw an ophthalmologist and he said the very same thing. In fact,
he said my eyes hasn't changed since 1974.

I was told 15 years ago, if I don't get my diabetes under control, that
I would go blind, lose my legs, have heart trouble, etc. And 15 years
later none of that happened yet. Now if I listened to them 15 years ago,
there is a chance that I would be blind right now. And a chance it still
might happen because I am trying to lower my BG supposedly for my own
good.

I was also told if I lost weight 15 years ago, that there was a very
good chance that my blood pressure would be normal (it has been
borderline all of my life) and that my diabetes would disappear. And I
lost 110 lbs. And what happened? Absolutely nothing!

My doctor put me on two new drugs, said it would be good for me. Within
months, they were taken off of the market for killing people.

You know you can only listen to lies from these people so long and you
just can't believe them anymore! I am dead serious Alan!

--
Bill
DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
A1c 11 (4/2007)
Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole

On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:26:41 -0500, "BillW50"
<BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>In news:1t4k635eb0asvl2ho4852ea13c73kpugvv@4ax.com,
>Alan S (Sat, 09 Jun 2007 02:44:01 GMT) typed:
>> I think you may have misunderstood the message there;
>> although there were some docs at fault, it's more about
>> making sure that proper monitoring by an ophtalmologist is
>> performed at an early stage, especially if A1c is very high
>> at diagnosis.
>
>And I read that Chris J did exactly that! And the ophthalmologist told
>Chris their eyes are fine. But it didn't matter, did it? And guess what?
>I too saw an ophthalmologist and he said the very same thing. In fact,
>he said my eyes hasn't changed since 1974.
>
>I was told 15 years ago, if I don't get my diabetes under control, that
>I would go blind, lose my legs, have heart trouble, etc. And 15 years
>later none of that happened yet. Now if I listened to them 15 years ago,
>there is a chance that I would be blind right now. And a chance it still
>might happen because I am trying to lower my BG supposedly for my own
>good.
>
>I was also told if I lost weight 15 years ago, that there was a very
>good chance that my blood pressure would be normal (it has been
>borderline all of my life) and that my diabetes would disappear. And I
>lost 110 lbs. And what happened? Absolutely nothing!
>
>My doctor put me on two new drugs, said it would be good for me. Within
>months, they were taken off of the market for killing people.
>
>You know you can only listen to lies from these people so long and you
>just can't believe them anymore! I am dead serious Alan!

Bill, we may be part of the same railroad but we're running
on different tracks in slightly different directions.

Hopefully our destinations will be the same - long life and
good health.

Be well,


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Slovenia

Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:
: On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 21:20:46 -0500, "BillW50"
: <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

: >In news:nklj63pis2boeua5n0ctpdg9n7iicfn6rb@4ax.com,
: >Alan S (Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:29:53 GMT) typed:
: >> Hi All (especially Wendy)
: >>
: >> Some time back I was searching for past posts by Chris J on
: >> his eye problem after a fast A1c reduction. Unfortunately he
: >> didn't archive all his posts so I missed the thread.
: >>
: >> I just found it again, so this post is mainly to leave the
: >> link to the thread on the record for future reference.
: >>
: >> To any newby with a high A1c, just starting treatment, a
: >> browse through this thread is worth your time. The main
: >> message that comes out of it is that anyone in that position
: >> should include a visit to the ophthalmologist as an
: >> essential part of commencing their diabetes treatment.
: >>
: >> Timescale in which newbies should get control
: >> http://tinyurl.com/3b7ed2 or
: >> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...4f6bdb98b8ce5a
: >
: >OMG! We are being treated by idiots! That just sucks! You think you are
: >doing the right thing by listening to them. And here they are causing to
: >go blind!
: >
: >You know my ex-wife went blind when a doctor used a laser in her eye for
: >treatment. Except he accidentally got it in her retina. He said he was
: >sorry! GEEZ!
: >
: >GEE DOCTOR, I'M SORRY TOO WHEN I SHOVE THAT LASER UP YOUR...
: >
: >But I would be in trouble if I did that, now won't I? Double standards?

