ADA To Change Thinking On Low Carb Diets?

Just arrived in the "Diabetes in Control" newsletter, which
is supported by Bernstein.

http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/res...ryarticle=5299
"ADA To Change Thinking On Low Carb Diets?
Might it be a reality that the ADA might reduce its
recommendations of getting most of our calories from
carbohydrates? Could it be that they finally recognized that
taking more medications rather then reducing the
carbohydrates may not be the best treatment for patients
with diabetes?

Up to now, the American Diabetes Association, while
admitting that "the best mix of carbohydrate, protein, and
fat appears to vary depending on individual circumstances,"
has been reluctant to recommend significant carbohydrate
restriction for a number of reasons. These include concerns
that the diet is too difficult to follow, and that
increasing fat and protein in the diet may cause health
problems. However, there is new and mounting evidence that a
low-carbohydrate diet can be helpful to Type 2 diabetics in
a variety of ways, including weight loss, reduction of blood
glucose, an often dramatic decrease in triglycerides, and
other health benefits. Additionally, longer-term studies are
so far not showing the ill effects that were feared.

Each year in January, the ADA publishes new dietary and
other treatment guidelines for diabetes, intended to reflect
advances in the scientific understanding of how best to
treat diabetes. Although the final wording of the 2008
document has not been fully decided upon, Dr. Judith
Wylie-Rosett, co-chair of the writing panel for the ADA's
2007 Nutrition Recommendations, has indicated that, "there
is growing recognition that a variety of diets including low
carbohydrate diets, can achieve weight loss. The importance
of controlling carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial
blood glucose is also recognized." Although Dr. Wylie-Rosett
is understandably hesitant to guess at the ADA's exact final
wording for the 2008 update, she does think that it will
reflect the growing indications that low carbohydrate diets
can be helpful some diabetics.

We shall anxiously await the opportunity to read the final
version of the new ADA guidelines in the January 2008 issue
of the journal Diabetes Care."

end quote.

Dr. Wylie-Rosett's comment "The importance of controlling
carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial blood glucose is
also recognized" may not seem dramatic, but it is a
significant change in philosophy for the organisation. One
less brick in the wall.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts

Wow..so what are the "you must eat most of your calories from carbs and
follow the ada at all costs" people gonna do now?

Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated
carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol.

KROM

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jiq7k3trgvi0el3p9sn27jl3m2pqkb2kdf@4ax.com...
> Just arrived in the "Diabetes in Control" newsletter, which
> is supported by Bernstein.
>
> http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/res...ryarticle=5299
> "ADA To Change Thinking On Low Carb Diets?
> Might it be a reality that the ADA might reduce its
> recommendations of getting most of our calories from
> carbohydrates? Could it be that they finally recognized that
> taking more medications rather then reducing the
> carbohydrates may not be the best treatment for patients
> with diabetes?
>
> Up to now, the American Diabetes Association, while
> admitting that "the best mix of carbohydrate, protein, and
> fat appears to vary depending on individual circumstances,"
> has been reluctant to recommend significant carbohydrate
> restriction for a number of reasons. These include concerns
> that the diet is too difficult to follow, and that
> increasing fat and protein in the diet may cause health
> problems. However, there is new and mounting evidence that a
> low-carbohydrate diet can be helpful to Type 2 diabetics in
> a variety of ways, including weight loss, reduction of blood
> glucose, an often dramatic decrease in triglycerides, and
> other health benefits. Additionally, longer-term studies are
> so far not showing the ill effects that were feared.
>
> Each year in January, the ADA publishes new dietary and
> other treatment guidelines for diabetes, intended to reflect
> advances in the scientific understanding of how best to
> treat diabetes. Although the final wording of the 2008
> document has not been fully decided upon, Dr. Judith
> Wylie-Rosett, co-chair of the writing panel for the ADA's
> 2007 Nutrition Recommendations, has indicated that, "there
> is growing recognition that a variety of diets including low
> carbohydrate diets, can achieve weight loss. The importance
> of controlling carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial
> blood glucose is also recognized." Although Dr. Wylie-Rosett
> is understandably hesitant to guess at the ADA's exact final
> wording for the 2008 update, she does think that it will
> reflect the growing indications that low carbohydrate diets
> can be helpful some diabetics.
>
> We shall anxiously await the opportunity to read the final
> version of the new ADA guidelines in the January 2008 issue
> of the journal Diabetes Care."
>
> end quote.
>
> Dr. Wylie-Rosett's comment "The importance of controlling
> carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial blood glucose is
> also recognized" may not seem dramatic, but it is a
> significant change in philosophy for the organisation. One
> less brick in the wall.
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts

krom wrote:
>
> Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated
> carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol.

> "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> Dr. Wylie-Rosett's comment "The importance of controlling
>> carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial blood glucose is
>> also recognized" may not seem dramatic, but it is a
>> significant change in philosophy for the organisation. One
>> less brick in the wall.
>>

So maybe 12 grains of rice will become official dogma.

(- -)
=m=(_)=m=
RodS T2
Australia

>>
>> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
>> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
>> --
>> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
>> Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts
>
>

mmm..12 grains of rice...

Beats my none..lol.

Altho i had some chinese a while ago that had some of wifes rice from her
meal spilled in and i did fine...

I do miss general tso chicken with wgite rice.

Im gonna have to creat a good sub for it..maybe using almond flour to deep
fry the chicken for the crisp coating and make the sauce with splenda...

KROM


"RodS" <fred@fred.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> krom wrote:
>>
>> Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated
>> carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol.
>
>> "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>>> Dr. Wylie-Rosett's comment "The importance of controlling
>>> carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial blood glucose is
>>> also recognized" may not seem dramatic, but it is a
>>> significant change in philosophy for the organisation. One
>>> less brick in the wall.
>>>
>
> So maybe 12 grains of rice will become official dogma.
>
> (- -)
> =m=(_)=m=
> RodS T2
> Australia
>
>>>
>>> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>>> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
>>> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
>>> --
>>> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
>>> Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts
>>

The ADA's dietary advice is to work with a dietitian they dont want newbies
to create a diet based on
what is on their page.
They have for a very long time supported diets ranging from 40% fat way down
to ultra low fat for some people.
they do not believe in the one size fits all that is in many books.
While what is written on their page may some day change. they never said
ALL diabetics should eat 65% carbs but
to work with a dietitian.

also while others here know this but it does not work well in when they do
their finger pointing.
I have always felt diabetics should have a choice between low fat or high
fat diets.
For me tho low carb is not the way to go.


--
Tom

www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com

Chat in peace with other diabetes at the American Diabetes Associations Web
Site.
http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/...esz&redirCnt=1

Information You Can "Trust" From Your American Diabetes Association
www.diabetes.org

Information on Specific Types of Fat.
http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-an...cific-fats.jsp

"krom" <thekromremoveremove@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fi0vv4$f1m$1@aioe.org...
> Wow..so what are the "you must eat most of your calories from carbs and
> follow the ada at all costs" people gonna do now?


I will still recommend newbies work with a dietitian.

>
> Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated
> carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol.

I agree, just because I do better on a diet higher in carbs does not mean I
do not control
the amount I eat. My diet from day 1 has motivated me to become more active
which in the long run
is much better for my body and mind.
Nice troll and you will be happy to know that comments like yours have
always been welcomed
against fellow diabetics that post here. It is also why I strongly
recommend the message boards
at the ADA where all diabetics are welcomed and jokes like this are not. I
still post there but
being I actually have a job I dont have as much time as some others.
Nice troll tho.