: I think you may have misunderstood the message there;
: although there were some docs at fault, it's more about
: making sure that proper monitoring by an ophtalmologist is
: performed at an early stage, especially if A1c is very high
: at diagnosis.
:
: Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

If you all rremember, ChrisJ had screamignly high bg-like 500 with a
terrible back infection and he went on a practically no carb diet(tofu
and stemed vegetables) and was taking insulin. He dropped so fast that he
was off the insulin in about 5-6 days. We had a very hard time
convincing him to eat something other than the tofu and steamed
vegetables, but he di dlearn over time.

the very rapid drop in his bg's caused his problem, which, accoring to my
macula doctor, is estremely rare. One reason we, as the eye police (Chris
was one of the charter members along with Wll), encourage seeign an
opthamologist ASAP after diagnoses for a fully dilated exam is partly to
fend of this kind of thing. My dotor sayd that getting BGs cown is so
important for the eyes, tht he hesittes to scare patients with the
possibility of this rare condition ChrisJ had, in fear that greater damage
wil be done by maintaining high numbers. One caveat is that when first
diagnosed, don't try to go close to no-carb while on insulin. How do you
gently explin this to a newbie?

Biill-I to lost my central vison as the result of lasering when the Doc
thought I had diabeic macular edema, bu tit was wet macular degeneration
instead so the eye hemmorhaged. As there were not the treatments around 1
0-11 years ago when this happened, I probably, would have lost that focus
anyway. Now I get constant treatments to preserve the vision in my right
eye which now has the same condition (correctly diagnosed, this time).


Wendy

On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:12:16 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com>
wrote:

>Biill-I to lost my central vison as the result of lasering when the Doc
>thought I had diabeic macular edema, bu tit was wet macular degeneration
>instead so the eye hemmorhaged. As there were not the treatments around 1
>0-11 years ago when this happened, I probably, would have lost that focus
>anyway. Now I get constant treatments to preserve the vision in my right
>eye which now has the same condition (correctly diagnosed, this time).
>
>
>Wendy

And I lost my central vision in one eye, possibly because of Avandia.
Who knows? The official dx was "occluded branch retinal artery.

The bottom line is be ultra careful out there... Once it is gone, it
is gone.

Will, T2

In news:f4f8k0$cdt$1@reader2.panix.com,
W. Baker (Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:12:16 +0000) typed:
> If you all rremember, ChrisJ had screamignly high bg-like 500 with a
> terrible back infection and he went on a practically no carb
> diet(tofu and stemed vegetables) and was taking insulin. He dropped
> so fast that he was off the insulin in about 5-6 days. We had a
> very hard time convincing him to eat something other than the tofu
> and steamed vegetables, but he di dlearn over time.
>
> the very rapid drop in his bg's caused his problem, which, accoring
> to my macula doctor, is estremely rare. One reason we, as the eye
> police (Chris was one of the charter members along with Wll),
> encourage seeign an opthamologist ASAP after diagnoses for a fully
> dilated exam is partly to fend of this kind of thing. My dotor sayd
> that getting BGs cown is so important for the eyes, tht he hesittes
> to scare patients with the possibility of this rare condition ChrisJ
> had, in fear that greater damage wil be done by maintaining high
> numbers. One caveat is that when first diagnosed, don't try to go
> close to no-carb while on insulin. How do you gently explin this to
> a newbie?
>
> Biill-I to lost my central vison as the result of lasering when the
> Doc thought I had diabeic macular edema, bu tit was wet macular
> degeneration instead so the eye hemmorhaged. As there were not the
> treatments around 1 0-11 years ago when this happened, I probably,
> would have lost that focus anyway. Now I get constant treatments to
> preserve the vision in my right eye which now has the same condition
> (correctly diagnosed, this time).

Wow Wendy! I had no idea about this. ((((( hugs )))))

--
Bill
DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
A1c 11 (4/2007)
Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole

In news:s0am63dts7l16fdatqfe1rn1stq63hg76f@4ax.com,
Will, T2 (Sat, 09 Jun 2007 18:24:49 -0400) typed:
> And I lost my central vision in one eye, possibly because of Avandia.
> Who knows? The official dx was "occluded branch retinal artery.
>
> The bottom line is be ultra careful out there... Once it is gone, it
> is gone.