--
Tom

www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com

Chat in peace with other diabetes at the American Diabetes Associations Web
Site.
http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/...esz&redirCnt=1

Information You Can "Trust" From Your American Diabetes Association
www.diabetes.org

Information on Specific Types of Fat.
http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-an...cific-fats.jsp



>
> KROM
>
> "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:jiq7k3trgvi0el3p9sn27jl3m2pqkb2kdf@4ax.com...
>> Just arrived in the "Diabetes in Control" newsletter, which
>> is supported by Bernstein.
>>
>> http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/res...ryarticle=5299
>> "ADA To Change Thinking On Low Carb Diets?
>> Might it be a reality that the ADA might reduce its
>> recommendations of getting most of our calories from
>> carbohydrates? Could it be that they finally recognized that
>> taking more medications rather then reducing the
>> carbohydrates may not be the best treatment for patients
>> with diabetes?
>>
>> Up to now, the American Diabetes Association, while
>> admitting that "the best mix of carbohydrate, protein, and
>> fat appears to vary depending on individual circumstances,"
>> has been reluctant to recommend significant carbohydrate
>> restriction for a number of reasons. These include concerns
>> that the diet is too difficult to follow, and that
>> increasing fat and protein in the diet may cause health
>> problems. However, there is new and mounting evidence that a
>> low-carbohydrate diet can be helpful to Type 2 diabetics in
>> a variety of ways, including weight loss, reduction of blood
>> glucose, an often dramatic decrease in triglycerides, and
>> other health benefits. Additionally, longer-term studies are
>> so far not showing the ill effects that were feared.
>>
>> Each year in January, the ADA publishes new dietary and
>> other treatment guidelines for diabetes, intended to reflect
>> advances in the scientific understanding of how best to
>> treat diabetes. Although the final wording of the 2008
>> document has not been fully decided upon, Dr. Judith
>> Wylie-Rosett, co-chair of the writing panel for the ADA's
>> 2007 Nutrition Recommendations, has indicated that, "there
>> is growing recognition that a variety of diets including low
>> carbohydrate diets, can achieve weight loss. The importance
>> of controlling carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial
>> blood glucose is also recognized." Although Dr. Wylie-Rosett
>> is understandably hesitant to guess at the ADA's exact final
>> wording for the 2008 update, she does think that it will
>> reflect the growing indications that low carbohydrate diets
>> can be helpful some diabetics.
>>
>> We shall anxiously await the opportunity to read the final
>> version of the new ADA guidelines in the January 2008 issue
>> of the journal Diabetes Care."
>>
>> end quote.
>>
>> Dr. Wylie-Rosett's comment "The importance of controlling
>> carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial blood glucose is
>> also recognized" may not seem dramatic, but it is a
>> significant change in philosophy for the organisation. One
>> less brick in the wall.
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
>> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
>> --
>> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
>> Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts
>
>

"Gantlet" <Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote in message
news:9PY0j.1395$r81.1040@trndny05...

also this is not the first time this post has been posted. it gets posted
every so often

"Gantlet" <Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote in message
news:CBY0j.1393$r81.899@trndny05...

> For me tho low carb is not the way to go.

Tom, glad you've found what works for you.

How did you control your bg levels when you were
laid up all that time with a bad back ?

cheers

Paul

I can see it now -- I'll be in instant non-compliance.
(not that all the carbs I do eat are, well, "good"!)
<sigh>
bj
(not a low-carber)

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jiq7k3trgvi0el3p9sn27jl3m2pqkb2kdf@4ax.com...
> Just arrived in the "Diabetes in Control" newsletter, which
> is supported by Bernstein.
>
> http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/res...ryarticle=5299
> "ADA To Change Thinking On Low Carb Diets?
> Might it be a reality that the ADA might reduce its
> recommendations of getting most of our calories from
> carbohydrates? Could it be that they finally recognized that
> taking more medications rather then reducing the
> carbohydrates may not be the best treatment for patients
> with diabetes?
>
> Up to now, the American Diabetes Association, while
> admitting that "the best mix of carbohydrate, protein, and
> fat appears to vary depending on individual circumstances,"
> has been reluctant to recommend significant carbohydrate
> restriction for a number of reasons. These include concerns
> that the diet is too difficult to follow, and that
> increasing fat and protein in the diet may cause health
> problems. However, there is new and mounting evidence that a
> low-carbohydrate diet can be helpful to Type 2 diabetics in
> a variety of ways, including weight loss, reduction of blood
> glucose, an often dramatic decrease in triglycerides, and
> other health benefits. Additionally, longer-term studies are
> so far not showing the ill effects that were feared.
>
> Each year in January, the ADA publishes new dietary and
> other treatment guidelines for diabetes, intended to reflect
> advances in the scientific understanding of how best to
> treat diabetes. Although the final wording of the 2008
> document has not been fully decided upon, Dr. Judith
> Wylie-Rosett, co-chair of the writing panel for the ADA's
> 2007 Nutrition Recommendations, has indicated that, "there
> is growing recognition that a variety of diets including low
> carbohydrate diets, can achieve weight loss. The importance
> of controlling carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial
> blood glucose is also recognized." Although Dr. Wylie-Rosett
> is understandably hesitant to guess at the ADA's exact final
> wording for the 2008 update, she does think that it will
> reflect the growing indications that low carbohydrate diets
> can be helpful some diabetics.
>
> We shall anxiously await the opportunity to read the final
> version of the new ADA guidelines in the January 2008 issue
> of the journal Diabetes Care."
>
> end quote.
>
> Dr. Wylie-Rosett's comment "The importance of controlling
> carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial blood glucose is
> also recognized" may not seem dramatic, but it is a
> significant change in philosophy for the organisation. One
> less brick in the wall.
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:26:31 +1100, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

>Just arrived in the "Diabetes in Control" newsletter, which
>is supported by Bernstein.
>
>http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/res...ryarticle=5299
>"ADA To Change Thinking On Low Carb Diets?

Would be v cool if the next wording is a step in the right direction.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Nov 21, 8:13�am, "Gantlet" <T...@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:
> news:fi0vv4$f1m$1@aioe.org...
>
> > Wow..so what are the "you must eat most of your calories from carbs and
> > follow the ada at all costs" people gonna do now?
>
> I will still recommend newbies work with a dietitian.

I do, too. Most people who are newly diagnosed with diabetes know very
little about the disease. It's a complicated one and working with a
professional is key to starting to understand the many lifestyle
changes that someone has to make. A doctor, preferably and endo,
along with a nurtitionist, CDE, and attending some diabetes
groups...in person not on the Internet...will provide a foundation
upon which a newly diagnosed diabetic can build. It's not a disease
where someone learns all they need to know in a couple of months and
then moves on. For me, as with most diabetics, learning about the
disease is an ongoing lifelong "adventure."


> > Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated
> > carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol.
>
> I agree, �just because I do better on a diet higher in carbs does not mean I
> do not control
> the amount I eat. �My diet from day 1 has motivated me to become more active
> which in the long run
> is much better for my body and mind.

Knowing the ADA they won't be so foolish as to give a specific "eat
this many carbs" a day mandate. What really constitutes low carb
anyway? Many people would call what I eat "low carb" but in this
newsgroup I have been labeled an ADA high carber. Whatever changes
they make to their dietary recommendations I would be willing to wager
it won't be anything extreme and it won't be enough to satisfy the low
carb advocates in here or other sites. Hopefully, the ADA will
continue to drive home the point that everyone is different and we
each must work with a professional to determine what our particular
needs are.

> Nice troll and you will be happy to know that comments like yours have
> always been welcomed
> against fellow diabetics that post here. �It is also why I strongly
> recommend the message boards
> at the ADA where all diabetics are welcomed and jokes like this are not. �I
> still post there but
> being I actually have a job I dont have as much time as some others.
> Nice troll tho.

I took the bait in this case because I think so many things about the
ADA get misrepresented or joked about that there needs to be at least
a couple of opinions that are contrary to the majority anti-ADAspeak
that gets posted here. I have no problem with any "side" proclaiming
what they feel is the right approach to diabetes, but in turn I expect
those people to allow an alternate viewpoint.

In my opinion, one change the ADA might consider is separating the
"Weight Loss & Exercise" button on their opening page. Both are
extremely important and shouldn't be lumped together. It dilutes the
importance of each one. But I do like what they have to say about
exercise and how important it is to all diabetics.

My thoughts on a Wednesday.