That is terrible Will.

--
Bill
DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
A1c 11 (4/2007)
Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole

In news:1t4k635eb0asvl2ho4852ea13c73kpugvv@4ax.com,
Alan S (Sat, 09 Jun 2007 02:44:01 GMT) typed:
> I think you may have misunderstood the message there;
> although there were some docs at fault, it's more about
> making sure that proper monitoring by an ophtalmologist is
> performed at an early stage, especially if A1c is very high
> at diagnosis.

Okay Alan! I was checked out by an ophthalmologist just last month
(because they diagnosed me as a diabetic by the VA) and I was given a
clean bill of health (my eyes are actually the same as it was in 1974).
And I have another appointment to see him in 2009 (like I'll actually
remember that one). And what I would like to know is who's butt I need
to kick if I start having eye trouble because my BG dropped to normal
levels too fast?

--
Bill
DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
A1c 11 (4/2007)
Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
news:466c56c8$0$1350$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
> In news:1t4k635eb0asvl2ho4852ea13c73kpugvv@4ax.com,
> Alan S (Sat, 09 Jun 2007 02:44:01 GMT) typed:
>> I think you may have misunderstood the message there;
>> although there were some docs at fault, it's more about
>> making sure that proper monitoring by an ophtalmologist is
>> performed at an early stage, especially if A1c is very high
>> at diagnosis.
>
> Okay Alan! I was checked out by an ophthalmologist just last month
> (because they diagnosed me as a diabetic by the VA) and I was given a
> clean bill of health (my eyes are actually the same as it was in 1974).
> And I have another appointment to see him in 2009 (like I'll actually
> remember that one). And what I would like to know is who's butt I need to
> kick if I start having eye trouble because my BG dropped to normal levels
> too fast?
>
> --
> Bill
> DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
> 7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
> A1c 11 (4/2007)
> Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole

Bill, I don't know anything about potential problems with BG dropping too
fast. However, I don't think you should wait two years for another
appointment with the ophthalmologist. My ophthalmologist recommends that
diabetics should be checked at least once a year, and that seems to fit with
what I have read elsewhere. Were you checked for any signs of diabetic
retinopathy while you were there?

MaryL

In news:yKZai.95854$vE1.8867@newsfe24.lga,
MaryL (Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:07:45 -0500) typed:
> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
> news:466c56c8$0$1350$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
>> In news:1t4k635eb0asvl2ho4852ea13c73kpugvv@4ax.com,
>> Alan S (Sat, 09 Jun 2007 02:44:01 GMT) typed:
>>> I think you may have misunderstood the message there;
>>> although there were some docs at fault, it's more about
>>> making sure that proper monitoring by an ophtalmologist is
>>> performed at an early stage, especially if A1c is very high
>>> at diagnosis.
>>
>> Okay Alan! I was checked out by an ophthalmologist just last month
>> (because they diagnosed me as a diabetic by the VA) and I was given a
>> clean bill of health (my eyes are actually the same as it was in
>> 1974). And I have another appointment to see him in 2009 (like I'll
>> actually remember that one). And what I would like to know is who's
>> butt I need to kick if I start having eye trouble because my BG
>> dropped to normal levels too fast?
>
> Bill, I don't know anything about potential problems with BG dropping
> too fast. However, I don't think you should wait two years for
> another appointment with the ophthalmologist. My ophthalmologist
> recommends that diabetics should be checked at least once a year, and
> that seems to fit with what I have read elsewhere. Were you checked
> for any signs of diabetic retinopathy while you were there?
>
> MaryL

I totally agree with you Mary. Well they put 3 type of different drops
in my eyes (one of them dilates them -- and boy do mine ever do) and did
things like checked the pressure, looked into of the eyes, etc. Is that
signs for diabetic retinopathy?

--
Bill
DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
A1c 11 (4/2007)
Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:15:13 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>I totally agree with you Mary. Well they put 3 type of different drops
>in my eyes (one of them dilates them -- and boy do mine ever do) and did
>things like checked the pressure, looked into of the eyes, etc. Is that
>signs for diabetic retinopathy?