Kurt

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:25:16 GMT, "Gantlet"
<Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:

>
>"Gantlet" <Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote in message
>news:9PY0j.1395$r81.1040@trndny05...
>
>also this is not the first time this post has been posted. it gets posted
>every so often
>

It was posted for the first time in "Diabetes in Control"
yesterday.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:13:57 GMT, "Gantlet"
<Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:

>It is also why I strongly
>recommend the message boards
>at the ADA where all diabetics are welcomed and jokes like this are not. I
>still post there but
>being I actually have a job I dont have as much time as some others.

You do? I must have missed you. You must use a totally
different style there.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts

"Gantlet" <Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote in message
news:MZY0j.1396$r81.1388@trndny05...
>
> "Gantlet" <Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote in message
> news:9PY0j.1395$r81.1040@trndny05...
>
> also this is not the first time this post has been posted. it gets posted
> every so often

Um...

Oooooookay.

On Nov 21, 5:06 am, "krom" <thekromremoverem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Wow..so what are the "you must eat most of your calories from carbs and
> follow the ada at all costs" people gonna do now?

Eat my carbs, same as before.

>
> Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated
> carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol.

Nope. Enjoy your 5 grams of carbs per day.
>
> KROM
>
> "Alan S" <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:jiq7k3trgvi0el3p9sn27jl3m2pqkb2kdf@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > Just arrived in the "Diabetes in Control" newsletter, which
> > is supported by Bernstein.
>
> >http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/res...ryarticle=5299
> > "ADA To Change Thinking On Low Carb Diets?
> > Might it be a reality that the ADA might reduce its
> > recommendations of getting most of our calories from
> > carbohydrates? Could it be that they finally recognized that
> > taking more medications rather then reducing the
> > carbohydrates may not be the best treatment for patients
> > with diabetes?
>
> > Up to now, the American Diabetes Association, while
> > admitting that "the best mix of carbohydrate, protein, and
> > fat appears to vary depending on individual circumstances,"
> > has been reluctant to recommend significant carbohydrate
> > restriction for a number of reasons. These include concerns
> > that the diet is too difficult to follow, and that
> > increasing fat and protein in the diet may cause health
> > problems. However, there is new and mounting evidence that a
> > low-carbohydrate diet can be helpful to Type 2 diabetics in
> > a variety of ways, including weight loss, reduction of blood
> > glucose, an often dramatic decrease in triglycerides, and
> > other health benefits. Additionally, longer-term studies are
> > so far not showing the ill effects that were feared.
>
> > Each year in January, the ADA publishes new dietary and
> > other treatment guidelines for diabetes, intended to reflect
> > advances in the scientific understanding of how best to
> > treat diabetes. Although the final wording of the 2008
> > document has not been fully decided upon, Dr. Judith
> > Wylie-Rosett, co-chair of the writing panel for the ADA's
> > 2007 Nutrition Recommendations, has indicated that, "there
> > is growing recognition that a variety of diets including low
> > carbohydrate diets, can achieve weight loss. The importance
> > of controlling carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial
> > blood glucose is also recognized." Although Dr. Wylie-Rosett
> > is understandably hesitant to guess at the ADA's exact final
> > wording for the 2008 update, she does think that it will
> > reflect the growing indications that low carbohydrate diets
> > can be helpful some diabetics.
>
> > We shall anxiously await the opportunity to read the final
> > version of the new ADA guidelines in the January 2008 issue
> > of the journal Diabetes Care."
>
> > end quote.
>
> > Dr. Wylie-Rosett's comment "The importance of controlling
> > carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial blood glucose is
> > also recognized" may not seem dramatic, but it is a
> > significant change in philosophy for the organisation. One
> > less brick in the wall.
>
> > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> > d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> > Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> > --
> >http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> > Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Wes Groleau wrote:
> Or that they always advocated
> "never question or criticize the experts."

"He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."


--
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Don't get even -- get odd!

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:59:30 GMT, "Gantlet"
<Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:

>The ADA's dietary advice is to work with a dietitian they dont want newbies
>to create a diet based on
>what is on their page.
>They have for a very long time supported diets ranging from 40% fat way down
>to ultra low fat for some people.
>they do not believe in the one size fits all that is in many books.
>While what is written on their page may some day change. they never said
>ALL diabetics should eat 65% carbs but
>to work with a dietitian.

every dietician I have worked with has always ignored the ADA basic
guidelines and had me work for a diet that did not require me to
increase insulin simply to eat more. Which meant moderate carb
intake.

>
>also while others here know this but it does not work well in when they do
>their finger pointing.
>I have always felt diabetics should have a choice between low fat or high
>fat diets.

since you are not a diabetic dietician, and you have only followed
your wife's diet created for her needs, (by your own admission), your
opinion about what a dietician would say for a diabetic is dubious.

>For me tho low carb is not the way to go.

Good for you, no one is preventing you from following your own
choices.

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krom wrote:
> Wow..so what are the "you must eat most of your calories from carbs and
> follow the ada at all costs" people gonna do now?
>
> Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated
> carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol.

Or that they always advocated
"never question or criticize the experts."

--
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:25:16 GMT, "Gantlet"
<Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:

>
>"Gantlet" <Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote in message
>news:9PY0j.1395$r81.1040@trndny05...
>
>also this is not the first time this post has been posted. it gets posted
>every so often
>

the article posted came from this issue:
Diabetes in Control.com Newsletter
The Newsletter for Professionals in Diabetes Care
"November 21, 2007 - Issue #391

So how and when was it posted before?

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but is morally treasonable to the American public."
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 08:23:24 +1100, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:13:57 GMT, "Gantlet"
><Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:
>
>>It is also why I strongly
>>recommend the message boards
>>at the ADA where all diabetics are welcomed and jokes like this are not. I
>>still post there but
>>being I actually have a job I dont have as much time as some others.
>
>You do? I must have missed you. You must use a totally
>different style there.
>

not to mention a different name. but hiding behind another name after
getting in trouble under a known name is not unusual for sushiboy aka
howmany names now?

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http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/
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http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt

(o ô)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
....Bilbo Baggins


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"RodS" <fred@fred.com> wrote in message
news:INT0j.15446$CN4.4554@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>
>
>
> krom wrote:
>>
>> Well..probably they will claim we are all nuts and they always advocated
>> carb conrol as a way to manage bg...lol.
>
>> "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>>> Dr. Wylie-Rosett's comment "The importance of controlling
>>> carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial blood glucose is
>>> also recognized" may not seem dramatic, but it is a
>>> significant change in philosophy for the organisation. One
>>> less brick in the wall.
>>>
>
> So maybe 12 grains of rice will become official dogma.

12 grains of (brown) rice
11 sips of milk
10 mls of juice
9 bites of oatmeal
8 licks of ice cream
7 grains of sugar
6 grams of potato
5 goldennnnn corns
4 orange segments
3 tater tots
2 quarters of grain bread
and 1 zero-fat diet.

"Gantlet" <Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote in message
news:MZY0j.1396$r81.1388@trndny05...
>
> "Gantlet" <Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote in message
> news:9PY0j.1395$r81.1040@trndny05...
>
> also this is not the first time this post has been posted. it gets posted
> every so often

WTF? The ADA have never, prior to this time, ever made a statement even
remotely like that.

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:35:34 -0500, MÄck©® posted:

<stuff> not relevant to my question.


Mack, please excuse the hijacking of this part of the thread, but
there is an important question I have to ask. Could you have a look at

http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.su...bfd3e8e425f932

If that wraps, try

http://tinyurl.com/18r

or, if you want to preview the target,

http://preview.tinyurl.com/18r

It's a Google Groups search result for a message, seemingly from you,
in the thread entitled "Thermodynamics, again".

On that page, do a search for "On Nov 20, 4:59 pm"

This will take you to a post by Randy, followed by a post from you, in
which a URL is quoted from Randy's message, but is modified, and which
takes you to a porn site.

Thanks.

--
Larry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada.
DX 24 Aug 07. D&E
Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin
Last A1c 8.1 (at DX)

Actually the ADA position on diet and nutrition has been evolving for
a while.