The best check is digital piccies - and an expert who knows how to
interpret them. Annually is very important, so they can catch early
changes. Please don't leave it to 2009!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25

In news:vhso6313rgotc89am3u68cq61ak1959ufh@4ax.com,
Nicky (Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:52:01 +0100) typed:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:15:13 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>> I totally agree with you Mary. Well they put 3 type of different
>> drops in my eyes (one of them dilates them -- and boy do mine ever
>> do) and did things like checked the pressure, looked into of the
>> eyes, etc. Is that signs for diabetic retinopathy?
>
> The best check is digital piccies - and an expert who knows how to
> interpret them. Annually is very important, so they can catch early
> changes. Please don't leave it to 2009!

I don't even know what digital piccies means. I guess it is something I
can Google. And okay, I'll change my appointment and bump it up a year.


--
Bill
DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
A1c 11 (4/2007)
Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole

"Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:vhso6313rgotc89am3u68cq61ak1959ufh@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:15:13 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>>I totally agree with you Mary. Well they put 3 type of different drops
>>in my eyes (one of them dilates them -- and boy do mine ever do) and did
>>things like checked the pressure, looked into of the eyes, etc. Is that
>>signs for diabetic retinopathy?
>
> The best check is digital piccies - and an expert who knows how to
> interpret them. Annually is very important, so they can catch early
> changes. Please don't leave it to 2009!
>
> Nicky.
> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25

Exactly. Your ophtalmologist should take digital pictures of your eyes (it
will actually be taking pictures of the interior of the eye), and it's best
if this is started *before* any problems arise because that will create a
baseline. Moreover, it should be done annually so problems can be detected
before too much damage is done. If your ophtalmologist does not do that, I
suggest that you consider a change in eye doctors.

I have some of these digital records going back many years before I was
diagnosed with diabetes because I have a strong family history of glaucoma,
and I have had increasing pressure in my eyes. However, she didn't start
annual photos until after diabetes reared its ugly head.

MaryL

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
news:466c7e2e$0$1344$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
> In news:vhso6313rgotc89am3u68cq61ak1959ufh@4ax.com,
> Nicky (Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:52:01 +0100) typed:
>> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:15:13 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>>
>>> I totally agree with you Mary. Well they put 3 type of different
>>> drops in my eyes (one of them dilates them -- and boy do mine ever
>>> do) and did things like checked the pressure, looked into of the
>>> eyes, etc. Is that signs for diabetic retinopathy?
>>
>> The best check is digital piccies - and an expert who knows how to
>> interpret them. Annually is very important, so they can catch early
>> changes. Please don't leave it to 2009!
>
> I don't even know what digital piccies means. I guess it is something I
> can Google. And okay, I'll change my appointment and bump it up a year.
>
> --
> Bill
> DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
> 7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
> A1c 11 (4/2007)
> Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole

He's talking about digital pictures/images. They are pictures taken of the
interior of the eye and can show early signs of damage. My insurance pays
for the full cost, but you might want to inquire because otherwise it can be
costly (but important).

MaryL

In news:nK%ai.36916$gM1.14744@newsfe21.lga,
MaryL (Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:24:06 -0500) typed:
> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
> news:466c7e2e$0$1344$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
>> In news:vhso6313rgotc89am3u68cq61ak1959ufh@4ax.com,
>> Nicky (Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:52:01 +0100) typed:
>>> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:15:13 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I totally agree with you Mary. Well they put 3 type of different
>>>> drops in my eyes (one of them dilates them -- and boy do mine ever
>>>> do) and did things like checked the pressure, looked into of the
>>>> eyes, etc. Is that signs for diabetic retinopathy?
>>>
>>> The best check is digital piccies - and an expert who knows how to
>>> interpret them. Annually is very important, so they can catch early
>>> changes. Please don't leave it to 2009!
>>
>> I don't even know what digital piccies means. I guess it is
>> something I can Google. And okay, I'll change my appointment and
>> bump it up a year.
>
> He's talking about digital pictures/images. They are pictures taken
> of the interior of the eye and can show early signs of damage. My
> insurance pays for the full cost, but you might want to inquire
> because otherwise it can be costly (but important).
>
> MaryL

Hi Mary! Oh okay. I'll check that out! Thanks!