On the ADA's Newly Diagnosed Message Board, in a thread entitled ADA
Recommendations, posted in April, and kept at the top of their
discussion list with a sticky signifying its importance, at
http://tinyurl.com/2rxu64, the ADA came out with ideas not entirely in
tune with the general consensus here at asd, but a lot closer than
ever before. Although they are buying the 130 grams of carbs per day
minimum for brain functioning argument, and they are saying 130 grams
is a minimum, they are also allowing that 26-43% of calories from
carbs is a reasonable approach:

" * Eat a minimum of 130 grams of carbohydrate. ADA does not have
an official recommended range for how much carbohydrate someone should
eat except that the minimum be 130 grams per day. The ranges you see
published are from the National Academy of Sciences, Institute of
Medicine on what is needed to provide optimal nutrition. We use these
ranges as guidance only because our recommendations is to
individualize the range based on factors such as carbohydrate
tolerance, medication, exercise, and triglyceride levels.
As a guideline, 130 grams of carbohydrate is considered a low to
moderate amount of carbohydrate depending on how many calories you
need. For example:
On a 1200 calorie diet, 130 grams of carbohydrate is 43% of
calories
On a 1500 calorie diet, 130 grams of carb is 35% of calories
On a 1800 calorie diet, 130 grams of carb is 29% of calories
On a 2000 calorie diet, 130 grams of carb is 26% of
calories"

That is quite a difference from the last time they published a
percentage a few years back, and before they started saying there is
no one size that fits all. Quite a bit less than saying 50 or 55% of
calories from carbs as a general guideline.

So it should be interesting to see what their 2008 guidelines are--my
guess is that as the article Alan quotes suggests, it will be another
step in the right direction.

Morris


On Nov 21, 12:26 am, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just arrived in the "Diabetes in Control" newsletter, which
> is supported by Bernstein.
>
> http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/res...ryarticle=5299
> "ADA To Change Thinking On Low Carb Diets?
> Might it be a reality that the ADA might reduce its
> recommendations of getting most of our calories from
> carbohydrates? Could it be that they finally recognized that
> taking more medications rather then reducing the
> carbohydrates may not be the best treatment for patients
> with diabetes?
>
> Up to now, the American Diabetes Association, while
> admitting that "the best mix of carbohydrate, protein, and
> fat appears to vary depending on individual circumstances,"
> has been reluctant to recommend significant carbohydrate
> restriction for a number of reasons. These include concerns
> that the diet is too difficult to follow, and that
> increasing fat and protein in the diet may cause health
> problems. However, there is new and mounting evidence that a
> low-carbohydrate diet can be helpful to Type 2 diabetics in
> a variety of ways, including weight loss, reduction of blood
> glucose, an often dramatic decrease in triglycerides, and
> other health benefits. Additionally, longer-term studies are
> so far not showing the ill effects that were feared.
>
> Each year in January, the ADA publishes new dietary and
> other treatment guidelines for diabetes, intended to reflect
> advances in the scientific understanding of how best to
> treat diabetes. Although the final wording of the 2008
> document has not been fully decided upon, Dr. Judith
> Wylie-Rosett, co-chair of the writing panel for the ADA's
> 2007 Nutrition Recommendations, has indicated that, "there
> is growing recognition that a variety of diets including low
> carbohydrate diets, can achieve weight loss. The importance
> of controlling carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial
> blood glucose is also recognized." Although Dr. Wylie-Rosett
> is understandably hesitant to guess at the ADA's exact final
> wording for the 2008 update, she does think that it will
> reflect the growing indications that low carbohydrate diets
> can be helpful some diabetics.
>
> We shall anxiously await the opportunity to read the final
> version of the new ADA guidelines in the January 2008 issue
> of the journal Diabetes Care."
>
> end quote.
>
> Dr. Wylie-Rosett's comment "The importance of controlling
> carbohydrate intake to improve postprandial blood glucose is
> also recognized" may not seem dramatic, but it is a
> significant change in philosophy for the organisation. One
> less brick in the wall.
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:22:59 -0600, Oleg Lego <rat@atatatat.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:35:34 -0500, MÄck©® posted:
>
><stuff> not relevant to my question.
>
>
>Mack, please excuse the hijacking of this part of the thread, but
>there is an important question I have to ask. Could you have a look at
>
>http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.su...bfd3e8e425f932
>
>If that wraps, try
>
>http://tinyurl.com/18r
>
>or, if you want to preview the target,
>
>http://preview.tinyurl.com/18r
>
>It's a Google Groups search result for a message, seemingly from you,
>in the thread entitled "Thermodynamics, again".
>
>On that page, do a search for "On Nov 20, 4:59 pm"
>
>This will take you to a post by Randy, followed by a post from you, in
>which a URL is quoted from Randy's message, but is modified, and which
>takes you to a porn site.
>
>Thanks.

already answered.

the site he posting a link to is a scam site selling a weight loss
book.

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Type 1 since 1975
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http://www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/
http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco"
http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt

(o ô)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
....Bilbo Baggins


DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me
offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate...
..

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:06:33 -0500, MÄck©® posted:

>On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:22:59 -0600, Oleg Lego <rat@atatatat.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:35:34 -0500, MÄck©® posted:
>>
>><stuff> not relevant to my question.
>>
>>
>>Mack, please excuse the hijacking of this part of the thread, but
>>there is an important question I have to ask. Could you have a look at
>>
>>http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.su...bfd3e8e425f932
>>
>>If that wraps, try
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/18r
>>
>>or, if you want to preview the target,
>>
>>http://preview.tinyurl.com/18r
>>
>>It's a Google Groups search result for a message, seemingly from you,
>>in the thread entitled "Thermodynamics, again".
>>
>>On that page, do a search for "On Nov 20, 4:59 pm"
>>
>>This will take you to a post by Randy, followed by a post from you, in
>>which a URL is quoted from Randy's message, but is modified, and which
>>takes you to a porn site.
>>
>>Thanks.
>
>already answered.
>
>the site he posting a link to is a scam site selling a weight loss
>book.

Fine, but the way to counter that is to tell folks it's a scam, not to
change the URL to a porn site index.

You disappoint me, Mack. You really do. I thought you were better than
that.


--
Larry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada.
DX 24 Aug 07. D&E
Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin
Last A1c 8.1 (at DX)

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:24:42 -0600, Oleg Lego <rat@atatatat.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:06:33 -0500, MÄck©® posted:
>
>>On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:22:59 -0600, Oleg Lego <rat@atatatat.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:35:34 -0500, MÄck©® posted:
>>>
>>><stuff> not relevant to my question.
>>>
>>>
>>>Mack, please excuse the hijacking of this part of the thread, but
>>>there is an important question I have to ask. Could you have a look at
>>>
>>>http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.su...bfd3e8e425f932
>>>
>>>If that wraps, try
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/18r
>>>
>>>or, if you want to preview the target,
>>>
>>>http://preview.tinyurl.com/18r
>>>
>>>It's a Google Groups search result for a message, seemingly from you,
>>>in the thread entitled "Thermodynamics, again".
>>>
>>>On that page, do a search for "On Nov 20, 4:59 pm"
>>>
>>>This will take you to a post by Randy, followed by a post from you, in
>>>which a URL is quoted from Randy's message, but is modified, and which
>>>takes you to a porn site.
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>
>>already answered.
>>
>>the site he posting a link to is a scam site selling a weight loss
>>book.
>
>Fine, but the way to counter that is to tell folks it's a scam, not to
>change the URL to a porn site index.
>
>You disappoint me, Mack. You really do. I thought you were better than
>that.


it was not changed to a porn site index. that is how your pc software
is interpreting it when trying find something close enough to the
address. even with the typo it does not come up with anything linking
to porn when I click on it.

jumping to false conclusions and then telling me are disappointed in
me because of action I did not take, doesn't bother me. many people
jump to conclusions without facts.

--
Måck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper
Type 1 since 1975
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
http://www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/
http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco"
http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt

(o ô)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
....Bilbo Baggins


DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me
offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
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