--
Bill
DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
A1c 11 (4/2007)
Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole

BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
> In news:1t4k635eb0asvl2ho4852ea13c73kpugvv@4ax.com,
> Alan S (Sat, 09 Jun 2007 02:44:01 GMT) typed:
>> I think you may have misunderstood the message there;
>> although there were some docs at fault, it's more about
>> making sure that proper monitoring by an ophtalmologist is
>> performed at an early stage, especially if A1c is very high
>> at diagnosis.

> Okay Alan! I was checked out by an ophthalmologist just last month
> (because they diagnosed me as a diabetic by the VA) and I was given a
> clean bill of health (my eyes are actually the same as it was in 1974).
> And I have another appointment to see him in 2009 (like I'll actually
> remember that one). And what I would like to know is who's butt I need
> to kick if I start having eye trouble because my BG dropped to normal
> levels too fast?

Generally speaking it seems that pretty forceful medical intervention
is required to drop BG levels fast enough to be damaging. It's also
the case that in this imperfect world sometimes shit happens and it's
nobody's fault. Don't forget that lawyers stand to make money out of
persuading you that it is someone's fault, and their vision is
occasionally biassed by greed.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

In news:5d4en4F3226s8U2@mid.individual.net,
Chris Malcolm (11 Jun 2007 08:16:36 GMT) typed:
> BillW50 <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>> In news:1t4k635eb0asvl2ho4852ea13c73kpugvv@4ax.com,
>> Alan S (Sat, 09 Jun 2007 02:44:01 GMT) typed:
>>> I think you may have misunderstood the message there;
>>> although there were some docs at fault, it's more about
>>> making sure that proper monitoring by an ophtalmologist is
>>> performed at an early stage, especially if A1c is very high
>>> at diagnosis.
>
>> Okay Alan! I was checked out by an ophthalmologist just last month
>> (because they diagnosed me as a diabetic by the VA) and I was given a
>> clean bill of health (my eyes are actually the same as it was in
>> 1974). And I have another appointment to see him in 2009 (like I'll
>> actually remember that one). And what I would like to know is who's
>> butt I need to kick if I start having eye trouble because my BG
>> dropped to normal levels too fast?
>
> Generally speaking it seems that pretty forceful medical intervention
> is required to drop BG levels fast enough to be damaging.

Which I believe is the norm actually Chris.

> It's also the case that in this imperfect world sometimes shit
> happens and it's nobody's fault.

I don't buy that one! It is always somebody's fault. Take the people who
claims to know who are diabetics and who are not. Supposedly these are
the leading experts in the medical field. I simply believe they are
simply guessing and they really don't know. And I think as an
non-expert, I can tell better who is a diabetic better than they can.

> Don't forget that lawyers stand to make money out of
> persuading you that it is someone's fault, and their vision is
> occasionally biassed by greed.

Well lawyers and doctors are both pretty low if you ask me.

"I used to think that most MDs were incompetent morons. I was wrong,
they are actually very intelligent and good at what they do which is
make lots of money and get lots of prestige by shoveling enormous
amounts of BS very, very rapidly." -- Daniel Prince

--
Bill
DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
A1c 11 (4/2007)
Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:01:25 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>In news:5d4en4F3226s8U2@mid.individual.net,
>Chris Malcolm (11 Jun 2007 08:16:36 GMT) typed:
>> Generally speaking it seems that pretty forceful medical intervention
>> is required to drop BG levels fast enough to be damaging.
>
>Which I believe is the norm actually Chris.

No, not in this case. Chris J was tipped over into active diabetes by
a massive infected wound on his back; he had some seriously amazing BG
highs at dx, was put on insulin in hospital, then came out and ate
literally nothing but tofu and stir-fry veggies for a while. He
dropped his numbers like a stone, to low-normal numbers in just a
couple of weeks I think, and his eye couldn't cope with the
comparative pressures.

He's a really nice guy, I miss him - and worry about his Mum too : )
If anyone hears from him, please say Hi from me.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25